View Full Version : Who's going to "own" this massacre?
es347fan
07-11-2006, 04:49 PM
Eight bombs exploded in first-class compartments of packed Bombay commuter trains Tuesday, killing 147 people and wounding hundreds in a well-coordinated terror attack on the heart of a city that embodies India's global ambitions.
Mumbai (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/07/11/D8IQ1AB0A.html)
Travh20
07-11-2006, 04:51 PM
I have a sneaking suspicion the religion of peace is behind it. somehow I don't think the evil Christians are behind it
DrewM
07-11-2006, 05:19 PM
It was probably over Kashmir
Travh20
07-11-2006, 05:21 PM
theres always an excuse right? someone is always fucking them over so they have the right to blow up people in trains and in resteraunts. I am sick of it
DrewM
07-11-2006, 05:51 PM
I'm sick of it too. But India is not our issue.
Decka
07-11-2006, 05:51 PM
theres always an excuse right? someone is always fucking them over so they have the right to blow up people in trains and in resteraunts. I am sick of it
you took the words out of my mouth...
you can't let people off the hook for this kind of terrorist act... i mean come on, it was PRE PLANNED to kill INNOCENT PEOPLE... some people don't get how messed up that is.
DrewM
07-11-2006, 05:53 PM
you took the words out of my mouth...
you can't let people off the hook for this kind of terrorist act... i mean come on, it was PRE PLANNED to kill INNOCENT PEOPLE... some people don't get how messed up that is.
Agreed, but its an issue between Pakistan & India. What has it got to do with the US? Absolutely NOTHING.
Vilepagan
07-11-2006, 06:20 PM
I have a sneaking suspicion the religion of peace is behind it. somehow I don't think the evil Christians are behind it
If it's about Kashmir, how does this imply an Islamic connection?
paulc
07-11-2006, 06:33 PM
Isnt Kashmir desputed by Muslims and Hindus,being partly in India,maybe Pakistani Muslim extremists are responsible,Muslim extremists,Pakistan,Osama bin Laden,al Quada,train bombs,civilian targets,raise border tensions between the 2 countrys,sucks Pakistani troops away from the Afghan border region,isolating coalition troops,who knows.
Vilepagan
07-11-2006, 07:34 PM
Isnt Kashmir desputed by Muslims and Hindus,being partly in India,maybe Pakistani Muslim extremists are responsible,Muslim extremists,Pakistan,Osama bin Laden,al Quada,train bombs,civilian targets,raise border tensions between the 2 countrys,sucks Pakistani troops away from the Afghan border region,isolating coalition troops,who knows.
I don't think it's being disputed by Muslims and Hindus, it's being disputed by Pakistanis and Indians. Mostly it's about water. The headwaters of the Indus River is located in Kashmir.
paulc
07-11-2006, 07:39 PM
I aint so sure vile,theres a lot of religious tension in India at the best of times,if a temple of one sect is bombed,youve a pretty good idea,the other crowd done it,and so so.A bomb on a train in a big city like Mumbai,would have fatalities from all sects I would have thought.
LionelHutz
07-11-2006, 08:46 PM
I don't think it's being disputed by Muslims and Hindus, it's being disputed by Pakistanis and Indians.
Yeah, but the whole reason they split apart was because the Muslims and Hindus had a difficult time getting along, so they went their separate ways (oversimplification, obviously). Regardless, I don't think Pakistan and India issues and Muslim and Hindu issues can be entirely separated.
Vilepagan
07-11-2006, 08:46 PM
I aint so sure vile,theres a lot of religious tension in India at the best of times,if a temple of one sect is bombed,youve a pretty good idea,the other crowd done it,and so so.A bomb on a train in a big city like Mumbai,would have fatalities from all sects I would have thought.
I would imagine you're right about the diversity of the casualties, and I didn't mean to suggest that the Pakistanis and the Indians don't have their religious differences, it's just that I believe the root of the Kashmir issue is about water.
Darth Be'lal
07-11-2006, 09:16 PM
I'm sick of it too. But India is not our issue.
Sucks to be them, right?
Travh20
07-11-2006, 09:30 PM
pagan, you now damn well who did this and why. kashmir will be thier excuse, but death worship is the reason, they are sick people who need to be anhilated from the earth
Frogger
07-11-2006, 10:41 PM
If it's about Kashmir, how does this imply an Islamic connection?
You're kidding, right, Vilepagan.
When India was partitioned into India, West Pakistan and East Pakistan the Vale of Kashmir was awarded to India because its ruling Maharajah was Hindu. The majority of the people living there were Moslem and did not want to be part of India.
Kashmir and Jammu is now divided between the two nations but the Pakistanis are constantly stirring the local population to commit acts of violence.
googs
07-11-2006, 11:03 PM
I'm sure the group that was responsible is going to affiliate themselves with Islam.
Vilepagan
07-12-2006, 07:13 AM
pagan, you now damn well who did this and why. kashmir will be thier excuse, but death worship is the reason, they are sick people who need to be anhilated from the earth
I see. How very Christian of you.
Vilepagan
07-12-2006, 07:14 AM
You're kidding, right, Vilepagan.
When India was partitioned into India, West Pakistan and East Pakistan the Vale of Kashmir was awarded to India because its ruling Maharajah was Hindu. The majority of the people living there were Moslem and did not want to be part of India.
Kashmir and Jammu is now divided between the two nations but the Pakistanis are constantly stirring the local population to commit acts of violence.
Thanks once again for the uneccessary history lesson Frogger, let me repeat myself.
"I would imagine you're right about the diversity of the casualties, and I didn't mean to suggest that the Pakistanis and the Indians don't have their religious differences, it's just that I believe the root of the Kashmir issue is about water."
DrewM
07-12-2006, 07:23 AM
they are sick people who need to be anhilated from the earth
And herein lies the root of this type of problem. Trav all you need to do is move to Kashmir & you're a perfect fit - either side of the equation, take your pick.
paulc
07-12-2006, 08:35 AM
Trav,you should apply for a job at the State Dept.
Vilepagan
07-12-2006, 08:36 AM
It would seem that Kashmiri militants are denying a role in the bombings.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060712/wl_nm/india_blast_militants_dc_2
DrewM
07-12-2006, 08:40 AM
Maybe Trav aka "Mr must be anhilated from the earth" had a hand in it
paulc
07-12-2006, 08:40 AM
Vile,I meant to ask you last nite,whats your 'water' theory.
Jester
07-12-2006, 08:55 AM
Agreed, but its an issue between Pakistan & India. What has it got to do with the US? Absolutely NOTHING.Sure, we could just stay out of it and let India and Pakistan handle it between themselves. Or we could do our part in averting what could escalate into a nuclear war.
paulc
07-12-2006, 09:01 AM
The US needs to keep Pakistan on board,in its 'war on terror',and I believe a lot of US jobs have filtered away to India,so Im sure theyre monitoring it pretty closely in the White House.
Jester
07-12-2006, 09:03 AM
It would seem that Kashmiri militants are denying a role in the bombings.I don't see who else it could be, unless Al Qaeda is starting to set their sights on India.
Frogger
07-12-2006, 10:31 AM
If it's about Kashmir, how does this imply an Islamic connection?
Posting stuff like this proves that the history lesson wasn't uneccessary. Implying that there is no Islamic connection shows an almost total lack of knowledge of the history of the area.
astrapol2
07-12-2006, 11:02 AM
pagan, you now damn well who did this and why. kashmir will be thier excuse, but death worship is the reason, they are sick people who need to be anhilated from the earth
You mean... you really believe it could be gothic fans who did this ? I'm gonna get nervous next time I see teenagers in black suits.
Decka
07-12-2006, 05:13 PM
You mean... you really believe it could be gothic fans who did this ? I'm gonna get nervous next time I see teenagers in black suits.
hey they ARE the ones who shot up columbine LOL
Vilepagan
07-12-2006, 05:53 PM
Posting stuff like this proves that the history lesson wasn't uneccessary. Implying that there is no Islamic connection shows an almost total lack of knowledge of the history of the area.
Frogger, I'm aware of the history behind the conflict in Kashmir. My point is that no amount of religious reconciliation will solve the water question, and that's an important part of the issue now.
Vilepagan
07-12-2006, 06:06 PM
Vile,I meant to ask you last nite,whats your 'water' theory.
It's not my theory.
http://www.jammu-kashmir.com/archives/archives2005/kashmir20050323c.html
For an idea how important the Indus river is in the region, look at this satellite image.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=Map%20Kashmir&ie=UTF8&ll=30.448674,71.257324&spn=13.428778,20.610352&t=k&om=1&sa=N&tab=wl
Imagineer
07-13-2006, 01:17 AM
The bombings in Mumbai are more likely related to the last several decades of violence in the area than to Kashmir. The destruction of mosques and the hunting down and murder of Muslims in the 1990's led to a series of bomb blasts aimed at Hindus. Here is a link to an interesting article on that violence.
http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl1505/15050150.htm
The way the bombs were placed this time, in the first class cars of the commuter trains, insured that mainly Hindus would be killed. Most of the passengers paying the premium price for those cars would have been Hindu, as most of the higher paying jobs are held by Hindus.
The partition of India into India and Pakistan did not place all Muslims in Pakistan, nor all Hindus in India. Both groups have fundamentalists that hate the other group. Both sides have committed atrocities in the past, and probably will in the future. It is an internal Indian problem, but there are probably links between some of the Islamic groups and Pakistan.
It would be wonderful if all the religous hatred in the world would disappear, but it doesn't seem likely. Some people can't be secure in their own identity without an outside group to hate. That is sad, and the cause of a lot of needless violence.