Palestinians kidnapped an Israeli soldier.

Israel responded with overwhelming retaliation.

Hisbollah, with the probable aid of Syria, kidnapped two Israeli soldiers.

The Israeli army penetrated Lebanon as far as within ten miles of Beirut.

Israel is calling up reservists.




Is the situation spiraling out of control just as that in Sarajevo did in 1914?


If there is war in the Middle East will it remain a Middle East war or will other countries be drawn into it?

I'm sitting here wondering when the first nuke will be thrown.

It is certainly escalating fast with Lebanon being drawn in through Hizbollah taking 2 soldiers captive. It's not inconcievable that Isreal could strike Syria and Iran.

Israel are surrounded by countries bent on their destruction. It is understandable that Isreal reacts - these new issues are different than Gaza where blowing up power stations seemed to be a pointless and stupid event.

Israel could easily re-occupy Lebanon.

If there is war in the Middle East will it remain a Middle East war or will other countries be drawn into it?
I'm not expecting war just yet, but the US will definitely be drawn into the conflict--we fund Israel and are indirectly responsible for what actions they commit. We can expect Russia and China to get involved if Iran gets it's ugly head into situation. Meanwhile Israelis and Palestinians alike are suffering from the sudden spark in activity.

I'm not expecting war just yet, but the US will definitely be drawn into the conflict--we fund Israel and are indirectly responsible for what actions they commit. We can expect Russia and China to get involved if Iran gets it's ugly head into situation. Meanwhile Israelis and Palestinians alike are suffering from the sudden spark in activity.

Oil, Israel and the US, the three fuses of the middle east.

It depends on whether the Arab governments in the region get involved. I wouldn't bet against war now. I also think that the nightmare scenario involves an Israeli strike against Iran's nuclear facilities, followed by an Iranian intervention with conventional forces in Iraq. This could easily draw the U.S. into a much wider war in the region if Israel were already involved in a war involving Syria. Given the fact that most of the funding for Hezbollah comes from Syria this does not seem unlikely.
Remember that we have considerable naval forces in the Persian Gulf, well within the range of Iran's Silkworm Missiles. Things could get very ugly in a hurry if an aircraft carrier of ours were sunk. Some of the "friendly governments" that are allowing us basing rights could be overthrown. Among the most likely to experience trouble are Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan. The last of these could prove very troublesome for us because they are a nuclear power. If the bombings in India are related to Pakistan, the war could even widen to include India and Pakistan.
This could easily become a world war, not just a regional one. Even a full scale regional war that winds up involving the U.S. would require a lot more troops than we have right now on active duty. The price of oil will also skyrocket, and with it the price of gas.
It will be interesting to see what happens.

Anything is possible and some of the scenario's as Imagineer points out are not very nice.

I doubt that many ME countries really want to get into a face to face conflict with Isreal because they all know that they have no chance against the IDF. Even if they all ganged up together - chances are the IDF would crush them.

If the US got dragged in then it becomes a whole different story. None of the military powers in the ME are even a close match for US military power. 1 carrier group + flights out of Iraq, the UK and the US would be an absolute disaster for them. The US could practically destroy them at will once the air defences were taken out. The ME nations know that a wider war would mean their downfall & be a suicide move.

An overload of emotion is running this situation. Israel takes out Beruit airport & blocks port operations. Hamas threatening to take out Hafia. Who else is going to get involved?

Haifa is bombed by fresh rockets - none injured though. the 2 remaining airfields in Lebanon, both military, are bombed. Hizbollah threatening to take the prisoners into Iran, possibly bringing them into the conflict. This is escalating madly. Wonder how this is going to turn out!

We can expect Russia and China to get involved if Iran gets it's ugly head into situation. . I'm not sure Russia and China would involve themselves military - their alliance with Iran is a marriage of convinience only. No way they would risk military engagement with the US.

Your timeline is incomplete. While you could always draw this back to the creation of Israel heres a little more accurate starrting point.

Palestine hold democratic elections in which Hamas is the winner.

Israel steals Palestines tax revenue in response and draws up plans to invade and arrest members of teh new government.

A few lone militants fire 12 rockets into Israel killing no one.

The Israeli military fires over 6000 rockets into Palistine killing Dozens of people.

The Israeli military kills an entire family on a residential beach, then denys responsibility and the world lets them get away with it.

A few lone militants kidnap one Israeli soilder.

Israel invades Palestine and murders over 60+ people (and counting) using new chemical bullets (of course first bombing Palestine chemical analysis plant so they can't figure out what it is).

....

And theres still a question of where the Israeli soilders were kidnapped from...were they in Lebanon?

Quarter Ton, I agree that the Israeli response, as usual, was out of all proportion to the provocation. In Gaza it seemed Israel was more interested in bringing down the Hamas government that getting the soldier back.

I also am not sure the two soldiers weren't captured in Lebanon. Israel has a history of incursions into Lebanon.

The thread does not deal with who did what to whom vis a vis Israel and its Arab neighbors but with what will be the aftermath of the current situation.

Yes and unfortunatly it looks like its going to be an all out war.

I just didn't want another 'blame the Palestinian/arab/muslim' fest going on. I don't blame you for your wording, after all its all the media can seem to recall of the recent history. I was just point out that this had absolutly nothing to do with '1 kidnaped soilder' as much as any excuse that would have worked. Shit Israel could be hiding the guy in a bunker for all the world knows. They just wanted somehing they could point at and say 'they brought it on themselves.'

But yeah looks like Israel thinks it can take on the entire middle east.

But yeah looks like Israel thinks it can take on the entire middle east.
And perhaps it can - remember the 6-day war? BTW this chemical bullet thing, what is it?

With Bush defending Israel attacks against Lebanon, I only see things getting worse and maybe escalating to a full out war.

Guts guys,chill out a bit,christsake.Before you all start running to your tornado shelters just remember,we've been down this road before,we ended up with mass murder in Beirut,bitter fighting in The Bekaa valley,and the bloody Isreali occupation of Southern Lebanon.Same old answers to the same old problems.

Iran is behind the Hezbollah kidnapping of the two Israeli soldiers. It is more than mere coincidence that the kidnapping took place on the day Iran was to answer in regard to its nuclear program. In addition, Israel now says that a missile was launched by the Iranian Republican Guard stationed in Lebanon and landed in Israel.

I will wait to see that on tv before I respond,cant see it on US or Euro News channels,Frogger.

This is an interactive map showing the sequence of events in the Middle East.



http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/14/world/20060714_MIDEAST_GRAPHIC.html

As of now, I see the situation falling just short of Syria and Iran getting directly involved. I predict that the Lebanese Army will end up directly engaging Israeli forces after the former intensifies its air raids and moves more troops into Lebanon. But with international pressure, a ceasefire will eventually be agreed upon, though Israel will continue to occupy southern Lebanon and continue their campaign against Hezbollah in that region. During all of this, Iran and Syria will build up their forces and be ready for a confrontation with Israel, though such a confrontation will never materialize.

That's all I can see in my crystal ball for now.

I also recently heard that there are 25,000 Americans living in Lebanon. Israel better be careful where they drop their bombs.

Interesting Jester,one imidiate problem I see is that Iran dosent have a border with Isreal,or Syria for that matter.No,youll see something similar to the early 80s.

Syria does have a small border with Israel, but will be more likely to send troops into Lebanon rather than straight into Israel. Iran, not having a border with Israel or Lebanon, would probably deploy their troops to Syria.

But like I said, I don't think it will come to that.

Im sorry Jester,but Iran dosnt have a border with Syria to do this,there would be a small problem of US Turkish and Kurdish Forces to sneek past first.

With Hezbollah threatening to send the captured Israeli soldiers to Iran, according to the BBC broadcast I heard last night, if they succeed in that Israel might well attack Iran through the air. That is also the point of the naval blockade, and the attacks on the airports and roads. Israel doesn't want that happening.
The most likely way for Iran to get involved is the use of either missiles or air power rather than ground troops. Airplanes could transit across Saudi airspace, with the tacit permission of the Saudis. Those could be either combat aircraft, or transport planes carrying troops. Israel could intercept them of course, but the Saudi air force is not a paper tiger. We have provided the Saudis with AWACS planes and very good aircraft. They also have Mirage fighters from France. A lot depends on the position of the Saudis.
Missiles, of course, could be fired without anyone's permission. Iran has missiles with the range to hit Israel. Israel would have to rely on the advanced Patriot missile system we provided them with to try to shoot them down.

[1] If the Isreali soldiers ended up in Iran,Iran would hand the back,whether they wanted to or not,they might be crazy,but they aint stupid.
[2]The Saudis probably hate Iran more than Isreal,so you can rule out anyone Iranian or Israeli trying to use Saudi airspace would be confronted.
[3]Iran wont fire on Israel,see part 2 of 1.

how will iran get troops to syria? plane? we can just shoot down any plane that fly over iraq.

Right Trav,who they gonna book IraqAir.

Maybe Air America.

how will iran get troops to syria? plane? we can just shoot down any plane that fly over iraq.

I agree that they will not fly over Iraq. That is why I postulated a route across the Persian Gulf and into Saudi Airspace. From there they would cross to Syria. If we attack them crossing the Persian Gulf, they would have every right to complain about us. I think combat aircraft would be their likely contribution. Ground troops could not be delivered in signifigant quantity because they don't have the transport capacity. We would most likely share the information that they were moved with Israel.
All this postulation is based on an attack by Israel on Iran. That possibility seems more likely with the attack on the Israeli ship today. The reports I have heard say the ship was hit by a pilotless drone. Four Israeli sailors are missing. Israel must be thinking very hard about how Hezbollah came up with pilotless aircraft. It is likely someone supplied the drones to them, and Iran is high on the suspect list right now.

[1] If the Isreali soldiers ended up in Iran,Iran would hand the back,whether they wanted to or not,they might be crazy,but they aint stupid.

That's pretty much what the initial comments about the 52 American hostages were 27 years ago. Sometimes governments can be stupid.

[2]The Saudis probably hate Iran more than Isreal,so you can rule out anyone Iranian or Israeli trying to use Saudi airspace would be confronted.

The Saudis are not very friendly with the Israelis either. Right now the Israelis are stirring up trouble. The Saudi public, as opposed to the Royal Family, are strongly pro-Palestinian, and anti-Israel. They also are not happy with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The possibility of a coup in Saudi Arabia is not impossible, although I think still unlikely. Every time the monarchs fail to do anything, it strengthens the fundamentalists in their own country.

Looking the other way might seem safer for the Saudi royalty. It would not be overt involvement, just a failure to stop an Iranian action, and because of their oil, we might well pressure Israel not to attack them.

Sometimes the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[3]Iran wont fire on Israel,see part 2 of 1.

If they could be trusted not to fire on Israel, why are we so concerned about their nuclear ambitions.

Iran will not fire on Israel because they have nothing to back it up. If they had nuclear weapons then they would have something to back it up.

Iran's main response should Isreal bomb them or syria would be to export terrorism.

Iran may have already received warheads from North Korea or another friendly state. I sit & wonder about their unwillingness to respond to UN demands until August. What do they hide? Is the current crisis with Israel & Lebanon something more sinister than it appears?

Their probably doing,what Saddam couldnt.Get undergroud facilitys sorted out,just in case The US goes in.

I'm guessing the democrats will volunteer use of their private jets to iran to get troops to syria...

well, it wouldnt suprise me i'll tell you that much.

I'm guessing the democrats will volunteer use of their private jets to iran to get troops to syria...

well, it wouldnt suprise me i'll tell you that much.Sure, right after they kill some babies and pay their tributes to Vladimir Lenin. :rolleyes:

At least 103 people have been killed in Lebanon since Israel began the aggression four days ago. Out of the 103 people killed, 99 have been civilians.

two things have happened, Olmert, because he is new to the job has reacted with overwhelming force rather than look like a patsy and pushover. I don't think Israel expected the counter response from Hezbollah. At first Israel just wanted to get its soldier back but then they decided this would be a good opportunity to cripple Hamas and take down their government. Now that Herzbollah has entered the fray Israel sees this as an opportunity to totally remove them from southern Lebanon. I worry that Israel also sees this as an opportunity to take care of Syria and Iran. Everyone knows how worried about Iran Israel is. Israel also knows the U.S. will not allow Israel to fall. The present situation presents a perfect opportunity to deal with Iran before they develop nuclear capability. I think the scenerio I have presented explains why Israel used force out of all proportion to the provocation offered.

Elp -
Israel 'is using chemical ammunition'
By Duraid Al Baik, Foreign Editor

Dubai: A doctor at a Palestinian hospital has accused Israel of using a type of chemical ammunition which causes burns and injuries in soft tissue and cannot be traced by X-ray.

Chemical or depleted uranium could have been used in producing the new type of ammunition according to Dr Jomaa Al Saqqa, head of the Emergency Unit at Gaza's main medical facility, the Al Shifa Hospital.
http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/06/07/11/10052824.html

And you guys bring up the point I've already repeated here many times. Iraq is directly between Israel and Iran. Should Israel bomb Iran Americans troops would be stuck right in the middle. Do you think Israel would even care?

Oh and as far as Lebenon goes the Israeli soilders were IN LEBANON...they were not kidnapped, they were captured as enemy soilders invading the country.

I heard on the news tonight that the Israelis have said that and elite Iranian force is operating in Lebanon. They said that the Iranians are the ones using the advanced missiles, which were supplied to Iran by China.
Meanwhile, the U.S. is considering how to rescue 25,000 Americans from Lebanon. The planning is being complicated by the attacks on airports and ports. We have a Marine helicopter carrier in the Red Sea, or at least that was it's last reported location.
It looks like this war is rapidly moving in the direction of escalating.

My vote would be that Isreal takes out all Irans nuclear capability. It will save us doing it later because the UN route will go nowhere.

There is 2000 Iranian Revolutionary Guard based in the Bekaa Valley.
On the suggestion that Israel ''takes out all of Irans nuclear capability'',I think that is an option that wont be looked at,until the very end,Israeli airforce could not reach any targets and return,the Iranian border is about 500 miles from Israel,as the crow flies,over Jordan and Iraq,neither of which would agree to such use of its airspace.That leaves the missile option,again,a difficult call,Israeli missiles could reach Iran,then again,that would bring Irans ally,Syria into play,and Syria has missile batterys which can reach anywhere in Israel.So the anti would be raised extremely.That leaves the option that the Israelis are adopting at present,attacking Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon,and South Beirut,and possably the Iranians in the Bekaa valley,tho I havnt heard anything about this on the news.The IDF are now suggesting that these Iranians may have been involved the the attacks on 2 boats off Beirut.

Ideally, Israel would like to attack Syria in order to create bases there that would allow its airforce to reach Iran and return. This is why Iran issued such a strong ultimatum to Israel warning it to not attack Syria.

There is 2000 Iranian Revolutionary Guard based in the Bekaa Valley.


Maybe not.

Iran, meanwhile, denied any role in the fighting, disputing Israeli claims that 100 Iranian soldiers had helped Hezbollah attack an Israeli warship late Friday.

There has been no sign in Lebanon of Iranian Revolutionary Guards for 15 years. But Iran is one of Hezbollah's principal backers along with Syria, providing weapons, money and political support. Many believe Iran and Syria are fueling the battle to show their strength in the region.

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,105699,00.html

the only thing i am going say is world war 3 feels like is going happen. North Korea, Lebanaon, Syria and Iran against the world

the only thing i am going say is world war 3 feels like is going happen. North Korea, Lebanaon, Syria and Iran against the world

Jeez - wonder who will win???? :rolleyes:

Here's a good article from the Sunday, New York Post.

TRAGEDY OF ERRORS

WHAT'S REALLY GONE WRONG IN THE MIDDLE EAST

July 16, 2006 -- THE violence that scorched the Middle East this time didn't result from a sly Iranian plot. It was the product of emotion, miscalculation, impulsiveness and folly. On all sides.
Here's a sound rule in analyzing problems anywhere between Cairo and Karachi: Never ascribe to a calculated strategy what can be blamed on passionate incompetence.

Another iron rule that applies to this and every Israeli attempt to strike back at Islamist terrorists is that, just when the Israeli Defense Forces really start to hurt the enemy, the world community - including the United States - intervenes to save the terrorists from destruction.

Europeans have more sympathy with Iran's nuclear program than they do with Israel's attempts at self-defense. But, then, the only thing continental Europeans regret about the Holocaust is that they didn't get to finish the job. Even as Europe suffers its own attacks by Islamist terrorists, Europeans defend the selfsame terrorists against Israeli retribution.

Meanwhile, the flare-up that began last week resulted from bad judgment on the part of every organization and state involved - as well as producing some spectacularly bad analysis by our herd-like media.

AS soon as Hezbollah commandos snatched two Israeli soldiers from northern Israeli, we were told Iran was behind it. Utterly wrong. That raid was a Hezbollah-conceived copy-cat operation launched impulsively to piggyback on the Hamas seizure of an Israeli soldier in Gaza the week before. The Iranian government was as surprised as anyone.

Iran was dragged into the mess thereafter. But - while President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad is always delighted to give we-will-bury you speeches - Iran's best interests just now are served by avoiding violent confrontations with Israel while Tehran tries to persuade the world that its nuclear program is strictly for peaceful purposes. Iran's fanatics don't just want to capture or kill six Israeli soldiers. They want to kill 6 million Jews.

The Iranians were blindsided, but had to back their clients (as Germany had to back Austria in 1914).

Because it offers an easy sound-bite explanation, journalists consistently misrepresent Iran's degree of control over Hezbollah, insisting that Tehran pulls all the strings. Just not true. Iran's relationship with Hezbollah is a dark mirror image of our own relationship with Israel: We support Israel, providing funds and weapons, and we can influence Israel. But we don't control Israel. Sometimes Israel surprises us - and not always happily.

Iran's in the same situation with Hezbollah.

Despite drawing vital support from Iran and Syria, Hezbollah has its own goals, tactics and internal dynamics. And since it was allowed to defy U.N. resolutions calling for it to disarm in the wake of Israel's withdrawal from southern Lebanon, Hezbollah has been able to build the most-effective and best-motivated Arab military, man-for-man.

BUT Hezbollah got this one wrong. Whoever green- lighted the raid on Israel didn't anticipate the ferocity or scale of the Israeli reaction.

Then the Israelis began to miscalculate - reacting impulsively and emotionally themselves. Attacking Hezbollah was fully justified and necessary, but Israel's frustration with the Lebanese government's toleration of terrorists boiled over into folly. Israeli aircraft attacked Beirut's international airport and other targets around the city, doing both Israel and Lebanon's fragile democracy far more harm than good.

Israel hopes to pressure the Lebanese government into taking action against Hezbollah. But Lebanon's leaders can't do that. If they ordered their work-in-progress military to attack and disarm Hezbollah, some Lebanese Armed Forces units would mutiny, others would disintegrate - and any outfits that attempted to take on Hezbollah would be badly and swiftly defeated. And the action would reignite the country's dormant civil war.

After the Israeli strikes in Beirut, Hezbollah then raised the stakes again by raining rockets down on Israeli cities - making it impossible for Israel to limit its offensive. The global media nonetheless portrayed Israel as the aggressor, highlighting Lebanese casualties, rather than the suffering in Israel.

FOR its part, Israel picked the wrong fight by striking Beirut's infrastructure while its deadly enemies sat comfortably in Damascus.

Israel should've hit Syria. It had nothing to lose and far more to gain. No matter what Israel does and no matter how many concessions Israeli governments make, its enemies prove implacable and the "global community" will condemn it.

Returning Gaza to Palestinian control was a noble attempt at making peace. Fanatics made sure it failed. Likewise, withdrawing from southern Lebanon was a risky attempt at compromise and international cooperation. We've seen the rewards. The heart of the problem beats in Damascus, not Beirut. Israel should've gone for it.

As for world opinion, it's saved the terrorists, time and again. Does any reader believe that the United Nations or more than a handful of its member states would act to save Israel? Israel's in a ceaseless fight for its life, and we, at least, have to stop intervening to save its enemies.

THE situation in the Middle East has no good or clear solution. The struggle will continue beyond our lifetimes (unless, of course, the Iranians get their nukes). This is just the latest round, if a particularly ugly one. The ultimate amount of blood that will be shed is unknowable. But we can be certain that Israel's genocidal enemies will always be saved by the bell.

Ralph Peters' latest book, "Never Quit the Fight," was published last week.

the only thing i am going say is world war 3 feels like is going happen. North Korea, Lebanaon, Syria and Iran against the world
This may be a stupid question but,what do you base your theory on.

Another iron rule that applies to this and every Israeli attempt to strike back at Islamist terrorists is that, just when the Israeli Defense Forces really start to hurt the enemy, the world community - including the United States - intervenes to save the terrorists from destruction. what a condescending peice of shit. The owrld community does not attempt to protect terrorists. It attempts to protect innocent people who would be murdered by greedy assholes who want 'vengence' no matter how many people they kill.

While typing this I can't help but think of the Columbine massacres. Here you have 2 kids who are repetedly picked on by all the other kids at school. Then one day they flip they're lids and going on, what they thought was a fully justified, shooting rampage killing those who made remarks and those they just don't care about as targets. It looks like the same thing on a larger scale.

Israel shouldn't have 'hit' anybody. Israel regularly kidnaps completely innocent people (mush less military targets) from Palistine everyday. You may have noticed that most major media never reported this or the damand for teh release of Palistinian prisoners in exchange for the soldier.

Look at all those dead terrorists...good job Israel
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2006/07/i-have-just-received-these-pictures.html

guerilla, you sound like a broken record. your retarded one sided posts are completely irrelevant in any intelligent discussion about the middle east

The Israelis believe there are Iranians operating in Lebanon, and I guess thats really all that matters. Iranian weapons used by terrorists is one thing, but actual iranian troops is war. If israel and iran go to open war we are obligated to side with israel. I believe Russia has an allliance with Iran, so I suppose we would be a twar with russia at that point.

Then one day they flip they're lids and going on, what they thought was a fully justified, shooting rampage killing those who made remarks and those they just don't care about as targets.

They didn't just flip their lids one day and go on a shooting rampage. They cooly and calmly planned the killings for weeks in advance. They targeted not only those who the felt picked on them but those they didn't like and those who were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.

guerilla, you sound like a broken record. your retarded one sided posts are completely irrelevant in any intelligent discussion about the middle east

The Israelis believe there are Iranians operating in Lebanon, and I guess thats really all that matters. Iranian weapons used by terrorists is one thing, but actual iranian troops is war. If israel and iran go to open war we are obligated to side with israel. I believe Russia has an allliance with Iran, so I suppose we would be a twar with russia at that point.
I'm pretty sure Israel will be able to take care of themselves in such a situation without our help. It would be best for us not to get directly involved, and we definitely don't want a revival of the Cold War on any scale.

I believe Russia has an allliance with Iran, so I suppose we would be a twar with russia at that point.


No way the russians would engage themselves in war with the US over Iran. Russia and Iran has major trading, but no mutual defence agreements. If anything, Russia would supply Iran with weapons and equipment.
And it sounds almost like you wouldn't mind going to war against russia?

What a fuckin stupid thing,if Russia and the US were to go to war it would be the end of civilisation,forget about Iran,Israel,Russia,America or anywhere else.

The air demolitions are preparing the battlefield. The land war should be relatively short and sweet. Hezbollah gets smashed, retreats to syria. iran, unable to support its ally loses lots of face. Militant islam suffers a significant body blow.

The war will continue approxiamately one more week. At the end of that time Israel will have achieved its inititial goals. Hezbollah's infrastructure is about 50% destroyed. Israel would like it to be about 90% destroyed. That destruction should take another week or so.

The problem is, even it its infrastructure is destroyed Iran and Syria will simply rebuild it. Hezbollah is the arm but Syria and Iran are the head.

The problem is, even it its infrastructure is destroyed Iran and Syria will simply rebuild it. Hezbollah is the arm but Syria and Iran are the head.
Is this infrastructure that is going to be destroyed going to make it harder for innocent citizens to live?

Oh, and just because they will rebuild it does not make it OK to destroy it. Hell, the same could have been said for the twin towers. It isn't the buildings themselves but the people in them and the people that would be affected by them being destroyed for any length of time.

Honestly, I haven't been keeping up on this Middle East conflict. However it seems to me that Israel is yet again becoming power hungry and retaliating in an un-justified way. Was this truly sparked over one solider who was kidnapped? If that's the case then they are completely wrong. This reminds me of when they occupied the West Bank and were breaking UN Resolutions. Israel is too power-hungry and their government is in need of complete revamping. But again, I’m not keeping up on this too much. So, please, correct me if I'm wrong.

Honestly, I haven't been keeping up on this Middle East conflict. (Overdose)

Your post makes that obvious. Do a little reading on the subject and get back to us.

Too much fishing in FL,Frogger.

No, but when people make comments and then say, "Well, I'm making these pronouncements but I really don't know much about it.", I get annoyed.

Hm,I thought post 46 was a good read,do you not think the bit about 'continental europeans',was a bit strong.

guerilla, you sound like a broken record. your retarded one sided posts are completely irrelevant in any intelligent discussion about the middle east If by broken record you mean I condemn the murder of any innocents regardless of who is doing it then yes, yes I am. Unlike those who cheer mass murder for one side and condemn the other. Those hypocrites make me sick.

post 46- its a straw man. 1st America is Israels biggest supplier of arms and taxpayers money. If they really wanted to 'stop israel from killing terrorists" they could simply stop giving them the weapons and money to do so. Also no one is concerned about dead terrorists. Even the countries who use and back said terrorists could care less about their death. What the international community wishes to stop is the murder of innocents. The whole article is crap.

Heres an article on some escaped, anti-semitic terrorists talking about their expirience....enjoy
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyid=2006-07-18T183110Z_01_L18218526_RTRUKOT_0_TEXT0.xml&src=071806_1635_TOPSTORY_americans_flee_lebanon

BTW Iran is calling on Hizbolla to stop (even though Israel continues to murder with impugnity)
http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3277624,00.html

No, but when people make comments and then say, "Well, I'm making these pronouncements but I really don't know much about it.", I get annoyed.

I find this rather startling for someone who spent their career in the educational field. OD honestly expressed his lack of expertise in a subject and you get "annoyed"?

My post was, as the Brits say, spot on. Overdose said not once but twice that he didn't know much about what he was talking about. I said that from his post that was obvious (which it was....he didn't even know two more soldiers had been kidnapped). I suggested he read about what was happening and get back to us.

Perhaps I could have couched it in kinder words but the post was accurate.

As for the question about whether I have had a rough day, Yes. I guess I have and on another day I might have chosen my words more carefully.

If by broken record you mean I condemn the murder of any innocents regardless of who is doing it then yes, yes I am. Unlike those who cheer mass murder for one side and condemn the other. Those hypocrites make me sick.



please show me one post in over 3,000 that you have made that condemn in any way palestinian aggression against the jews. you probably have pictures of those black hooded thugs marching around like nazis in your bedroom to admire

Nope no pictures of These guys on my walls (http://www.nadir.org/nadir/initiativ/agp/a20/images/a2114.jpg) I thought that was more your style...

It seems Israel miscalculated. They were making the mistake so common to armies, of fighting the last war. They thought that just like the massacre in Shatila, they would just be able to walk into Lebanon and work their will. They thought that targeting innocent civilians and sending troops into anotheer country's territory would not meet with a response.

The United States (read George Bush) also seems to have miscalculated and may have turned a moderate ally among Arab nations into an implacable foe.



Jul. 20, 2006 17:23
Lebanese Army may join forces with Hizbullah
By JPOST.COM STAFF


The Lebanese Minister of Defense warned Israel Thursday that if IDF ground forces are sent into southern Lebanon, Lebanese troops will fight along with the Hizbullah against Israel.

Yep.America is dragging its feet on this one,Secretary Rice was to go to the region on Friday,now she cant go before 'next week at the earliest'.Bolton at the UN trying to bullshit the press with 'how can you have a ceasefire with terrorists',more stalling.