Registered Sex Offender Denied Ice Cream Truck Permit

West Haven - A West Haven man has been denied a permit to sell ice cream from a truck because he's a registered sex offender. However, he's now appealing that decision.

24-year old Erdal Sahin has already bought the truck and now he needs a permit and license. He wants to serve ice cream to children in his neighborhood, but West Haven police say he should not have a permit because he is a sex offender.

Chief Ronald Quagliani says it's their job to do a background check on everyone who applies for a permit or license, and when they ran a check on Sahin they found he has been convicted of rape.

Three years ago he was arrested for sexually assaulting a woman in a car that was parked behind a restaurant in Naugatuck, a restaurant that is owned by his family.

Sahin is currently on the sex offender register. On May 6th of this year he submitted his application and two days alter, the chief sent a letter saying the permit was being denied.

When Eyewitness News went to Sahin's home in West Haven we were told he had no comment.

Sahin is appealing to the common council and it will be up to them whether he should have a permit or not.

http://www.wfsb.com/Global/story.asp?S=5032583

He shouldn't get his permit.

Also he should he hanged in the town square.

Unbelievable !!!

Pathetic........

String the bastard up in the town square and let the birds peck him to death.

Guys like that should need a permit to breath.

A permit that should be swiftly denied.

Three years ago he was arrested for sexually assaulting a woman in a car that was parked behind a restaurant in Naugatuck, a restaurant that is owned by his family. So he was arrested and convicted of rape, and only three years later he's a free man trying to sell ice cream. There's something very wrong with that picture.

So he was arrested and convicted of rape, and only three years later he's a free man trying to sell ice cream. There's something very wrong with that picture.

You're right, there is. The article linked to says he was arrested for "rape" but doesn't say he was convicted.

From another article.

Sahin plead guilty in 2005 to third degree sexual assault. News Channel 8 obtained the
Naugatuck police report where a 20-year old co-worker claimed Sahin plied her
with alcohol and assaulted her.

He was put on ten years probation.

This guy may not be the world's best citizen, but he isn't public enemy #1 either.

http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=5028168

So he was arrested and convicted of rape, and only three years later he's a free man trying to sell ice cream. There's something very wrong with that picture.

Yeah that's kinda creepy there..

Then again, I don't trust MY community's ice cream man either...

Sahin plead guilty in 2005 to third degree sexual assault. News Channel 8 obtained the
Naugatuck police report where a 20-year old co-worker claimed Sahin plied her
with alcohol and assaulted her.

He was put on ten years probation.

This guy may not be the world's best citizen, but he isn't public enemy #1 either.Yes, but just probation and no jail time at all? That's way too lenient for sexual assault of any kind.

This points out one of the problems with our present rape laws. We don't differentiate between degrees of rape. Being raped is not like being pregnant. There can be degrees.

If you forcibly rape someone that is actual rape. If an adult drinks too much and goes to bed with you and then screams rape in the morning because she has second thoughts that should not be rape. Three years ago a twenty one year old male was drinking with a twenty year old woman. She got drunk and decided it would be a good idea to have sex. Later, when she realized what she had done she accused the young man of raping her by what we now term nebulously, date rape.

I seriously doubt that twenty one year old Erdal Sahin held the woman's nose and poured alcohol down her throat until she became drunk so that he could have his way with her. She drank the alcohol willingly and then used this willing drinking of a substance known to lower inhibitions and distort judgement to accuse the man of raping her.

If the facts of the case are true he is not some sort of dangerous sexual predator and should be granted the license to sell ice cream.

This entire date rape thing is a bunch of crap and should be scrapped.

Yes, but just probation and no jail time at all? That's way too lenient for sexual assault of any kind.

To be honest Jester I wasn't trying to comment on his sentence. I was just trying to point out that the authors of the first article chose to use the word "rape" instead of "third-degree sexual assault" because it makes the story that much more juicy.

This points out one of the problems with our present rape laws. We don't differentiate between degrees of rape. Being raped is not like being pregnant. There can be degrees.

If you forcibly rape someone that is actual rape. If an adult drinks too much and goes to bed with you and then screams rape in the morning because she has second thoughts that should not be rape. Three years ago a twenty one year old male was drinking with a twenty year old woman. She got drunk and decided it would be a good idea to have sex. Later, when she realized what she had done she accused the young man of raping her by what we now term nebulously, date rape.

I seriously doubt that twenty one year old Erdal Sahin held the woman's nose and poured alcohol down her throat until she became drunk so that he could have his way with her. She drank the alcohol willingly and then used this willing drinking of a substance known to lower inhibitions and distort judgement to accuse the man of raping her.

If the facts of the case are true he is not some sort of dangerous sexual predator and should be granted the license to sell ice cream.

This entire date rape thing is a bunch of crap and should be scrapped.

I totally disagree. There will always be false accusations for any crime. The amount of false acusations of rape are negligable compared to the actual instances of rape. Raping a girl you are on a date with is no different than dragging somebody off the street. It's still rape & there are no degrees of it - it either is rape or it isn't. If a girl gets so drunk she agrees to anything that that isn't rape.

The reality is that very few rape victims ever come forward because the proving it is not easy. Your notion of scrapping 'date rape' as a crime would only make that even more a problem & effectively create a green light for women to be raped if they are on a date.

Drew,

I am not talking about a man who forcibly rapes a girl on a date. I am talking about what happened in this case. Two people were drinking and got drunk. They had sex. The girl woke up in the morning and though, Oh, no! What did I do? She then accused the guy of getting her drunk and having sex with her. Unless he snuck a rufie in her drink he didn't get her drunk, she got herself drunk.

How would you view the situation if you had a son who had sex with a girl he met at a bar and was then convicted of rape because she said she was drunk at the time? Girls who drink should have to live with the consequences of that drinking and not ba allowed to cry rape.

Apparently he needs to find a different line of work. Most folks just don't want Chester the Molester driving through their neighborhoods & interacting with their offspring. Maybe the letter of the law doesn't fit this guy, the spirit of it does.

Drew,

I am not talking about a man who forcibly rapes a girl on a date. I am talking about what happened in this case. Two people were drinking and got drunk. They had sex. The girl woke up in the morning and though, Oh, no! What did I do? She then accused the guy of getting her drunk and having sex with her. Unless he snuck a rufie in her drink he didn't get her drunk, she got herself drunk.

How would you view the situation if you had a son who had sex with a girl he met at a bar and was then convicted of rape because she said she was drunk at the time? Girls who drink should have to live with the consequences of that drinking and not ba allowed to cry rape.

I agree that your example wasn't rape, but you used your example as a recommendation that 'date rape' should be scrapped as a possible criminal charge. I wasn't disagreeing with your example - just how you used the example.

And as for the icecream man wanna be - he raped some woman, he's a deviant. You have to be a deviant to rape a woman. He has no business being around kids. Application denied.

Drew, you say he raped a women. I say two drunk kids fucked and the girl was pissed with herself in the morning.

Date rape is one of those crimes that in most cases cannot be proven. It boils down to he said, she said. If a man forces a woman to have sex that is rape. If a man gives a woman a drug without her knowledge and then has sex with her that is rape. If a woman drinks too much and gets drunk and thinks screwing this guy is a good idea and then wakes up in the morning with second thoughts about what she did that is not rape.

There should be rape and not rape. Date rape is a phony crime.

Drew, you say he raped a women. I say two drunk kids fucked and the girl was pissed with herself in the morning.

Date rape is one of those crimes that in most cases cannot be proven. It boils down to he said, she said. If a man forces a woman to have sex that is rape. If a man gives a woman a drug without her knowledge and then has sex with her that is rape. If a woman drinks too much and gets drunk and thinks screwing this guy is a good idea and then wakes up in the morning with second thoughts about what she did that is not rape.

There should be rape and not rape. Date rape is a phony crime.

Date rape isn't a phoney crime at all. Almost all rape occurs when the people know each other. Rape also isn't about drunken sex - it's about violence.

Your notions are No.1 miss-informed and No.2 are a green light for rape to occur.

Date rape isn't a phoney crime at all. Almost all rape occurs when the people know each other. Rape also isn't about drunken sex - it's about violence.

Your notions are No.1 miss-informed and No.2 are a green light for rape to occur.
Sometimes rape is "he said, she said".

A friend of mine was listed in the newspapers as molesting his grandson and he went to court several times before his son's ex-wife admited that she brought up the charge so that granpa couldn't see his 6 year old anymore.

Date rape is a crime when the man sets out to get the woman intoxicated by false means, ie, drugs, Mickey Finns.

However, hard to prove unless there's witnesses or proof of such drugs in toxology tests.

Really hard to prove when the woman gets intoxicated on her own.

In that case, there would have to be proof of force being used.

Women just have to be more careful and use a little common sense in these matters.

All crimes can be he said she said. That doesn't mean we should simply eliminate all crimes.

A friend of mine was listed in the newspapers as molesting his grandson and he went to court several times before his son's ex-wife admited that she brought up the charge so that granpa couldn't see his 6 year old anymore.

Nice lady.

Sadly, this kind of thing is quite common.
It will come back to her, you may rest assured.

All crimes can be he said she said. That doesn't mean we should simply eliminate all crimes.

That is probably why in centurys past people called for God to be the all knowing judge. But sadly we have learned that there is no God and if there is then he doesn't come down here to settle petty or major crimes.

I think we have a great justice system for rooting out the truth but we just can't expect to recieve perfect justice in life. A slick lawyer can make the victim become the villian and vice versa.

My wife watches murder detective shows all the time, I like them because justice is always served in the last 5 minutes.

Drew,

No one is saying eliminate any crimes. Changing the description from date rape to rape would be appropriate.

There are actual rapes that occur on dates. Men forcibly have sex with a woman. Men drug the woman. Men slip Mickey's to the woman as rendova said. Those are cases of rape, not date rape.

Date rape usually describes a case where a woman was not forced to have sex but later feels she really didn't mean it when she said yes either because she felt pressured or she was drunk or high.

Men have always pressured women to have sex. They have also pleaded and cajoled women to have sex. This is not a crime.

Men and women drink and do drugs. When under the influence of either inhibitions are lessened and people do things they might not otherwise do. If a woman gets drunk and has sexual relations with a man and then wakes up in the morning and is disgusted with herself for what she did it is not the man's fault but her own. She should have stayed sober. Accusing a man of rape when the partner is willing should not be allowed no matter how ashamed of or angry over her actions a woman is.

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If you forcibly rape someone that is actual rape. If an adult drinks too much and goes to bed with you and then screams rape in the morning because she has second thoughts that should not be rape. Three years ago a twenty one year old male was drinking with a twenty year old woman. She got drunk and decided it would be a good idea to have sex. Later, when she realized what she had done she accused the young man of raping her by what we now term nebulously, date rape.

I think that he should be refused for his permit. Rapists should get permanent jail time or the oppisite of life :rolleyes: And as for date rape, Frogger not all women are like that and have actually had date rape happen to them. You make it sound like we ask for it. No woman or man asks to be raped. Ever heard the term that no means no. You do know that there is such thing as the date rape drug. You might want to look up the definition of rape in the dictonary.

I think that sex offenders should be refused in society. Its a good thing that he didn't get the permit. Especially when he is working around children in an ice cream truck. I would not be letting my child near that truck. It was his choice to commit those crimes and now he is suffering for it. I certainly don't feel sorry for him. Too bad he did not get the death penalty. They can't commit crimes like that and then expect society to help them with an open hand.

The death penalty for rapists is extreme and unconstitutional, ie, cruel and unusual punishment that does not match the severity of the crime.

Capital punishment should be reserved for only the most heinous of crimes.

However, there's a statute up for consideration in South Carolina, I believe, that will make it a capital offense if the offender rapes a young child more than once.

More on what's brewing in South Calinky.

http://sentencing.typepad.com/sentencing_law_and_policy/2006/04/south_carolina_.html

If this passes, I'd still imagine it'll eventually overturned by the US Supreme Court-- a life sentence would be sufficient in these particular circumstances--the idea is, to get them off the streets, permanently, not necessarily execution.

For the record, Frogger, I'm in your corner.

Jadestone, not everything is a personal attack. Frogger isn't a rapist, and neither am I. That being said, women have been known to distort the truth for many reasons. Whether because of jealousy, anger, or simply a vindictive nature, it matters not. Most date rape charges (outside of forcibly manhandling a woman or slipping her a Mick) are bullshit, period. It's another way for "poor, mistreated, underpaid, over-worked, sexually-harassed" women to leverage power over a man. I mean, let's be honest, all she has to do is scream and point a finger, and that dude's screwed for life.

This'll never happen, but if a woman falsely accuses a man of a crime (rape) he did not commit, she ought to receive some serious jail time.

Maybe that'd stop this kind of senselsess crap from cluttering up our courts so they can't deal with REAL crime.

This'll never happen, but if a woman falsely accuses a man of a crime (rape) he did not commit, she ought to receive some serious jail time.

Maybe that'd stop this kind of senselsess crap from cluttering up our courts so they can't deal with REAL crime.

How serious are you talking about?

Perhaps commensurate with the sentence the man would have received if convicted.

There have been a few cases of women getting in trouble for falsely accusing and receiving punishment but as far as I know, they received either a minimal sentence or NO sentence.

Here's a link about a woman who falsely accused her ex of rape and was sentenced to 3 years for perjury.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9357701

Most likely, she'll serve at most a year and a half.

Much, much less than what the man would have served if convicted of this very serious felony-rape.

Perhaps commensurate with the sentence the man would have received if convicted.

There have been a few cases of women getting in trouble for falsely accusing and receiving punishment but as far as I know, they received either a minimal sentence or NO sentence.
Fully agreed, Ren.

Date rape usually describes a case where a woman was not forced to have sex but later feels she really didn't mean it when she said yes either because she felt pressured or she was drunk or high.

Where's your data to back up this claim? I don't think it's based in much fact. It takes a lot for a woman to go and claim she was raped. Undoubtedly there are some false accusations, but you seem to assume that false accusations are the norm. That seems a highly unlikely and quite dangerous assumption.

If you forcibly rape someone that is actual rape. If an adult drinks too much and goes to bed with you and then screams rape in the morning because she has second thoughts that should not be rape. Three years ago a twenty one year old male was drinking with a twenty year old woman. She got drunk and decided it would be a good idea to have sex. Later, when she realized what she had done she accused the young man of raping her by what we now term nebulously, date rape.

I think that he should be refused for his permit. Rapists should get permanent jail time or the oppisite of life And as for date rape, Frogger not all women are like that and have actually had date rape happen to them. You make it sound like we ask for it. No woman or man asks to be raped. Ever heard the term that no means no. You do know that there is such thing as the date rape drug. You might want to look up the definition of rape in the dictonary.


You seem to want to have it both ways, jadestone24. First you say that if a woman has too much to drink and goes to bed with someone she should not be allowed to scream rape in the morning. You even give an example of a young man this happened to.

Next you go into something about no meaning no. We are not talking about when the woman says no but when the woman says yes and then changes her mind after the fact. If a woman gets drunk (of her own volition) and has sex that is nor date rape or any other kind of rape.

Perhaps it is you who should go to the dictionary and look up the definition of rape.


Drew, According to the case of the young man in question the woman was drunk, had sex with him and then said that because she was drunk it was rape. I disagree. I think the woman was an adult and freely partook of the alcohol. Alcohol lowers inhibitions and she screwed the guy. Later she thought she had made a poor choice and screamed rape. There is no way he raped her. She got drunk. He wanted sex. She complied. The next day she screamed rape. That is bullshit.

Drew, According to the case of the young man in question the woman was drunk, had sex with him and then said that because she was drunk it was rape. I disagree. I think the woman was an adult and freely partook of the alcohol. Alcohol lowers inhibitions and she screwed the guy. Later she thought she had made a poor choice and screamed rape. There is no way he raped her. She got drunk. He wanted sex. She complied. The next day she screamed rape. That is bullshit.

Can anyone really disagree with this? Consensual sex is still consensual if she is drunk and agrees.

Drew, According to the case of the young man in question the woman was drunk, had sex with him and then said that because she was drunk it was rape. I disagree. I think the woman was an adult and freely partook of the alcohol. Alcohol lowers inhibitions and she screwed the guy. Later she thought she had made a poor choice and screamed rape. There is no way he raped her. She got drunk. He wanted sex. She complied. The next day she screamed rape. That is bullshit.

I've already said that I agree with you 100% on that. This woman wasn't raped, but as far as women that come forward & claim rape this isn't very common. It takes a lot for a woman to cry rape for the reasons you outline.

You can't take 1 example and say that is the norm. It plainly is not the norm at all. If a woman comes forward & claims rape then there is a pretty high likelyhood that she isn't crying foul. Most women never come forward because of attitudes like yours. You make the man the victim based off 1 example. Your example isn't the norm. There is no need to keep repeating it - it isn't proof of anything beyond a proof of your stereotypes.

Can anyone really disagree with this? Consensual sex is still consensual if she is drunk and agrees.

And agrees? The man could always lie.

Men can and do lie.

So do women.

The only way to be really sure, before you put someone in the Big House for 15-20 years breaking up rocks, is with evidence...and even THAT can be tampered with.

Lord, it's a mess sometimes.

You seem to want to have it both ways, jadestone24. First you say that if a woman has too much to drink and goes to bed with someone she should not be allowed to scream rape in the morning. You even give an example of a young man this happened to.

If you forcibly rape someone that is actual rape. If an adult drinks too much and goes to bed with you and then screams rape in the morning because she has second thoughts that should not be rape. Three years ago a twenty one year old male was drinking with a twenty year old woman. She got drunk and decided it would be a good idea to have sex. Later, when she realized what she had done she accused the young man of raping her by what we now term nebulously, date rape.


How nice of you to try and pin that one on me frogger? Maybe you need to go back and read what you originally posted. I would never condone someone falsely accusing some one of rape. If they gave consent for a person to have sex with them and that person thinks that it was a mistake later. There is no way that they have the right to scream rape. The second paragraph was my post. And as a matter of fact I know there have been cases where the accused was innocent. That is no reason for you to try and pin your opinion on me when it was you that posted that.:bombout: