United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission new that Saddam's regime reinstituted and continued to develop new chemical weapons and planned ways to distribute them as late as 2002.

And Hans Blix's presentation to the UN Security Council never mentioned it ( http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/07/spr...anscript.blix/ ).

CMPC2003004346 Page 1

In the name of God, most Merciful, most Compassionate

THE BIOLOGICAL COMMITTEE DECISION

An appendage to the Biological Committee Decision, on 10 March 2002, subsequent to
the biological activity combined list review, that was received after the delegate’s return
from Moscow, and in reference to the concluded meeting convened on 10 April 2002,
[when] the (GRL) draft list study was completed. – The Biological Section is evaluating
what is shown in the third revised attachment for the continuous observation and
examination plan. - The grades are subject to change according to the automation of
export and import controls, according to resolution 1051 (1996) issued in document No.
(S / 2001 / 560) which shows us the following:

1 – What is included in the draft list (GRL) is similar to what is included in the revised
comments; submissive grades according to the system of export and import controls
except the following:

a. Paragraph 7-1 from the revised statement and the (GRL) draft about the aircraft
sprayers that are able to scatter dust. The dispensing percentage exceeds the one
liter suspended liquid per minute or 10 grams of the dry substance per minute,
therefore the size of the aerosol or dust portions were increased to the size of (15)
microns or less.

b. A new paragraph under No. (11) was added to the draft list (GRL). According to
that, it combined microscopic conservation equipment and Micro Encapsulation
that was taken from the reviewed merchandise list (the additional list) stated in
resolution (1382) 2001.

c. The (GRL) draft list indicated changes to the biological part, which was placed in
the last page of the draft. Agents were added for the use of tissues and cell
cultures (Cell Culture Mediators), and added cell growth cultures to cow fetus
serums of (1) liter or more. These changes are not included in the mentioned list
in paragraph (5) relating to culture media.

2. According to the changes shown in Paragraph (1-7), it increases the size of aerosol
portions or the dust, and limits it to within (15) microns or less that and does not
create a problem. The available information that we’ve been referring to is that
agricultural usage doesn’t need these small sizes (quantities), but larger sizes
(quantities). What is related to the change in the previously added paragraph (11),
combining microscopic conservation equipment and micro encapsulation also does
not create a problem because the use of this equipment is very limited, and it does not
effect the production or research process.
MOH-GRL 130402


From: UNMOVIC's analysis ofDocument CMPC-2003-012666


Ricin toxin is found in the bean of the castor plant. UNMOVIC inspections since December 2002 have verified that the bombed caster oil extraction plant at Fallujah III has been reconstructed on a larger scale.

Undeclared BW agents, there are a number of microorganisms and toxins that have been developed as BW agents by several countries, including Bacillus anthracis (anthrax), Clostridium bottalinum toxin, Yersinia pestis (plague), Francisella tularensis (tularemia), Brucella species (Brucellosis) Coxiella burnetti (Q fever) and Variola major (smallpox). Drying of BW Agents, BW agents are produced by a process that usually results in a liquid product, for example bacteria in an aqueous suspension, or toxins in an aquesous or organic solution.

Bacterial BW agent production, this requires certain equipment, typically a fomenter and down stream processing equipment such as separators and settling tanks. Also required for the production of bacterial BW agents are nutrients that are dissolved in water and added to the fermenter. The lack of supporting documentation makes it difficult for UNMOVIC to confirm Iraq's figures on the quantities of bacterial BW agent produced.

Genetic Engineering and Viral Research. Genetic Engineering, a process whereby an organism's genetic material is modified, has many medical and industrial applications. BW Agent Stimulants are chemicals or microorganisms that have very similar characteristics and properties to a biological warfare agent.

UNMOVIC inspections and Iraqi declarations confirm that Iraq continues working with organisms that could be used as BW agent stimulates. The documents display after each section the actions that Iraq could take to help in resolving the issue and convincing the UN inspection teams that the activity have stopped or were fruitless and so on.


Slim

slim;

please read the following sentences , from your link ------

""Bacterial BW agent production, this requires certain equipment, typically a fomenter and down stream processing equipment such as separators and settling tanks. Also required for the production of bacterial BW agents are nutrients that are dissolved in water and added to the fermenter. The lack of supporting documentation makes it difficult for UNMOVIC to confirm Iraq's figures on the quantities of bacterial BW agent produced.

Genetic Engineering and Viral Research. Genetic Engineering, a process whereby an organism's genetic material is modified, has many medical and industrial applications. BW Agent Stimulants are chemicals or microorganisms that have very similar characteristics and properties to a biological warfare agent.""

Here is your assertion ;

United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission new that Saddam's regime reinstituted and continued to develop new chemical weapons and planned ways to distribute them as late as 2002.

I searched the entire text of your link.

There are zero mentions of *chemical weapons".

Is it possible that YET AGAIN, you have instituted a thread with a misleading title........??

Whether Ricin is a BW or a CW ............is not the point (I admit I mistakenly called it a chemical when in actuality it is an amino acid that interacts with the human body). The point is that the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission new that it was being developed as a reinstituted program and planned ways to distribute them as late as 2002.

The report and presentation to the Security Council never mentioned it .........and ...........if you read the transcript below ........they alluded that they knew of no BW or CW remaining after their account of them being destroyed in 1991. That is plain false.

.................."However, I must add that the report I have today tells me that no destruction work has continued today. I hope this is a temporary break.

Until today, 34 Al Samoud 2 missiles, including four training missiles, two combat warheads, one launcher and five engines, have been destroyed under UNMOVIC's supervision. Work is continuing to identify and inventory the parts and equipment associated with the Al Samoud 2 program.

Two reconstituted casting chambers used in the production of solid propellant missiles have been destroyed, and the remnants melted or encased in concrete.

The legality of the Al Fatah missile is still under review, pending further investigation and measurement of various parameters of that missile.

More papers on anthrax, VX and missiles have recently been provided. Many have been found to restate what Iraq already has declared, and some will require further study and discussion.

There is a significant Iraqi effort under way to clarify a major source of uncertainty as to the quantities of biological and chemical weapons which were unilaterally destroyed in 1991. A part of this effort concerns a disposal site, which was deemed too dangerous for full investigation in the past. It is now being re-excavated.

To date, Iraq has unearthed eight complete bombs, comprising two liquid-filled intact R-400 bombs and six other complete bombs. Bomb fragments are also found. Samples have been taken.

The investigation of the destruction site could, in the best case, allow the determination of the number of bombs destroyed at that site. It should be followed by serious and credible effort to determine the separate issue of how many R-400-type bombs were produced.

In this, as in other matters, the inspection work is moving on and may yield results.

Iraq proposed an investigation using advanced technology to quantify the amount of unilaterally destroyed anthrax dumped at a site. However, even if the use of advanced technology could quantify the amount of anthrax said to be dumped at the site, the results will still be open to interpretation. Defining the quantity of anthrax destroyed must of course be followed by efforts to establish what quantity was actually produced.

With respect to VX, Iraq has recently suggested a similar method to quantify VX precursors stated to have been unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991.

Iraq has also recently informed us that following the adoption of the presidential decree prohibiting private individuals and mixed companies from engaging in work relating to weapons of mass destruction, further legislation on the subject is to be enacted." ......................

This appears to be in response to a letter from UNMOVIC requesting clarification of the issue.

The point is that the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission new that it was being developed as a reinstituted program and planned ways to distribute them as late as 2002.How did you reach this conclusion? I don't see where in the material you posted this is made clear.The report and presentation to the Security Council never mentioned it .........and ...........if you read the transcript below ........they alluded that they knew of no BW or CW remaining after their account of them being destroyed in 1991. That is plain false.Again, I don't see the allusion you are referring to. Could you please point it out?

Whether Ricin is a BW or a CW ............is not the point (I admit I mistakenly called it a chemical when in actuality it is an amino acid that interacts with the human body).
Bwahahaa! And since when is this not "chemical"?? Do you know what the difference is between biological and chemical weapons?

The offensive use of living organisms (such as anthrax) is considered to be biological warfare rather than chemical warfare; the use of nonliving toxic products produced by living organisms (e.g., toxins such as botulinum toxin, ricin, or saxitoxin) is considered chemical warfare under the provisions of the Chemical Weapons Convention. Under this Convention, any toxic chemical, regardless of its origin, is considered as a chemical weapon unless it is used for purposes that are not prohibited (an important legal definition, known as the General Purpose Criterion).

Help ..........I'll let you and the 7th century freethinker fight it out ............whether Ricin is a BW or a CW.

UNMOVIC's evaluation of Document CMPC-2003-012666 .........included it as a BW ....under the section ........UNMOVIC Working Document, 6 March, 2003, IV Biological Clusters, section f. Ricin.


Slim

I like your name-calling slim - it's so mature and adds to the debate!

Personally, I don't mind the name-calling but slim is a bit of a hypocrite in this regard. Here's what he posted recently in another thread:Name calling.

Sounds just like the terrorist group Hamas ...........or ........a good number of the leftist hate America crowd .....same MO ......from the same playbook.