What idiots. (http://www.probush.com/traitor.htm)
IF YOU DO NOT SUPPORT OUR PRESIDENT'S DECISIONS YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO OUR COUNTRY!
[Note: All caps is from the site I am quoting from and not me.]
Okay, let's see here. I shall disprove this. First, let's take the definiton of traitor:

trai·tor n.
One who betrays one's country, a cause, or a trust, especially one who commits treason.

So...disagreeing with your president is betraying your country. Most important here I think is the First Amendment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. (emphasis mine)

Now, despite the fact that the First Amendment obviously protects our right to disagree with the President, we are committing treason by disagreeing with war. This, in my mind, is the epitome of stupidity. MORONS!

who are you calling morons, the people who made up the defenition of the word traitor? ANd who is stopping free speech of the peace idiots? All we are doing is having our own free speech to counter yours, we dont like or agree with what you say, adn you dont like or agree with what we say, but it is us who is stopping your "right to free spech"? The left can dish it out but cant take it. That is stupid.

who are you calling morons, the people who made up the defenition of the word traitor? ANd who is stopping free speech of the peace idiots? All we are doing is having our own free speech to counter yours, we dont like or agree with what you say, adn you dont like or agree with what we say, but it is us who is stopping your "right to free spech"? The left can dish it out but cant take it. That is stupid.
But calling it treason? That's treasonish!

ok, so to you its only free speech if you agree with the left? and if you dont you cant use certain words? believe it or not, the crap you and your ilk spew forth every day is just as obscene and nauseating to us as what we say is to you. But, if we dare criticize you, as is what you say you are doing by laying in the streets blocking traffic and throing up all over city hall steps, we are trampling on your rights? Get over it, your cause and beliefs are dead, no amount of pointless facts and quotes will change that kid.

ok, so to you its only free speech if you agree with the left? and if you dont you cant use certain words? believe it or not, the crap you and your ilk spew forth every day is just as obscene and nauseating to us as what we say is to you. But, if we dare criticize you, as is what you say you are doing by laying in the streets blocking traffic and throing up all over city hall steps, we are trampling on your rights? Get over it, your cause and beliefs are dead, no amount of pointless facts and quotes will change that kid.
Oh shut up. You fucking critizize the left every day, FOX even has a block of time where two morons just sit there and complain about us. Treason has a lot to do with freedom of speech, it tends to be the governments favorite thing to do, disagree, and you become a traitor. All countries do that. It's a violation of freedom of speech, and that is treason. To go against the country, disallowing free speech is treason.

You fucking critizize the left every day, FOX even has a block of time where two morons just sit there and complain about us.

Really? What is this show called? I want to watch it!

I don't remember, I came across it one day scanning the channels. It was quite funny. They always agreed with each other. One would say "yeah, the left has no idea what they are talking about" "i agree" "when was the last time they said something intelligent? never!" "ha, i agree. Did you see all those hollywood stars talking about politics, what would they know?" "I agree, they need to just get back to their movies" It was hilarious. They didn't say a single intelligent thing, they just complained.

I think this is an excellent letter on that site, from a person referring to the site's "Traitor List":
Hello, my name is Tymothi Loving, and I'd like to be added to your list of your traitors. Since by your definition of traitors: "IF YOU DO NOT SUPPORT OUR PRESIDENT'S DECISIONS YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO OUR COUNTRY", Martin Luther King, Abraham Lincoln, anyone who stood against the Nazis in Germany, anyone who stood against Andrew Jacksons genocide on the trail of tears (including the supreme court at the time), the first American colonists who stood against the rule of their king, and, essentially, anyone who thinks for themselves instead of automatically obeying the imperial decry passed on from above, I'll be very proud to count myself among them. Of course, those of us who've actually paid attention to little things like the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the history of dissent, and the fact that "just following orders" isn't really an excuse later, aren't actually traitors, just human beings instead of obedient automatons. You are aware that we live in a Democracy, right? And that automatic obedience to a ruler is the definition of fascism? Ah well, please, just add my name to your list.

Damn, somebody beat me too it, I was gonna ask to be added.

Originally posted by Blibblob
Oh shut up. You fucking critizize the left every day, FOX even has a block of time where two morons just sit there and complain about us. Treason has a lot to do with freedom of speech, it tends to be the governments favorite thing to do, disagree, and you become a traitor. All countries do that. It's a violation of freedom of speech, and that is treason. To go against the country, disallowing free speech is treason.


I criticize the left everyday? no shit sherlock, its my "right". For someone who hates the US you sure dig on its fredoms and rights, in fact the first thing a leftist does if he is criticized is accuse you of trying to take away his rights. If it were not for better men than you who had guns and a will to do more than just talk, you would never had obtained or held on to your presious right to be an ungrateful smart ass.

I said that because you told me that I didn't have the right to complain you moron.
ok, so to you its only free speech if you agree with the left?
I think any walking tool with a brain could figure out what that meant. I never indicated anything relating to that.

I said you didnt have a right to complain? No, I think your handlers told you the right wants to take away your rights, and you turned that into me telling you you cant complain anymore, moron.

I believe you can disagree with the Pres., but to use your fame to put him down and call him names is different. I would like to see these actors try to run this country (:D that would be a joke). I don't believe anyone in office should make statements against the Pres. either. Lets say you work for a company, one day you go in and the boss as put your crew on clean up duty. You get mad and start bad mouthing your boss quess what your fired.

Everyone does have the right to free speech, but do they have the right to bash our Pres. If an anti-improvment person has something intelligent to say then I will listen, but if all they are going to do is run off at the mouth, then I say go suck an egg!!!

"Everyone does have the right to free speech, but do they have the right to bash our Pres"(?)

No one should have to give up their rights to bash the POTUS. When klinton was in office, he was bashed repeatedly, publicly, and with gratuitous profanity by yours truly. These guys often make bad decisions & choices, pick any one of the previous 10. The late Pres Nixon was as reviled as any sitting POTUS could be, and everybody got a slice of that pie. Didn't hear much screaming back in those days by those supporting the Pres. What is so different now?

Sorry, Clinton was much more dispicable than Nixon. It's not even close.

Agreed...klinton was a disgrace to the office. An incredible sleaze factor hung around his administration like a greasy cloud. The daily news of his sexual exploits was bad enough for the adults to hear, it was a lot worse when the adult tried to answer the little kid's questions of "what's oral sex, Daddy?" (and variations thereof) when they'd hear reference to it & the Pres on the evening network news.
Nixon got hammered however, by absolutely everyone. Quite simply, there was no support for the Pres, and everyone knew it. Had he not resigned, he'd have been run out of town on a rail, at the very least.

Whatever you may say about Clinton's personal life, his actual Presidential decision-making was excellent and he, quite simply, was the best Pres since JFK. From my perspective, anyway.

Would have been better all around if klinton didn't have to expend so much energy defending / denying / hiding his personal affairs, and could keep up with the job of POTUS. He had a pretty bad reputation in Ark in his pre-governor days, and never shook it off. History will focus on the facts of his impeachment trials & tribulations rather than his administration. Andrew Johnson fares no better in the history books: Andy J (http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entries/37/j0053700.html)

Disagreeing is one thing, but when you call someone a traitor you are suggesting they be shot (or some other savagery).

Shoot me then. I'd like to see some stupid redneck "patriot" shoot me. I'd like to see one of them get off their asses and say something intelligent, other than yell at us and call the left stupid. As soon as one of them learns the deffinition of a traitor, the earth will be sucked into the sun.

Blibblob, will you just shut your freaking pie hole please? We know you are a racist, arrogent, know it all hate mongerer already, jsut shut up. I think I will start calling Blib The Oracle, since he thinks he knows everything.

Whatever you may say about Clinton's personal life, his actual Presidential decision-making was excellent and he, quite simply, was the best Pres since JFK.

Um, what decisions? He did virtually zero while he was in office. All of his big campaign platforms that he ran on got shot down in Congress. And there was a good reason for that!

For real, name one good decision he made!!!!

umm, I think he came up with "dont ask dont tell"

Shot some missiles into the sand.

Well, here's two examples:

# Under President Clinton's leadership, almost 6 million new jobs were created in the first two years of his Administration -- an average of 250,000 new jobs every month.

# In 1994, the economy had the lowest combination of unemployment and inflation in 25 years.

http://www.perkel.com/politics/clinton/accomp.htm

Clintons leadership? thats a good one. Name a policy or act that he did to do these things. All he did was be president at the right time in history. He was an inept, lying discrace to the office of POTUS, and should be jailed. getting his d*** sucked behind his wifes back in the oval office, lounging around all sweaty, selling out to the CHICOMS for political gain, bold faced lying to his people, he was a scumbag.

So, let's just go around praising Reagan and Nixon and how they're shining examples for the Republican party!

The adultery in the Oval Office by klinton doesn't bother me. klinton was a disgrace long before that. When ya consider it, the Oval Office is probably a great place to have a "nooner". Privacy is a certainty, furniture is real nice, and the room service can't be beat. Can't really fault klinton for that -- he's certainly not the first, only the first to get caught, no doubt. We can be assured that St. John Kennedy got his share. klinton's as full of crap as the proverbial x-mas turkey, & his old lady is no better. The further both of them can be kept from the public spotlight, and out of the taxpayer's wallets the better off we all are.

Reagan was a good diplomat! He was a lying fiend, but good at it, thats what makes a politician, to be able to lie and get away with it. I mean, if you told the truth to everybody, where would you get?
"Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have."
Richard Salant, former president of CBS News.

If anyone would know the value of lying it is a communist.

No, *bows head* the Republicans outbeat us on that one. Please, teach us to lie better, you can't revolt truthfully.

No one can lie like a communist. Wow. That's an unfounded accusation if I ever heard one.

so the republicans lie more than thean the communist chinnese or the old USSR? LOL, you people really really hate the Republicans too. I bet you can come up with page after page of proof of how the republicans lied more than the communists. The communists lied to their people, their entire societys were based on lies. they tell their starving, sick citizens that they are actually better off than the rest of the world!! come on, you people are freaking pathetic haters who are misguided and wrong, I really think you should either go to N Korea, Cuba or seek some medical attention.

Remember, Trav, the Maoists and Stalinists are not true Communists, at least according to Blib.

Trav, it is no use. These people are blinded by a false ideology. They wouldn't see the truth if it hit them in the face. They'd say it was a right wing capitalist conspiracy.

Aren't there sick, starving people in the United States that are told they've got it better than everywhere else?

just shut up man, please, I am sick of the left comparing the US to every shit hole despotism they stand behind, like they are all equal. Tell me one thing that Cuba or North Korea has done for the good of mankind ever? Please shut up. And if you dont think you have it better than N korea or Cuba you are a freaking idiot who should pack your bags and get moving to where they apprecciate fucked ideas like yours.

I'd like to remind ya'll that most of the poor in this country would not be poor in third world countries.

Sure, there are poor people in the US, like everywhere. But name somewhere that a poor person has a better chance to come out of their poverty? you can't do it.

And I have just as much right to be sick of people blinding themselves to the similarities.

Oh, you want me to name places where they have as good or better a shot of coming out poverty, how about half a dozen of the other developed countries?

Oh really now, they have a better chance in these countries? Damn, you are just another America hating leftist. Why do you hate America?

Um, actually I said that there were countries which were as or more likely to help the poor become less poor. I didn't say I hated America. I'm rather fond of it, actually. How is it that acknowledging that a couple other countries are good at something translates to hate for America?

I never said we were bad. I said there were countries that might be better at one or two things. Please don't assume.

stop preaching down from your ivory tower munch, we know damn good and well what you mean when you speak, we are not stupid. You push it so far until you get called out then you do a 180. Same as all the other left wingers in this forum. Fucking leftists, allways talking shit about america and comparing it to Iraq and N korea, and bashing it, then when someone says something about they are the assholes for sugesting the leftist doesnt like america. WTF are we supposed to think? Get a clue man, stop thinking you are so superior in your college campus.

Even homeless people here are better off than the average third worlder. Most homeless peopel have shoes and clothes.

haha that was sweet Trav.

A legend in his own mind, eh? 'Splain the facts to him, Trav

Listen up. Unless I see credentials that you've got a degree in Psychology, You do not know what I mean. All you know is how you interpret things. And if you insist on interpreting things in your own narrow way, than I'm sorry for you.

At no point have I done a 180, and at no point have I preached anything. I clarify my statements when you misinterpret them. You read my statements as you choose to.

You know what, maybe you should get real and understand that drawing comparisons doesn't mean anyone hates America. That's bull. Plain and simple.

So what are you supposed to think? Think things don't always exist in the terms you want them to. Grow up and take a logic course.

Travh, at what point did Munch say he went to college? Do you have something against college students? Just curious.

I've got problems with snot-nosed, wet-behind-the-ears, know it all college brats.
I did all my college in "night" school, while my 'day' job was the US Army....all twenty years of it.

Ah. Okay. So you do have problems with college students. That's fine. I'm not a college student, so whatever.

Good for you, being in the Army. They have good health coverage. They're willing to blow you up and risk your life for political gain and send you to prison if you question them, but they do have good health coverage.

Being in the Army, in my book, doesn't mean you have any more of a right to your opinion than I do.

For the record, I don't have a problem with soldiers. I think they get a lousy deal. I don't understand why you're not pissed that so many soldiers such as yourself died or were injured in pursuit of an American empire and cheap oil. Their lives were worth more than that.

College brats have as much right to their opinions as military jocks.

When did I say I went to college? If you're going to attack my background instead of my argument, take the time to learn my background.