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"This shall know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men will be lovers of themselves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphermers, disobeient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of Pleasure more then lovers of God. Having a form of gofliness, But denying Its power, Have nothing to do with them" -2nd Tomohty Ch3

Fornication, Homosexuality, Abortions, Rape, Drug Use, Pedophila, Atheism, and Child Molestations are at record highs around the world.

95% Of the world has premartial sex. Homosexuality is growing, Almost 10% Of america has had at least 1 homosexual expereince. 50 Million America Babies have been murdered since the 70's. 3 Million Kids under 18 Smoke Dope. 1 in 20 men will Molest at least 1 child before they die, But only 1 in 3000 Women will molest a child. 1 in 3 Girls will be raped in there lifetime. Atheism doubled in America since 1995, From 8% to now 16%&, Only 86% Believe in God, 70% In a Christian God, the rest worship False Gods. As far as Pedophila Well Watch Dateline Wednesday or goto www.perverted-Justice.com or goto a chat room pose as a 13 year old girl and watch Yourself get 20Ims!



"And there shall be signs in the Sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of all Nations, with perplexity, and the seas and the waves will be roaring" - Luke 21

In 2012 There is expected to be the worst solar storm in nearly 150 Years, and It is expected to knock nearly 30-40 Satelittles out of orbit in space. Decemember of 2004 Tsamnui was the so great it caused a knock off the earth axis by 1". It killed upto 285,000 people in 13 nations around the Indian Ocean, Registering 9.3 On the rector scale. The atlanctic Hurricane season was the most Active on record for 2005, with 28 Named storms, (Ave 9) with I think 16 Becoming Hurricanes (Ave 6) and 9 Becoming Major Hurricanes (Ave 2). Also in 2004, There was the First hurricane to form south of the Atlantic, Meterogists were baffled and it was deemed

impossible.



"And you shall hear of Wars and Rumors of Wars: See that ye not be troubled, for all these things must come to pass, for the end is not yet" Matthew 24

We had WW1 From 1914-1918, and WW2 From 1939-1945, The rumors of wars lasted until the 60's with people building bomb shelters fearing a Nucular Bomb.



"For Nation Shall Rise against Nation, and Kingdom against Kingdom, There shall be famines, and earthquakes, and pestilanes, in dirverse Places" -Matthew 24

Earthquakes have increase about 30% Since 100 years ago, and Expecting in the year 2012 They expect earthquakes to skyrocket with the upcoming Solar storms and Upcoming Pole Shift. Also The 20th Century and 21st Centurys have seen some of the worst Pestilaces in History, With The bird flu killing 50 Million people in 1918 and The SARS Virus killing 300 Million through the 20th Century. AIDS has killed 25 Million people since 1981. Africa famines threatnen the entire continent.



"And I looked, and Behold a pale horse, and his name that sat on him is Death, and Hell Followed Him. And power was given unto him over 25% part of the earth with hunger and with death and of the BEASTS of the earth." -Rev 6

The bird flu could kill 1 Billion people if It really got out of hand.

"I will gather all Nations and bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will enter into Judgement against them, concerning my in heritance, my preople of Israe, for they have scattered my people amoung all nations and DIVIDED Up my land. -Joel 3

The Link says it all

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=93699



"The 6th Angel Poured Out His Bowl on the great River Euphrates, and its water was Dried up to Prepare for the Kings of the East" -Rev 16

Since 1990 Turkey has built a Huge Dam that can stop the Flow of the Euphrates River! Source: www.endtime.com



"No one knows the day nor Hour, no not the angel in heaven, But my Father Only" -Matthew 24

I do not know the day and Hour, No one does, But i know the seasons, and he allows us to know the seasons. Keep reading It will be around 2018, Give or take a year, The Tribulation Will last for 7 years Until the second Coming around 2025.



"Now learn this lesson from the Fig tree, As soon as its twigs get tender, and its leaves come out, You will know the Summer is Nigh. Even at the Doors. This generation Shall Not pass Until all These Things be Fullfulled" -Matthew 24

If you read the Old Testiment I think in Joel, The fig tree represents Isreal, Which became a Nation in 1948, A gernation Is how Long people Live, Right Now we are on the 58th Year. People wont live til there 130? Will they?





I cant think of the verse for this, But Jesus said right before I return There Shall be Flase profits. The Divinci Code is telling lies about Christ, and another Movie called the Beast Came out on June 6th, Saying Jesus never existed. http://www.thegodmovie.com/

All shows, Such as South Park, Family Guy, and other shows Make up lies about Jesus. Flase Phophets are at a record high.





"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." -Revelation 13



Applied Digital Solutions, On the Nasdaq: ADSX has made a way to implant microchips under the skin, to keep track of everybody using RFID, It is also used in a cashless society. Here is a picture of somebody getting one in there hand! Notice the scriptures say "IN" the right hand. http://www.rfid-666.com/



Saint Malacy was given a vision from God during the 12th Century A.D. He foresaw all the popes from then until the time of the Tribulation. There were 112 Popes in All. The last Pope, John Paul 2, was the 110th, Now we are at the 111th Pope, Which is Saint Benedict XVI, This is what is says about the last and final Pope. " In the Final Persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will Reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock among many TRIBULATIONS, After which is seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge (Who is Jesus), will Judge the People. Also Saint Malacy has been 100% Accurute in 850 Years!! Also this pope is 78 Years old. This Pope May be the Last, and the next Pope will be the Anti-Pope or False Phophet to welcome the Antichrist. The next pope is Expected to betray the Christian Faith.



"In the Begining, God Creatred the heaven and the Earth, He took 6 days to Create the Heaven and Earth, and Rested on the 7th" -Genesis 1

Why Did Gid create 6 days to Create the Earth, and rest on the 7th, If he could have done it, In less then 1 second? But he didnt. He took 6 days and rested on the 7th. In the bible, It says 1000 years Is as 1 days In Gods Eyes, It also Says God Judges The end from the Begining.

If God judges the end from the Begining, In the Begining He took 6 days to create the earth, and If 1 days is as a 1000 Years, Maybe God is trying to Tell us something, There were 4000 Years Before Christ or 4 days, And "ALMOST" 2000 Years After Christ or 2 Days. And when that time is up, It will be the 7th day or the last 1000 Years, Which is Christs Rein.

This is where it Gets really Interesting.

I know we are in 2006, However It is said That from 100B.C. Until 1582 A.D. A year around the world was counted as 360 days, Not 365.25 Days. So we lost time, We are not really in 2006. Techally we may have lost 25 years, and Are really in 1981.

Now lets say we are in 1981 in 12 Years from now, in 1993 or 2018, It will be 7 years from the year 2000 or 2025, And Since the Tribulation Lasts 7 years, The Tirbulation will end in 2000 or 2025, Starting Christs Rein Until 3000 or 3025, Finishing the 7th days or the Full 7,000 Years Since God created the Earth.

Sources:

http://www.jvim.com, http://www.rfid-666.com, http://www.prophecyclub.com, www.endtime.com


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Also,

In Late 2005 And Early 2006, The People of Israel have finished re-contructing the Furniture to be used in the "NEW" Temple Mount.

www.endtime.com

I dont know how long they have had these, But there are right now 100's of concentration Camps Right here in America. Click Below to look at the Pictures. I expect people will be rounded up and put in the these concentration Camps, After Gun control is inacted around the globe. Dont be surpised if All gun owners in the World have the guns confinscated Before 2015. After they are placed here, The Government has forms of Mind Control. Source on mind control is http://www.infowars.com

http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Concentration_Camps/

Meanwhile, On May 11th President Bush 2005, President Bush signed the REAL ID act, that everyone by May 11th 2008, Must have a REAL ID card, Without, Nobody can hold a gob, Bank account, Board a bus, Plane, Enter a government Building, or Drive a Car. THIS IS A YET Another Step towards the Mark of the Beast.

http://www.nonationalid.com

Since the As of Now, There are 25 Nations who are Part of the EU Or Europien Union, They plan on adding 2 New Nations by 2007 for a total of 27. After that, No new nations are expected until 2010. When we have all nations part of the EU, We have a NWO, or New World Order or, Global Government. I also heard that the number 11 is the Number for Global Goverment.

Septemeber 11th 1991.

Septemeber 11th 2001.

May 11th 2005.

May 11th 2008.


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"The 6th Angel sounded his trumpet, And I heard, a Voice coming from the horns of the Golden alter that is before God. It said to the 6th angel that that the trumpet. "Release the four angels who are bound of the Great River Euphrates. And the four angels who have been kept ready for this very hour were released to kill one third of mankind. The Number of the Mounted Troops were 200 Million." Rev 9

Right now there are about 205 Million Chinese ArmyMen, Now If the Tribulation were to happen tomorrow, and it wont, and there is a pre-Trib Rapture, (Which I do Believe in, I will get to more of that Later) 10% Of The chinese are Christians. So If there is a pre-trip Rapture, After the Rapture will leave only about 185 Million, Not fulling Bible Phophecy. Around 2018, The Chinese Army may grow to about 220-225 Million, And After the Rapture, If it is Pre-trib, and I think It is. 10% Of the Chinese Will go up in the Rapture leaving about 200 Million!! Wow!



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Oh - you are one of those fools....

Really - why don't you get a life instead of worrying about when the world is gonna end.

And - your proof - is no kind of proof at all.

If heaven is going to be filled with morons like you then I choose Hell

Has anyone heard this:

"Yes, I'd love to go to HEAVEN, as long as they let me go to HELL on the weekend nights"

Welcome sleepy2k16!

For many people christianity is a source of strength and jesus is a source of calm. For you, however, faith seems to be a paranoid and neurotic affair.

You also seem to have forgotten a couple of bible verses which predicted your false prophecising:

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

I find it most interesting that some people appear to be so dissatisfied with life that they must fantasize about a time when it will all end.
In your attempt to pull others into your fantasy, you may forget that others may lead a well adjusted happy existence.
Some are so well adjusted to life that they look forward to the future and the happiness it will bring.

Doom-sayers appear, to me, to be either mal-adjusted, or intent upon preying upon the impressionable for personal gain.

doom sayers. christians, muslims, new agers, geez. whatever.

christians need to keep only what jesus actually said, the rest is just yakkity yak.

he who is without sin cast the first stone. judge not lest ye be judged. sermon on the mount (share the wealth, no churches- only word, and i believe jesus took his faith from nature) sacrifice, love. ever notice how after jesus and before, the bible is nothing but violent judgemental bullshit? everything jesus was against.

Blob posted this:

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

This is what the Bible says.

Nobody know When the Tribulation will begin. However, it will begin. Disasters happen in a moment and there is no time to get your life right with God. With planes slamming into buildings where people are sitting drinking their morning coffee with co-workers... and teen agers fall into swift flood waters when all they intended to do was go see the flood waters, but all end up dead. YOu can be sure that your death and mine will come when we didnt plan it to happen. So in all your getting of happiness for the here and now, dont forget that death is only a horizon and then eternity.

Welcome TameVine!

Nobody know When the Tribulation will begin. However, it will begin.As you can see from my screen-title I am an atheist so you probably won't jump out of your chair when I tell you I am unconvinced by such claims.

Anyway, enjoy the forums!

The Tribulation May Start around 2018...Proof
I know when the end begins over on the Right under blogs.

The end will begin in about Five Thousand Millions Years (or Five Billion Years for the English system followers) from now, because our FUCKIN' sun will turn into red star and will swallow this miserable world fool of idiots like you who have nothing else to do than to preach your crap into the simple minded people that believe such shit.

And, by the way I do believe in a God, but not in a Satan who was created by humans to blame for all the crap they do that is wrong, bet fuckin' GWB will say years from now that "the Devil made him do this an that"

The end will begin in about Five Thousand Millions Years (or Five Billion Years for the English system followers) from now, because our FUCKIN' sun will turn into red star and will swallow this miserable world fool of idiots like you who have nothing else to do than to preach your crap into the simple minded people that believe such shit.

And, by the way I do believe in a God, but not in a Satan who was created by humans to blame for all the crap they do that is wrong, bet fuckin' GWB will say years from now that "the Devil made him do this an that"

Exactly !

Nobody know When the Tribulation will begin. However, it will begin. Disasters happen in a moment and there is no time to get your life right with God. With planes slamming into buildings where people are sitting drinking their morning coffee with co-workers... and teen agers fall into swift flood waters when all they intended to do was go see the flood waters, but all end up dead. YOu can be sure that your death and mine will come when we didnt plan it to happen. So in all your getting of happiness for the here and now, dont forget that death is only a horizon and then eternity.

Exactly! It is foolish to live life like tomowwor doesn't matter. Wrre not guaranteed another tommorrow. Many want to live life just doing whatever they wish, but the Word of God says, "the soul that sinneht shall surely die." Also, the Word says that without holiness, no man will see God.

Hell is no party. It is everlasting torment. When someone goes to hell, they will be in that torment for eternity. They won't be sitting around with their buddies, smoking dope and listening to tunes. They will be in regret for eternity.

Exactly! It is foolish to live life like tomowwor doesn't matter. Wrre not guaranteed another tommorrow. Many want to live life just doing whatever they wish, but the Word of God says, "the soul that sinneht shall surely die." Also, the Word says that without holiness, no man will see God.

Hell is no party. It is everlasting torment. When someone goes to hell, they will be in that torment for eternity. They won't be sitting around with their buddies, smoking dope and listening to tunes. They will be in regret for eternity.
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J Man, anyone that truly believed what you just wrote, with 100% no doubt,
would enter their church, kneel with Bible in hand, and pray until death overtook them.

Hell is no party. It is everlasting torment. When someone goes to hell, they will be in that torment for eternity. They won't be sitting around with their buddies, smoking dope and listening to tunes. They will be in regret for eternity.
Why would it be torment? Everyone there would be on the same page, except the Hitlers; the denizens of Hell would have him locked up somewhere. Satan's a great guy. Why would he punish those who are like him?

Hell is no party. It is everlasting torment. When someone goes to hell, they will be in that torment for eternity. They won't be sitting around with their buddies, smoking dope and listening to tunes. They will be in regret for eternity.

Every definition I've read of heaven sounds like Hell to me.

Your idea of hell is just an idea - it's nothing real. It's like a baby story. How much brainwashing would you estimate that it took before you believed all that rubbish?

Why would it be torment? Everyone there would be on the same page, except the Hitlers; the denizens of Hell would have him locked up somewhere. Satan's a great guy. Why would he punish those who are like him?

Satan's a liar and a deceiver Borg, and he desires to see people suffer in that place of everlasting torment where the fire is never quenched, where there is pathetic sadness, darkness like you've never seen, and indescribable horror.

You know a lot about Hell.

You know a lot about Hell.


Yep, and I know you don't wanna end up there.

You only know what somebody told you to believe. Hell is something invented to keep you good old christians in line.

It amazes me that otherwise intelligent people can buy into this type of garbage.

You only know what somebody told you to believe. Hell is something invented to keep you good old Christians in line.
It amazes me that otherwise intelligent people can buy into this type of garbage.

There is actually a Satan in almost all religions, with different names of course.... And hell, is not something eternal, it could be something you stay for a while, like a spiritual jail, but no fire or anything like that, and anyway how can you burn a spirit? Hell could be a moral state of mind of the spirit, a moral suffering, but I don't believe in nothing eternal when it comes to that. If there is a God who loves his/her creation, like a father/mother, then you don't punish your son/daughter forever, just for a while... And really he doesn't punish anybody, it is all about us breaking the laws, so then you pay your dues, and get out of that jail, right? thinking this way makes more sense to me, at least I do.

Your logic makes a lot more sense that those professing to know absolutely about something they couldn't possibly know anything absolutely about - especially when that absolute is a simpleton view - 'thou will burn in hells flames' - I mean come on, that's just retarded.

Of course any idea is pure speculation - nobody knows what happens after you die. Nobody.

Of course any idea is pure speculation - nobody knows what happens after you die. Nobody.

I believe that we are here to learn, or remember that truth about what comes after we "die", or perhaps we should say "after we are free" from this imperfect body, since it is something so natural to die, as it is to be born, then it can't be bad to simply leave this body. Everything seems to be pure speculation, that's right, but there is always something deep inside everyone of us, that tells us "this just got to be right". I also believe that we are born with all that there is to be known, but need external circumstances to wake them up. So that is why we have these people who seem to know, see, listen, feel, foretell, etc, certain things, but most of us can't.

I think the whole heaven and hell notions are perfect for people that need to run away from themselves and need everything to be simple and well defined.

I don't tend to worry myself about things I can never know. All one can do in life is be the best person they can be, believing in some fairy tale is not a requirement. Plus I have to say that the idea of a god who created both heaven and hell and will place you in eternal torment if you don't "believe" in him is a sickening notion. Any "being" that would play those type of games would be simply not worth the time of day. If there is an ultimate being then I doubt he would be so retarded and pathetic. The whole concept just doesn't hold any water. For me this makes the christian idea of the afterlife extra easy to disgard as worthless and something 100% created by man, not God. Perhaps in that story there is a message, but it isn't literal. People really do believe that heaven has streets of Gold & hell has eternal flames. They never take a step back and think about how crazy that idea is.

doom sayers. Christians, Muslims, new agers, geez. whatever. Christians need to keep only what Jesus actually said, the rest is just yakkity yak. He who is without sin cast the first stone. judge not lest ye be judged. Sermon on the mount (share the wealth, no churches- only word, and I believe Jesus took his faith from nature) sacrifice, love. ever notice how after Jesus and before, the bible is nothing but violent judgemental bullshit? everything Jesus was against.

That's right, and I also think that he taught about this coming back into new bodies after one dies, if you haven't learned enough yet, and need to keep on coming. Somewhere in the Bible it says that he said, "Repent now, don't waste your time, couldn't he have meant, to repent now in this life, don't waste your time coming back over and over again and go through everything that material life brings: pain, disease, sorrow ... (there is a verse in the Bible that is kinda clear about reincarnation, just have to find it and post it).

All one can do in life is be the best person they can be,
Why? Why not be the most self-centered person one can be? A person whose only goal is pleasing self, regardless of others needs, wants, or feelings? I leave room that for some “the best person” is the person who does live only for self, but is that normal thinking for the populations of the world?

People really do believe that heaven has streets of Gold & hell has eternal flames. They never take a step back and think about how crazy that idea is.

If one believes that there is a being with the power of existence contained within himself, and who also has the power to create all that there is, why is it “crazy” to believe He also has the power to create a place where the streets are gold and another place with flames?

Why? Why not be the most self-centered person one can be? A person whose only goal is pleasing self, regardless of others needs, wants, or feelings? I leave room that for some “the best person” is the person who does live only for self, but is that normal thinking for the populations of the world?

I was speaking of my opinion, if being the most self-centered person works great for you then that's great - go for it.

If one believes that there is a being with the power of existence contained within himself, and who also has the power to create all that there is, why is it “crazy” to believe He also has the power to create a place where the streets are gold and another place with flames?

Because, it's too simple & it's the type of stuff a human would dream up, not God.

I was speaking of my opinion, if being the most self-centered person works great for you then that's great - go for it.
I understand it's your opinion, my question is why?



Because, it's too simple & it's the type of stuff a human would dream up, not God.
Another opinion?

I understand it's your opinion, my question is why?

Because it's what works for me in my life. I don't look for external things to lean on. I take responsibility for my life & don't blame it on satan or credit God.

Another opinion?

If I said the moon was made of green cheese - would you believe it? This is no more or less dumb in my opinion than some idea of heaven paved with Gold & hell filled with flames. People believe that kind of thing not because they reached a sound conclusion but because they want to believe what somebody else told them. It makes their life more manageable to believe in stuff like that. Makes them feel more secure with their life.

From Matthew, chapter 17

09: And as they were coming down the mountain, Jesus commanded them, "Tell no one the vision, until the Son of man is raised from the dead."
10: And the disciples asked him, "Then why do the scribes say that first Eli'jah must come?"
11: He replied, "Eli'jah does come, and he is to restore all things;
12: but I tell you that Eli'jah has already come, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they pleased. So also the Son of man will suffer at their hands."
13: Then the disciples understood that he was speaking to them of John the Baptist.

To me this means that Eli'jah returned after his death (as Eli'jah), and came this time as John the Baptist, same spirit two different bodies.

From Matthew,
To me this means that Eli'jah returned after his death (as Eli'jah), and came this time as John the Baptist, same spirit two different bodies.
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Then, considering the above thinking, Jesus may have returned in another body. Gandhi, for example, and the Christians did not recognize him. People too concerned with their handed down rituals to be aware of what had occurred around them.

There is actually a Satan in almost all religions, with different names of course.... And hell, is not something eternal, it could be something you stay for a while, like a spiritual jail, but no fire or anything like that, and anyway how can you burn a spirit? Hell could be a moral state of mind of the spirit, a moral suffering, but I don't believe in nothing eternal when it comes to that. If there is a God who loves his/her creation, like a father/mother, then you don't punish your son/daughter forever, just for a while... And really he doesn't punish anybody, it is all about us breaking the laws, so then you pay your dues, and get out of that jail, right? thinking this way makes more sense to me, at least I do.

True, God loves His creation. But although God is a God who loves us, He also judges unrepented sin. Since God is holy, he has to judge sin. The Lord certainly doesn't desire anyone to end up in hel, but all to come top repentance.(2nd Peter3:9). Jesus paid the penalty of sin on calvary for all those who'd believe on Him(John3:16 and 1st John4:9). Even when we were sinners, He still loved us(Romans5:8).

But Jesus also warner about hell and warned people to repent(Luke13:3). Matthew25:46 mentions of people going into everlasting punishment. Not temporary, but everlasting. Hell wasn't amde for us, it was made for the devil and his angels(Matthew25:41). But many choose that path and are on their way there now. 2nd Thessalonians mentions of everlasting destruction.

The bible makes it clear that hell is an awful place to go to. Sadly, many are choosing that way, but it doesn't have to be that way. Jesus gave His life on calvary as the perfect sacrifice to sin, that we may have life eternally and our sins be forgiven.

He also judges unrepentant sin.

I think that everybody will repent sooner or later, either here or on the other side (even Bush will repent someday, and when he comes back it will be as an Iraqi or Afghanistan peasant that will be abused, tortured and sent to Guantanamo), when it happens in the other side, then you come back to keep on learning. Nothing last forever, and the way, road, highway, path, or whatever, to return to God (our source) is a long one, and it sure takes more than just one simple miserable life to do so.

But anyway, these are just my thoughts.

I know myself as a Christian, God, Jesus being the most important thing in my life and loving him as such. I would be happy to see Jesus come to Earth again.
So for me it really isnt about doom and gloom. Its about love and being with those you love once and for all.

I'm not saying that I want the world to end but if I have some insight to the fact that it will I would like to warn as many people as possible and try to tell them the best way to save themselves.

Even if it sounds crazy.

Put the question, how would the world end? a side and just ask, if you knew the world was going to end soon and you sounded crazy telling people that it was.

Would you still try to warn people?

Thats more or less the beliefe and how it is seen by many Christians.

At least all the Christians I have talked to.

Even if it sounds crazy.

It doesn't just sound crazy - it IS crazy.

Christians have been expecting the end of the world for the past 2000 years.

I know myself as a Christian, God, Jesus being the most important thing in my life and loving him as such. I would be happy to see Jesus come to Earth again.
So for me it really isnt about doom and gloom. Its about love and being with those you love once and for all.

I'm not saying that I want the world to end but if I have some insight to the fact that it will I would like to warn as many people as possible and try to tell them the best way to save themselves.

Even if it sounds crazy.

Put the question, how would the world end? a side and just ask, if you knew the world was going to end soon and you sounded crazy telling people that it was.

Would you still try to warn people?

Thats more or less the beliefe and how it is seen by many Christians.That's understandable. The sticking point is of course that you don't actually know the world will end within our lifetimes.

That's understandable. The sticking point is of course that you don't actually know the world will end within our lifetimes.

No not really. Personaly I see a few things here and there, watcher on the gate walls kind of stuff. It can not be known by anyone when the end will happen though.


Off track here. Do you know anything about dark matter?

Since God is holy, he has to judge sin.
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I guess when you invent sin, and Christians do have quite a long list, you must also invent an alternative.

Do you know anything about dark matter?lol. Where did that come from?!

Not a great deal, it's one of my weaker areas of physics. Just the layman stuff - it's what constitutes most the mass in the universe, it interacts weakly if at all with "visible" matter, they put detectors in deep mines to try and catch dark matter particles passing through earth. That's about it really (without me doing any googling, that is).

lol. Where did that come from?!

Not a great deal, it's one of my weaker areas of physics. Just the layman stuff - it's what constitutes most the mass in the universe, it interacts weakly if at all with "visible" matter, they put detectors in deep mines to try and catch dark matter particles passing through earth. That's about it really (without me doing any googling, that is).


I have been meeting some cool people lately while in a semi search to improve my relationship with God.
My relationship isnt bad, but you know us religious types.
Anyway, I ran into a group of scientist who told me some what about adams and how much of the universe they really make up and they began to delve into dark matter on me.
Once I asked what dark matter was it was all over. All 3 men began a conversation that left me somewhat... baffled.

Here I am looking for theologist and 3 scientist come out of no where.

They tell me its a new concept roughly 5 years old and how much of the universe is actualy made up of it and why or why not it might not be some sort of memmory board for all things that exist in our universe.

They asked what my theological out take on the universe might be in comparison.

Thats when I explained that I have my own out take on the universe and they might find it a little barbaric.
They said by no means, so I went on.

I told them that planets in our solar system are here for a reason that they each serve a purpose. Some deflect astriods others help with gravity and so on.
They just staired at me.
I went on, I told them I think the planets in our solar system were put here just to protect Earth and keep everything on it just so and my theory of the universe was the same for our solar system. Everything in it is there in just such a way that it protects our solar system and keeps it stable.

Thats when one of the gentalmen spoke up and said I think the same thing only I see dark matter as a universal mother board.
Then they shook my hand and left.

My relationship isnt bad, but you know us religious types.lol. Whatever do you mean! :cool:

They tell me its a new concept roughly 5 years oldThis sounds plain wrong. I seem to remember dark matter much longer than that. A quick search for "dark matter" on scholar.google.com threw up a host of papers going back to 1984 on the first page.

why or why not it might not be some sort of memmory board.
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I told them that planets in our solar system are here for a reason that they each serve a purpose. Some deflect astriods others help with gravity and so on.
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Thats when one of the gentalmen spoke up and said I think the same thing only I see dark matter as a universal mother board.
Then they shook my hand and left.My physics may be rusty and my knowledge of dark matter lacking but what these scientists told you is not science. I just spent 10 mins on wikipedia, hyperphysics (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/astro/umeas.html) and google scholar (http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22dark+matter%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Search) as aide memoires and to confirm my suspicions.

Click through a few of the papers from that google scholar link (some will let you access them, some won't). These are the authority on dark matter written by the theory developers, and critics, themselves. Don't read them, just browse, and note the turgid technical language, high use of intimidating equations and lack of discussion of "memory boards" (or any allusion to such a concept by any name).

Now look at this list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter_%28fiction%29) of dark matter fiction from wikipedia. Surely the romantic notion of memory boards and the like belong in this realm and not the grass roots science about dark matter, which is incredibly dry and sober as you have seen.

It's called dark matter for a reason. Nothing is known about it. Rather there is a matter shaped hole in the universe - and it's apparently very big! Quite how they are going about cracking the problem I don't know, but if you can decipher those academic papers you tell me! ;)

Perhaps I am being somewhat dismissive of the scientists you spoke with. Perhaps I am reading far too much into their intention of the phrase "memory board" by which they presumably mean some sort of souped-up "cosmological constant" - but I'm guessing. I'd be interested to know if they were suggesting dark matter is "alive" of "self-aware" or some such quasi-new-age notion.

To be honest I couldnt really say what they were driving at. I feel they stopped me and began to chat because of a theory they have that might be largly unsupported and thinking I am a Christian they may have thought I would approve. The person guiding me made sure everyone knew why we were there. Which grabbed their attention. There arent to many Protestant's going out of their way to learn things it seems and their idea was some what founded in a religious sort of way.

The man who did most of the talking said that because dark matter is always there and we can pass through it, it always retains knowledge. Like a memory board.

I will breeze through what you left for me.

Thanks for the info, you seem to be like my knowledge banker now adays.

I told them that planets in our solar system are here for a reason that they each serve a purpose. Some deflect astriods others help with gravity and so on.
They just staired at me.
I went on, I told them I think the planets in our solar system were put here just to protect Earth and keep everything on it just so and my theory of the universe was the same for our solar system. Everything in it is there in just such a way that it protects our solar system and keeps it stable.

Thats when one of the gentalmen spoke up and said I think the same thing only I see dark matter as a universal mother board.
Then they shook my hand and left.

This is like people thinking the world is flat. It's really bizarre.

This is like people thinking the world is flat. It's really bizarre.
Actually, no, Drew. The view is entirely logical if you believe that there is a god that interferes in humanity. I would dispute the latter view, but that's a debate that can never be settled, so I'll let it be. However, if God is looking out for Earth, it would logically follow that the rest of the universe, or at least a good chunk of it, is dedicated to Earth's preservation.

Yeah but that's like saying Arthur C Clarke is a religious leader. People will believe anything.

However, if God is looking out for Earth, it would logically follow that the rest of the universe, or at least a good chunk of it, is dedicated to Earth's preservation.

I believe you may be saying next that Galileo and Copernicus "didn't establish" that the Earth is not the center of the Universe, or the center of the Solar system.

No my view is that the universe protects our solar system.

Just because it protects it our solar system doesnt have to be in the center.

A goaly is on the end of the feild and he/she still protects the net.

Thats about as basic as I can get :woohoo:

P.S.

I understood about 10% of the info you left for me Blob.
Still kind of interesting though, even with the lack of understanding.

No my view is that the universe protects our solar system.

Just because it protects it our solar system doesnt have to be in the center.


hopefully this is just a passing theory of yours as opposed to something you believe 100% to be true. I think believing it 1% to be true would be far too generous.

Have we seen the whole of the universe yet?

Have we seen the whole of the universe yet?No and we never will. But I contend our ideas must be based on what we do know rather than what we don't. Otherwise anything and everything may be true and (while possible) we might as well give up trying.

I believe you may be saying next that Galileo and Copernicus "didn't establish" that the Earth is not the center of the Universe, or the center of the Solar system.
Galileo didn't establish that; Copernicus did. Galileo established that the sun is not the center of the universe. And as for the spirit of your statement, I don't know where you got that idea.

No my view is that the universe protects our solar system.And how exactly does it do that? What does it protect it from?

And how exactly does it do that? What does it protect it from?


I need to ask again, have we seen the whole of the universe and add another question. Have we seen what is outside of our universe?

And how exactly does it do that? What does it protect it from?

Satan would be my guess, in wacko's world Satan is always at the root of things. In this instance God (the holy James Bond figure) constructed an elaborate system of rotating planets to thwart his evil intent.

Have we seen what is outside of our universe?No. And likewise we have not seen what is North of the North Pole.

No. And likewise we have not seen what is North of the North Pole.

Yes you have - it's the sky above the north pole

Yes you have - it's the sky above the north poleNorth is not up. Indeed a compass would point straight at the ground if you were stood on the earth's surafce at the magnetic north pole.

OK, I think the end of the world will come from space.
Because there are people that seem to be bothered simply by what I believe I will tell you. Then you can say whatever it is you want to say.

The universe is just a time bomb set to go off at Jesus return.

Scientist have tons of information about the universe. I mean they have library after library full of information basicaly about the universe. Its all good information that thousands of people have worked on getting.
I would have to say that they have taken a look into how God has done some of the things he has done and most accurately figured it out.

However, given the vast amount of space in the universe all of that information would only lead to about 1% of what is out there. Thats how I see it anyway. Maybe way less then 1%
There are astriods the size of the moon, exploding suns, gravity collapsed in on itself and so on and all of this stuff while figured out to some degree still has some theories on it.
All of that stuff is still just a peek into the universe. I could be wrong but we will never really know because we will never really be able to see the whole of the universe.
But I am guessing that more things in a destructive nature happen in the universe then we will ever know.

Here is Earth balanced on a thread and thats just in our solar system. If it moves a hair to the left the planet is destroyed, if any of the other planets move to far out of orbit our orbit could be corrupted and so on.
The whole of the planet may not be gone but life on it would surely suffer.
This has been going on for billions of years, right?
Balance a coin on its side and then roll it down a hallway and see how long it stays on its end. Compare that to the Earth becasue it is just as fragile.

Now we have all this destructive stuff going on around us in our universe and we have stayed on our end for billions of years.
I mean we have to fall sometime, we have to interact with the rest of the universe eventaully.

When it does the whole world will see it and we wont know its God until God says, hello.

No. And likewise we have not seen what is North of the North Pole.

You can walk to the North pole and see that for yourself, you can not travel to the end of the universe and say the same.

OK, I think the end of the world will come from space.They say statistically we are due an asteroid strike. The comforting news is that "due" refers to a scale of millions of years and so it is unlikely to happen in our lifetimes.

Because there are people that seem to be bothered simply by what I believe I will tell you.It's perhaps tough being a Christian here because of the large number of atheists/new-agey types. However you make a great ambassador for Christianity, Inviolable, and provide and the counter-weight to the hit-and-run screeching prosletysers that plague any religion forum.

Scientist have tons of information about the universe. I mean they have library after library full of information basicaly about the universe. Its all good information that thousands of people have worked on getting.
I would have to say that they have taken a look into how God has done some of the things he has done and most accurately figured it out.Well some scientists would agree such as Newton, who was arguably the first IDer, and many since would disagree. The fact that great scientists have been both believers and non-believers would suggest you cannot conclude one way or the other about the existence of God from scienctific theorising.

However, given the vast amount of space in the universe all of that information would only lead to about 1% of what is out there. Thats how I see it anyway. Maybe way less then 1%
There are astriods the size of the moon, exploding suns, gravity collapsed in on itself and so on and all of this stuff while figured out to some degree still has some theories on it.
All of that stuff is still just a peek into the universe. I could be wrong but we will never really know because we will never really be able to see the whole of the universe.
But I am guessing that more things in a destructive nature happen in the universe then we will ever know.

Here is Earth balanced on a thread and thats just in our solar system. If it moves a hair to the left the planet is destroyed, if any of the other planets move to far out of orbit our orbit could be corrupted and so on.
The whole of the planet may not be gone but life on it would surely suffer.
This has been going on for billions of years, right?
Balance a coin on its side and then roll it down a hallway and see how long it stays on its end. Compare that to the Earth becasue it is just as fragile.

Now we have all this destructive stuff going on around us in our universe and we have stayed on our end for billions of years.
I mean we have to fall sometime, we have to interact with the rest of the universe eventaully.I've no problem thinking of the world as "incubator Earth". It is a fascinating and inspiring exercise to consider the likelihood of being alive, clinging to a rock spinning round a star. However there are convincing arguments that claiming "What are the chances of that!" puts the cart before the horse. And positing a personal, thinking being as a cause is quite literally a leap of faith. But again there exists no proof against what you believe or what I believe.

You can walk to the North pole and see that for yourself, you can not travel to the end of the universe and say the same.heh - such is the danger of using analogies; they are always a simplification of what they try to explain.

It is worth considering using terms such as "observable universe" (or "known universe") in order to then meaningful ask whether something exists or existed that is outside of the observable universe. However the problem then becomes that this thing would be beyond our ever observing or knowing it.

It's perhaps tough being a Christian here because of the large number of atheists/new-agey types. However you make a great ambassador for Christianity, Inviolable, and provide and the counter-weight to the hit-and-run screeching prosletysers that plague any religion forum.


Uhhh, thanks! I think lol

I dont mean it has to be an astriod storm. There are thousands if not hundreds of thousands of things in our universe that could bring the Earth to its knees so to speek.

I think that whatever will hit us will do just enough damage to slow progress down. Progress in all its forms here on Earth.
That combined with what man is doing and will be doing when whatever it is thats going to happen, happens will lead to the end. Kind of.

Things here on Earth will get bad first.
They are starting to get bad now and will only get worse. Within the next few years we will see things go from bad to worse to extremely bad.
It will be worldwide. Somewhere in there we will be hit by something from space. Then, its all over.

You will see, when this happens remeber that Inviolable told you to don't let them take your free will Blob. :D

With love and respect,
Inviolable.

Hi Inviolable,

Since your quite comfortable theorizing things that cannot be proved, may I ask you to keep that mind open for this theoirtical situation.

Imagine that we developed space travel along the same lines as Startrek and thus left the Planet earth. We found that we could move to far distant solar systems and so therin began to terraform other planets.

My question is, Would you then adapt your argument of our world being the center of all things, to perhaps say that the entire universe is Gods playground? Or would you remain steadfast in your current beliefs?

I understand what your saying about the coin, and how our universe is so fragile however its not like the earth has avoided this forever... Dinosaurs being wiped out by the meteor etc.

Regards
Ryan

Hi Inviolable,

Since your quite comfortable theorizing things that cannot be proved, may I ask you to keep that mind open for this theoirtical situation.

Imagine that we developed space travel along the same lines as Startrek and thus left the Planet earth. We found that we could move to far distant solar systems and so therin began to terraform other planets.

My question is, Would you then adapt your argument of our world being the center of all things, to perhaps say that the entire universe is Gods playground? Or would you remain steadfast in your current beliefs?

I understand what your saying about the coin, and how our universe is so fragile however its not like the earth has avoided this forever... Dinosaurs being wiped out by the meteor etc.

Regards
Ryan


That would be cool. Wish it could happen in my life time.

I'm not to sure. It would depend on what the other planets were like, how many people lived on them and if they were completely supplied by Earth or able to take care of themselves.
I guess if it were like Star Treck so to speak, only with humans on all the planets, hey like SG1.... Kinda.
I would think Earth was the primary planet intended for "Revelations" and the rest were unmeantioned, so they would be ok.
Not that they would be outside of Gods influence, just that they wouldnt have to share in the same fate as Earth. When it comes to the end times that is.

I would think Earth was the primary planet intended for "Revelations" and the rest were unmeantioned, so they would be ok.
Not that they would be outside of Gods influence, just that they wouldnt have to share in the same fate as Earth. When it comes to the end times that is.

Ok that makes sense, being that we would be terraforming, the intial place of birth for the human race would still remain as earth.

How about other Alien races, some 10, 20, 100 times bigger than our own spanning many galaxies. Theoretically assuming you were alive during this, would you still consider your God to be the one & only God, Earth to still be the center of the Universe.

Its interesting you mention SG-1 since I consider early Christianity to be much the same as the Go'uld in their means to gaining followers. Influence through fear rather than reason.

Whats more interesting in SG-1 as well is that we see in many episodes where the Gou'ld laugh and say something like "You cannot harm me, My God will save me" just to have the realisation of how false that really is crash down upon them, eventually leading to many leaving and joining the Jaf'fa rebellion.

But then, to be blunt, You Need a God else you wouldnt be in the situation in the first place.

How about other Alien races, some 10, 20, 100 times bigger than our own spanning many galaxies. Theoretically assuming you were alive during this, would you still consider your God to be the one & only God, Earth to still be the center of the Universe.
I'll field this one since I can't resist, so...about the possibility of aliens. If they do exist elsewhere (and likely there is bound to be life outside Earth), whatever their intellect, they would not have the human trait of a "spirit", and face the same fate as animals, meanwhile humanity is created in "God's divine image" and so has a higher seat of importance in the spectrum of things, regardless of their intellectual, geographical, or physical inferiority to other creatures in the universe.

*Note: This is not my view. Remember, I am not Christian. :D

Ok that makes sense, being that we would be terraforming, the intial place of birth for the human race would still remain as earth.

How about other Alien races, some 10, 20, 100 times bigger than our own spanning many galaxies. Theoretically assuming you were alive during this, would you still consider your God to be the one & only God, Earth to still be the center of the Universe.

Its interesting you mention SG-1 since I consider early Christianity to be much the same as the Go'uld in their means to gaining followers. Influence through fear rather than reason.

Whats more interesting in SG-1 as well is that we see in many episodes where the Gou'ld laugh and say something like "You cannot harm me, My God will save me" just to have the realisation of how false that really is crash down upon them, eventually leading to many leaving and joining the Jaf'fa rebellion.

But then, to be blunt, You Need a God else you wouldnt be in the situation in the first place.


Wow. Thats way different then how I see SG1. All the false Gods are named after Pharaohs. So I see them as denouncing the false Gods, the "Pharaohs" so everyone is free to worship what they want, including Jesus.

I know early Egyptians would consider their Pharaohs to be invincible, God like.
A lot like SG1. Daniel Jackson keeps assending and the rest of SG1 kind of survive off of his and Carters knowledge, hes like Jesus and shes like Marry, man and SG1 is like Apostels.
Far out dude! lol

I would see the aliens as here for us. I wouldnt veiw them as animals or any such thing, unless they really were just animals. If they were like us intellectually kind of equal but more advanced in tech, then I would more or less look at them as a tool of God here to share in what they know.
Not to be used and abused of course.
If they were not nice the same view would apply only working out for us in an unknown way.

As far as them having souls, I couldnt say. Its not up to me to say if they do or don't. I would definitely give them Testamony and let them know about God if they didn't already.

Hope I didnt share to much info with you :)