What I am saying is that it is foolish for me to argue with someone who throws out facts and pretends that his own mind is perfect judgement. You want the US to do things that endanger the lives of American soldiers and the goals of battle against terrorist that want to destroy the USA. That is what a liberal is.

No, I want the US to act right. You want the US to act no differently than Hussain because you believe the ends justify the means. I am sure Hussain, Hitler and others justified their actions too in the same way you justify things.

Right is right, wrong is wrong. Abusing human rights is wrong.

If you believe that, I'll pose the same challenge to you...

Please post one article or statement by a "liberal" writer extolling his love for the terrorists or voicing a desire that the US lose the war. If you can't manage it, I respectfully suggest that your "sub-set" is imaginary.

This board is full of postings by people who want to hamstring Bush in his attempt to protect the USA and its citizens. The prisoners at guantanamo is a fine example. These are hard line Jihadist that have been removed as a threat to USA and it's troops but you want to set them free to set up upon us again.

You are so determined to only do the right thing and be more moral than your enemy that if a rapist was raping and cutting your wifes throat and you had a gun in your hand, you wouldn't pull the trigger for fear of becoming like the rapist and if he approached you for the gun then you would give it to him before you would lower yourself to murder.

That is being so liberal that the brains literally fall out.

This board is full of postings by people who want to hamstring Bush in his attempt to protect the USA and its citizens.I want to hamstring this President's attempts to circumvent the Constitution, as should any freedom-loving American.The prisoners at guantanamo is a fine example. These are hard line Jihadist that have been removed as a threat to USA and it's troops but you want to set them free to set up upon us again.This has been posted before, but either you never read it or chose not to comprehend it:

Writers jailed in 2002 for political satire
After three years at Guantanamo, Afghan writers found to be no threat to United States
BY JAMES RUPERT
STAFF CORRESPONDENT

October 31, 2005

PESHAWAR, Pakistan -- Badr Zaman Badr and his brother Abdurrahim Muslim Dost relish writing a good joke that jabs a corrupt politician or distills the sufferings of fellow Afghans. Badr admires the political satires in "The Canterbury Tales" and "Gulliver's Travels," and Dost wrote some wicked lampoons in the 1990s, accusing Afghan mullahs of growing rich while preaching and organizing jihad. So in 2002, when the U.S. military shackled the writers and flew them to Guantanamo among prisoners whom Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declared "the worst of the worst" violent terrorists, the brothers found life imitating farce.

For months, grim interrogators grilled them over a satirical article Dost had written in 1998, when the Clinton administration offered a $5-million reward for Osama bin Laden. Dost responded that Afghans put up 5 million Afghanis -- equivalent to $113 -- for the arrest of President Bill Clinton.

"It was a lampoon ... of the poor Afghan economy" under the Taliban, Badr recalled. The article carefully instructed Afghans how to identify Clinton if they stumbled upon him. "It said he was clean-shaven, had light-colored eyes and he had been seen involved in a scandal with Monica Lewinsky," Badr said.

The interrogators, some flown down from Washington, didn't get the joke, he said. "Again and again, they were asking questions about this article. We had to explain that this was a satire." He paused. "It was really pathetic."

It took the brothers three years to convince the Americans that they posed no threat to Clinton or the United States, and to get released -- a struggle that underscores the enormous odds weighing against innocent foreign Muslims caught in America's military prisons.

In recent months, scores of Afghans interviewed by Newsday -- including a dozen former U.S. prisoners, plus human rights officials and senior Afghan security officials -- said the United States is detaining enough innocent Afghans in its war against the Taliban and al-Qaida that it is seriously undermining popular support for its presence in Afghanistan.

Rest of article (http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-wobadr094492447oct31,0,1261397.story?coll=ny-worldnews-headlines).

I recommend in the strongest terms that you read the rest of the story. Not everyone incarcerated in Guantanamo is a 'Jihadist'.You are so determined to only do the right thing and be more moral than your enemy that if a rapist was raping and cutting your wifes throat and you had a gun in your hand, you wouldn't pull the trigger for fear of becoming like the rapist and if he approached you for the gun then you would give it to him before you would lower yourself to murder.

That is being so liberal that the brains literally fall out.These ridiculous statements only show how badly you have to lie to yourself to maintain the illustion that you are right. That's about all the comment they deserve.

This board is full of postings by people who want to hamstring Bush in his attempt to protect the USA and its citizens. The prisoners at guantanamo is a fine example. These are hard line Jihadist that have been removed as a threat to USA and it's troops but you want to set them free to set up upon us again.

Show me 1 time anybody has said set them free. People who rightly question Gitmo - want them to be tried and the guilty locked up or executed if appropriate. The issue is we are holding them without trial or recourse. Just exactly like Hussain did with his prisoners. The issue is the ends don't justify the means. Nobody has ever said 'set them free'. Why do you choose wrong over right? and why are you ok with that?

You are so determined to only do the right thing and be more moral than your enemy that if a rapist was raping and cutting your wifes throat and you had a gun in your hand, you wouldn't pull the trigger for fear of becoming like the rapist and if he approached you for the gun then you would give it to him before you would lower yourself to murder.

That is being so liberal that the brains literally fall out.

Wow. Your stupidity apparently has no limits. How could any intelligent person write or believe something like that? It blows my mind. Sorry - but I am absolutely convinced that you are an utter & complete moron after reading that.

This board is full of postings by people who want to hamstring Bush in his attempt to protect the USA and its citizens. The prisoners at guantanamo is a fine example. These are hard line Jihadist that have been removed as a threat to USA and it's troops but you want to set them free to set up upon us again.

You are so determined to only do the right thing and be more moral than your enemy that if a rapist was raping and cutting your wifes throat and you had a gun in your hand, you wouldn't pull the trigger for fear of becoming like the rapist and if he approached you for the gun then you would give it to him before you would lower yourself to murder.

That is being so liberal that the brains literally fall out.

Hard for me to top the response this garbage has gotten so far.

Since you brought up other people's posts, why don't you quote some of them to back up your bizarre assertions.

Quote anyone who said they thought we should free the people at Gitmo unilaterally.

Show me a post that led you to believe I would hand a gun to a rapist/murderer.

I think you've been hitting the sauce.

You are the most perfect example of a brainwashed fanatic I have seen in a while.

I agree.

He and a couple of other here (gmsisko and slim come to mind) are incessant apologists for the wrong-headed policies and actions of the current Administration.

No matter what Mr Bush and his neocon friends do, these useful idiots think it is ---automatically-- pefectly moral and perfectly justifiable.

Frighteningly, they exemplify an all too common mindset; -- the unrelenting, willfully blind --"My country right or wrong!"-- worldview that many other millions of rightwingers in America possess.

They demonstrate what America has (sickeningly) transmogrified into under extreme rightwing leadership, and finally, why this country is on a downhill slide into oblivion.

They demonstrate what America has (sickeningly) transmogrified into under extreme rightwing leadership, and finally, why this country is on a downhill slide into oblivion.

Sadly, this sounds startlingly like sisko.

PEOPLE LIKE YOU WILL SPELL THE DEMISE OF OUR GREAT NATION.

Same message, different target.

Sadly, this sounds startlingly like sisko. Same message, different target.

The huge difference is that gmsisko is accusing people --the dreaded "liiiibrulls"--- who have virtually zero say so in the running of the government of the country's current downhill slide.

I -----OTOH--- am talking about the extreme RIGHTwingers who are running the country as we speak, and who CAN and HAVE been demonstrated to have weakened the country, made it less safe, less secure, less strong economically, (to put it mildly) and who are in the process of BANKRUPTING the country in the carrying out of their agenda of **everything to the rich, and fuck the People**.

Additionally, old-reb (echoed by others) makes unsubstantiated claims such as -- "you liberals love the terrorists", ... and "well, you liberals want the US to lose the war".

When called upon to provide ONE iota of evidence for these claims, they quietly withdraw, evidently to dream up some other nonsensical assertion.

I guess my point is that extremism on one side is often echoed by the extremism from the other. No doubt sisko and reb would not like the comparison either. I would also add that finger-pointing by both sides is a waste of time.

This thing just keeps on going & going ......


Investigation: Gitmo inmates had help with suicides

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) -- An investigation into three apparent suicides at the Guantanamo Bay prison has found that other detainees may have helped the men hang themselves or were planning to kill themselves too.
Authorities who searched other detainees' cells after the three were found hanged discovered instructions on tying knots, along with several notes in Arabic that were "relevant" to an investigation of a possible broader plot, officials said in court papers filed late Friday in Washington.

Saturday, July 8, 2006 (http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/07/08/guantanamo.suicides.ap/index.html)

This thing just keeps on going & going ......


Investigation: Gitmo inmates had help with suicides

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) -- An investigation into three apparent suicides at the Guantanamo Bay prison has found that other detainees may have helped the men hang themselves or were planning to kill themselves too.
Authorities who searched other detainees' cells after the three were found hanged discovered instructions on tying knots, along with several notes in Arabic that were "relevant" to an investigation of a possible broader plot, officials said in court papers filed late Friday in Washington.

Saturday, July 8, 2006 (http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/07/08/guantanamo.suicides.ap/index.html)

Which proves what? That er...they killed themselves?

Which proves what? That er...they killed themselves?I think it proves that the suicides were premeditated. :eek:

All suicides are premeditated.

Exactly my point. :)

Acts of desperation? Not quite.

Acts of desperation? Not quite.

Whatever their reasons - we can only speculate. The issue remains though that the instant conclusion of "this was an act of war" was a blatant & patently moronic attempt by the Gitmo commanders to change the issue. It seems like you fell for it hook line & sinker. Ra Ra Ra!

It's really unfortunate that you refuse to accept what's right in front of you. Apparently you discount their resolve.

I think it even more unfortunate that an intelligent guy like you can be such a sucker for propganda.

ES - please explain how suicide could EVER not be an act of desperation...I await with bated breath.