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DaveTooner
04-23-2003, 11:41 AM
The Federalist is a weekly email newsletter for conservatives (highly recommended, by the way). Each issue has a "Village Idiots" section. Here's what was in it today:

From the "Moral Innumeracy" Files, Part II: "If this is murder,
well, then any time a late-term fetus is aborted, they could
call it murder. There's something about this that bothers me a
little bit. Was it born, or was it unborn? If it was unborn,
then I can't see charging ... a double-murder." --Mavra Stark,
NOW President for the Morris County, New Jersey, chapter,
objecting to charges of murder brought against Scott Peterson
for causing the intentional deaths of his wife, Laci Peterson,
and his unborn son, Conner. (After other NOW officials gave a
wide berth to her comments, Stark also distanced herself from
these earlier remarks as "ruminations.")

This week's dose
of "B.S": "What's next? Will the Bush administration install
a puppet government in Iraq? ...Will American corporations with
uncomfortably close White House and Pentagon connections reap the
spoils of war? Will the United States use this victory as a blank
check to go after every other government we don't like? ...The
'thrill' of war and victory can become addicting." --Barbra
Streisand **And evidently also addicting can be the "thrill" of
Hollywonk "punditry."
This week's "Periplaneta Americana"
Award: "You know it's ironic we're fighting for democracy in Iraq
because we ultimately aren't celebrating democracy here. Because
anybody who has anything to say against the war or against the
president or whatever -- is punished, and that's not democracy --
it's people being intolerant. And you know, everyone's entitled to
their opinion, for or against, and that's what our constitutional
rights are supposed to be, that we all have the freedom to express
ourselves and voice our dissent if we have that." --Madonna

From the "Disgruntled Villagers" Department: "This isn't over.
We're just digging in now. Everybody, celebrities included,
can't suspend their principles because the Iraq war ended.
And thanks to all the Ed Asners and Susan Sarandons out there,
Bush did not have absolute complicity in the war. The whole world
was not going, 'rah rah rah'." --Xochitl Johnson

From the
"Village Academic Curriculum" Files: "Tim reflects who we are
and what we try to teach in an undergraduate theater education
at UCLA." --UCLA theater professor Gary Gardner on the choice of
outspoken Leftist anti-war Hollywonk Tim Robbins as "Alumnus of
the Year" at the California university

Travh20
04-23-2003, 12:49 PM
LOL, those are great, whats the adress dave?

DaveTooner
04-23-2003, 02:55 PM
You can sign up at www.federalist.com . I think you can also read the whole newsletter at the site.

Travh20
04-23-2003, 06:02 PM
duh! should have tried that, thanks dave.

Leper
04-23-2003, 10:08 PM
Heh. I don't see anything that I would laugh at. I guess if you take a legitimate viewpoint and place it in the "village idiots" section, then it becomes funny?

DaveTooner
04-24-2003, 08:35 AM
You are a leftist. Of course you wouldn't find these things ridiculous.

Leper
04-24-2003, 09:52 AM
Is it not inconsistant to allow an unborn child to be aborted and then call it a murder when someone else kills it?

Blibblob
04-24-2003, 05:04 PM
I love bullshit, it's so funny.

Travh20
04-24-2003, 06:47 PM
yes leper, it is inconsistant to allow unborn children to be murdered and at the same time condem the murderer. What the hell do you think we have been saying this whole time?

Blibblob
04-24-2003, 07:06 PM
LOL trav! That was great! What a nice post, where's the lack of contradiction? We allow abortion, but when somebody murders a person with an unborn child, it's two counts?

Leper
04-24-2003, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
yes leper, it is inconsistant to allow unborn children to be murdered and at the same time condem the murderer. What the hell do you think we have been saying this whole time?

Well, it also strikes me as inconsistent to find such an opinion laughable in one post and condone it two posts later....

Travh20
04-24-2003, 08:06 PM
What are you talking about leper? have you lost your mind? I have said all along scott peterson should be tried for double murder, find a post where I said he shouldnt and I will buy you a hamburger.

DaveTooner
04-24-2003, 09:25 PM
Yeah Leper it is inconsistent, but the quote isn't ridiculous because we "don't see the inconsistency" as you are alledging. It is ridiculous because this lady doesn't think he should be charged. What a little leftist pinko.

Leper
04-24-2003, 09:54 PM
Dave-

So you think he should be charged with a DOUBLE homicide, if indeed the child was unborn and abortion is legal?

I still fail to see the humor. I think it's a very debatable topic she brings up. If she's backpedaling, it's only because she doesn't want to get mired in an abortion debate.

Leper
04-24-2003, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
What are you talking about leper? have you lost your mind? I have said all along scott peterson should be tried for double murder, find a post where I said he shouldnt and I will buy you a hamburger.

I must have lost my mind, because it seems you're speaking out of both sides of your mouth.

Okay, you think abortion is murder, therefore you think it's okay to support a murder charge for killing an unborn baby, right? If that's so, I have no problem with that; it's a consistent viewpoint.

But the fact is that abortion is not legally murder. However, they want to charge the guy for murder for the death of a fetus despite that a mother may decide to do that herself w/out legal repercussions (Spellcheck that for me, will you?). That is an inconsistency. And I, like the attorney that's been included in this "village idiots" section of your little paper, think that's a miscarraige of justice. It's not "idiotic," it's perceptive and a valid point.

Travh20
04-24-2003, 11:43 PM
god do you liberals ever display any conscience whatsoever? I thought you were supposed to be the great defenders of the downtrodden and helpless, well you cant get much more helpless than a baby. You dont seem to give a crap about anything but your "issues", well fuck you you sick twisted bastard. Sorry, I got a little emotional there, seriously though, go to hell.

mad dog
04-25-2003, 07:41 AM
Lets charge him with all the other children she planed on having?

This is a touchy subject, but because she was not planing on an abortion and the baby was almost ready to be born maybe they should charge him with double murder. Either way he has killed whether it be one or one hundred the bottom line his that he needs to pay for the crime of murder not the total number of murders.

DaveTooner
04-25-2003, 09:58 AM
Dave-

So you think he should be charged with a DOUBLE homicide, if indeed the child was unborn and abortion is legal?

I still fail to see the humor. I think it's a very debatable topic she brings up. If she's backpedaling, it's only because she doesn't want to get mired in an abortion debate.

Leper you are missing the point. The point is that she doesn't think there's anything wrong with killing an 8 month old child. It isn't murder in her eyes, whether it is by abortion, a gun, a knife, etc etc. That is what's absurd.

Leper
04-25-2003, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by DaveTooner
Leper you are missing the point. The point is that she doesn't think there's anything wrong with killing an 8 month old child. It isn't murder in her eyes, whether it is by abortion, a gun, a knife, etc etc. That is what's absurd.

No, I think YOU are missing HER point. She's not condoning abortion. She's criticizing an inconsistency in the law.

Leper
04-25-2003, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by Travh20
god do you liberals ever display any conscience whatsoever? I thought you were supposed to be the great defenders of the downtrodden and helpless, well you cant get much more helpless than a baby. You dont seem to give a crap about anything but your "issues", well fuck you you sick twisted bastard. Sorry, I got a little emotional there, seriously though, go to hell.

Huh? This IS directed at me isn't it?

If so, are you delibferately missing my point? How does MY conscience come into play here? I'm not offering any perspective regarding abortion. I'm defending the criticism of a law's inconsistency.

Although it's besides the point, saying things like "fuck you you sick twisted bastard" in response to a benign argument don't exactly encourage me to adopt your ideas of what role one's conscience should play.

Travh20
04-25-2003, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by Leper
No, I think YOU are missing HER point. She's not condoning abortion. She's criticizing an inconsistency in the law.
A president of a NOW chapter is not condoning abortion? LOL, thats like saying Osama Bin laden is not condoning terrorism.

Leper
04-25-2003, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
A president of a NOW chapter is not condoning abortion? LOL, thats like saying Osama Bin laden is not condoning terrorism.

I guess it's just too much to ask of you to look past a label and examine the substance of what someone is saying.....

I should know better. I guess I'm just hard up for a decent debate since most of the intelligent people have stopped posting in the past couple of weeks.

es347fan
04-25-2003, 12:54 PM
You're spinning your wheels.

BorgHunter
04-25-2003, 01:41 PM
Leper, you don't consider es347 intelligent? I do, he's probably the most intelligent one here.

Travh20
04-25-2003, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by Leper
I guess it's just too much to ask of you to look past a label and examine the substance of what someone is saying.....

I should know better. I guess I'm just hard up for a decent debate since most of the intelligent people have stopped posting in the past couple of weeks.

Oh give me a break Leper!! You really believe she was saying that just to stick up for the law!!!?? you truly are naieve. NOW is a PRO ABORTION GROUP, that is their pet issue, if you think that that isnt their reason for this whole thing you are a moron

es347fan
04-25-2003, 03:32 PM
thankew, thankew verry much

Blibblob
04-25-2003, 07:34 PM
Leper, don't try to use backdoor logic with these morons. They just don't understand that by making yourself look like the bad guy, you could fix the world. Unfortunatly that woman doesn't get what she is doing either. Possibly, in the end, abortion could be outlawed. Hopefully somebody understood what I just said.

Travh20
04-25-2003, 09:14 PM
backdoor logic, is that what you and your buddies practice in the wee hours out behind your parents garage?

es347fan
04-25-2003, 09:18 PM
one can only hope they've learned the concept of providing a good reach-around and practice same

Blibblob
04-26-2003, 07:09 AM
Read Dune and you might get to understanding that logic.

DaveTooner
04-27-2003, 02:08 PM
Yes, abortion is NOW's major issue. They support it strongly. No matter how late the abortion is.