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Blibblob
04-26-2003, 11:53 AM
http://www.infowars.com/print_patriotact2_analysis.htm
Any clue on it at all?
BorgHunter
04-26-2003, 02:20 PM
It's just more of the Bush administration's policy to make people have no more privacy in the interest of "national security".
DaveTooner
04-27-2003, 02:06 PM
Borg that is just something you on the left have dreamed up.
Blibblob
04-27-2003, 03:24 PM
READ THE DAMN ANALYISIS YOU MORON! And if you want you can download the photo-copied CLASSIFIED document. Just by reading it you could be prosecuted under it as a terrorist.
DaveTooner
04-27-2003, 08:11 PM
Look dipshit - you on the left make like the Patriot Act allows the government to arrest, tap phone lines, etc etc of anyone for any or no reason. First, this is false. Second, why would you care if you aren't a terrorist?
They cannot just tap any phone line or arrest anyone. They still have to have a valid reason and they have to go through a lot of red tape first. You leftits just dream this stupid shit up.
Shoot_The_Kids
04-27-2003, 08:16 PM
I have seen you conservatives dream up some pretty wild shit to so fuck off :) seriously...
BorgHunter
04-28-2003, 02:36 PM
Dave:
SECTION 501 (Expatriation of Terrorists) expands the Bush administration’s “enemy combatant” definition to all American citizens who “may” have violated any provision of Section 802 of the first Patriot Act. (Section 802 is the new definition of domestic terrorism, and the definition is “any action that endangers human life that is a violation of any Federal or State law.”) Section 501 of the second Patriot Act directly connects to Section 125 of the same act. The Justice Department boldly claims that the incredibly broad Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act isn’t broad enough and that a new, unlimited definition of terrorism is needed.
(Emphasis mine)
SECTION 312 gives immunity to law enforcement engaging in spying operations against the American people and would place substantial restrictions on court injunctions against Federal violations of civil rights across the board.
SECTION 102 states clearly that any information gathering, regardless of whether or not those activities are illegal, can be considered to be clandestine intelligence activities for a foreign power. This makes news gathering illegal.
SECTION 106 is bone-chilling in its straightforwardness. It states that broad general warrants by the secret FSIA court (a panel of secret judges set up in a star chamber system that convenes in an undisclosed location) granted under the first Patriot Act are not good enough. It states that government agents must be given immunity for carrying out searches with no prior court approval. This section throws out the entire Fourth Amendment against unreasonable searches and seizures.
(Emphasis mine)
SECTION 128 allows the Federal government to place gag orders on Federal and State Grand Juries and to take over the proceedings. It also disallows individuals or organizations to even try to quash a Federal subpoena. So now defending yourself will be a terrorist action.
Ed Blank
04-28-2003, 03:28 PM
The Constitutionalists were right. The government is revoking the Constitution. I bet none of it applies anymore and they just haven't made any sort of announcement.
Since 911 I've had the impression that the whole country was under marshall law (I kept seeing too many police cars and ambulances EVERYWHERE. No wreck or anything nearby. No sirens. Just patrolling...patrolling).
es347fan
04-28-2003, 03:55 PM
While Dubya's hand may have signed it, the real culprit here is none other than Ashcroft. That ultra paranoid, hyper-religious facist is the power - behind the power. Whatever those clowns dream up, Ascroft's our boy to make them legal.
BorgHunter
04-28-2003, 04:00 PM
Asscroft is an idiot...the only person in the Bush administration I like is Colin Powell. I might even vote for him if he goes for Pres, depending on his opponent. If he had run against Gore, hell yeah I'd have voted for him!
Blibblob
04-28-2003, 04:54 PM
The entire Bush Administration is full of idiots, Powell included. Even Norman Scwarchpof(however the hell you spell his name) would have been better. People should have just voted for Nader...
BorgHunter
04-28-2003, 05:08 PM
I agree, Nader would be the best, but I think that Colin Powell is my favorite Republican.
It's "Schwarzkopf", btw.
Blibblob
04-28-2003, 05:38 PM
Ok, Schwarzkopf... how the hell can you remember how to spell that kind of a name!?
I have no favorite Republican... not one has proven themselves worthy to be called intelligent... not even "smart".
es347fan
04-28-2003, 05:50 PM
I had the pleasure of knowing 'Stormin Norman' Schwarzkopf when he was a 1 star General commanding the Mainz Military Community in the early 1980's. Quite the character.
Colin Powell is excellent presidential material, with enough intelligence to stay out of the big chair. In his current position, he's got it made.
Blibblob
04-28-2003, 06:24 PM
The best leaders tend to be those who don't want to lead at all.
Munchmausen
05-04-2003, 09:55 PM
Schwarzkopf - It's German for "Black head"
Munchmausen
05-04-2003, 09:57 PM
Oh, and I challenge anyone who contests that the language of the Patriot Act differs from what is posted to provide that information. I'd sure be happy to find that these things aren't law.
LionelHutz
05-04-2003, 10:02 PM
Well if this website says it's so, then by God I believe it. It certainly doesn't seem to have any political agenda or anything. Does anyone have a reputable news source that shows that Congress was tricked into voting for different version? This just sounds like a bunch of conspiracy theory crap.
DaveTooner
05-04-2003, 10:03 PM
Lionel - get used to that. Idiots like blib think about everything is a conspiracy.