ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?

If you are willing to receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior please pray this right now, from your heart to God,

"Dear LORD JESUS, I believe that YOU died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, take me to heaven when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen."

If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.

1. REALIZE THAT YOU ARE A SINNER AND IN NEED OF A SAVIOR:

Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"

This all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain which this world sees is the result of sin.

2. BECAUSE OF OUR SINS, WE DIE BOTH SPIRITUALLY AND PHYSICALLY, BUT GOD SENT HIS SON TO TAKE OUR PUNISHMENT AND GIVE US A CHANCE NOT TO HAVE TO GO TO HELL.

Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Ro 5:8 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store, it is punishable by going to jail. It's the same thing with sin. Even if we lie one time, the punishment is hell, which is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die.

3. IF WE WILL ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS OUR LORD WITH OUR MOUTHS AND BELIEVE IN OUR HEARTS THAT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD, BY DOING THIS WE ARE RECEIVING HIM:

Ro 10:9,10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: {power: or, the right, or, privilege}
(KJV)

You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus and asking Him to forgive you for your sins and save you. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven if they do these things, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through receiving what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you.

Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS? DO YOU ACCEPT WHAT HE DID FOR YOU TO PAY FOR YOUR SINS?

4. If you are willing to receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior please pray this right now, from your heart to God,

"Dear LORD JESUS, I believe that YOU died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, take me to heaven when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen."

If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.

Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.

Why are you 100% sure?

And what is heaven anyway & why would I care less about it?

You are a nutcase.

Uhhh this is just like those stupid Myspace bulletins that state that if you don't repost it, God will hate you foreeeever.

I wonder if Jesus has a myspace...

Dude's posting this all over the net at the moment. In fact I'm sure he's posted this is exact same message here before verbatim and recognise the quirky ending: "Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism."

If I were a mod here I'd be tempted to deem this behaviour spamming and delete the thread.

ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?

If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.

Does it have to be that prayer exactly, or may I beseech God for divine intervention in my own words?


Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.

How can I tell a bible-believing church from a non-bible-believing church? Do they use a different version?

Oooh! Two more posts for me to the big 1000!

If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.



Waaaaait a minute. I thought we were all children from God since we stepped on this Earth? Now, that's just false advertisement.

Oooh! Two more posts for me to the big 1000!

Congrats Blob :)

It's a shame that people are so worried about the afterlife that they piss away this life on nothing but mindless rubbish.

This guy wins the "Brainwashed Of The Month Award"

Hey XFROD,
I give you credit for trying to share the gossple!
Yes, you are correct about some of the points
you made. God is a LOVING God & yes He sent
His Son Jesus to save us from sin. We as Christians
are to become like Christ. (That is our ultimite goal)

To say now that you have prayed that prayer.... you need to
start attending a bible believing church..... that's not for you to say.
I could go on further with this topic but I don't believe
it would be a good thing to do over the Internet.

Blessings

We as Christians
are to become like Christ. (That is our ultimite goal)

Then I expect every single one of you to go through the Whipping, beating, lashing, being forced to carry your own cross before being beaten a little more, and lastly being crucified. This way you'll truly be of Christ.

Then I expect every single one of you to go through the Whipping, beating, lashing, being forced to carry your own cross before being beaten a little more, and lastly being crucified. This way you'll truly be of Christ.


This is the exact same reason why this shouldn't be discussed
here. No we can't go through exactly what Christ did but in the same
measure we pick up our cross & carry it every day (Our cross is what's burdering us the most). We don't get whipped & lashed per say but when we are suffering like Christ that will build character
& endurence when we do it in the name of Jesus.

To become more Christ like is all about your heart & your spirit. That's what I'm talking about to become more like Christ. To love as God loves, to be a humble person, to give generously to do God's Will these are some of the characteristics I'm referring to.

Welcome godsway!

EDIT: Hey I used my 1000th post to welcome you. Hope you're suitably honoured! ;)

Well I guess for this to work you have to believe in heaven and hell, don't you.
I hate when people try and force the issue. Religion is a very personal thing some believe and others don't. For me I am not to sure about any of it. I know I am going to die some day and all I can ask for it that hopefully I have been a good person and not hurt to many people along the way. What happens after I die, who knows your guess is as good as mine.:hahanot:

To become more Christ like is all about your heart & your spirit. That's what I'm talking about to become more like Christ. To love as God loves, to be a humble person, to give generously to do God's Will these are some of the characteristics I'm referring to.
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Does this mean that I must go to Africa and kill innocent men, women and children by the millions?
Does this mean I must stand by and do nothing for the diseased and starving people of the earth?
Does this mean that I must not try to stop the slaughter of innocents thru war?

To love as God loves must I fail to help when I have the capacity??

To love as God loves must I fail to help when I have the capacity??

This pretty much means President Bush, The Labour Party and other political figures are closer to God than the Pope is :)

To love as God loves must I fail to help when I have the capacity??heheheh - good one, Dan.

Wow, culture shock! I just came from a forum thats 50% Christian and Catholic. So whats the common religion(if any) on this forum? I myself am a pagan.

Welcome Real Sorceror!

It's a healthily eclectic forum. There are some here who tie their flags to particular masts such as atheism (waves) or Christianity. Then there are others who have a more personalised set of beliefs.

I am a follower of the Lord. He alone is God and reigns supreme over all.

Well if he's supreme over all, why didn't he grant you any debating skills?

Wow, culture shock! I just came from a forum thats 50% Christian and Catholic. So whats the common religion(if any) on this forum? I myself am a pagan.
Atheism is fairly common. I'm one.

Well if he's supreme over all, why didn't he grant you any debating skills?heheh.

I find Frodo's posts entertaining only when I read them with a southern preacher accent.

I am a follower of the LORD-DAH! etc

I am a follower of the Lord. He alone is God and reigns supreme over all.

Spoken like a true fruitcake. Who wants to follow a God that has such loony salespeople? You probably make God cry into his beer he's so embarrased.

Every soul will eventually get to HEAVEN one day Zillions of years from now, even the meanest (like most politicians) will reach HEAVEN one day, but not before they taste everything wrong that they did in one life in the next one. Do you think that after living so comfortable in your $250,000 little home, with your 100k annual salary will qualify you for HEAVEN, even if you give some 10% away to your Fundamentalist Church, Jesus said, give it all away, leave your comfortable life, and do something for those poor souls living today in the worst of places around our globe, not just your 2.89 dollars a month for any advertising crap on TV that say they will help a child somewhere, do it yourself. Direct help is what the needy want.

How do you figure?

Then what's the point in becoming Christ-like
if your theory is true. Even Jesus said to his
diciples (when the women poured expensive perfume
on His feet) you will have the poor among you forever
but I am going away she is preparing Me for when I go.
It says in the Bible to give all your worldly possessions away
& pick up your cross to follow Jesus.

Come on now, I don't exactly remember what I was responding to there. Sorry if it came off a little looney. What did you want to know if anything?

Come on now, I don't exactly remember what I was responding to there. Sorry if it came off a little looney. What did you want to know if anything?


Thats ok, Drew is passionate about being whatever he/she is.

Come on now, I don't exactly remember what I was responding to there. Sorry if it came off a little looney. What did you want to know if anything?

Sure Frodo, how do you know this is true?

He alone is God and reigns supreme over all.

It's a shame that people are so worried about the afterlife that they piss away this life on nothing but mindless rubbish.

Amen to that!

I always though of heaven and hell as the carrot and stick for religions. If one truely believed in heaven, then they would simply try to get someone to kill them in a church - poof! Instantly in heaven!

Every soul will eventually get to HEAVEN one day Zillions of years from now, even the meanest (like most politicians) will reach HEAVEN one day, but not before they taste everything wrong that they did in one life in the next one. Do you think that after living so comfortable in your $250,000 little home, with your 100k annual salary will qualify you for HEAVEN, even if you give some 10% away to your Fundamentalist Church, Jesus said, give it all away, leave your comfortable life, and do something for those poor souls living today in the worst of places around our globe, not just your 2.89 dollars a month for any advertising crap on TV that say they will help a child somewhere, do it yourself. Direct help is what the needy want.

Why does one need the incentive of heaven to do good deeds?

I like to consider myself to be a nice person. I give up my seat for the elderly, help out my friends when they need it. Normal everyday kindness, but I'm not expecting to do anything but rot after I die.

Every soul will eventually get to HEAVEN one day Zillions of years from now, even the meanest (like most politicians) will reach HEAVEN one day, but not before they taste everything wrong that they did in one life in the next one. Do you think that after living so comfortable in your $250,000 little home, with your 100k annual salary will qualify you for HEAVEN, even if you give some 10% away to your Fundamentalist Church, Jesus said, give it all away, leave your comfortable life, and do something for those poor souls living today in the worst of places around our globe, not just your 2.89 dollars a month for any advertising crap on TV that say they will help a child somewhere, do it yourself. Direct help is what the needy want.
A $250k home is fairly modest.

heh, not in San Francisco and the bay area. I don't even think they have homes for that cheap out here :)

To answer a question someone posed;

I believe that the bible is in fact God's word. God's word says that He created everything, is all powerful, all knowing and created everything. I believe Him when He says this. I pray that you will believe His word as well and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.

To answer a question someone posed;

I believe that the bible is in fact God's word. God's word says that He created everything, is all powerful, all knowing and created everything. I believe Him when He says this. I pray that you will believe His word as well and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.

The question was "how do you know this is true?"

Try again. And this time could you avoid the preaching?

There is no way of knowing if you'll make to heaven, if there is one.

A $250k home is fairly modest.

Tell this to the millions around the world whose houses are worth just the mud they have used to build them.

I pray that you will believe His word as well and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.I love it when theists fail to convert someone and attempt to have a little victory anyway by saying "I'll pray for you". It would be like failing to hit on a hot woman and snorting "you might refuse to shag me but I'm going to have a wank about you anyway."

XFRODOBAGGINSX is exactly right about the bible being the word of God! As far as the question about how do you know this is true? This is what is called faith. I believe the definition for faith is beleiving in someone or something that you can not see. By faith we know that the word of God is the truth!

This goes against every rational thought of man. Man says show me first & then I'll beleive when faith says when I beleive then I will see it.

Religion & spirituality is a very personal issue. Nobody should be put down or mocked for beleiving in the bible, God & His son Jesus Christ who died once to cover ALL & EVERYBODY's sin.

God Bless!

A Victor - Not A Victim
NiNa

XFRODOBAGGINSX is exactly right about the bible being the word of God!

I say he's completely wrong.


As far as the question about how do you know this is true? This is what is called faith. I believe the definition for faith is beleiving in someone or something that you can not see. By faith we know that the word of God is the truth!

The problem with that statement is that you use "know" and "believe" interchangeably, as if their definitions are the same.


This goes against every rational thought of man.

Yes it does. Can you tell me why God wants you to be irrational?


Religion & spirituality is a very personal issue.

Not when it's posted on a public forum.


Nobody should be put down or mocked for beleiving in the bible,

As a general rule of courtesy I agree with you, and I think you'll find that as a rule I'm not the "mocking" type, but when someone purports to have special "knowledge" as opposed to quietly professing their faith, a certain amount of ridicule is justified IMO.


God & His son Jesus Christ who died once to cover ALL & EVERYBODY's sin.

Yeah...like that.


God Bless!

No thanks. Save your blessings for yourself, I don't need them. :)

Vilepagan,s reply to my last post about
Quote:Religion & spirituality is a very personal issue.

Not when it's posted on a public forum.

You are absolutely 100% correct about that statement & that's why in one of my early posts I stated, that religion & spirituality isn't a good topic to discuss in this forum or something to that effect.

Vilepagan stated this
Yes it does. Can you tell me why God wants you to be irrational?

God's ways are not like man's ways.


Vilepagan said No thanks. Save your blessings for yourself, I don't need them.

I am very happy to hear that you have got everything you need. I also respect your beliefs & I feel like this thread is starting to turn hostile. This is exactly why this shouldn't be discussed in this type of forum.

I wasn't trying to preach & if it came off that way, I apologize for that. I was simply speaking the truth from a christian's point of view. I'm not saying that it's YOUR belief or that YOU have to believe it.

You are absolutely 100% correct about that statement & that's why in one of my early posts I stated, that religion & spirituality isn't a good topic to discuss in this forum or something to that effect.

Alas, we do it anyway. :)


God's ways are not like man's ways.

No doubt if there is a God, your statement would be correct, but that doesn't really address God's possible motives for wanting us to abandon reason when contemplating his/her nature.


I am very happy to hear that you have got everything you need.

Ahh but that's not what I said. I said I didn't need your blessing. Nothing personal.


I also respect your beliefs & I feel like this thread is starting to turn hostile.

I'm sorry Godsway, I have no intention of being hostile.


This is exactly why this shouldn't be discussed in this type of forum.

In your opinion, what is the proper venue for this type of discussion?


I wasn't trying to preach & if it came off that way, I apologize for that. I was simply speaking the truth from a christian's point of view. I'm not saying that it's YOUR belief or that YOU have to believe it.

You didn't come off as preachy Godsway, no apology neccessary. I also understand that you were sharing what you consider to be the truth, and you weren't attempting to convince me to believe your truth.

I believe these discussions are useful if for no other reason than it helps people who see truth differently to come to some understanding of each others viewpoints. With that in mind, I'll try to explain a little why I may seem a little put off when someone says "God Bless you" to me.

When someone says "God Bless you" to me, it seems from my perspective that they are making two assumptions that they have no right to make.

#1- That somehow they've recognized or concluded that I'm not already blessed by God, and I think that to a degree, it's taking a somewhat superior attitude.

#2- It would seem that some people believe that by uttering this platitude they are somehow invoking God's power on my behalf, which to be frank, I find mildly arrogant.

Again Godsway, I have no hostile intent, and I have no desire to ridicule anyone for their religious beliefs. Welcome to allforums, and I hope you feel comfortable discussing your beliefs here.

:flowers:

BTW, if you wish to respond to someone's post by quoting them, there's a "quote" button under each post. If you click on it, it will bring up their post and allow you to respond without having to go to the trouble of retyping their post. :)

Alas, we do it anyway. :)



No doubt if there is a God, your statement would be correct, but that doesn't really address God's possible motives for wanting us to abandon reason when contemplating his/her nature.



Ahh but that's not what I said. I said I didn't need your blessing. Nothing personal.



I'm sorry Godsway, I have no intention of being hostile.



In your opinion, what is the proper venue for this type of discussion?



You didn't come off as preachy Godsway, no apology neccessary. I also understand that you were sharing what you consider to be the truth, and you weren't attempting to convince me to believe your truth.

I believe these discussions are useful if for no other reason than it helps people who see truth differently to come to some understanding of each others viewpoints. With that in mind, I'll try to explain a little why I may seem a little put off when someone says "God Bless you" to me.

When someone says "God Bless you" to me, it seems from my perspective that they are making two assumptions that they have no right to make.

#1- That somehow they've recognized or concluded that I'm not already blessed by God, and I think that to a degree, it's taking a somewhat superior attitude.

#2- It would seem that some people believe that by uttering this platitude they are somehow invoking God's power on my behalf, which to be frank, I find mildly arrogant.

Again Godsway, I have no hostile intent, and I have no desire to ridicule anyone for their religious beliefs. Welcome to allforums, and I hope you feel comfortable discussing your beliefs here.

:flowers:

BTW, if you wish to respond to someone's post by quoting them, there's a "quote" button under each post. If you click on it, it will bring up their post and allow you to respond without having to go to the trouble of retyping their post. :)


I'm sorry you feel that way but by no means am I trying to come off as a #1 or a #2.

There is no way of knowing if you'll make to heaven, if there is one.


Why wouldnt there be?

Why wouldnt there be?
Because Heaven is a myth?

That's your beleif & that's fine. As for Christians we beleive there is a heaven.
At least I do anyway. :)

Because Heaven is a myth?


I had a thought the other day.

If the universe is expanding whats it expanding to?

If its all there is then how could it expand? It cant make itself bigger if it is everything already.

If the universe is expanding whats it expanding to?
To our knowledge, or rather, our predictions, space is infinite. Matter however, is not. The Universe as we know it is constantly expanding to a point where it can no longer do so, and then it retracts due to the forces of gravity. When everything collapses on itself, it explodes again and the universe takes shape once again. It's a cyclical thing, and just conjecture, but may be very likely.
If its all there is then how could it expand? It cant make itself bigger if it is everything already.
If such a thing as Heaven were to exist, why would it be tangible? Why would it be within our imagination? The fact that you are intimating that Heaven exists because the universe is expanding, leads me to suspect you believe it is something that exists in this universe.

Also, what do you believe heaven is, Inv?

As for Christians we believe there is a heaven.
At least I do anyway. :)

Since you believe in "heaven", can you tell me what is heaven, and what do you think people do when they get there?, how do they spend their time? Also, where is this heaven? How long does it take to go to this place, and what do you have to do to get there?

XFRODOBAGGINSX stirred the Lucky Charms around in his cereal bowl.
The sun was coming up, and the family would be stirring soon.
All across the neighborhood, there were no doubt a hundred fathers and husbands starting their day in the exact same way. Eating their breakfast food, and contemplating the salvation of the great, unwashed masses.
The salvation of the great, unwashed, ungrateful, argumentative, uncooperative, gosh-darned Philistine masses.

It wasn’t easy being a modern-day Messiah.

Suddenly he awoke from his reverie. Shoot, he’d better get the coffee started, or there would be heck to pay with the missus!

Frodo carefully measured the coffee grounds into the filter bin, poured in the required amount of water, and then turned the machine on.
He stood there for a moment, and listened to the Mr. Coffee as it made percolating noises. The clock timer flashed, “12:00, 12:00, 12:00”.
Endlessly it flashed.

Frodo wished that he knew how to set the clock on that machine, but unfortunately he wasn’t good with things mechanical or electronic. There were instructions that came with the Mr. Coffee last year, but they were printed in English, French, and Spanish.
It bothered him that there might be things in French or Spanish printed there that disparaged him, and mocked his holy mission, so Frodo had thrown the instructions into the trash.
Later on, he fished them out of the trash can, and placed them into the white paper recycling bin.

“ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT YOU MEASURED THAT COFFEE OUT THE RIGHT WAY?? REALIZE THAT YOU MAKE TERRIBLE COFFEE, AND ARE IN BAD NEED OF A VASECTOMY, FOR THE GOOD OF MANKIND!!”
Frodo hung his head, and quietly clenched his fist.
The wife had woken up in a hateful, sarcastic mood, as usual.

“FRODO. POUR ME A CUP OF YOUR ATROCIOUS COFFEE. AND THEN PLEASE TELL ME THAT YOU ARE GOING TO FIND A JOB TODAY!!”
Donna Baggins chins, all three of them, trembled with a calculated & superior smugness.
(Donna had a good job, and it seemed that Frodo could never seem to hang onto his.)
Her obese corpulence was only matched by her cruel, puffy-eyed visage.
She glared at him, and dared him to challenge her authority.

“Here, honey. I made it just the way you like it.”
Frodo poured Donna a cup of java, stirred in a healthy dollop of Half & Half, and then sweetened it with exactly seven drops of Sweet-N-Low.
He offered her the mug of coffee, and then waited expectantly.

Donna sipped the breakfast beverage, and then screwed-up her heavy, quivering face for a moment. Finally, she announced, “BECAUSE OF YOUR SINFUL COFFEE, I DIE BOTH SPIRITUALLY AND PHYSICALLY. THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE WORST COFFEE IN THE HISTORY OF ALL MANDKIND. BUT GOD SENT HIS DAUGHTER TO TAKE OUR PUNISHMENT AND GIVE US ALL A CHANCE NOT TO HAVE TO GO TO THE HELL THAT IS THE COFFE OF YOUR CREATION.”

Frodo cringed. “Please don’t mock me, Donna. And please don’t take the words of the scripture and turn them around like that.”

“FORGET THAT. HAVE YOU FOUND A JOB YET?”

“I have a line on a position at the Christian bookstore. But you understand there is a bit of a waiting list for such a job. Patience is virtue, you know.”

Suddenly there was a presence at the kitchen doorway.
“PATIENCE, HELL. I’M ALL OUT OF PATIENCE. BUSTER, YOU FIND WORK THIS WEEK, OR I’M GOING TO CALL THE JUDGE AND TELL HIM TO SEND YOU BACK TO HAVENWOOD!!”

Donna’s mother, Amanda was up and about.
And she was in a surely mood.

“Now, Mother Johnson…. You know that I did my time at the sanatorium, and they signed the papers last year that said I am 100% adjusted to society, and that I am not a candidate for re-admission.”

“ARE YOU A CANDIDATE FOR EMPLOYMENT?? YOU HAD A GOOD JOB AT THE AUTO PARTS STORE, AND AS USUAL, YOU SCREWED THAT UP!!”

“The manager was a heathen. He rejected The Savior, and he blasphemed the Lord Our God! And then he fired me unjustly!” Frodo wrung his hands. How to make them understand?

Donna chimed in. “YOU ACOSTED THE CUSTOMERS AND TOLD THEM THEY WERE ALL GOING TO HELL IF THEY DIDN’T BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS?!! AND MOST OF THEM WERE ALREADY BELIEVERS…..”

She froze for a moment.
The child had entered the kitchen.

Little Bilbo stood for a moment at the foot of the stairs, and stared wide-eyed at the angry gathering of adults. He still had sleep in his eyes.

Frodo nearly wept aloud. A child should not have to be subjected to such ugliness.
God-bless this young sheep, and please allow him to find the peace of the Almighty Shepherd, oh please my Lord.

The child spoke.
“ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT SANTA CLAUSE GOT MY WISH LIST?? REALIZE THAT YOU ARE IN SERIOUS TROUBLE IF I DO NOT GET AN X-BOX WITH THE M-4 CHIP AND THE GRAND THEFT AUTO VI MASTERS-EDITION BOXED-SET. REALIZE ALSO THAT IT IS A SCANT TWO AND HALF MONTHS TO CHRISTMAS, AND I WANT A MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF GOOD STUFF. DO YOU ACCEPT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF I DON’T GET SOME GOOD STUFF THIS YEAR???”

The mother-in-law chimed in, “YEAH. DO NOT SCREW THIS UP, FRODO. FOR ALL THE TIME YOU SPEND ON THE INTERNET, YOU THINK YOU WOULD LEARN HOW TO NAVIGATE YOUR WAY TO BEST BUY OR COSTCO. DAMN YOU, ARE YOU EVEN LISTENING???”

Frodo sat there for a moment, and listened to the Mr. Coffee as it made ticking noises. The clock timer flashed, “12:00, 12:00, 12:00”.
Endlessly it flashed.

Frodo stirred the Lucky Charms around in his cereal bowl.

:eek:

Why wouldnt there be?It would violate the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

I had a thought the other day.

If the universe is expanding whats it expanding to?

If its all there is then how could it expand? It cant make itself bigger if it is everything already.

When people refer to an expanding universe they are talking about the matter from the big bang pushing outwards from the place where the bang occured. It just means that matter is spreading out over a larger area.

When people refer to an expanding universe they are talking about the matter from the big bang pushing out wards from the place where the bang occurred. It just means that matter is spreading out over a larger area.

Agree, just like a mass of gas expanding into an unlimited area, it continues to expand without end, and the further it goes the further it's molecules get separated...

I had a thought the other day.

If the universe is expanding whats it expanding to?Nothing three dimensional, so trying to picture it as, say, an inflating balloon doesn't work. There's nothing in our 3D human-scale experiences that we can cling onto to visualise it. For example - try to imagine something as simple as a 1D universe - just a 'line'. You cannot think of it without picturing it as a line in 3D space - because you are a 3D being.

String theories have their umpteen dimensions and plane theory its interacting 2D entities. These theories are written in mathematics and don't translate into plain English.

If its all there is then how could it expand?A 1D universe could start as a dot and grow. It's the same thing.

It cant make itself bigger if it is everything already."Everything" does not mean "infinitely big with no potential for growth".

Also, what do you believe heaven is, Inv?


Be better to say what I think the universe is.
I think its a bubble that holds time and space. Its cage so to speak made with the qualities that mankind needs to rationalise and maintain life.
We can figure out how the cage works and understand its mechanism but there is only one key.
Death.

Heaven is beyond space and time, somewhere on Gods desk sits the universe.
It has no bounds or limitations and the only way to get in is through God after you die.

Nothing three dimensional, so trying to picture it as, say, an inflating balloon doesn't work. There's nothing in our 3D human-scale experiences that we can cling onto to visualise it. For example - try to imagine something as simple as a 1D universe - just a 'line'. You cannot think of it without picturing it as a line in 3D space - because you are a 3D being.

String theories have their umpteen dimensions and plane theory its interacting 2D entities. These theories are written in mathematics and don't translate into plain English.

A 1D universe could start as a dot and grow. It's the same thing.

"Everything" does not mean "infinitely big with no potential for growth".


That is what I meant, just not quite so.
If you drop pebbles in a glass full of water the water will over flow the glass.
Dont the glass, pebbles and water exist in a 3D space?

What if solar system after solar system was filled up the same way?

It would violate the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.


What if the universe was limited and the only place the Laws of Dynamics exist?

Be better to say what I think the universe is.
I think its a bubble that holds time and space. Its cage so to speak made with the qualities that mankind needs to rationalise and maintain life.
We can figure out how the cage works and understand its mechanism but there is only one key.
Death.

Heaven is beyond space and time, somewhere on Gods desk sits the universe.
It has no bounds or limitations and the only way to get in is through God after you die.
Those are good answers Inv, but what you said earlier made me think you thought the universe was "expanding infinitely" and that was somehow tied to heaven's existence. I found it a strange statement.

Those are good answers Inv, but what you said earlier made me think you thought the universe was "expanding infinitely" and that was somehow tied to heaven's existence. I found it a strange statement.

Sorry for the confusion. I was thinking more along the lines of the universe expanding into Heaven.
Something like, you can only have so many souls in one universe.
The well of souls will run dry. If everything was predestined then the universe was made just big enough for so many souls.
Not that Heaven is in it, but there is a waiting room to see God.

The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed.

Albert Einstein

If the universe is expanding whats it expanding to? why the next big bang of course.

The universe is a sphere and eventually all the stuff expanding from the big bang will crash back to gather on the other side. It will be so dense any scattered matter will be condensed into a super hot quark soup and the whole bloody mess starts over again.

why the next big bang of course.

The universe is a sphere and eventually all the stuff expanding from the big bang will crash back to gather on the other side. It will be so dense any scattered matter will be condensed into a super hot quark soup and the whole bloody mess starts over again.

I've heard this before, I wonder if the time in which it will take will only be a short thousand years.

What if the universe was limited and the only place the Laws of Dynamics exist?If there is a heaven its dynamics of nature would certainly be different to what we know in this world. However, if this is the case, we are removed from making any speculations about heaven on the basis of what we know through the scientific method. In other words your own suggestions about connections between cosmology and your faith are invalidated. You will simply declare "Ah! But the universe is limited!" and move on everytime you reach a problem (I mean that philosophically speaking, not as a description of your personality).

I've heard this before
It's already been discussed about 3 times in this thread...read people!
I wonder if the time in which it will take will only be a short thousand years.
Highly unlikely. Make that impossible.

If there is a heaven its dynamics of nature would certainly be different to what we know in this world. However, if this is the case, we are removed from making any speculations about heaven on the basis of what we know through the scientific method. In other words your own suggestions about connections between cosmology and your faith are invalidated. You will simply declare "Ah! But the universe is limited!" and move on everytime you reach a problem (I mean that philosophically speaking, not as a description of your personality).


If we base everything on the basis of scientific methods we would leave no room for imagination.
Which is responsible for many a break through.

Besides being bound to what we know here isnt what I would call freedom.

If we base everything on the basis of scientific methods we would leave no room for imagination.
Which is responsible for many a break through.

Besides being bound to what we know here isnt what I would call freedom.Well no one's suggesting everything be based on science. It's horses for courses; and the existance of heaven/god is one course on which the science horse doesn't run well. But you try telling that to creation 'scientists'... ;)

It also depends on which scientist you speak to. There are evolutionary scientists and creation scientists. There are those who believe in intelligent design that aren't necessarily Christian.

There are those who believe in intelligent design that aren't necessarily Christian.Islamic scholars?

The Hobbit is right, while most intelligent design scientists are Christian, not all of them are. We're not talking six twenty four hour days people but scientists who believe that the world isn't simply the result of random events.

There are evolutionary scientists and creation scientists.

I hereby nominate the term -- *creation scientists* -- as the #1 oxymoron of the new millennium.

I don't know. I have been reading your posts and I think maybe Freethinker is the number one oxymoron of all time.

I don't know. I have been reading your posts and I think maybe Freethinker is the number one oxymoron of all time.

If your prefered form of discourse ever rises above the --""Nyah nyah, I'm rubber and you're glue, everything you say bounces offa me an sticks to you!!""-- level, let me know.

The Hobbit is right, while most intelligent design scientists are Christian, not all of them are. We're not talking six twenty four hour days people but scientists who believe that the world isn't simply the result of random events.By that definition I'm in the intelligent design camp. Not the "it's simply random events" camp.

Hmmm. Can I be my own third option?

If your prefered form of discourse ever rises above the --""Nyah nyah, I'm rubber and you're glue, everything you say bounces offa me an sticks to you!!""-- level, let me know.

Thiis from the man who told a fellow poster he was sorry he had returned since it lowered the IQ of the site. Can you spell hypocrite, Freethinker?

Does this ring a bell?

Freethinker
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Inviolable
You speak about something that doesnt exist with great passion. Like you hate God or something.

Don't worry, Frogger was joking I'm sure.

God loves everyone, even you.


a) Shit. I thought you said you were leaving.

b) Your return means that the average I.Q. in the forum just dropped a dozen points or so.

c) I do not WANT your invisible, baby murdering deity's *love*. I want nothing to do with your imaginary friend-in-the-sky.


Seems sort of like the Nyah, nyah, type posting your are complaining about.

Thiis from the man who told a fellow poster he was sorry he had returned since it lowered the IQ of the site.

That comment was nothing like the type of comment i criticized you for making.

Mine was a simple declarative statement of my own opinion, and was not at all the Pee Wee Hermanesque -- "I know you are but what am I?!?!" -- type of response that you are so prone to making, and that I chided you for.

Acutally, evolution has tons of holes in it. The problem is that when a scientist points out the holes in it, they are discredited and rideculed, lose their carrer. Kind of like the way that the intelligent design people are being treated here. Just because they don't agree with evolution, doesn't mean they don't have credible evidence. The problem is that evolution is a religion that propogates it's self as if it isn't one. There is a new book out about how adolf hitler believed in evolution and was "helping" natural selection along.

Acutally, evolution has tons of holes in it.
Not really, no. Unless you would care to explain what those holes are. Keep in mind that evolution does not attempt to explain where life came from.
The problem is that when a scientist points out the holes in it, they are discredited and rideculed, lose their carrer.
Actually, scientists only lose their careers when they stop being good scientists.
Kind of like the way that the intelligent design people are being treated here.
With scorn? As well they should.
Just because they don't agree with evolution, doesn't mean they don't have credible evidence.
You're right; their nonbelief in evolution is not the cause of their lack of evidence. The cause of their lack of evidence is the inability to find any supporting the hypothesis.
The problem is that evolution is a religion that propogates it's self as if it isn't one.
Not really, no. There is evidence and experimentation and logic in evolution, and really no dogma, punishments, suggostions of afterlife, or anything else that contitutes religion. Respectfully, you're a dumb fucker who is pulling shit out of your ass here.
There is a new book out about how adolf hitler believed in evolution and was "helping" natural selection along.
Do you read what you type? It is painfully obvious that you're trying to try some mind-numbingly stupid comparison between Nazism and evolution, in some braindead attempt to discredit evolutionists. Prior to this, you were just stupid, but now you are stupid and you have failed to follow the Ten Commandments (bearing false witness). You have just become a hypocrite. Congratulations, moron.

BorgHunter,
Thank you for so patiently and thoughtfully schooling this legendarily-prolific religious-zealot web-spammer.

xfrodobagginsx,
You are a dumb ass, you spell poorly, and you need serious psychological help.
Please kill yourself, will yourself to rise from the dead, and prove me wrong.
The sooner the better, sir.

J.S.
You have my number.
Call me.
Any time.
Really.

Google search for "XFRODOBAGGINSX, banned".
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=XFRODOBAGGINSX%2C+banned&btnG=Google+Search

This guy is a disturbed individual, and a professional spammer.
:thumbs:

We let him stay around - kinda like not arresting the perrenial town drunk.

Oh hell.

Well, thank you for not arresting me then, sir.
:rolleyes: :drinktoth

entiligent design is true because god told me so. evolushun is stupid and wrong. the evolutionist scientists also sabataged the reserch of the inteligent designers.

DARWIN WAS A NATSI!

-mr baggins

Google search for "XFRODOBAGGINSX, banned".
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=XFRODOBAGGINSX%2C+banned&btnG=Google+Search

This guy is a disturbed individual, and a professional spammer.
:thumbs:

Yeah but I LOVE him. It reminds me where I could go if I lose introspection. Seeeeeeeeee...everyone has his place... ;)

How to get to heaven when you die: don't repeat the behaviors of Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, et al. Real easy for most of humanity.

There may come a day, when the earth is dying or just for a species insurance policy, earthlings wish to spread their DNA to the galaxies. Of course the time/distance factor will come into play.
Programed robots(capable of limited decision making) may be used.
These programs may seek a distant planet with earth-like conditions and either play with the DNA of existing species or carry along test tube babies.

They will come from the stars, people start out with oral history about god(s) that come from above and the miracles they brought upon the planet with the beginning of life. They may pray to the god(s) and possibly speak of their return to save people from the problems of humanity.
Some, utilizing the imagination of humans, will use this for personal gain.
Rival religions will compete for power. Religious wars will be fought.
People will wonder and discuss the alternatives for their beginning.

Sound familiar?

Programed robots(capable of limited decision making) may be used.
These programs may seek a distant planet with earth-like conditions and either play with the DNA of existing species or carry along test tube babies.


Great, the continuation of the species depends on NASA's ability to correctly program robots.

BorgHunter,
Thank you for so patiently and thoughtfully schooling this legendarily-prolific religious-zealot web-spammer.

xfrodobagginsx,
You are a dumb ass, you spell poorly, and you need serious psychological help.
Please kill yourself, will yourself to rise from the dead, and prove me wrong.
The sooner the better, sir.

J.S.
You have my number.
Call me.
Any time.
Really.

I agree! That SoB was talking about God as much as he possibly could every he went and it seems he was a lot of places.

I really hate people who have an idea of love and try to spread it as much as possible! Those kinds of people really deserve to die!

Oh wait. No I dont. Man wish I had the guts to go to as many places as possible to spread a message of love and take the chance at being called a dumbass.

Maybe I should go kill myself before I even think about passing on a peaceful message to others.

There is a new book out about how adolf hitler believed in evolution and was "helping" natural selection along.Horay! Godwin's Law invoked.

Hitler was a Catholic. He believed he was doing good work and he believed in salvation through Christ.

Why do so many theists try to throw Hitler of all people into the atheist camp? Man, you've got Stalin, Kim Jung Il, Chairman Mao, Pol Pot... the list of atheist or at least non-religious psychopathic mass muderers is long and contempary. That's the guilt trip I'd throw at non-believers if I was a theist who'd run out of proper arguments.

But, no. All we hear is "you atheists are as bad as Hitler the christian". It's like you have a pile of nukes to fire at the opposition with all these contempory atheist maniacs but instead you pick up the pistol that back-fires. LOL.

Horay! Godwin's Law invoked.

Hitler was a Catholic. He believed he was doing good work and he believed in salvation through Christ.

Why do so many theists try to throw Hitler of all people into the atheist camp? Man, you've got Stalin, Kim Jung Il, Chairman Mao, Pol Pot... the list of atheist or at least non-religious psychopathic mass muderers is long and contempary. That's the guilt trip I'd throw at non-believers if I was a theist who'd run out of proper arguments.

But, no. All we hear is "you atheists are as bad as Hitler the christian". It's like you have a pile of nukes to fire at the opposition with all these contempory atheist maniacs but instead you pick up the pistol that back-fires. LOL.


I'd have to say that a lot of things Hitler said about being a Christian was Propaganda.
I'd also have to say that he sort of made up his own religion adding Christian to the title in an effort to appease the masses.

Here are some Hitler quotes.

"I soon realized that the correct use of propaganda is a true art which has remained practically unknown to the bourgeois parties. Only the Christian- Social movement, especially in Lueger's time achieved a certain virtuosity on this instrument, to which it owed many of its success. "

"It [Christian Social Party] recognized the value of large-scale propaganda and was a virtuoso in influencing the psychological instincts of the broad masses of its adherents."

"In nearly all the matters in which the Pan-German movement was wanting, the attitude of the Christian Social Party was correct and well-planned."

"For the political leader the religious doctrines and institutions of his people must always remain inviolable; or else has no right to be in politics, but should become a reformer, if he has what it takes!"

He could have thought he was a Christian, but all Christians see the Jewish people as Gods chosen. I seen you talk of fear in the past and what one would and wouldn't say about God because of fear of him.
I'd have to say doing what Hitler did he definitely had no fear of God.

Here is a Jewish quote.

"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew"

It is recorded history that Atheist will take on the form of a Christian for their own good.

Well in that case all the atheist bad people were Christians just pretending. ;)

And I see you're up for a game of Hitler quote tennis.
My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

[/b]-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922[/b]


Just as the Jew could once incite the mob of Jerusalem against Christ, so today he must succeed in inciting folk who have been duped into madness to attack those who, God's truth! seek to deal with this people in utter honesty and sincerity.

-Adolf Hitler, in Munich, 28 July 1922


It will at any rate be my supreme task to see to it that in the newly awakened NSDAP, the adherents of both Confessions can live peacefully together side by side in order that they may take their stand in the common fight against the power which is the mortal foe of any true Christianity.

-Adolf Hitler, in an article headed "A New Beginning," 26 Feb. 1925


The National Socialist Movement has wrought this miracle. If Almighty God granted success to this work, then the Party was His instrument.

-Adolf Hitler, in his proclamation to the German People on 01 Jan. 1939 Really was pretending hard, wasn't he?

No doubt this evidence - and the hundreds more quotes I could copy-paste - will make no dent in your views. But seriously, it would sound much more convincing if you conceded Hitler instead of pulling the No True Christian™ card.

In the future please focus more on those self-professed atheist maniacs. You won't find me pulling the No True Atheist™ card (though other atheists will and do).

I agree! That SoB was talking about God as much as he possibly could every he went and it seems he was a lot of places.

I really hate people who have an idea of love and try to spread it as much as possible! Those kinds of people really deserve to die!

Oh wait. No I dont. Man wish I had the guts to go to as many places as possible to spread a message of love and take the chance at being called a dumbass.

Maybe I should go kill myself before I even think about passing on a peaceful message to others.

Inviolable,

The 'kill yourself and will yourself to rise from the dead and prove me wrong' was sardonic sarcasm, sir.
I do not of course wish for Frodo to kill himself.

I simply wish for Frodo to go get himself some professional psychological help, and to stop spamming hundreds and hundreds of websites with the same cut-and-paste message.

You guys on All Forums are a community of sorts, and you clearly hold each other accountable for your postings. Frodo is not accountable, and he is not a measurably-contributing member of this community. He haunts dozens, even hundreds of websites a day, he conducts these drive-by shootings of a fanatical Christian nature, and then he disappears.

Frodo doesn't hang around to make himself accountable, he isn't capable of engaging in any intelligent, coherent debate of any sort, and he only shows up every week or two, purely in order to revive a thread that was declared dead months before.

Do the websearch on this guy, and then decide whether you want to defend him.

Sparq

PS I am a person of faith by the way. But I consider my faith a gift of sort. Not one to be cheapened by broadcasting it from every streetcorner at the top of my lungs.

Basically, if I say something that you don't agree with you are going to call me names instead of debating the facts. That shows that you must not know what you are talking about. Also, which words did I spell wrong?

Think about this: If what I am saying if false, why does it seem to bother some so much? Could it be that what I am saying is true and it makes you uncomfortable? God just wants to help you, it's not about trying to anger you. Give God a chance. If I am crazy, then you have nothing to lose.

Give God a chance. If I am crazy, then you have nothing to lose.

I choose to believe in my invisible, silent, fat flying gnome that's magical. You should believe in him too, because if you don't then when you die you'll go to his special hell, but if you do believe in him you'll be reborn as a god.

What do you have to lose?

Frodo,

Listen to me;
I don't have a problem with the message.
I have a problem with the messenger. You.

My criticism of you and your obsessive posting habits is NOT the same thing as a criticism of faith, and people of faith.
I love God, and I believe in His son.

You on the other hand I do not believe in, because you have a screw loose. You need serious psychological help.

Just consider it, will you?
Lay off the internet for 30 days.
Go seek some counseling.

Tell the shrink that you troll hundreds and hundreds of websites on a daily basis, cutting and pasting the same message over and over again, and that you have been banned from nearly all of them for being a spammer and a disruptive presence.

You don't think this is a problem or an example of aberrant behavior obviously, but trust me, the psychologist will, and he or she can explain it to you.

You can get some help, and you can lead a normal life.
Please go get help.
Do it today.

Jesus loves you, really he does.
But the rest of us need a break, ok?

Or, as I posted earlier on one of the other websites that you trolled:

Brother Frodo,
Your faith is admirable, young sir.
It would be even more admirable if you could learn to keep it to yourself.

I mean, what's your point after all?
Do you earn some sort of special points for not only possessing a strong and un-wavering faith, but for also trying to convert others? Is there a special section up there in heaven reserved for those who have gone out of their way to pester others into thinking like they do?
Is that the deal?

If so, be careful what you wish for. You just might get it:

St. Peter: Ah, welcome to Heaven, Brother Frodo. It's wonderful to finally meet you. We've been waiting for you for a long, long time.

Frodo: Thank you, Saint Peter. The pleasure is all mine.

St. Peter: (Checking the holy clipboard) Ah, I see here that have earned enough points to achieve Gold Section status. You have a rare and unique faith, and you have endeavored to spread the word to many, many others.

Frodo: Gold Section?

St. Peter: That's right. You don't have to associate with all the common do-gooder riff-raff here on the ground floor of Heaven. You have a special place in Heaven reserved for you, upstairs.
Here, let me get the elevator door for you.

Frodo: (stepping inside and looking around) Wow, this is a really nice elevator.

St. Peter: Thanks, we just put this in last year. The Golden Staircase was getting too expensive to maintain, and anyway, who wants to walk when you can ride? Just push that button marked, 'Gold Section'.

Frodo: What's the deal with these other three buttons? 'Diamond Section', 'Platinum Section', and 'Penthouse'?

St. Peter: Ah, ha ha ha. Now Frodo, don't concern your self with that, just push the Gold button and go on upstairs.

Frodo: NO, REALLY. ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT YOU ARE SENDING ME TO THE RIGHT SECTION OF HEAVEN?

St. Peter: (sighs) Ok, ok. Calm down, here’s the deal; The Penthouse is obviously where The Father, The Son, and the Holy Ghost hang out.

Frodo: THE HOLY GHOST?

St. Peter: Yes, yes, the Holy Trinity, I’m sure you’re familiar with the concept. And say, did you realize that you are speaking in all Caps?

Frodo: OOPS. Sorry.

St. Peter: That’s better. Now, the Platinum Section is reserved for those who have a strong and un-wavering faith, a quiet humble demeanor, and who have converted literally hundreds to Christianity simply by their sterling and admirable example. They’ve lived an exemplary life, and they’ve been an inspiration to many, many of our humble and holy flock.

Frodo: AND THE DIAMOND SECTION?

St. Peter: You’re doing it again, you know.

Frodo: Sorry.

St. Peter: The Diamond Section is reserved for those who have a strong and un-wavering faith, a comparatively humble demeanor, and who have converted 10 or more people to Christianity simply by spreading a credible and palatable message of salvation and redemption.

Frodo: And the Gold Section?

St. Peter: Brother Frodo, that is where you are going. It’s a little more crowded up there, but I’m sure you’ll find many of your kind there, and you will all get along really well.

Frodo: My kind?

St. Peter: Yes, the Gold Section is inhabited with those who have a strong and un-wavering faith, an overbearing demeanor, and who have converted nine or less people to Christianity simply by beating them over the head with a repetitive and unrelenting message of hellfire and damnation.

Frodo: (crestfallen now) I’m overbearing?

St. Peter: Don’t take it so hard, kid. Overbearing’s just another way of saying you are Type-A. You know, driven. It’s not a bad thing, really. There are a lot of successful used-car salesmen in the Gold Section. Telemarketers, too.

Frodo: How could I have gotten to the Platinum or Diamond Section?

St. Peter: Well, to start with, you could’ve put a little more thought into your approach. Speak to people in a less rabid tone of voice. Stop standing on the street-corners and shouting your message at the top of your lungs. Stop handing out those poorly-drawn little tracts and booklets in public.
And stop invading internets sites and shoving your message, in ALL CAPS, down the throats of people who clearly aren’t receptive to your irritating manner and attitude.

Frodo: I’m irritating?

St. Peter: Yes, my son. I’m afraid you are. Here, I’m going to let you in on a little secret: Over 50% of the people you accosted on the internet were ALREADY saved. They already had it figured out. They believed in God, and they had already accepted Jesus Christ as their one true savior.

Frodo: So what you’re saying is, all those people who were hostile to me on all those websites, they weren’t disagreeing with my message….?

St. Peter: That’s right. They were disagreeing with the messenger.
Now, let’s get you on up to the Gold Section. It really is pretty nice, you know. We got a soft-serve ice cream maker up there, a water park, and you’ll be glad to know that we just put in a bowling alley.
And by the way, there’s a special friend of yours who is going to be SO happy to see you. Do you remember your best buddy from your childhood?
A sweet and genial little schnauzer who unfortunately got hit by a car when you were eleven?

Frodo: Petey’s up here?? Oh my gosh, I can’t wait to see him!!!

St. Peter: Excellent. (pushes the gold elevator button finally) Go in peace, my son. God bless you.

Frodo: Thank you! THANK YOU!!
(The doors close, and the elevator moves quietly upstairs.)

St. Peter: Yeah, what a dog that little Petey was. Always barking and yapping, yapping and barking. Drove the neighbors crazy. No wonder one of them finally ran him over just to get him to shut up.
Yep, that Petey is a real Gold Section kind of dog.

:rolleyes:

Well in that case all the atheist bad people were Christians just pretending. ;)

And I see you're up for a game of Hitler quote tennis.
Really was pretending hard, wasn't he?

No doubt this evidence - and the hundreds more quotes I could copy-paste - will make no dent in your views. But seriously, it would sound much more convincing if you conceded Hitler instead of pulling the No True Christian™ card.

In the future please focus more on those self-professed atheist maniacs. You won't find me pulling the No True Atheist™ card (though other atheists will and do).

Oh come on, you know I do not push the blame like that. I know there are several Christians who are assholes I'll be the first to admit it.

There are things no true Atheist would do, like worship God. Same with Christians. There are just somethings Christians will not do.

I am sure Hitler at times had to sound very profound when he said he was a Christian. He did after all have to motivate an entire nation into genocide.

The point is you have no proof he was a Christian for anything else other then to have a form of propaganda.

Inviolable,

The 'kill yourself and will yourself to rise from the dead and prove me wrong' was sardonic sarcasm, sir.
I do not of course wish for Frodo to kill himself.

I simply wish for Frodo to go get himself some professional psychological help, and to stop spamming hundreds and hundreds of websites with the same cut-and-paste message.

You guys on All Forums are a community of sorts, and you clearly hold each other accountable for your postings. Frodo is not accountable, and he is not a measurably-contributing member of this community. He haunts dozens, even hundreds of websites a day, he conducts these drive-by shootings of a fanatical Christian nature, and then he disappears.

Frodo doesn't hang around to make himself accountable, he isn't capable of engaging in any intelligent, coherent debate of any sort, and he only shows up every week or two, purely in order to revive a thread that was declared dead months before.

Do the websearch on this guy, and then decide whether you want to defend him.

Sparq

PS I am a person of faith by the way. But I consider my faith a gift of sort. Not one to be cheapened by broadcasting it from every streetcorner at the top of my lungs.


You believe in God and in his son?
You love them right?
So if someone, anyone is spreading Gods word anyway they can what is wrong with it?
My gift from God was the gift of life, if I can I will stand on every street corner and yell it in the hopes that someone else is listening and receives this life the same as I have.

Here's the problem with Frodo, sir.

He's hurting his own cause.

By being such a prolific and tireless website spammer, he actually turns people off to the concept of faith, and he validates their opinion that people of faith are kooks, jackasses, and zealots.

Do the web-search.
Really.
Google, "XFRODBAGGINSX, banned".

Post again if you still feel the same way.

Here's the problem with Frodo, sir.

He's hurting his own cause.

By being such a prolific and tireless website spammer, he actually turns people off to the concept of faith, and he validates their opinion that people of faith are kooks, jackasses, and zealots.

Do the web-search.
Really.
Google, "XFRODBAGGINSX, banned".

Post again if you still feel the same way.

While I can agree with you.
I look at it this way.
Every single person I have talked to on this forum is not wavering in their beliefs. I would dare say there are even some who already think Christians are kooks. :lolhit:

If anyone is going to listen to any of us, they will be unfamilar with the people who normaly post here.
So why not have some guy go around to as many places as possible and drop a word there. There may just be a chance a passer by will see it and and get interested.
Or it could be exactly as you said.
Either way we know Frodo is doing what he believes God wants him to do.

I say let him at it.