Looks like the terrorists dont have to do much to defeat the US, we seem to be doing it ourselves. We are editing our history so as to not "offend" anybody. Soon we will be so soft a stiff breeze will blow us over. While our kids cant look at pictures of hot dogs or Mt Rushmore, the terorists kids are playing games on horseback with goat carcasses and shoting machine guns. Its only a matter of time before we are so weak we will give in to the terrorist for fear of offending them. This is freaking sad and it pisses me off. My son will NOT be part of this, he will learn to shoot, and be a man. He will learn to love America, no matter what his pathetic PC teachers try and convince him of.

CA edits history to be PC (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,85594,00.html)

Eh. I agree too much PC is a danger, but the examples cited here don't bother me much. Two minorly concern me are the editing of Mt. Rushmore (Who cares who that offends) and changing "snowman" to "snowperson" (Wastes syllables).

"only a matter of time before we are so weak we will give in to the terrorist for fear of offending them."

Haven't we already given into the terrorist? We're giving up liberties daily so that we can have safty...

"Anyone that gives up liberty for saftey deserves neither..." Ben Franklin

Haven't we already given into the terrorist? We're giving up liberties daily so that we can have safty...
Yup. For those who don't believe him...see the law "Patriot Act" and the proposed bill "Patriot Act II"

Originally posted by Shoot_The_Kids
"only a matter of time before we are so weak we will give in to the terrorist for fear of offending them."

Haven't we already given into the terrorist? We're giving up liberties daily so that we can have safty...

"Anyone that gives up liberty for saftey deserves neither..." Ben Franklin

Please shut up. tell me one thing you cant do today that you could do on Sept 10, 2001, just one. I know I havent seen any differnece in my life, except for that stupid color coded alert system, which is a minor ass itch. No one seems to care when liberals want to tell you how to live your life, but when a conservative want to punish a terrorist, look out! all of our liberties are being taken away, BOO HOO

Have to agree, Travh20, the only changes I have seen all happen in airports. Since I rarely fly, that's no imposition what-so-ever. While stationed in West Germany during the 1980s, we experienced a fair amount of terrorism, some directed at American citizens, some directed at military bases, some directed against the general population. The effects of increased security measures there were obvious, well lit, and intrusive. The USA, with rare exception (as in entering high level government facilities) has yet to experience any of that level security. Hopefully, as technology continues to develop the increased security will be refined to be less intrusive, because it's certainly not going to go away.

Actually, liberals generally want to not have the government tell you how to live your life, and conservatives generally do.

Liberals want the government to take care of everything, like a parent would, conservatives want the government out of everything & allow private enterprise to do its' thing. Either way, you're screwed. What you don't pay in taxes to watch go down the public drain, you hand over to some grossly overpaid CEOs.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Actually, liberals generally want to not have the government tell you how to live your life, and conservatives generally do.

Ya, in theroy thats how it is, in reality it is the liberals who want the government to regulate everything and to enforce this stupid PC crap and make people go to mandatory sensitvity training if they hurt someone feelings. Its the liberals who want to take all your money and give it to someone else, its the liberals who want to tell you how to LIVE YOUR LIFE AND WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN NOT EAT. cONSEVATIVES WANT INDIVIDUal responsibility, tax cuts, a return to family values. Nice try though, tow that party line!

Did you read the article at all? You posted it. Both parties are supporting the PC stuff.

Do you have any idea at all? Liberals supporting government regulation? That is completely against the liberal way.

When a conservative supports political correctness it is called pandering. And a damn shame.

Originally posted by Blibblob
Do you have any idea at all? Liberals supporting government regulation? That is completely against the liberal way.

ya, well, you have been suckered, take a look around at who want s to control how you live. These liberals are sneaky little bastards who convince people of the craziest, most far fetched things with fear and lies. I am glad that you at least are starting in the denial phase, eventually you will reach acceptance and become a conservative.

HA, how about not. I'm not in the mood to keep poor little kids in Asia poor, because I want shoes.

so you dont wear shoes? Or do you make your own? you are a idiot hypocrit who buys everything the anti american, capitalist bashing left spews out. You read a lot of crap and regurgitate it back to us, in reality you have no experience in anything you say, you cant even vote. I dont care how you think, but stop trying to trivialize us regualar americans and degrade us, And dont say you dont, becasue you do. SO just stop saying we know nothing about communism, we know enough to know its not for us, so please shut up.

Actually, liberals generally want to not have the government tell you how to live your life, and conservatives generally do.

Borg, I can't believe you said this. You totally have this backwards. For a moderator on a political board, you have me wondering about you! Or do you not see the Democrat parties' platform?

Conservatives:

-No gay marriages (for the "family")
-Reduced free speech (for "national security")
-Increased censorship (to protect the "children")
-Increased video game regulations (same)

Need I continue?

Liberals:
-Pro-gay marriage/adoption
-Pro-drug legalization
-Decrease military budget in order to increase education budget (excellent idea)
-Anti-censorship
-No faith-based initiatives

-Increased censorship (to protect the "children")
-Increased video game regulations (same)
-Anti-censorship

LOL, these are liberal ideas!!!!! LOL, you're a conservative Borg! LOL!!!!

Okay, here are some other liberal ideas:

-Pro Gun Control laws
-More laws to protect the rights of minorities
-Health care for all, meaning the government takes more control
-Pro medicare
-Pro social security
-Pro welfare
-Pro governement spending in general
-Anti tax cut because it takes away from all of the above

Most of the things I mentioned are big issues, these are the ones that really make the government big and expensive. Still think liberals don't want to tell you how to run your life? Conservatives want to do away or reduce all of those.

Generally, liberal ideas involve the government while conservative ideas favor a more laissez-faire government. Borg, you may want to re-label yourself if you favor smaller government and less involvment.

I think I see what you're getting at here, now. You are confusing economic freedom with personal freedom. To oversimply, liberals support more personal freedoms and less economic, while conservatives support the opposite.

And I'm sorry, but liberals do not support censorship. It's just that moderate Lieberman that does. I really don't like him too much, he's a religious radical, which is the type I don't like.

Hm, the censoring and such doesn't really seem like a conservative ideal to me though. I think that is just radical, period.

So what about the government involvement in the economic freedoms, as you call them? To me, those are huge infringements on your life. Whether or not someone can have a gay marriage only effects 3% or the population or whatever. The things I listed effect everyone.

I still don't think it's even close when you try to pick who wants control over your life more.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Conservatives:

-No gay marriages (for the "family")
-Reduced free speech (for "national security")
-Increased censorship (to protect the "children")
-Increased video game regulations (same)

Need I continue?

Gay marriages? LOL, ya, thats controling everyones life by saying 2 guys cant get married.

How are conservatives reducing free speech to obtain national security, i am still trying to figure that one out.

Increase censorship? Wasnt king liberal Al Gores wife Tipper leading the charge on that one?

Video game regulations?

Ya, these are all ways conservatives are trying to take over your life. In the mean time liberals want to tell you not to smoke, not to buy guns, pay more taxes, and the worst is their forcing people to "celebrate" diversity, and forcing them to accept things they do not agree with. Liberals dont want you to be independent , they want you to be dependant, on them, for everything. They want your life to revolve around government programs. The thing a liberal hates the most is a self sufficient, hard working, informed, independent minded citizen, because these people have no use for the liberals or their crackpot ideas. the liberals love stupid, lazy apathetic washouts with no direction in life, these peple ar the future for the liberals.

How are conservatives reducing free speech to obtain national security, i am still trying to figure that one out.
Read about the Patriot Acts I & II.
Increase censorship? Wasnt king liberal Al Gores wife Tipper leading the charge on that one?
I'm no fan of the Gores, either. Remember, not every "liberal" is completely "liberal". However, notice the word liberal. Now, think back to your 6th grade English class (assuming you didn't skip it or something)...what word is the root of the word "liberal"?

Look man, I know what the word is supposed to mean, but that doesnt make it so. Ever since LIBERALS created political correctness, you cant believe anythting anymore. UP is down, down is up, 2 men having sex is to be celebrated by all of society, god is to be shunned everywhere but in church and home. Racism is terrible and wrong but people are givin jobs due to the color of their skin, this is the liberal control, control of the very thoughts of the human mind, reversal of the very right and wrong thousands of years of human civilization has created.

If you want to get crazy about it the conservatives are the real liberals now.

*Sigh* Where to get started here? First of all, PC is, right now, pretty much blind to partisan politics and has infected both sides. Gay people aren't "celebrated by all of society", rather, they are simply allowed to do something which hurts no one. God should be kept out of government, because, well, how would you feel if Christianity happened to be the minority in the U.S. and your children were having to listen to Muslim prayer in school everyday? Or every session of Congress was kicked off with a praise to Allah? Affirmative action...yeah, I agree with you there.

And, excuse me, but I believe sodomy laws are being protected by 95% conservatives, and those sorts of laws aren't giving anyone liberty.

Dont try and pass off PC as a non partisan thing, you know damn well where it came from. You are right, gay peple isnt celebrated by all of society, but they sure hella re trting to make it that way. if I lived in a muslim country I would have expectations of not hearing about allah, if you live in a christian country you should not be suprised when god comes up. If congress started out with a praise to allah then I guess the terrorists really have won, and you would see what a oppressive regime really is, not some boogie man conservative who you make into a monster who wants to take away your rights to suck another guys ****

Damn you, not all Muslims are radical fundamentalist rapist Saddam Husseins!

ya, but the ones who want to take over the world and this country are.

a more laissez-faire government
First thing, laissez-faire doesn't work, at all. Read it? How about Smith's version? Have you seen anything relating to that taking place? I don't see people getting paid what they are worth.

Now, think back to your 6th grade English class (assuming you didn't skip it or something)...what word is the root of the word "liberal"?
They obviously don't know, so. Liberal, the root word is libre, the latin term for freedom.

if you live in a christian country you should not be suprised when god comes up
This is not a christian country. The constitution made that impossible. Wait, everything in there is being broken, why don't we kick everybody else out except for the christians!

If congress started out with a praise to allah then I guess the terrorists really have won, and you would see what a oppressive regime really is, not some boogie man conservative who you make into a monster who wants to take away your rights to suck another guys ****
AHHHH!!! IGNORANT RETARDED HATE OF MUSLIMS!!! Read a bit of the Quaran you idiot. Then look at the time period in which it was written, and what was going on.

Ya, I do hate radical islamists and their attempt to convert the world, you are right. I have no problem with a run of the mill muslim who minds his own buisness. You just cant wait for someone to say something you can use agaisnt them as a racist statement can you? LOL Maybe you should tell bin laden and his budies to read the quaran a bit.

Maybe you should tell bin laden and his budies to read the quaran a bit.
They did, and they are doing what it says, to fight back. Chapter 60, verses 8 and 9: “Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of [your] religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly…. Allah only forbids you respecting those who make war upon you on account of [your] religion, and drove you forth from your homes.”
And Chapter 22, verse 39: “Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed.”
Also Chapter 47, verse 4: “So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite their necks until you have overcome them. Then make [them] prisoners and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom themselves until the war terminates.”

The last line puts the book into historical context. "until the war terminates". The Quaran was written during the middle of a war, the Jews and the Christians were waging war with the Muslims, and Muhammed was their spiritual and military leader.

Now then, to relate it to modern times. Bin Laden has given millions upon millions of dolars to the poor of third world countries. He saw them as oppressed(by who else then the largest country in the world). He saw that there was almost no possible way for them to fight back on their own, he supplied them. They see the US has having thrown the first rock, and then they feel as though they have been oppressed for the last thousand years. They decided to throw a few rocks back.

Good god blib is standing up for radical islam and defending Bin laden, I should have known this day was coming. Bin laden gives milions of dollars to the third world, so do we, we give 1000 times more to the third world than Bin laden. He gives women the rights to be oppressed with birkhas and beatings when their toe sticks out, he gives delibratley targets civilians at their weakest momnet, for he is a coward. then you go and say we threw the first rock, and they decided to throw back after a 1000 years of oppresion, I didnt know the United states has been around that long. I bet you didnt know shit about the quaran until the they started attacking the US, then you found out you liked them becasue they hated us, much like yourself.

blibb ya really blew it. Defending obl? Wrong thinking there. obl has perverted the koran into his own twisted, malevolent, and profane version of how things should be by and shoves that psychotic ideation down people's throats by building his own terroristic forces to attack another society. There is no defending his barbarism and savagery.

The same could be said of the US, but instead of using only a religion as backing they make people drunk on their "freedom". The US and Al Qaeda are just two opposing forces, with the same goals, only different tactics. The goals may vary for which side they root for, but nonetheless the goals, in essence, are the same. There is no barbarianism or savagery, just different cultures.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: now Bliblob is saying that America is the same as Al Qeada.............. stop the insanity...............

Originally posted by Blibblob
The same could be said of the US, but instead of using only a religion as backing they make people drunk on their "freedom". The US and Al Qaeda are just two opposing forces, with the same goals, only different tactics. The goals may vary for which side they root for, but nonetheless the goals, in essence, are the same. There is no barbarianism or savagery, just different cultures.

Blib, please shut up. You are going in the wrong direction, you will be a loser all your life if you continue the way you are going, but if you become succesful in life you will always feel guilty and sad for betraying your beliefs, either way, you are screwed. When you see the US and al queada as the same thing, you are truly lost in excess and freedom for to many generations in your family. The very freedom you hate is breeding guilt and hatred in you, which you turn into some twisted idea of the world where evil and good are the same thing. I knew people like you in high school, they are either losers working at gas stations for minimum wage, or bitter, guilty successes who talk out of both sides of their mouths.

You're demonstrating very poor judgment in the words you choose, and the causes you appear to support. Not being able to see and appreciate all that is around you while defending barbarism and savagery is indicative of deep rooted conflicts requiring the aid of institutional psychiatric placement and accompanying psychotropic medications.

Now lay back and close your eyes, start from the begaining, did your parents abuse you when you were young? Oops my mistake you still are young. Lets try the word game I'll give you some words, you give back whatever comes to your mind first. OK here we go.

Bugs Bunny
Mickey Mouse
The Smurfs
Barney
Teletubies(sp)
Training wheels
Car seat
diapers

There that should be enough did you notice I used words that you could relate to? :D :D

Now now, be nice. ;)

Since not a single intelligent debate about what I have said has occured, then I will take no notice of what any of you have said and ask for some kind of a counter to my statements. All I have been getting is "you tink dey da same..." and "ya have sum problems...".

hey, he isnt totally stupid after all, he actually understans that he f*cked in the head!

hey, he isnt totally stupid after all, he actually understans that he f*cked in the head!
Yes, and you must be. Try spell check, and I have no idea how you tried to fit fuck in there. It is an improper use of it.

Originally posted by es347fan
blibb ya really blew it. Defending obl? Wrong thinking there. obl has perverted the koran into his own twisted, malevolent, and profane version of how things should be by and shoves that psychotic ideation down people's throats by building his own terroristic forces to attack another society. There is no defending his barbarism and savagery.

I don't think Blib is completely off track. The religion/culture of Islam is much more receptive to violence than Christianity, for example. Did you see Islamic people celebrating after 9/11? Although bin Laden may be extreme, I don't think he's completely out of line with his society either. This is supported by the fact that he has an almost heroic status among the common people of Islamic nations.

P.S. What's with the "President of Worms" thing?

Don't forget. Acording to him, and the majority of the people in that area, the US has done great wrongs. That wrong would be defending Israel, and everthing else that has occured due to the defense of Israel. They seriously do believe that what they are doing is right and what the US is doing is wrong. And you seriously believe that what the US is doing is right and what they are doing is wrong.

To the "President of Worms" thing look in the science section, under the worm thread.

To Trav below. It would be a waste to create another post to reply to your one line. Nobody likes a dumbass, smartass, ignorant adult.

shutup little punk, everyone hates a smartass little kid

And assuming that things are either good or evil is as much a fallacy as assuming there is no difference between them.