I am so sick of everyone bad mouthing Paganism. I walk around with my pentacle around my neck and people are screaming at me that I am satan's child. Maybe they need to pick up a book and inform themselves that Paganism is not satanic and that we do look down on people who practice satanism. I don't judge other people by their religion. SO why should other people have the right to do it to me. Paganism is very nature based religion. Is it not ok to love nature?:drinktoth

Maybe they need to pick up a book and inform themselves that Paganism is not satanic and that we do look down on people who practice satanism. I don't judge other people by their religion. SO why should other people have the right to do it to me. Paganism is very nature based religion. Is it not ok to love nature?
You don't judge people by their religion, but look down on Satanists?

And if you are wholly convinced that there is an afterlife that is not physical reincarnation, that your deity will come and destroy the world one day and save the believers, you could say that loving nature isn't a high priority.

You don't judge people by their religion, but look down on Satanists?

And if you are wholly convinced that there is an afterlife that is not physical reincarnation, that your deity will come and destroy the world one day and save the believers, you could say that loving nature isn't a high priority.

Isn't it easy to look down on Satanists - given they sacrifice babies and all that good stuff...:bombout:

Jadestone24 - I don't think paganism is satanism. What you experience is a christian mindset that everything not christian is the work of satan.

Isn't it easy to look down on Satanists - given they sacrifice babies and all that good stuff...:bombout:
Um...no, they don't. Not even close.

As for Jadestone, you need to pick up a book and inform yourself that Satanism isn't something to be looked down upon. http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html

(Incidentally, that quote, that you don't judge people on their religion but you look down on Satanists...I love that. That is so awesome. Were you unaware that you completely and totally contradicted yourself, or not?)

I didn't really think they sacrificed babies.

But if you are going to pick a religion - there are probably ones with better sounding names than 'satanism'. Gives me the chills.

I didn't really think they sacrificed babies.

But if you are going to pick a religion - there are probably ones with better sounding names than 'satanism'. Gives me the chills.
"The Church of Satan draws its name from the Christian concept of Satan, and claims that every individual can be his or her own god and is responsible for his or her own destiny. ("Satan" in their usage denotes a symbol and metaphor rather than a literal anthropomorphic deity.) People who follow this belief system are called 'Satanists'."

Welcome Jadestone24!

Being misunderstood and misrepresented is very frustrating but something we all have to learn to live with.

During the crusades & inquistion wasnt Paganism taken as basicaly Satanism by the Christian Priests/Bishops of that time?

To be fair Jade, Whilst ignorance isnt an excuse I'm sure youd be hard pushed to tell the various Christian/Catholic/Jehovah religious folk apart simply from what they wear. The symbols are all the same for the most part.

So long as these people arnt physically assualting you, just ignore their comments, or if its just the looks that are irking you smile back at them.

To christians everything that isn't christianity is 'satanism' in that they believe it is a lie created by Satan.

Why does everyone think that Paganism is satanism?
Probably because those that do so don't really know exactly what either one is. Drew, I am not sure about Christians believing Buddhism to be Satanism, that's streching it a bit.

Christian/Catholic/Jehovah

Loki, why do you separate Christian and Catholic?

Probably because those that do so don't really know exactly what either one is. Drew, I am not sure about Christians believing Buddhism to be Satanism, that's streching it a bit.

I don't think Drew was saying that Buddhism=Satanism in the minds of some Christians, but rather that some Christians believe that Satan is predominantly a deceitful entity and he leads Christians astray by tricking them into believing things other than the "true faith" of Christianity.

1 John
5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

Loki, why do you separate Christian and Catholic?

Its weird, and loosely based on media engrained representation. I know that Catholics are literally devouted Christians, and in a pyramid like look at it, Christians would be on the top with Jehovah, Catholics, 7day adventists etc all below that.

However I always grew up with the understanding you were either one or the other and that there views differed slightly, much like Jehovahs views differ to Catholics on certain issues. So then did Christians to Catholics.

I also percieved it as that Catholics were a much stricter, much more reserved breed with the Vatican, Opius Dei etc all being or that nature, Whilst the Outlandish and brash televangelists and most of the God loving America were Christians.

To me Catholicism is a much more defined, researched, and stricter connection to God where as Christianity isnt.

I know that Catholicism is a form of Christianity but thats how I percieved it, and why I seperated them as two factions.

:) Did that make sense?

:) Did that make sense?
Somewhat, perhaps you should get in the habit of just saying "Christians", it'd save time. ;)

I am so sick of everyone bad mouthing Paganism. I walk around with my pentacle around my neck and people are screaming at me that I am satan's child. Maybe they need to pick up a book and inform themselves that Paganism is not satanic and that we do look down on people who practice satanism. I don't judge other people by their religion. SO why should other people have the right to do it to me. Paganism is very nature based religion. Is it not ok to love nature?:drinktoth


HI:

Well for most people it is the fear of the unknown. If they don't get to know you before they find out your beliefs this may be where the problems come from. I personally believe everyone has a right to what ever they may or may not believe in. I have no right to say it is wrong or right, but in today's society there will always be people who for some reason need to look down or prejudge. It is like the goth or ska kids. When you walk down the street and you see them it is a site, but what you choose to do with it is the part that morally needs changing. This is the same thing that a lot of African American people suffered with for years racial discrimination. I am not saying it is right in any way, it is just how some sorry people are in society.

It is not your problem to try and educate them if they choose not to.
Be yourself and let that come through and the rest will hopefully fall into place. Good luck shorty

Somewhat, perhaps you should get in the habit of just saying "Christians", it'd save time. ;)

Will do :)

Take a look at this http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0501fea4.asp, seems really interesting but I cant sit and read the whole thing at work so will reply properly (possibly making a new thread) when i get home.

*Apologies for the the threadjack*

Protestants and Catholics do put a rather broad distance between themselves.

While Catholics do the best they can to keep followers united under one church through tradition. Protestants dont.

Protestants do consider themselves to be united under Christ but dont use as much tradition as Catholics do.

The traditions confuse the meaning of the word Christian for Protestant and Catholic alike. Often catholic tradition confuses scripture, while Protestants believe catholics are reading the scripture wrong, catholics believe the missing traditions in the Protestant backgrounds keeps them from understanding the scripture correctly.

So there are questions sometimes on who is and is not Christian.
However the Holy Spirit of God moves us all in the same direction and seems to be present in both catholic and protestant cultures.

TMI, sorry.

I apologise since my post has steered this somewhat off course, Back to the point at hand.

Why does everyone think that Paganism is satanism?

A: They dont. Those that do think like that, simply do because they have learnt to identify certain symbols to certain religions. The Roman Catholics did an amazing job at soiling the name/meaning of lots of religious symbols. Yours is just one of them.


Originally Posted by Inviolable
However the Holy Spirit of God moves us all in the same direction and seems to be present in both catholic and protestant cultures.

I deny the existance and/or reality of the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.

I have been Pagan for many years and I don't appreciate it when people who no nothing about a person just judge them by the way that they look. I personally don't look down on Satanists. I think that Mr. BorgHunter needs to see that yes Satanism is based on the Christian version of Satan. But now every one follows that. There are extremists that take things overboard. There have been reports in the media of Satanic cults sacrificing animals and babies. I am sure that this is not what Satanism is about. People think that Paganism is all about casting spells and getting drunk and wandering around naked. But thats not right now either is it. I don't contradict myself and when people suggest otherwise it is insulting. I just did elaborate on what I was trying to say. I think that whatever religion you are, its your choice to be that religion and as long as you don't try and try to convert people against their will thats fine. Wars have started because of religion. People just need to inform themselves that there are other religions in this world besides theirs.:confused:

I apologise since my post has steered this somewhat off course, Back to the point at hand.

Why does everyone think that Paganism is satanism?

A: They dont. Those that do think like that, simply do because they have learnt to identify certain symbols to certain religions. The Roman Catholics did an amazing job at soiling the name/meaning of lots of religious symbols. Yours is just one of them.




I deny the existance and/or reality of the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.

So do Jews.

I was just trying to pin point the difference you were talking about. I do apologise if I stepped on your toes.

When it comes to strange looks and feeling as if you are being watched a little more then what you would like I feel that to as a Christian sometimes.

I have a friend who I have known for roughly 10 years now and he chose to be a wiccan. When he and I hang out we get the strangest looks, specialy when I am holding the holy bible.

I have been Pagan for many years and I don't appreciate it when people who no nothing about a person just judge them by the way that they look. I personally don't look down on Satanists. I think that Mr. BorgHunter needs to see that yes Satanism is based on the Christian version of Satan. But now every one follows that. There are extremists that take things overboard. There have been reports in the media of Satanic cults sacrificing animals and babies. I am sure that this is not what Satanism is about. People think that Paganism is all about casting spells and getting drunk and wandering around naked. But thats not right now either is it. I don't contradict myself and when people suggest otherwise it is insulting. I just did elaborate on what I was trying to say. I think that whatever religion you are, its your choice to be that religion and as long as you don't try and try to convert people against their will thats fine. Wars have started because of religion. People just need to inform themselves that there are other religions in this world besides theirs.:confused:


You started your post with "People need to read things closer".

Yes, they certainly do. For example, the "Pedophile Political Party " thread in politics, where you accused me of being the president of said party.

As for the rest of your banal post, how very profound....really touching.

When he and I hang out we get the strangest looks, specialy when I am holding the holy bible.
You carry around the Bible when you hang out? Whoo! Someone stop this partyboy.
I think that Mr. BorgHunter needs to see that yes Satanism is based on the Christian version of Satan.
Satanism is not the worship of Satan, much less the Christian devil. They use the name because it aligns them with a radical, separated-from-society mindset in this Christian world.
There have been reports in the media of Satanic cults sacrificing animals and babies.
Satanic cult, perhaps, Church of Satan practices? Doubtful. If so, I want documentation.
People think that Paganism is all about casting spells and getting drunk and wandering around naked.
It isn't? Perhaps you should advertise that you do happen to do that, and you'd get a flood of rowdy new followers.

:thumbs:

I think that there is alot about religion that human beings don't understand. Paganism is just one religion. There are many others. When I moved out of my parents place and tried to pick the religion that was right for me I didn't know which way was up. A lot of people my age feel that way and then when you finally find a religion thats right for you people are telling you that you should not be that religion. I hate it when other religions try and interfere with your beliefs. If anyone wants to know the basis of Paganism here is what is called the Wiccan Rede. I love people no matter what their religion. As long as they leave my beliefs alone.

:drinktoth

Here's for anyone thats interested in hearing both sides of the tracks. Other words who don't know what the Wiccan Rede is :woohoo:

The Wiccan Rede
(Full Version)

Bide within the Law you must, in perfect Love and perfect Trust.
Live you must and let to live, fairly take and fairly give.

For tread the Circle thrice about to keep unwelcome spirits out.
To bind the spell well every time, let the spell be said in rhyme.

Light of eye and soft of touch, speak you little, listen much.
Honor the Old Ones in deed and name,
let love and light be our guides again.

Deosil go by the waxing moon, chanting out the joyful tune.
Widdershins go when the moon doth wane,
and the werewolf howls by the dread wolfsbane.

When the Lady's moon is new, kiss the hand to Her times two.
When the moon rides at Her peak then your heart's desire seek.

Heed the North winds mighty gale, lock the door and trim the sail.
When the Wind blows from the East, expect the new and set the feast.

When the wind comes from the South, love will kiss you on the mouth.
When the wind whispers from the West, all hearts will find peace and rest.

Nine woods in the Cauldron go, burn them fast and burn them slow.
Birch in the fire goes to represent what the Lady knows.

Oak in the forest towers with might, in the fire it brings the God's
insight. Rowan is a tree of power causing life and magick to flower.

Willows at the waterside stand ready to help us to the Summerland.
Hawthorn is burned to purify and to draw faerie to your eye.

Hazel-the tree of wisdom and learning adds its strength to the bright fire burning.
White are the flowers of Apple tree that brings us fruits of fertility.

Grapes grow upon the vine giving us both joy and wine.
Fir does mark the evergreen to represent immortality seen.

Elder is the Lady's tree burn it not or cursed you'll be.
Four times the Major Sabbats mark in the light and in the dark.

As the old year starts to wane the new begins, it's now Samhain.
When the time for Imbolc shows watch for flowers through the snows.

When the wheel begins to turn soon the Beltane fires will burn.
As the wheel turns to Lamas night power is brought to magick rite.

Four times the Minor Sabbats fall use the Sun to mark them all.
When the wheel has turned to Yule light the log the Horned One rules.

In the spring, when night equals day time for Ostara to come our way.
When the Sun has reached it's height time for Oak and Holly to fight.

Harvesting comes to one and all when the Autumn Equinox does fall.
Heed the flower, bush, and tree by the Lady blessed you'll be.

Where the rippling waters go cast a stone, the truth you'll know.
When you have and hold a need, harken not to others greed.

With a fool no season spend or be counted as his friend.
Merry Meet and Merry Part bright the cheeks and warm the heart.

Mind the Three-fold Laws you should three times bad and three times good.
When misfortune is enow wear the star upon your brow.

Be true in love this you must do unless your love is false to you.

These Eight words the Rede fulfill:

"An Ye Harm None, Do What Ye Will"

People think that Paganism is all about casting spells and getting drunk and wandering around naked.

Well it is to a certain degree. Casting spells certainly, and that Beltane thing is all about getting naked.

Nothing wrong with drink & nakedness. Spells I'm not sure about, although Ritual is common to all religions - helps focus the mind I guess.

I could go on for pages and pages on how our vision of Satan is so screwed up. If you really look into the mythology behind the Bible, you'll discover that Lucifer is actually more of a benevolant figure than everything.

In case you didn't notice, God is the one who's killing people with floods and plagues and putting poor saps through miserable trials for no real reason.

I have been Pagan for many years and I don't appreciate it when people who no nothing about a person just judge them by the way that they look.
"Know", and I agree.
I personally don't look down on Satanists.
Then why did you say, "we do look down on people who practice satanism"?
I think that Mr. BorgHunter needs to see that yes Satanism is based on the Christian version of Satan.
Only in that it uses the concept of Satan as an idol of sorts, though "Satan" is actually, in LaVeyan tradition, one's self.
But now every one follows that. There are extremists that take things overboard. There have been reports in the media of Satanic cults sacrificing animals and babies. I am sure that this is not what Satanism is about.
Then why did you imply this by saying you look down on Satanists? For a pagan, you sure have a horrible bias against Satanism, which is, amusingly enough, a pagan religion.
People think that Paganism is all about casting spells and getting drunk and wandering around naked. But thats not right now either is it.
No one ever said it was.
I don't contradict myself
Yes, you most certainly did.
and when people suggest otherwise it is insulting.
Damn straight it was. For all I know, you might be an immensely intelligent person...but your post exhibited one of the cardinal Satanic sins: Stupidity. You can't say you ("we") look down on Satanists then say you don't judge people on their religion. And for the record, I'm not a Satanist.
I think that whatever religion you are, its your choice to be that religion and as long as you don't try and try to convert people against their will thats fine. Wars have started because of religion. People just need to inform themselves that there are other religions in this world besides theirs.:confused:
Absolutely true. Some people are too ignorant to even consider views other than theirs, unfortunately. That's who you originally encountered.

As for the Wiccan rede...look at my sig any time recently?

Isn't it easy to look down on Satanists - given they sacrifice babies and all that good stuff.. Or what about Christians? all that cannibalism, drinking blood and eating flesh...

I could go on for pages and pages on how our vision of Satan is so screwed up. If you really look into the mythology behind the Bible, you'll discover that Lucifer is actually more of a benevolant figure than everything.

In case you didn't notice, God is the one who's killing people with floods and plagues and putting poor saps through miserable trials for no real reason.

I can agree with you that our version of Satan is screwed up because a lot of people think that Satan is just a bad demon thing that no one wants to look at. However, I have read many books that state other wise. When people hear the word Lucifer they cringe in fear. And not to mention that when I was living with my grandmother she constantly told me that if I was not Christian I would go to hell. But I think that all religions have a place after death whether it be heaven or hell or the Egyptian version of the afterlife.

Everyone is entitled to their own belief of Satan. God has been really putting human kind through some very rough times. I don't think Mother Nature is too impressed either. But I can say that my Lady and Lord have been looking after me swell. I have no fear of Satan in whatever his form. And death is the inevitable ending to this life no matter what your belief.
:cat:

Lucifer(the lightbringer or morning star) aka Satan(adversary) aka the devil(or demon)(meaning accuser, slanderer) aka Belial(destruction or worthless) aka Beelzebub(or Beelzebul)(lord of the flies)(this one is loose however, as they are at times described seperately) aka The Prince of Darkness is never described as truely evil past him leading people away from God.

Another thing, the FBI has never confirmed a ritual killing to Satan or a demon or something of that sort. Criminal Minds is an awesome TV show.

Really - it's all baloney.

When I moved out of my parents place and tried to pick the religion that was right for me I didn't know which way was up.


Can I question why it was that you decided you needed a Religion? I myself find religion extremely interesting and enjoy learning about them, But I in no way want to be part of one. Im just interested to understand the motivation that drives you to want to be part of such a group?

"Know", and I agree.

Then why did you say, "we do look down on people who practice satanism"?

Only in that it uses the concept of Satan as an idol of sorts, though "Satan" is actually, in LaVeyan tradition, one's self.

Then why did you imply this by saying you look down on Satanists? For a pagan, you sure have a horrible bias against Satanism, which is, amusingly enough, a pagan religion.

No one ever said it was.

Yes, you most certainly did.

Damn straight it was. For all I know, you might be an immensely intelligent person...but your post exhibited one of the cardinal Satanic sins: Stupidity. You can't say you ("we") look down on Satanists then say you don't judge people on their religion. And for the record, I'm not a Satanist.

Absolutely true. Some people are too ignorant to even consider views other than theirs, unfortunately. That's who you originally encountered.

As for the Wiccan rede...look at my sig any time recently?

Yes as a matter of fact I have looked at your sig lately. Previous to this I had never been on message boards and this is my first time being here on this board. The other night when I sat down to write what I wrote on the message board I was not paying attention to what I wrote. I would appreciate it if you took the other part of the one where it says that I judge and look down upon Satanist. I was wrong to have put it there. And just for everyones information my best friend in the world is a Satanist. So if people think that I am a Satanist hater that is not what I was saying. I was just asking why people have to be so discriminatory of religions they don't understand. I was not trying to insult any one BorgHunter? I am far from a hateful person.:flowers:

Your best friend in the world is a Satanist?

Your best friend in the world is a Satanist?
So? She (he?) probably throws wild parties. Debauchery, cannibalism, and all sorts of whacky shenanigans.

Yes as a matter of fact I have looked at your sig lately. Previous to this I had never been on message boards and this is my first time being here on this board. The other night when I sat down to write what I wrote on the message board I was not paying attention to what I wrote. I would appreciate it if you took the other part of the one where it says that I judge and look down upon Satanist. I was wrong to have put it there. And just for everyones information my best friend in the world is a Satanist. So if people think that I am a Satanist hater that is not what I was saying. I was just asking why people have to be so discriminatory of religions they don't understand. I was not trying to insult any one BorgHunter? I am far from a hateful person.:flowers:
Duly removed. Why didn't you say so in the first place?

I am so sick of everyone bad mouthing Paganism. I walk around with my pentacle around my neck and people are screaming at me that I am satan's child. Maybe they need to pick up a book and inform themselves that Paganism is not satanic and that we do look down on people who practice satanism. I don't judge other people by their religion. SO why should other people have the right to do it to me. Paganism is very nature based religion. Is it not ok to love nature?:drinktoth
*just saw the OP*

I hear you brother! People just dont bother educating themselves sometimes. I dont openly wear any symbols, but I've had people's attitude towards me completly reverse after they find out I'm not Christian. Still, I have lots of Christian friends, and many of them know my real religion. I've even met a few Satanists, and found out they dont believe in Satan! (they really need to change thier name, eh?)

I've even met a few Satanists, and found out they dont believe in Satan! (they really need to change thier name, eh?)
What's wrong with their name? I think it suits the religion very well.

What's wrong with their name? I think it suits the religion very well.
But why would someone name thier religion after something they dont believe exists? The majority of the world (whether they believe in him or not) recognizes Satan as an evil figure. The Satanists I know are decent, tax-paying fellows. Its false advertising! :rant:

But why would someone name thier religion after something they dont believe exists? The majority of the world (whether they believe in him or not) recognizes Satan as an evil figure. The Satanists I know are decent, tax-paying fellows. Its false advertising! :rant:
Half of it is just to shock people. The other half is that Satan represents, in the Satanist religion, the person himself. When a Satanist says "Hail Satan!", all he means is "Hail me!" I think Satan is a great symbol, and because of the Biblical Satan (who is the perfect symbol of the virtue of selfishness), absolutely perfect. The Nine Satanic Statements sum it up rather well. Have you read The Satanic Bible? Great read.

Half of it is just to shock people. The other half is that Satan represents, in the Satanist religion, the person himself. When a Satanist says "Hail Satan!", all he means is "Hail me!" I think Satan is a great symbol, and because of the Biblical Satan (who is the perfect symbol of the virtue of selfishness), absolutely perfect. The Nine Satanic Statements sum it up rather well. Have you read The Satanic Bible? Great read.
Ah, so they do it for kicks! I guess thats a good enoff reason in and of itself.

Isn't it easy to look down on Satanists - given they sacrifice babies and all that good stuff...:bombout:

Jadestone24 - I don't think paganism is satanism. What you experience is a christian mindset that everything not christian is the work of satan.


yup. and because they ain't true christians they judge. they don't live by what jesus said.

last i heard i ain't heard o no satanists sacrificing people at all. unless they are the sick minded ones taking too many drugs. and that was rare and i think, long ago.

i don't give a flock what you believe or what you do as long as you leave people alone. especially me. hell, i couldn't care less if some joker next door wore a clown wig, went around butt ass naked and sacrificed goats in his back yard.

what does piss me off are people who use religion to kill, harrass,steal, and manipulate, sell religion, and con people. that means bush and his religious cronies and other zealots in any religion piss me off.

i don't give a flock what you believe or what you do as long as you leave people alone. especially me. hell, i couldn't care less if some joker next door wore a clown wig, went around butt ass naked and sacrificed goats in his back yard.
I dont know, I'd kinda have to draw the line somewhere.
what does piss me off are people who use religion to kill, harrass,steal, and manipulate, sell religion, and con people. that means bush and his religious cronies and other zealots in any religion piss me off.
Ya! Those kinds of people suk! Screw 'em!

*just saw the OP*

I hear you brother! People just dont bother educating themselves sometimes. I dont openly wear any symbols, but I've had people's attitude towards me completly reverse after they find out I'm not Christian. Still, I have lots of Christian friends, and many of them know my real religion. I've even met a few Satanists, and found out they dont believe in Satan! (they really need to change thier name, eh?)


Well it is nice to see that someone agrees with me. However I really do believe in the beliefs Paganism portray. I think that they do need to change their name

I think that they do need to change their name
Interestingly, most Satanists don't care what you think about their name. That's actually part of the religion, not caring about what people think, and actually exemplifies their name. Once more, I reiterate, their name really fits their religion, and in no way does it need alteration.

Interestingly, most Satanists don't care what you think about their name. That's actually part of the religion, not caring about what people think, and actually exemplifies their name. Once more, I reiterate, their name really fits their religion, and in no way does it need alteration.

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But think about it if they didn't call themselves SATANists then they would not get such a bad wrap. Its just like people call us witches.

But think about it if they didn't call themselves SATANists then they would not get such a bad wrap. Its just like people call us witches.

The point is they dont care about the bad rap they get. From what I've seen here the only person who does is you?

The point is they dont care about the bad rap they get. From what I've seen here the only person who does is you?

It doesn't matter what they call themselves. Its just ashame that no matter what religion or race you are you always get a bad rap.

Its just ashame that no matter what religion or race you are you always get a bad rap.

That is, in a nutshell, Life.

People are going to bitch and moan about something at some point, Some people are going to hate on you for a thousand different reasons, Your fat, Your ugly, Your a Christian, Your a Jew, Your black, Your white etc. I don't know if its entirely healthy to be as desensesitised to it as me, but getting all down on it cant be that healthy either. I assume you wish and hope for the Utopian lifestyle where everyone lives in perfect harmony? That to me is the same as those who believe in Heaven. I don't believe these places have or will ever exist.

That is, in a nutshell, Life.

People are going to bitch and moan about something at some point, Some people are going to hate on you for a thousand different reasons, Your fat, Your ugly, Your a Christian, Your a Jew, Your black, Your white etc. I don't know if its entirely healthy to be as desensesitised to it as me, but getting all down on it cant be that healthy either. I assume you wish and hope for the Utopian lifestyle where everyone lives in perfect harmony? That to me is the same as those who believe in Heaven. I don't believe these places have or will ever exist.
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I am getting to be pretty desensetized to most of it now. There is never going to be such thing as a Utopian world where everyone lives in harmony and peace, it would be nice to think so. There will always be some type of war and hatred as long as there are human beings and animals,

I am so sick of everyone bad mouthing Paganism. I walk around with my pentacle around my neck and people are screaming at me that I am satan's child. Maybe they need to pick up a book and inform themselves that Paganism is not satanic and that we do look down on people who practice satanism. I don't judge other people by their religion. SO why should other people have the right to do it to me. Paganism is very nature based religion. Is it not ok to love nature?:drinktoth

I don't know too many people who would scream at you and treat you the way explained you've been treated. I have never seen anyone go to someone who wears a pentacle or any other symbol and scream at them. At work there are quite a few people who are pagans and satanists. No-one bothers them and treats them like that.

Or what about Christians? all that cannibalism, drinking blood and eating flesh...

Certainly doesn't represent the majority of us.

I am a believer, What you call a Christian. But I do not cannibalize, drink blood nor eat flesh.

In fact, I dont even eat red meat or pork....lol

Anyway. I am new here. This is my first post. I am a Christian so if you have questions you might like to ask a Christian. Please do. Keep in mind that I am probably much older than most of you and am not "In-the-know" of alot of things that kids do today, but I believe that I can answer questions you might have about what the bible may say on some issue.

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Not to those of us who believe, Drew. I find your constant denigration of religion highly insulting.

Believe as you wish but do not insult my belief system. To do so is the sign of a small, closed mind.

I don't know too many people who would scream at you and treat you the way explained you've been treated. I have never seen anyone go to someone who wears a pentacle or any other symbol and scream at them. At work there are quite a few people who are pagans and satanists. No-one bothers them and treats them like that.
Maybe you should get out more? ;)
The worst person I've ever had to deal with was a Christian on a debate forum (thankfully the encounter was not in person). He spat some pretty odscene and nasty things at me for about three hours. I should have just logged off, but I was stuck somewhere between pissed off and wanting to cry. My brother recently found out I'm pagan, and he and his friends are quit convinced that I'm going to Hell.

Maybe you should get out more? ;)
The worst person I've ever had to deal with was a Christian on a debate forum (thankfully the encounter was not in person). He spat some pretty odscene and nasty things at me for about three hours. I should have just logged off, but I was stuck somewhere between pissed off and wanting to cry. My brother recently found out I'm pagan, and he and his friends are quit convinced that I'm going to Hell.

Well, I certainly don't know what happened at that mesage board forum, but that one guy doesn't represent us all. At any major message board, you will find all sorts of personalities. Nonetheless, the majrity of christians, althouh we don't condone pagan beliefs, we certainly don't scream at people, or are rude to people who are pagans. I have friends that are pagans. As a chrsitian who stands firm on his beliefs, I will never condone or those bethose beliefs, but I also don't put down or belittle people for having those beliefs. btw, 3 hours is surely a long to time to hurl nasty comments to someone. This guy must not have had anything better to do.

Well, I certainly don't know what happened at that mesage board forum, but that one guy doesn't represent us all. At any major message board, you will find all sorts of personalities. Nonetheless, the majrity of christians, althouh we don't condone pagan beliefs, we certainly don't scream at people, or are rude to people who are pagans. I have friends that are pagans. As a chrsitian who stands firm on his beliefs, I will never condone or those bethose beliefs, but I also don't put down or belittle people for having those beliefs. btw, 3 hours is surely a long to time to hurl nasty comments to someone. This guy must not have had anything better to do.
Good to hear! And yes, I know that Christians tend to be excellent people:thumbs:, and that jerks like that guy are in the minority.