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gmsisko1
06-15-2006, 07:35 AM
I really don't understand the liberal mind set.
They think it's okay to kill an un-born child.
They think it's okay to kill an adult.
They will fight for the rights of the murder. (sometimes at the expense of the victom)
They will fight for the rights of the terrorists.
They will not fight for the rights for those in the US millitary.
This may not be true about all liberals, but it is true about most.



Brain-damaged, not Brain-dead: The Autopsy Report of Terri Schiavo
By Charles Colson
Prison Fellowship




– Recently, I told you about Michael Schiavo's new book, Terri: The Truth. I compared reading the book to "falling down Alice 's rabbit hole and ending up in a new and bizarre world." This world is "a scary place" where "survival of the fittest" is taken to a whole new level—a world that Christians must never stop fighting against.

Now, I stand by everything that I said about Michael Schiavo's book, but there's something that I said about his late wife that I need to take back. I'm embarrassed, not only because of the mistake I made, but also because I was had and should have known better.

In the earlier commentary I said that "the autopsy showed that [Terri] had been brain-dead." This "finding" did not affect my belief that it was wrong to take her life. My concern from the beginning was with the process we followed and its implications for the sanctity of human life.

My calling Terri "brain-dead" was based on what the media said about the autopsy. For instance, MSNBC began its report this way: "an autopsy on Terri Schiavo backed her husband's contention that she was in a persistent vegetative state . . ."

Well, I should have known better than to take the media's word. Terri's brother, Michael Schindler, thanked me for the commentary but drew my attention to what the autopsy report actually said.

That report said that there was no evidence that Terri suffered, as had been widely reported, from an eating disorder. The medical examiners were unable to determine what caused the heart attack that left her brain-damaged.

Damaged , not dead. In fact, the autopsy report referred to her receiving morphine, which would not have been necessary if she were brain-dead or in a persistent vegetative state. The report, while it noted "severe brain damage," said nothing about Terri being in a persistent vegetative state.

What's more, persistent vegetative state is a clinical diagnosis, made through observation and, as such, is a matter of interpretation. So reports like MSNBC's were, at best, highly misleading. If she had not been deliberately starved, Terri, in the estimate of the medical examiner, "could have lived easily for another decade . . ."

As bioethicist C. Ben Mitchell puts it, the autopsy confirmed "our worst fears." Terri didn't die from any illness but "at the hands of her husband and his lawyers."

As I said, I'm embarrassed about this mistake, but more than that I am angry. It's not enough that the legal process sentenced her to death, but the media deliberately or negligently got the circumstances of both her life and her death wrong.

As a result, the "culture of death" has taken several steps forward. Instead of giving life the benefit of the doubt, we are all-too-ready to choose death.

As Mitchell said, "Terri Schiavo should be alive today and in the loving embrace of her parents." Instead, she has become a symbol of the "scary place" our culture is headed: a place where everybody is on the lookout for signs of death, not life. And as for those who defended Terri Schiavo and have been pilloried in the media, well, in the cold light of day, we now know we were right after all.




http://www.sptimes.com/2005/06/15/schiavoreport.pdf


http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/biblestudyandtheology/perspectives/colson_schiavo0606.aspx

BorgHunter
06-15-2006, 09:10 AM
Old news. It's really not an issue anymore. And yes, the woman was dead.

gmsisko1
06-15-2006, 09:13 AM
She was not brain dead.

She was dead after they starved her to death.


Old news. It's really not an issue anymore. And yes, the woman was dead.

BorgHunter
06-15-2006, 09:15 AM
I vote I close this thread on the grounds that there's nothing more to say on the subject, and it's highly disrespectful of the dead to argue about this again. All in favor?

gmsisko1
06-15-2006, 09:23 AM
okay okay, take the easy way out if you wish.


I vote I close this thread on the grounds that there's nothing more to say on the subject, and it's highly disrespectful of the dead to argue about this again. All in favor?

500lbguerilla
06-15-2006, 01:23 PM
This just in "Kicked horse, not dead"!!!!

DanF
06-15-2006, 01:59 PM
Fine with me to close it. Nothing to be gained.

Vilepagan
06-15-2006, 05:19 PM
I really don't understand the liberal mind set.
They think it's okay to kill an un-born child.
They think it's okay to kill an adult.
They will fight for the rights of the murder. (sometimes at the expense of the victom)
They will fight for the rights of the terrorists.
They will not fight for the rights for those in the US millitary.
This may not be true about all liberals, but it is true about most.


You are right about one thing. You don't understand the liberal mindset. You should stop trying, it's rather painful to watch.

dnamertz
06-15-2006, 06:21 PM
I really don't understand the liberal mind set.
They think it's okay to kill an un-born child.
They think it's okay to kill an adult.
They will fight for the rights of the murder. (sometimes at the expense of the victom)
They will fight for the rights of the terrorists.
They will not fight for the rights for those in the US millitary.
This may not be true about all liberals, but it is true about most.


Much of that is incorrect, but the most incorrect part is the final statement...that is only true about a MINORITY of liberals.

On the flip side, whats up with the conservative mind set?

They want to force women to give birth against their will.
They think it's okay to kill an adult.
They want to force the terminally ill to suffer longer.
They want people in the military to be sent to their death.
They're more concerned about the rich getting tax breaks than they are about the lower class.

DrewM
06-15-2006, 06:54 PM
Nobody stopped her eating. She was free to order up whatever food she wanted.

Freethinker
06-15-2006, 07:22 PM
Schiavo Not Brain Dead.

Too bad the same cannot be said about you.

:lolhit: :cool: :lolhit:

BorgHunter
06-15-2006, 09:33 PM
Nobody stopped her eating. She was free to order up whatever food she wanted.
Wow, that was awesome, Drew. :banana:

Jester
06-15-2006, 10:58 PM
On the flip side, whats up with the conservative mind set?

They want to force women to give birth against their will.
They think it's okay to kill an adult.
They want to force the terminally ill to suffer longer.
They want people in the military to be sent to their death.
They're more concerned about the rich getting tax breaks than they are about the lower class.You forgot the disclaimer:
"This may not be true about all conservatives, but it is true about most."

That statement will allow you to deflect any and all counter-arguments.

boykorda
06-16-2006, 03:56 PM
So now D Dubya I is making fun of the blind.
No, Mr. President. The sun was out.
That was just the dark cloud over your big, stupid head. Get a clue.
And isn't it funny how these filthy politicians are going to determine for us what's indecent and offensive.
What do they think this is, 1962, when the whole family ate dinner together and then all gathered around to watch Mr. Ed or whatever? If that ideal ever existed, it's long gone, and it's not coming back any more than all the good jobs sent overseas during the Bush years. I don't care who they kill in Iraq.
Well, they've shredded the rest of the Bill of Rights. Might as well throw in the one about excessive fines. How'd they miss that?
Whatever happened to letting the marketplace work it out? Remember that, GOP? I guess that's down the crapper if it means protecting the innocence of our children. As if they never grow up. As if there's no HBO or internet where they can find naked people and hear nasty words.
Memo to the GOP and the F'nCC::upyours: :upyours: :upyours:

es347fan
06-16-2006, 05:16 PM
This POTUS may be guilty of many things ... but everyone is permitted honest mistakes. Think for a moment - how many times do you see any member of the press wearing shades when they're speaking to him? With it being such a rare occasion, does it not almost demand comment? He did make a personal apology to the journalist, and that was the end of it.

Why attempt to make an issue out of it?

500lbguerilla
06-16-2006, 05:42 PM
Why attempt to make an issue out of it?I think its related to the fact that the Busheviks havev shown that they don't give a damn about breaking laws, military dead etc so the left is scambling to see if the can nail him for anything, even stuff that should be non-issue.

LionelHutz
06-16-2006, 09:07 PM
So now D Dubya I is making fun of the blind.


There are few things more annoying than someone who insists on being offended for someone else - in this case a reporter who says he wasn't offended.

Freethinker
06-16-2006, 11:14 PM
This POTUS may be guilty of many things ... but everyone is permitted honest mistakes.

Well...........yeah. Everyone is permitted honest mistakes.

Unless the POTUS --in a manner most "e-ville"-- sticks his penis in the "wrong" place.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

The Praetorian
06-17-2006, 06:45 PM
Nobody stopped her eating. She was free to order up whatever food she wanted.
LOL.

That was pretty good, Drew... :)

Brooks
06-17-2006, 07:24 PM
Why attempt to make an issue out of it?Because he has nothing else.

BK, I give you the Thread-Drift Award.

gmsisko1
06-19-2006, 07:25 AM
You too oh free thinking one you too!

Too bad the same cannot be said about you.

:lolhit: :cool: :lolhit: