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Palestinian Body Armor


Haha!

Good one, gmsisko!

Gosh, isn't it enjoyable to poke fun at a small band of desperate people who are having a campaign of genocide waged against them by an extremely well funded (by US taxdollars) religiously-motivated force that has invaded and overtaken their country!??!?

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Palestanians Deaths vs Israeli Deaths. September 28th, 2000 - February 15, 2006

[Total Number of Palestinian deaths] : 4209

* Children: 892
* Women : 273
* Men : 3044


[Total Number Israeli deaths]: 1113

* Children : 113
* Women : 305
* Men : 603
* Settlers : 213
* Soldiers : 322

just think, if the power was switched the palestinians would have killed ALL the jews by now. the jews could have killed all the palestinians long ago, why havent they? is it genocide or is it not?

You are way way over the top. We need to change your name to non thinker.

It is in the Palistinian Charter to Drive Israel into the sea.

Hey Non Thinker, I really really would like an answer to this question.


just think, if the power was switched the palestinians would have killed ALL the jews by now. the jews could have killed all the palestinians long ago, why havent they?

Hey Non Thinker, I really really would like an answer to this question.

They are trying to kill them (and/or drive them into camps) incrimentally, so as not to engender too much global outrage against them.

There is zero doubt that butchers like Sharon ...

""This is a place of filth and blood which will forever be associated with Ariel Sharon. With his election as prime minister, he will be master of the most powerful nation in the Middle East; he will travel to America, he will visit the White House and shake hands with President George W Bush. But for everyone who stood in the Sabra and Chatila refugee camps in Beirut on 18 September 1982, his name is synonymous with butchery; with bloated corpses and disembowelled women and dead babies, with rape and pillage and murder. _________Robert Fisk 2-6-0
""

...wanted to exterminate, in the cruelest ways possible, EVERY Palestinian from the face of the earth, but was held back somewhat by the political realities of committing such an act. He couldn't just go in--like he very much desired-- and murder all of them in one raid. H knew he would have faced incredible condemnation (even the US would have been forced to ACT as if they were outraged) from the rest of the world.

If the American Media ever presented anything approaching the truth of what the Israelis are perpetrating against the Palestinians, Israel WOULD have the anger of many Americans directed against them.

They are trying to kill them (and/or drive them into camps) incrimentally, so as not to engender too much global outrage against them.

There is zero doubt that butchers like Sharon ...

""This is a place of filth and blood which will forever be associated with Ariel Sharon. With his election as prime minister, he will be master of the most powerful nation in the Middle East; he will travel to America, he will visit the White House and shake hands with President George W Bush. But for everyone who stood in the Sabra and Chatila refugee camps in Beirut on 18 September 1982, his name is synonymous with butchery; with bloated corpses and disembowelled women and dead babies, with rape and pillage and murder. _________Robert Fisk 2-6-0
""

...wanted to exterminate, in the cruelest ways possible, EVERY Palestinian from the face of the earth, but was held back somewhat by the political realities of committing such an act. He couldn't just go in--like he very much desired-- and murder all of them in one raid. H knew he would have faced incredible condemnation (even the US would have been forced to ACT as if they were outraged) from the rest of the world.

If the American Media ever presented anything approaching the truth of what the Israelis are perpetrating against the Palestinians, Israel WOULD have the anger of many Americans directed against them.

sure, they are scared to death the UN would crush them right? even your cant believe that. If the Israelis WANTED to murder every Palestininian they would have, period. They have the means and the ability. Obviously the only thing they are lacking in is the desire to do so.

Tell me freethinker, whats stopping the UN from intervening in Congo or Sudan where there is a genocide? what makes you think the UN reaction to a mass slaughter of Palestininians by Isreal would draw a different reaction?

sure, they are scared to death the UN would crush them right? even your cant believe that.

I don't know.

You're the one concocting that fucking fantasy. YOU answer the question.

I made not the slightest mention of the UN.



If the Israelis WANTED to murder every Palestininian they would have, period. They have the means and the ability.

In case you hadn't noticed, they are IN THE PROCESS OF doing just that.

They are held back somewhat by the knowledge that world opinion would instantly align against them if they kill many tens of thousands of them at once.

Tell me freethinker, whats stopping the UN from intervening in Congo or Sudan where there is a genocide?

I'm not sure.....but i'll go with ---**There are many millions of rightwing ignoramuses (Travh20 being their poster boy) in America preaching distrust for and non-support for the United Nations every day, thus the UN is underfunded and possesses very little economic or political power to physically enforce its opinions and decisions**.

what makes you think the UN reaction to a mass slaughter of Palestininians by Isreal would draw a different reaction?

?!?!

I don't recall forwarding any opinion whatsoever about a possible UN reaction to a mass slaughter of Palestininians by Israel.

so basically they dont kill them all at once becasue some countries may have a poor opinion of them? heres a newsflash, most left wing morons like yourself who compose the governments of half the countries in the world already dont like then, and most of the others are muslim countries who want isreal eliminated anyway, so tell me again why they dont just roll in with tanks and naplam and wipe em out? opinion you say? you have no answer, your so brainwashed into thinking isreal is evil you cant even see that they ARE NOT killing ALL the palestinians becuase they dont want to

Israel won't kill all Palestinians because it would make AMERICA look bad. With America giving billions of dollars to Israel, the mass killing of Palestians would be the responsibility of both Israel and America. Israeli policy and its goverment are not like Hitlers Nazi regime, they are more like colonists coming to america and pushing native americans out of their country and in the process committing murder.

so basically they dont kill them all at once becasue some countries may have a poor opinion of them?

Yes. Because virtually ALL of the civilized nations of the world would condemn them.

heres a newsflash, most left wing morons like yourself who compose the governments of half the countries in the world already dont like them...

No person who retains any notion of fairness, justice or human rights is going to "like" them very much. In private, i have no doubt that most countries recognize them for the murderous thugs that they are.

so tell me again why they dont just roll in with tanks and naplam and wipe em out?

Twice wasn't enough, eh?

It is because they do not want to be censured and condemned by the rest of the planet.

your so brainwashed into thinking isreal is evil .....

All that's necessary to view them in that light is to look at what they're doing.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1794304,00.html ------ Israeli Army massacres civilians

Where is the global outrage against Pallistine who voted Hammas as their government? The same Pallistinians who strap on bombs and try to kill innocent people?


They are trying to kill them (and/or drive them into camps) incrimentally, so as not to engender too much global outrage against them.

There is zero doubt that butchers like Sharon ...

""This is a place of filth and blood which will forever be associated with Ariel Sharon. With his election as prime minister, he will be master of the most powerful nation in the Middle East; he will travel to America, he will visit the White House and shake hands with President George W Bush. But for everyone who stood in the Sabra and Chatila refugee camps in Beirut on 18 September 1982, his name is synonymous with butchery; with bloated corpses and disembowelled women and dead babies, with rape and pillage and murder. _________Robert Fisk 2-6-0
""

...wanted to exterminate, in the cruelest ways possible, EVERY Palestinian from the face of the earth, but was held back somewhat by the political realities of committing such an act. He couldn't just go in--like he very much desired-- and murder all of them in one raid. H knew he would have faced incredible condemnation (even the US would have been forced to ACT as if they were outraged) from the rest of the world.

If the American Media ever presented anything approaching the truth of what the Israelis are perpetrating against the Palestinians, Israel WOULD have the anger of many Americans directed against them.

After WW II the land we now call Israel belonged to Britan. The UN paid for it, and gave it to Isralel.


Israel won't kill all Palestinians because it would make AMERICA look bad. With America giving billions of dollars to Israel, the mass killing of Palestians would be the responsibility of both Israel and America. Israeli policy and its goverment are not like Hitlers Nazi regime, they are more like colonists coming to america and pushing native americans out of their country and in the process committing murder.

After WW II the land we now call Israel belonged to Britan. The UN paid for it, and gave it to Isralel.

Really?

Please provide a link illustrating your vast knowledge of this subject, that explains how the UN "paid for" that portion of land known as Palestine.

Really?

Please provide a link illustrating your vast knowledge of this subject, that explains how the UN "paid for" that portion of land known as Palestine.

Well, I stand half corrected.



http://www.myjewishlearning.com/history_community/Modern/Overview_The_Story_19481980/IsraelBorn.htm?OVRAW=how%20israel%20became%20a%20c ountry&OVKEY=israel%201948&OVMTC=advanced


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http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3581.htm

...a small band of desperate people who are having a campaign of genocide waged against them ...800 victims a year (your figures) isn't genocide.

800 victims a year (your figures) isn't genocide. I wasn't aware genocide had a time limit or body count?

BTW this is another great case of projection. The Israeli military readily used Palistinians as human sheilds until they were ordered to stop. Israel uses the 'settlers' as human sheilds for the theft of Palistinian land.

Well, I stand half corrected.


As to your other two claims;

The land did not "belong to" Britain.

The UN did not give all of the land in question to Israel.

Where is the global outrage against Pallistine who voted Hammas as their government? The same Pallistinians who strap on bombs and try to kill innocent people?What do you suggest we do? Stop them from voting? Make them vote for who we want to see in power?

If you want democracy in the world, you have to be prepared to accept that people aren't always going to elect governments that you like.

I wasn't aware genocide had a time limit or body count?

BTW this is another great case of projection. The Israeli military readily used Palistinians as human sheilds until they were ordered to stop. Israel uses the 'settlers' as human sheilds for the theft of Palistinian land.

he is right, genocide can be applied to anything your enemy does but not you. In his case, israel is commiting genocide. By his own words though, no certain number of deaths need be reached to equal a genocide, so technically Israel can call the palestinian campaign of suicide bombers against soft tartgets genocide as well. The palestinians are using suicide bombers agaisnt israeli civilians to stop a genocide, in effect using genocide to stop a genocide.

What do you suggest we do? Stop them from voting? Make them vote for who we want to see in power?

If you want democracy in the world, you have to be prepared to accept that people aren't always going to elect governments that you like.

thats true. I accept their vote, it just makes it easier to see where they stand. in effect, they voted themselves our enemies, which is fine if thats what they want to do, but like any voters, they should be prepared to accept what happens to them when they make a decision

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Dont you mean this.

The palestinians are using suicide bombers agaisnt israeli civilians to stop a genocide, in effect using genocide to stop a genocide.

I am astounded that you have finally grasped the situation.

As you correctly note, the actions that the Palestinians are taking is in response to the Israeli campaign of genocide that is being waged against them.

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As the Bush regime wages unjust wars abroad, as they conduct torture in our names, as they leave New Orleans to rot, as they drag us closer each day to a rock-ribbed theocratic State where abortion and birth control are banned, where science is pulled under and gays are persecuted, it is no wonder that we see the seeds of the destruction of this nation take root and grow.

I never said that specifically. its impossible to know who threw the first stone at this point. I believe the israelis are the ones "reacting" to palestinian aggression. Just because Israel isnt the "little guy" doesnt automatically mean they are wrong or evil

I never said that specifically.

Yes, that's true.

its impossible to know who threw the first stone at this point.



I think we both know that the first "stone that was thrown" was when the Israelis moved in and began rooting out the Palestinians.

People (i.e., the Palestinians) sometimes tend to become a bit irate when their land is handed over to another group, just because that other group has influence over the high-and-mighty people making the decisions to parcel out the land.

I think maybe a few invasions of isreal by ALL of its neighbors had something to do with it

I think maybe a few invasions of isreal by ALL of its neighbors had something to do with it

They happened after the Israelis moved in and began rooting out the Palestinians.

where do you hear this shit man? even hear how the arabs treated the palestinians? you think they all of a sudden hear someone might be mistreating them and invade israel for it? LMFAO, whatever man

They invade Israel because they hate Israel. Allah tells them to kill all non Muslims. On the top of that list are the Jews, Liberals, and Christians.





where do you hear this shit man? even hear how the arabs treated the palestinians? you think they all of a sudden hear someone might be mistreating them and invade israel for it? LMFAO, whatever man

They invade Israel because they hate Israel.

True.

But they *hate* Israel because Israel stands for racial and religious discrimination, collective punishment, wholesale confiscation of private property, targeting of children, and denial of basic human rights to all people except those who embrace Judaism.

They *hate* Israel because it maintains an illegal occupation, and a superpower hands it tens of billions in aid every year that enables it to maintain that occupation.

The "borders" that Israel claims are occupied lands.

Israel is illegally occupying the West Bank and Gaza.

he is right, genocide can be applied to anything your enemy does but not you. In his case, israel is commiting genocide. By his own words though, no certain number of deaths need be reached to equal a genocide, so technically Israel can call the palestinian campaign of suicide bombers against soft tartgets genocide as well. The palestinians are using suicide bombers agaisnt israeli civilians to stop a genocide, in effect using genocide to stop a genocide.ummm...you have a point but it got lost in your idiocy (sometimes mine gets lost in my vitriole...)

Yes it would be genocidal if teh suicide bombers are out 'to kill jews'. However if they are interested in repeling the invasion of their land regardless of who it is, then it is not genocide.

They invade Israel because they hate Israel. Yeah damn all those Palistinains traveling 5000 miles to kill and steal the jews land...when will they learn. ;)

the suicide bombers are out to repel the invasion of their lands? how is blowing up a pizza shop in tel aviv going to end an invasion in their lands? if its true, which it isnt, they are the dumbest military force on earth.

Good point.

the suicide bombers are out to repel the invasion of their lands? how is blowing up a pizza shop in tel aviv going to end an invasion in their lands? if its true, which it isnt, they are the dumbest military force on earth.

You deem it stupidity.

I say it is born more out of desperation than stupidity.

They have little other means available to them --in any forcible, conspicuous way-- of making known their extreme displeasure at being ocupied.

correct me if I am wrong, but didnt arafat turn down an offer to give back like 95% of "their land"?

correct me if I am wrong, but didnt arafat turn down an offer to give back like 95% of "their land"?

“According to President Clinton and most of the media, Prime Minister Ehud Barak conceded at Camp David virtually everything the Palestinians wanted, and Yasser Arafat threw away the opportunity for peace by rejecting Barak’s offer. In fact Arafat could not accept it. Barak, backed by Clinton, wanted assurance of Israel’s continued strategic control over the West Bank and Gaza, including air space and borders, and insisted that Israel retain permanent sovereignty over most of East Jerusalem, including Haram Al-Sharif. This was a deal no Arab would accept."

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html#intifada

correct me if I am wrong, but didnt arafat turn down an offer to give back like 95% of "their land"?

No.

http://www.mediamonitors.net/pnt1.html


****Why did the Palestinians reject the Camp David Peace Proposal?

For a true and lasting peace between the Israeli and Palestinian peoples, there must be two viable and independent states living as equal neighbors. Israel's Camp David proposal, which was never set forth in writing, denied the Palestinian state viability and independence by dividing Palestinian territory into four separate cantons entirely surrounded, and therefore controlled, by Israel. The Camp David proposal also denied Palestinians control over their own borders, airspace and water resources while legitimizing and expanding illegal Israeli colonies in Palestinian territory. Israel's Camp David proposal presented a 're-packaging' of military occupation, not an end to military occupation.

****Didn't Israel's proposal give the Palestinians almost all of the territories occupied by Israel in 1967?

No. Israel sought to annex almost 9% of the Occupied Palestinian Territories and in exchange offered only 1% of Israel's own territory. In addition, Israel sought control over an additional 10% of the Occupied Palestinian Territories in the form of a "long-term lease". However, the issue is not one of percentages - the issue is one of viability and independence. In a prison for example, 95% of the prison compound is ostensibly for the prisoners - cells, cafeterias, gym and medical facilities - but the remaining 5% is all that is needed for the prison guards to maintain control over the prisoner population.

Free, good redacted document. You left the author out:

"by Palestinian Negotiating Team *"

The second an "article" makes that prison analogy, bells should be going off.

Free, good redacted document. You left the author out:

"by Palestinian Negotiating Team *"

The second an "article" makes that prison analogy, bells should be going off.

“According to President Clinton and most of the media, Prime Minister Ehud Barak conceded at Camp David virtually everything the Palestinians wanted, and Yasser Arafat threw away the opportunity for peace by rejecting Barak’s offer. In fact Arafat could not accept it. Barak, backed by Clinton, wanted assurance of Israel’s continued strategic control over the West Bank and Gaza, including air space and borders, and insisted that Israel retain permanent sovereignty over most of East Jerusalem, including Haram Al-Sharif. This was a deal no Arab would accept."

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/histo....html#intifada

Published by Jews for Justice in the Middle East

If I remember correctly, I think part of Arafat's end of the deal was that the intifada would stop. He knew he had no control over it and knew if he took the deal, and it continued, the world would see that also.

That may have been another reason he didn't take the deal.

The second an "article" makes that prison analogy, bells should be going off.

The goddamned bells should be **going off** in light of the fact that Israel is placing an entire populace in what amounts to a prison.