On May 1st the illegal aliens did not shop, or go into a business.
Sales decreased by over 4 percent.

Theft decreased by over 50 percent.

On May 1st the illegal aliens did not shop, or go into a business.
Sales decreased by over 4 percent.

Theft decreased by over 50 percent.

Really?

Do you have some corroborative evidence to cite?

Whether he does or not, it was funny as hell.

Whether he does or not, it was funny as hell.

Falsehoods are often humorous. But then many people (religionists come to mind) do not care if something is true or not, as long as it reinforces their preconcieved notions.

[at any rate, I fail to see what could have possbly struck anyone as the least bit "funny" about the statistics that gmsisko posted]

[at any rate, I fail to see what could have possbly struck anyone as the least bit "funny" about the statistics that gmsisko posted]

That's because you're a bitter old fart.

That's because you're a bitter old fart.

Be that as it may, I still have a keen sense of humor, and I just don't see anything remotely "funny" in the following comment---"On May 1st the illegal aliens did not shop, or go into a business.
Sales decreased by over 4 percent.

Theft decreased by over 50 percent."

No knock against you.

I just didn't find it funny.

(and that is completely aside from the fact that it seems preposterous. But then, maybe gmsisko has some documentation to back up the claim. He never did present any for his farcical -""500 tons of yellowcake!!!-- allegation he posted here, but there's a first time for everything, I reckon)

If theft fell by 50 percent,does that mean illegals are prone to being robbed at work,by Americans prehaps..

I must admit, I heard the news from a credible source, but I can't find it in any of the news sites. (I actually heard it from a Federal Judge)

If theft fell by 50 percent,does that mean illegals are prone to being robbed at work,by Americans prehaps..

I have to say the same thought occurred to me. Sisko, if all of the Mexicans stayed home from work, wouldn't that normally increase theft? Makes a decrease, if true, all the more significant.

I must admit, I heard the news from a credible source, but I can't find it in any of the news sites. (I actually heard it from a Federal Judge)
Credible source

It's not because they're Mexican (or whatever nationality the immigrants are) that they're more prone to steal. It's because they're poor. The poor have less to lose if they get caught stealing and much more to gain from stealing. It just so happens that a good portion of Mexicans in the US come from Mexico, which is a much poorer country than the US; and the same applies for the other countries that illegal immigrants come from.

A source would be nice on that claim, but I would not be surprised one bit if it was true.



When I was 10 or 11 and earned 10 dollars a week I stole a lot. I stole clothing, candy, CDs... anything that I couldn't buy. I did this precisely because I didn't think I had anything to lose. Now I've realized that I did, and do, have a lot to lose from stealing. Since about 12 yrs old I haven't gone back.

On May 1st the illegal aliens did not shop, or go into a business.
Sales decreased by over 4 percent.

Theft decreased by over 50 percent.



A source would be nice on that claim, ......

YES, it would, wouldn't it!?!

Maybe we'll get it about the same time we get the proof on the US finding 500 tons of yellowcake uranium in Iraq.

.....but I would not be surprised one bit if it was true.

Oh come on!!........surely no person in their right mind would believe such a preposterous claim.

What percentage of of the entire population living in the US are illegal aliens? 3 percent?? ......4 percent?? What percentage of THAT small percentage are illegal aliens who regularly go into stores and steal??

Yet ---"theft decreased by 50 percent"-- in America, in one 24 hour span of time?!?!?

Fucking puuuuhllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeze.

The claim is perfectly absurd.

Bullshit you racist fuckwad.

Unless all stores did inventory before and after there is absolutly no way to tell.

I've had you on ignore...now why isn't it working...

Bullshit you racist fuckwad.
In my post I stated that it was NOT because of their race. How do you claim that I am racist because of that?

I'm a realist. I believe that all races have the same initial potential, yet because of the situations which they grow up in, they do not come to the same results. There are differences in the economic status' of different countries, there are differences in the education of different countries and in many other catagories as well. I am simply stating trends based on common knowledge.

It is not racist to say that Mexico is a poor country in comparison to the US. It is not racist to say that the majority of people living in Mexico are Mexican, and it is not racist to state the truth about the majority of Mexicans from those two facts.

I have friends of many races that are intelligent and are well-off, yet they mostly had a good upbringing and good educations. I have the utmost respect for people who manage to succeed in worse conditions.

When did Spanish speaking become a race? If Spanish speaking does not denote a race then Quarter ton is making false accusations. Is English speaking a race? If it is that means the people in Great Britain, Ireland, Kenya, South Africa, India and the U.S. constitute a single race.

When did Spanish speaking become a race? If Spanish speaking does not denote a race then Quarter ton is making false accusations. Is English speaking a race? If it is that means the people in Great Britain, Ireland, Kenya, South Africa, India and the U.S. constitute a single race.First of all, I believe 500lbguerilla was responding to gmsisko1's original racist post, the one you thought was so funny. It's fair to assume that when gmsisko1 speaks of illegal aliens and crime he is refering to Hispanics. Hispanics can be considered a race.

thanks sedan.

On May 1st the illegal aliens did not shop, or go into a business.
Sales decreased by over 4 percent.

Theft decreased by over 50 percent.

Here is the original post to which you refered, Sedan. Please show me where the phrase, Spanish speaking or the word Mexican is in the post.

gmsisko1 used the term illegal aliens. To my understanding that term denotes those who have entered this country illegaly from any country, not just from Latin American and Spanish speaking countries. In New York there were Chinese, Irish and Hatians demonstrating also.

As to 500's accusation of racism, and your defense of this term, you are using it incorrectly. If you think gmsisko1 is a bigot for being anti-illegal alien that is one thing but calling him a racist is quite another thing. When making unfounded accusations against another poster at least try to get your terminology right.

...........................YEP!



Here is the original post to which you refered, Sedan. Please show me where the phrase, Spanish speaking or the word Mexican is in the post.

gmsisko1 used the term illegal aliens. To my understanding that term denotes those who have entered this country illegaly from any country, not just from Latin American and Spanish speaking countries. In New York there were Chinese, Irish and Hatians demonstrating also.

As to 500's accusation of racism, and your defense of this term, you are using it incorrectly. If you think gmsisko1 is a bigot for being anti-illegal alien that is one thing but calling him a racist is quite another thing. When making unfounded accusations against another poster at least try to get your terminology right.

You are an Inch Whipper. I am not a racist fuckwad.

My wife is from Brazil.
That makes her Brazillian. She is here legally. We paid the fees to bring her here correctly. It's not fair if the illegals get to get in line in front of the rest of her family.


Bullshit you racist fuckwad.

Unless all stores did inventory before and after there is absolutly no way to tell.

I've had you on ignore...now why isn't it working...

On May 1st the illegal aliens did not shop, or go into a business.
Sales decreased by over 4 percent.

Theft decreased by over 50 percent.Here is the original post to which you refered, Sedan. Please show me where the phrase, Spanish speaking or the word Mexican is in the post.First of all, I believe 500lbguerilla was responding to gmsisko1's original racist post, the one you thought was so funny. It's fair to assume that when gmsisko1 speaks of illegal aliens and crime he is referring to Hispanics. Hispanics can be considered a race.Here is the post to which you referred, Frogger. Please show me where the phrase 'Spanish speaking' or the word 'Mexican' is in the post. I don't know why you think this is relevant.gmsisko1 used the term illegal aliens. To my understanding that term denotes those who have entered this country illegaly from any country, not just from Latin American and Spanish speaking countries. In New York there were Chinese, Irish and Hatians demonstrating also.What gmsisko1 posted is an outright lie. His lie attacks a large group of people wtih a broad brush. It generalizes. It furthers a common racist stereotype (that Hispanics are thieves). That makes it racist. You can be naive, if you like, and pretend that he did not have Hispanics in mind when he made the post. But even so, how does pointing out that other races protested make his statement any less racist? If anything, that makes it even more so.As to 500's accusation of racism, and your defense of this term, you are using it incorrectly. If you think gmsisko1 is a bigot for being anti-illegal alien that is one thing but calling him a racist is quite another thing. When making unfounded accusations against another poster at least try to get your terminology right.One can be a bigot and a racist at the same time. The two terms are not mutually exclusive.

What gmsisko1 posted is an outright lie. His lie attacks a large group of people wtih a broad brush. It generalizes. It furthers a common racist stereotype (that Hispanics are thieves). That makes it racist.

This is not true. gmsisko1 is not being prejudiced or discriminating based on race. He is stating a statistic. Whether it's true or not is not the issue you are arguing against.

Stating a fact that furthers a stereotype is not being racist. I could state that America is richer than Iraq. I am not racist against Iraqis, but your argument would imply that I was.

Being racist is acting on stereotypes or race. Facts that may create stereotypes do not mean that there is any racism involved.

You are throwing the word 'racist' around and preventing race from being discussed by branding those who start to discuss it by calling them racists.

Being racist is acting on stereotypes or race. Facts that may create stereotypes do not mean that there is any racism involved.
Shhh! 500 may hear you, and it will upset the delicate ideal that it is racism to acknowledge minorities have higher crime rates while not addressing standard of living in tandem. For shame Wind...

Stating a fact that furthers a stereotype is not being racist.Telling a lie that furthers a sterotype is being a racist. A 50% decrease in theft in a single day? Do the math. For this to be true illegal aliens would have to be responsible for at least 50% of all theft to begin with, and then all those crimes would have to be committed in the workplace! You can call such a statistic a 'fact' if you like but I won't. There's a reason gmsisko1 can not back up his statement: it isn't true.

Whether his statement is true or not it is not racist. It is anti-illegal alien, not anti any particular race. Nowhere in his post did he mention any particular race. His post addressed people who enter this country illegally and saying being anti-illegal alien is racist is no different than saying being anti-thief or being anti- traffic offenders is racist.

The fact that neither 500 pounder or Sedan know what racism entails does not make gmsisko1 a racist. What it does do is illustrate the fact that certain people will toss the highly emotional and loaded word racist at anyone with whom they disagree. It is akin to calling someone a NAZI because you don't like what he posted.

Both Quarter Ton and Sedan owe gmsisko an apology. Of course, I don't expect one to be coming.

Telling a lie that furthers a sterotype is being a racist.

Telling a fact that furthers stereotypes is not racist. Telling a lie which you believe is a fact is not racist either. Telling a lie intentionally BECAUSE of your view of a certain race IS racist behavior.

You're calling him a racist because of the statistic he had heard somewhere; because he repeated that statistic. Think about it for a second.

A 50% decrease in theft in a single day? Do the math. For this to be true illegal aliens would have to be responsible for at least 50% of all theft to begin with, and then all those crimes would have to be committed in the workplace!
Yes, improbable and likely is not true. I never stated that it was true.

You can call such a statistic a 'fact' if you like but I won't.
I never did.

The crux of the matter is, gmsisko never mentioned race. Both Quarter Ton and Sedan assumed he meant Hispanics and even if he had meant them they are not a race. They are a language group and a very diverse one at that.

If I say the French are surrender monkies that is not being racist. It is being bigotted. If I say illegal aliens tend to be thieves that is not racist. It is being judgemental and probably wrong.

Certain words carry so much weight that people should think carefully before using them. Words like anti-Semite, racists, homophobe, pedophile, NAZI have far too much baggage to be carelessly thrown about.

gm repeated a joke with the key words illegal alien and crime.
If telling a joke is bigoted, there's at least as much bigotry in concluding that he was referring to hispanics.

Thank you, Brooks. I have been trying to explain that to those accusing gmsisko of racism but they just can't seem to grasp the concept.

The crux of the matter is, gmsisko never mentioned race. Both Quarter Ton and Sedan assumed he meant Hispanics and even if he had meant them they are not a race.
They are a race group in the same vein as "whites" or "blacks." Whether you disagree with how the term is used, it is quite obviously used to mention someone from Latin America.

Speaking the same language does not make you part of the same race.

Spanish is spoken in the following places:
Mexico
Colombia
Argentina
Spain
United States
Venezuela
Peru
Chile
Cuba
Ecuador
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Honduras
Guatemala
Nicaragua
Bolivia
Costa Rica
Uruguay
Puerto Rico
Panama
Paraguay
Equatorial Guinea
The Phillippines
Ceuta
Melilla
Ifni
Spanish Sahara

By no stretch of the imagination could all these people be considered part of the same race.

By the same token, English is spoken by people from Belize and Portuguese by those from Brazil so if language is the factor not even all South or Cental Americans can be considered members of the same race.

gmsisko's post dealt with illegal aliens not with any one race. To call him a racist is a misuse of the term and was done for the emotional impact such a term has.

Once again, I will just call you an Inch Whipper. I am no racist, I am no fuckwad.




Bullshit you racist fuckwad.

Unless all stores did inventory before and after there is absolutly no way to tell.

I've had you on ignore...now why isn't it working...

Here I'll just quote myself. It seems these people don't care about fact. They just want to throw the word recist around if it fits their cause.
This whole thread was supposed to just be a joke. Many of the illegals steal, many citizens steal aswell.



You are an Inch Whipper. I am not a racist fuckwad.

My wife is from Brazil.
That makes her Brazillian. She is here legally. We paid the fees to bring her here correctly. It's not fair if the illegals get to get in line in front of the rest of her family.

I believe you gmsisko1. Those who want to toss the word racist around as some part of their political agenda will continue to do so. Get used to it.

By no stretch of the imagination could all these people be considered part of the same race.
'They are a race group in the same vein as "whites" or "blacks."'

Bullshit you racist fuckwad.
If I had a nickel for everytime guerilla uses the word "racist"...

[at any rate, I fail to see what could have possbly struck anyone as the least bit "funny" about the statistics that gmsisko posted]
That is why you fail.

'They are a race group in the same vein as "whites" or "blacks."'

Sorry, evakian, but no, they are not, Whites and Blacks, along with Asians and Negritos share certain racial characteristics. Spanish speakers do not necessarily share certain racial characteristics. Spanish speakers may belong to different races, usually White or Black or may be a mixture of different races, ie Mestizos. Spanish speakers may be pure blooded Indians, members of the Mongoloid or Asian racial group.

People keep confusing race with language group.

Even those confused about the terminology have no cause to call gmsiskol1 a racist. He made no mention of Mexicans, Central Americans, Latin Americans, Latinos, Hispanics or anything else refering to Spanish speakers. He used the term illegal aliens. Since illegal aliens come from many parts of the world, not just Mexico and the surrounding countries but also from Africa, Haiti, Ireland, China, Europe and probably even Canada it is a race neutral word.

Those who use(d) the term racist in refering to gmsiskol1 and/or his post are either purposely or mistakenly misusing it. I tend to think it is purposeful.

Sorry, evakian, but no, they are not
Better tell the government to stop putting "hispanic" on official forms then.
People keep confusing race with language group.
Hispanic refers to all things Spanish-culture, race, language, etc.
Map of the hispanic world:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2b/Map-Hispanic_countries.png/800px-Map-Hispanic_countries.png
A great deal of the people in these areas do share Amerindian and Spanish race characteristics.
Since illegal aliens come from many parts of the world, not just Mexico and the surrounding countries but also from Africa, Haiti, Ireland, China, Europe and probably even Canada it is a race neutral word.
I have no quarrel with what sisko said, I don't believe it and found it humorous, but it was rather obvious he was referring to the massive influx of illegal immigrants from Mexico (and the rest of Central America). That is generally what one thinks of when you say "illegal immigrant", that is the majority of the population that took part in the protest, and that was the reason for the protest.

On another note, if Guerilla dares to toss around that term so flagrantly in the future, I have a bone to pick.

If you still believe "Hispanics" means "RACE" check the following:
Go to Google and type Xuxa (pictures) ...
" " " " " Maradona (Pictures) ...
" " " " " Hugo Chavez (pictures) ...
" " " " " Pinochet (pictures) ...
" " " " " Pancho Villa (pictures) ...
" " " " " Rocío Dúrcal (pictures) ...
" " " " " Alejandro Toledo (pictures) ...
" " " " " Celia Cruz (pictures) ...
" " " " " Salma Hayek (pictures) ...
" " " " " Jennifer Lopez (pictures) ...
" " " " " Monica Santa Maria (pictures) ...
" " " " " Almendra Gomelsky (pictures) ...
" " " " " Teofilo Cubillas (pictures) ...

Enough? ...........................

If you still believe "Hispanics" means "RACE" check the following:
Ff you can point out where anyone made the claim that "hispanics" are a solitary race, feel free to point that out to me.

gm, don't fret over being called racist. The word has almost become meaningless due to excessive use.

There is so much crap flowing through this thread that it's hard to know where to begin. Let's start with Frogger's assertion that 'Hispanic' is not a race. While the word does mean "a Spanish-speaking person" it has become, through common usage, synonymous with 'Latino'. The main reason for this is that most people of Latin American descent prefer the term "Hispanic' to 'Latino' and we generally call people by the name they prefer.

So the question becomes "Are people of Latin American descent, formerly called Latinos but now known as Hispanics, a race?" The answer, of course, is yes. The Federal government says they are. State governments say they are. Schools, colleges and universities say they are. Employers and insurance companies say they are. Hispanics are a race according to the US Census Bureau and they are a race for purposes of affirmative action. As much as Frogger would like to quibble with the semantics of the word, the reality is that in our society today 'Hispanic' is a race.

Now, why did this issue ever come up in the first place? It began when Frogger posted this:When did Spanish speaking become a race? If Spanish speaking does not denote a race then Quarter ton is making false accusations. Is English speaking a race? If it is that means the people in Great Britain, Ireland, Kenya, South Africa, India and the U.S. constitute a single race.It's important to note something here. Up to this point in the thread no one had said a word about Spanish-speaking people or Hispanics. 500lbGuerilla has correctly surmised that gmsisko1 is, in fact, referring to illegal aliens of Latin American descent. Frogger, by making this remark in defense of gmsisko1 reveals that he is thinking the exact same thing. He knows exactly why Guerilla has called gmsisko1 a racist - and so begins his defense by claiming that Spanish-speaking people (or Hispanics) are not a race. Why is this important? Because later Frogger will claim that gmsisko1 must have meant all sorts of illegal aliens, not just those of Latin American descent or (gasp!) Mexicans. But he knew right from the start who gmsisko1 really meant. That's why he thought it was funny, and that's why he sought to rebut an assertion that no one had yet made (namely, that Hispanics are a race).On May 1st the illegal aliens did not shop, or go into a business.
Sales decreased by over 4 percent.

Theft decreased by over 50 percent.I must admit, I heard the news from a credible source, but I can't find it in any of the news sites. (I actually heard it from a Federal Judge)Here I'll just quote myself. It seems these people don't care about fact. They just want to throw the word recist around if it fits their cause. This whole thread was supposed to just be a joke. Many of the illegals steal, many citizens steal aswell.If this is a joke, why did you say that this was 'news from a credible source'? Why did you say that you had heard it from a Federal judge? To make it more not-funny? And if you think it's funny do you think so because 'everyone knows those illegal Asians are thieves'? Or is it funny because 'everyone knows those illegal Irish are thieves'? No. You think it's funny because 'everyone know those illegal Mexicans are thieves'. That's why you think it's funny and that's why your little joke is racist.

Evakian, if you've a bone to pick with anyone, pick it with me. You seem to understand what's going on here but don't like to hear the word 'racist' thrown around. Let me give you an example of why I think gmsisko1's 'joke' is racist. If I ask you "What do you call 5 black guys in a Mercedes?" and then tell you "Grand Theft Auto" I've just told you a racist joke. Now if I ask you the same question but say 'illegal aliens' instead of 'black guys', is the joke all of a sudden not racist? Of course not. It's racist as hell and we both know it.

If this is a joke, why did you say that this was 'news from a credible source'?

LOL.

I think everyone here realizes that waldo was busted for his bullshit story and that he's been reduced to trotting out the (lame assed) Limbaughesque last-line-of-defense-when-exposed-for-making-an-idiotic-claim;

"Aww....come on peee-pulll!!, I wuz just JOKING!!!"

Now, why did this issue ever come up in the first place? It began when Frogger posted this.....It's important to note something here. Up to this point in the thread no one had said a word about Spanish-speaking people or Hispanics.
Post 9 - Lionel said "Mexican"
Post 11 - WindWip said "Mexican"
Post 15 - Frogger posed his question

As to 500's accusation of racism, and your defense of this term, you are using it incorrectly. If you think gmsisko1 is a bigot for being anti-illegal alien that is one thing but calling him a racist is quite another thing
nationalism is racism.

Nationalism is racism? Elaborate.

While the word does mean "a Spanish-speaking person" it has become, through common usage, synonymous with 'Latino'.
Race : "A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics."

Race is an objective, scientifically provable trait.

If Hispanic were truly a race, then "Native Americans", who are genetically closely related, would also be Hispanic. They are not.

Hispanic is an invented "race" for political purposes, not genetic.

The first accusation of racism was made by 500poundguerilla after twelve posts had been made with no mention of it. It should be remembered that this is the same 500poundguerilla who claims that nationalism is racism. It seems Quarter Ton sees racism lurking behind every corner.

The next accusation of racism is made by Sedan in post sixteen,

It is obvious that neither Quarter Ton nor Sedan knows what racism is. They got racism mixed up with bigotry and are now using convoluted logic to try to defend their error.

Post 9 - Lionel said "Mexican"
Post 11 - WindWip said "Mexican"
Post 15 - Frogger posed his questionYou are correct. But Frogger was not responding to Lionel or WindWip. He was responding to 500lbGuerilla who was responding to gmsisko1. I was tracing the line of the pertinent argument, not the entire thread. My apologies.

BTW, since the thread is degenerating into semantic quibbles anyway, the word 'Mexican' is not the same as 'Spanish-speaking' or 'Hispanic'. Is that pathetic or what?

Be that as it may, the word racist is not the same as the word bigot.

Semantics is very important when you accuse someone of being a racist.

The main reason for this is that most people of Latin American descent prefer the term "Hispanic' to 'Latino' and we generally call people by the name they prefer.
Most Latinos I run into on a daily basis prefer "latino" over "hispanic", that can even be seen in the media at times. Some even get offended by the term "hispanic."

Evakian, if you've a bone to pick with anyone, pick it with me. You seem to understand what's going on here but don't like to hear the word 'racist' thrown around.
It is a very extreme accusation, that's why.

If I ask you "What do you call 5 black guys in a Mercedes?" and then tell you "Grand Theft Auto" I've just told you a racist joke.
Teehee.

Now if I ask you the same question but say 'illegal aliens' instead of 'black guys', is the joke all of a sudden not racist? Of course not. It's racist as hell and we both know it.
Of course there is a degree of racism lingering in all jokes that involve the mentioning of race, and I'm not taking Frogger's side. Common sense tells us that when he said "illegal aliens", he meant the throngs of Mexicans and Central Americans flooding into the US. But racism, in my view, is a very hate-filled word, only those expressing that some races are lesser or that a race is better than others deserves such a label. Using racial stereotypes in the context of a joke isn't necessarily racism, it is just the use of stereotypes for comedic effect.

Common sense tells us that when he said "illegal aliens", he meant the throngs of Mexicans and Central Americans flooding into the US.

Even if he did mean the throngs of Mexicans and Central Americans flooding into the U.S. (soming which certain posters inferred but which was never stated), the joke was not racist. He did not imply that Mexicans or Central Americans in general were theives, only that people who are willing to break the law in one instance are much more likely to be general law breakers.

Now if I ask you the same question but say 'illegal aliens' instead of 'black guys', is the joke all of a sudden not racist? Of course not. It's racist as hell and we both know it..We're having enough trouble deciding whether or not Hispanic is a race. Can't we at least agree that "illegal aliens" is not a race?

PS - I hope the illegal alien car thieves weren't Chinese. They're deadly behind the wheel.

Grammer Nazis love missing the point.

Racism is fucking stupid because it says people are this way because of who they are related to.

Nationalism is fucking stupid because it says these people are this way because of where they come from.

It is racism when it seeks to prop up or bring down one side. Making observations about things is not racist. However it seems that the suppossed 'statistic' cited that started theis nonsense has never materialized. Hence its bullshit racism.

Seems we've a Vendetta fan out of you guerilla, love the sig.

Of course there is a degree of racism lingering in all jokes that involve the mentioning of race, and I'm not taking Frogger's side. Common sense tells us that when he said "illegal aliens", he meant the throngs of Mexicans and Central Americans flooding into the US. But racism, in my view, is a very hate-filled word, only those expressing that some races are lesser or that a race is better than others deserves such a label. Using racial stereotypes in the context of a joke isn't necessarily racism, it is just the use of stereotypes for comedic effect.So gmsisko1's 'joke' contained a degree of racism but wasn't necessarily racist? I think you just don't like the word. If you don't think telling a racist joke necessarily makes one a racist, I'll accept that (and yes, I know I just told one but that was for the purpose of the argument). For me, though, the bottom line remains that gmsisko1's 'joke' was racist. I don't know enough about him to say if he is a racist himself or not.

If you don't think telling a racist joke necessarily makes one a racist, I'll accept that (and yes, I know I just told one but that was for the purpose of the argument).
Good, you racist pigdog.
For me, though, the bottom line remains that gmsisko1's 'joke' was racist. I don't know enough about him to say if he is a racist himself or not.
It wasn't really an intended "joke", but was just funny, and the fact that he tried to back it up makes it funnier.

Even if he did mean the throngs of Mexicans and Central Americans flooding into the U.S. (soming which certain posters inferred but which was never stated), the joke was not racist. He did not imply that Mexicans or Central Americans in general were theives, only that people who are willing to break the law in one instance are much more likely to be general law breakers.If he meant (and he did) the throngs of Mexicans and Central Americans then he most definitely DID call them thieves in general by implying that they are responsible for 50% of the theft in this country. I would think that accomplishing theft on so grand a scale would require more than a few prodigious individuals. And I love how Frogger says I'm guilty of inferring gmsisko1's meaning. He has no problem doing so himself when it's convenient.

Good, you racist pigdog.Religion has nothing to do with this, you anti-Semantite.

And I love how Frogger says I'm guilty of inferring gmsisko1's meaning. He has no problem doing so himself when it's convenient.

The difference is, when you do it you are wrong and when I do it I am right because, "I am toadly right all the time." :lolhit:

Hey Inch Whipper. I don't like it when you toss words around. I did not mention race. I did not intend anything to seem racist. How can I be racist? I married someone from another race.


So gmsisko1's 'joke' contained a degree of racism but wasn't necessarily racist? I think you just don't like the word. If you don't think telling a racist joke necessarily makes one a racist, I'll accept that (and yes, I know I just told one but that was for the purpose of the argument). For me, though, the bottom line remains that gmsisko1's 'joke' was racist. I don't know enough about him to say if he is a racist himself or not.

Hey Inch Whipper. I don't like it when you toss words around. I did not mention race. I did not intend anything to seem racist. How can I be racist? I married someone from another race.
Being married to someone of another race doesn't make it impossible for one to make "racist" comments.

Well like it or not, I am no racist. I am all for immigration from any counrty.
(Legal immigration)


Being married to someone of another race doesn't make it impossible for one to make "racist" comments.

If anyone believes Hispanic is truly a race, please tell me why Native Americans, who are genetically linked, aren't considered Hispanic (a pretty good point which I think was ignored).

If anyone believes Hispanic is truly a race, please tell me why Native Americans, who are genetically linked, aren't considered Hispanic (a pretty good point which I think was ignored).
No one here appears to believe that (phew), but to answer your question: Hispanic refers to all things Spanish----language, culture, ethnicity even. "Native North Americans" have their own ways separate from Spain's imperialization, the same cannot be said for the Amerindian tribes of say, Colombia.

Hey Inch Whipper. I don't like it when you toss words around. I did not mention race. I did not intend anything to seem racist. How can I be racist? I married someone from another race. "Boo-hoo...all I did was imply all hispanics were theives and now your calling me names...whine whine whine..."

Just like a liberal! putting words in people's mouth. When did I say Hispanics?


"Boo-hoo...all I did was imply all hispanics were theives and now your calling me names...whine whine whine..."

Just like a liberal! putting words in people's mouth. When did I say Hispanics?
When you used the phrase "illegal immigrants", a group that to America is mostly of hispanic origin, you implied that hispanics, particularly the migrants living here in America, are thieves, and don't contribute much at all to the economy.

No one here appears to believe that (phew), but to answer your question: Hispanic refers to all things Spanish----language, culture, ethnicity even. "Native North Americans" have their own ways separate from Spain's imperialization, the same cannot be said for the Amerindian tribes of say, Colombia.But "race" is a genetic grouping, not a cultural one. Those things you describe are not components of a race.

But "race" is a genetic grouping, not a cultural one. Those things you describe are not components of a race.Are Latinos white?

Ive been tracking this thread with interest,may I ask,''Is this a white thing''.

But "race" is a genetic grouping, not a cultural one. Those things you describe are not components of a race.
Did I say Hispanic was a race?

evakian, while you didn't come out and say Hispanics are a race you did imply it.

Of course there is a degree of racism lingering in all jokes that involve the mentioning of race, and I'm not taking Frogger's side. Common sense tells us that when he said "illegal aliens", he meant the throngs of Mexicans and Central Americans flooding into the US.

evakian, while you didn't come out and say Hispanics are a race you did imply it.
Nonsense, are all "Mexicans and Central Americans" a single race? Did I ever say anywhere that "hispanic" is a single race? No and no.

I shouldn't have to reposst this but apparently some people are having a comprehension problem
Grammer Nazis love missing the point.

Racism is fucking stupid because it says people are this way because of who they are related to.

Nationalism is fucking stupid because it says these people are this way because of where they come from.

It is racism when it seeks to prop up or bring down one side. Making observations about things is not racist. However it seems that the suppossed 'statistic' cited that started theis nonsense has never materialized. Hence its bullshit racism.
If you don't like being called a racist then you can be a bigot. There happy now?