I for one will no longer visit Mexico and spend my money there. I will also stop purchasing Mexican made products here in the States.

If the Mexican government continues to aid and assist in the illegal border crossings and if illegal Mexican immigrants threaten to shut down the American economy I will treat Mexico as a hostile nation.

I have spent my last peso on anything Mexican.

good call...

While we're at it i might as well go over to my neighbors house... climb in through the window committing some good ol Breaking and Entering... and then complain that i dont have any say as to what we eat for dinner and why i have to leave....

good analogy eh?

I also, have made my last trip to Mexico.
I will not use any Mexican products that I can identify.

This is in as much a protest against the Mexican government that, thru its greed and bad practices, force its people to go begging jobs in foreign countries.

Some might say that if enough people take this attitude that it will harm the Mexican people even more, to these people I say:
If the Mexican people become uncomfortable enough they might rise up and actually do something about conditions within their country.
This I support. This is the only true answer.

I'm sure Mexico is trembling at your powerful embargo against them.

I will not use any Mexican products that I can identify.

What about Tex-Mex food? Ahh screw it, I can't keep myself from a taco anyway.

the Mexico gouvernment will do notheing stop illégale immigrasjon because Bush he dont want this. Bush an d Vicente Fo x are friends. Bush want people t o U.S. work for low salaire.

I'm sure Mexico is trembling at your powerful embargo against them.
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Right Wind, because not enough Americans will stand against anything.
Too Lazy!!!

What sort of goods would be exported from Mex to US,apart from people..

What sort of goods would be exported from Mex to US,apart from people..

Dan was right when he said he wouldn't use any Mexican product he could identify. Many "American Made" products are maunufactured in whole, or in part, in Mexico.

And I'll bet 25% of your shirts were made there as well...

I was done with the mesikans years ago. Try living in south Texas for a while, and you'll soon learn why the words "fucking", "mesikan" and "dumb" keep cropping up in otherwise normal conversation in various orders and combinations.

Thats talken to Texans,for you.

good call...

While we're at it i might as well go over to my neighbors house... climb in through the window committing some good ol Breaking and Entering... and then complain that i dont have any say as to what we eat for dinner and why i have to leave....

good analogy eh?

Make all the analogies you want, anyone can make up an analogy to suit their position. Let's deal with the real world and actual conditions.

Many people from Mexico come to the United States and they do enter American homes ... to cook your meals, take care of your lawns, clean your houses for very low wages and you treat them like criminals or subhumans.

They want to be treated like human beings.
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This subject of boycotting Mexico takes the cake for nonsensical posts. The USA dominates Mexico in every way ... and some yanks want to punish it when its people flee it in desperation. Good one.

I've got a question for all the people who say socialist Cuba is bad because people leave ... why then are so many more people fleeing capitalist Mexico, who have less chance of being accepted than Cubas and taking many more risks to do so? :drive:

I was done with the mesikans years ago. Try living in south Texas for a while, and you'll soon learn why the words "fucking", "mesikan" and "dumb" keep cropping up in otherwise normal conversation in various orders and combinations.

And you demonstrate why "fascist", "ignorant" and "W.A.S.P." so often go together.

Go eat yer white bread, Trevor. :thumbs:

I'm still working on collecting that money to purchase a one way ticket to Cuba for you, Deepest Red. For some reason I am having difficulty getting people to contribute. The words, communist, beligerant, and obnoxious, keep cropping up. I'll keep trying though, knowing how much you hate living in the United States.

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Many people from Mexico come to the United States and they do enter American homes ... to cook your meals, take care of your lawns, clean your houses for very low wages and you treat them like criminals or subhumans.


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With all due respect, but my own family does this work ourselves.
If we should ever hire it done, we would pay decent wages to those workers who are legal citizens of this country--either by birth or by proper and legal measures.

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I've got a question for all the people... why then are so many more people fleeing capitalist Mexico, who have less chance of being accepted than Cubas and taking many more risks to do so?Quote.
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Because, for some reason, it is easier to leave than to make the changes in the government necessary to give themselves and their children a brighter future, in Mexico.

This subject of boycotting Mexico takes the cake for nonsensical posts. The USA dominates Mexico in every way ... and some yanks want to punish it when its people flee it in desperation. Good one.
:rolleyes:

Jesus, you're a stroker.

Thats talken to Texans,for you.

Have you ever spoken to a Texan, Mr. Ireland?

I for one will no longer visit Mexico and spend my money there. I will also stop purchasing Mexican made products here in the States.

If the Mexican government continues to aid and assist in the illegal border crossings and if illegal Mexican immigrants threaten to shut down the American economy I will treat Mexico as a hostile nation.

I have spent my last peso on anything Mexican.

I respect that.

I respect that.
How can you not?

Yea I have,and unfortunatly see one on the news most nites,Mr Stormtrooper.

Hardly the same thing. Not at all representative of the folks I knew, and I called Texas home for over 25 years. I wasn't born there, but I got there as fast as I could!

Right Wind, because not enough Americans will stand against anything.
Too Lazy!!!
hahaha, well it sure takes us awhile to organize a stand against anything, and we're too lazy :P

Most of you descend of invaders not so long ago, 200, 300 years or so, well your time has come to be invaded, ROMANS invaded for many centuries, and what happened to them? ... They were invaded and a new order took their place. So it will happen to you, sooner or later. Your dictator, is doing the best he can to create more US haters everywhere, if you just get rid of people like him, you will avoid changing the name of your country from "United States" to "United Corporations" ... And people everywhere might start considering their feelings towards all of you.

Most of you descend from invaders not so long ago, 200, 300 years or so, well your time has come to be invaded. ROMANS invaded for many centuries, and what happened to them? ... They were invaded and a new order took their place. So it will happen to you, sooner or later. Your dictator, is doing the best he can to create more US haters everywhere, and invaders too, if you just get rid of people like him, you will avoid changing the name of your country from "United States" to "United Corporations" ... And people everywhere might start considering their feelings towards all of you.

People from all over the world come to the US every year by the thousands, corrupted governments in their countries force them to leave, and most of these corrupted governments are backed/supported or put in power by the US Administrations, so the Big Multinational business can make huge profits in foreign lands, I believe we wouldn't be so rich if it weren't for all the wealth taken away from foreign lands, with all these unfair and illegal practices, that include assassination of those who oppose the entrance of the US Corporations into their countries. Before it was the British who through their wars and stealings (by the official pirates of the British Kings and Queens), became wealthy.

How can you not?


Let me see... what one decides to place value upon is subjective. Although I do not totally understand that intense hatred of a struggling people, I DO respect one with enough discipline to use their own economic resources to protest. It is not easy to pass up something economical for a deeper purpose.

I have not spent a dime in Walmart or any of its subsidiaries for 12 years for this exact reason. I do not have to agree or respect someone's point of view in order to respect their delivery.

Divalatina,

I can't speak for others but I have no hatred, intense or otherwise for Mexican or Irish, or Chinese, of French, well, maybe the French. I have an intense dislike for people who come to this country illegaly and then demand that our government do certain things and take certain actions to benefit them. I feel that same intense dislike for the illegal Chinese aliens who demonstrated in NYC as I do for the illegal Mexican aliens who demonstrated in LA.

Cant agree ;Socialist',the US makes enough tax revenue from its workers and business practices to afford almost anything,the only problem I see at the minute is that The White House is trying to buy its way ouy of trouble,by borrowing such large amounts of money,that the ordinary decent citizen in the street whos expected to foot the bill,will never be able to afford the repayments.....

Divalatina,

I can't speak for others but I have no hatred, intense or otherwise for Mexican or Irish, or Chinese, of French, well, maybe the French. in LA.

I share the hatred (maybe not hatred exaclty, but close to it) for the French and I am certain for the same reasons.

Whats the french done to you guys...

Whats the french done to you guys...


Other than being spineless dolts with no sense of appreciation? nada

They say they make fine wine,and fine lovers,I dont know personally,I do know Paris is dear as hell..

They say they make fine wine,and fine lovers,I dont know personally,I do know Paris is dear as hell..

They hate Americans, even liberal as hell, whacked out hippies.

Hmmm,by the look of things apart from me everybody else does.What you think of Quebac-ians,I dont know what you call them....

I have some Quebecois friends who are very nice. They happen to be Italian/Canadian, not French/Canadian. The last time I was in Quebec will be the last time I am in Quebec. I found the French speaking Quebecois to be unbelievably rude.

As for the French, I have not been to France since the early sixties and plan to never return. The people were so rude they made those in Quebec seem polite. I was actually spat upon by a taxi driver when he found out I was American.

I have some Quebecois friends who are very nice. They happen to be Italian/Canadian, not French/Canadian. The last time I was in Quebec will be the last time I am in Quebec. I found the French speaking Quebecois to be unbelievably rude.

As for the French, I have not been to France since the early sixties and plan to never return. The people were so rude they made those in Quebec seem polite. I was actually spat upon by a taxi driver when he found out I was American.


They don't discriminate- They hate ALL Americans.

I find Canadians diffult to make out when their talking,so I tend to ignore them,even tho they could be classed as ;neighbours'.

Diva,your very,red,white and blue...

Diva,your very,red,white and blue...

What does that mean?

Dont mean anything by it,but you seem to be all American this,American that,you guys arnt under siege,,,,yet.

Dont mean anything by it,but you seem to be all American this,American that,you guys arnt under siege,,,,yet.


I am proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free. I won't forget the men who died to give that right to me, and I gladly stand up next to you...that is unless you are a minuteman or French.

Let me see... what one decides to place value upon is subjective. Although I do not totally understand that intense hatred of a struggling people, I DO respect one with enough discipline to use their own economic resources to protest. It is not easy to pass up something economical for a deeper purpose.
That's not the point, nor was it the reason for my rhetorical question. Of course value judgments are subjective, but this argument isn't over values; this argument is over what's right and wrong (or illegal and legal), period. Oh, and where are you getting this "intense hatred" bullshit??? Nary a comment was made that intimated anything of the sort. When the Mexican government stops exacerbating this situation (read; stops printing pamphlets telling their undesirables how to trick our boarder patrol – clearly, a win/win for Vicente Fox), then we’ll talk. Until that day arrives, Frogger is absolutely correct - they should be considered a hostile nation and the people entering illegally should be treated in a manner commensurate to their crime. If I didn’t have my papers in Mexico, they’d probably throw my ass in some steel cage and chuck the key. Good luck with the extradition hearing, ‘cuse ”they don’t need no steenkin’ court room, man”.

America has to be the laughing stock of the world...

If you think I'm all washed up, then tell me - what other country (IN THE ENTIRE WORLD) would allow this kind of grossly twisted shit to happen right in front of 'em? What would you suggest the people do about it; smile? Grin and bear it? What?

Related:Last year the Irish Constitution was changed,in that any kids born in Ireland to illegal immigrants were not entitled to Irish Citizenship.

I am proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free. I won't forget the men who died to give that right to me, and I gladly stand up next to you...that is unless you are a minuteman or French.
Ya had me until you made the "minuteman" comment....

Do you really think letting people cross our border illegally is okay? Do you really think letting them ride roughshod over the American people so our politicians can get re-elected is okay? Do you really think these 20 million (scratch that - probably 30 or 40 million) people offer our country a decent future? Are these people going to be business executives? Engineers? Doctors? Are these the kind of people you want here? I simply don't understand your perspective at all.

Related:Last year the Irish Constitution was changed,in that any kids born in Ireland to illegal immigrants were not entitled to Irish Citizenship.
And we should do the same. The situation here is just nuts.

Do you really think letting people cross our border illegally is okay?

In a lot of cases...sure.


Do you really think letting them ride roughshod over the American people so our politicians can get re-elected is okay?

Errr, gee no Prae...then again, I don't think that's what's happening.


Do you really think these 20 million (scratch that - probably 30 or 40 million) people offer our country a decent future?

I think that these people figure largely in our future whether we like it or not. I think that when there was any large influx of people over a short period of time, whether they were German, or Polish, or Chinese, or Irish, there were always people clamoring about how this was going to ruin America as we know it.

These "people" as you refer to them, are here. They aren't going away, and there is no way to deport 10 million of them. Get used to it. Learn to love chimichangas. :)


Are these people going to be business executives?

Sure, some of them.


Engineers?

Yep.


Doctors?

No doubt.


Are these the kind of people you want here?

After having worked with many over a couple of years, I can say yes, absolutely.


I simply don't understand your perspective at all.

Perhaps you need to change your perspective. :)

In a lot of cases...sure.
How can you even say that? Does the word ILLEGAL mean anything anymore?
Errr, gee no Prae...then again, I don't think that's what's happening.
That's EXACTLY what's happening, like it or not. Why else do you think they're being allowed to stay? Sure, corporate interest plays a role, but that's marginal at best. No, what's happening here is our country is being sold by the ponces in Washington with ZERO regard for our future. Why? To secure an elected position of power. Once they've lined their coffers, they're history, and so is America. Frogger said it best: what the Mexicans lost with guns they're winning with vaginas. Once these people establish their citizenship here (which means DICK to them, mind you), they WILL NOT assimilate (beyond what is minimally required), and as time passes, the benefit they offer us might not (err, scratch that - WON'T) outweigh the collective position their presence put our economy in. In short, these people are completely undesirable, period. You're living in a freaking liberal dream if you think more than .005% of the 20 million will ever become engineers or doctors. No, all this means is when our economy crumbles, we're gonna be obligated to feed 20 million more mouths. Needless to say, at the rate these people pop out kids, we'll all be speaking Spanish in 25 years.
I think that these people figure largely in our future whether we like it or not. I think that when there was any large influx of people over a short period of time, whether they were German, or Polish, or Chinese, or Irish, there were always people clamoring about how this was going to ruin America as we know it.
This is true, but common perception is only one portion of the equation here. What I'm trying to say is that the situation was ENTIRELY different back then. Those people (the Germans, the Irish, and the English) weren't offered handouts. Most came to this country wanting to call themselves American (of course, the Chinese and Africans were the exceptions to this, but I digress). They came here (and pay attention to this part) to BUILD a better nation, not to exploit one that was already here. You, and many people like you, seem to think we're here to be exploited, not embraced. Is America really that cheap to you? Tell me; has our "freedom" really been reduced to us, as a nation, grabbing our ankles?
These "people" as you refer to them, are here.
Sure, and so is crime (as I'd like to refer to it). Are you suggesting that we do nothing about it?
They aren't going away, and there is no way to deport 10 million of them. Get used to it.
Bullshit. The state of California alone spent 3 billion dollars last year on services for people who had no fucking right to be here. 3 words: divert the funds. It's not impossible. Either that, or carpet bomb Mexico. If Vicente Fox insists on printing literature that specifically tells people how to INVADE our nation, then I'd have no qualms, whatsoever, with us waging war. (Unfortunately, we both know that's about as practical as it would be popular...)
Perhaps you need to change your perspective. :)
With all due respect, Vile, I'm quite certain my perspective is grounded in reality.

How can you even say that? Does the word ILLEGAL mean anything anymore?

Sure Prae. You're not going to lecture me on following the law are you? You've made a few statements here on the boards that lead me to believe you ignore the law when it suits you.


That's EXACTLY what's happening, like it or not. Why else do you think they're being allowed to stay? Sure, corporate interest plays a role, but that's marginal at best. No, what's happening here is our country is being sold by the ponces in Washington with ZERO regard for our future. Why? To secure an elected position of power. Once they've lined their coffers, they're history, and so is America. Frogger said it best: what the Mexicans lost with guns they're winning with vaginas. Once these people establish their citizenship here (which means DICK to them, mind you), they WILL NOT assimilate (beyond what is minimally required), and as time passes, the benefit they offer us might not (err, scratch that - WON'T) outweigh the collective position their presence put our economy in. In short, these people are completely undesirable, period. You're living in a freaking liberal dream if you think more than .005% of the 20 million will ever become engineers or doctors. No, all this means is when our economy crumbles, we're gonna be obligated to feed 20 million more mouths. Needless to say, at the rate these people pop out kids, we'll all be speaking Spanish in 25 years.

This is true, but common perception is only one portion of the equation here. What I'm trying to say is that the situation was ENTIRELY different back then. Those people (the Germans, the Irish, and the English) weren't offered handouts. Most came to this country wanting to call themselves American (of course, the Chinese and Africans were the exceptions to this, but I digress). They came here (and pay attention to this part) to BUILD a better nation, not to exploit one that was already here. You, and many people like you, seem to think we're here to be exploited, not embraced. Is America really that cheap to you? Tell me; has our "freedom" really been reduced to us, as a nation, grabbing our ankles?

To be honest with you Prae, this post reeks of racism.


Sure, and so is crime. Are you suggesting that we do nothing about it?

Not at all. I think we should accept the inevitable and try to make sure that it proves to be an economic benefit rather than a burden.


Bullshit. The state of California alone spent 3 billion dollars last year on services for people who had no fucking right to be here. 3 words: divert the funds. It's not impossible. Either that, or carpet bomb Mexico. If Vicente Fox insists on printing literature that specifically tells people how to INVADE our nation, then I'd have no qualms, whatsoever, with us waging war. (Unfortunately, we both know that's about as practical as it would be popular...)

Utter nonsense.


With all due respect, Vile, I'm quite certain my perspective is grounded in reality.

With all due respect Prae, you make your feelings about illegal immigrants very clear. They are all "undersireables". They all want a handout. They all don't want to become American citizens. They are nothing but a burden. In short, you happily wrap them into a nice little bundle you can conveniently despise. Congratulations on being grounded in reality.

Sure Prae. You're not going to lecture me on following the law are you? You've made a few statements here on the boards that lead me to believe you ignore the law when it suits you.
Touché.

However, I'm an American citizen, and when I break the law, I go to jail. Too bad I'm not a Mexican. Just think about it - I could come here, break the law, and be rewarded with a driver's license and citizenship. Hell, I wouldn't even have to learn the language. Viva La Estados Unidos.

The kicker is - I could be pissed off about not being recognized when I marched down the streets in America as an illegal while waving a Mexican flag demanding citizenship. Yep...real fair.
To be honest with you Prae, this post reeks of racism.
:rolleyes: Wake up, dude.
Not at all. I think we should accept the inevitable and try to make sure that it proves to be an economic benefit rather than a burden.
Wow, that sounds like a really great plan....

Hell, I'm guessing if we're able to accomplish that (as a nation), then we'll also be able to weave bullshit into Egyptian cotton.
With all due respect Prae, you make your feelings about illegal immigrants very clear. They are all "undersireables". They all want a handout. They all don't want to become American citizens. They are nothing but a burden. In short, you happily wrap them into a nice little bundle you can conveniently despise. Congratulations on being grounded in reality.
Who do you think these people are, Vile - the crème de la crème of Mexico? Sorry to break it to ya, but these people ARE the undesirables. The worst of the worst, and if we're lucky, we won't live to see America turned into a giant Mexico City. I know you won't, but I probably will. Hell, I don't blame the Mexicans - it's our politicians I hate. And why, exactly, shouldn't I be angered at the apathetic stance of our government when it comes to illegal aliens??? You name me ONE other nation that lets this type shit fly.

Touché.

::nods::


However, I'm an American citizen, and when I break the law, I go to jail.

If you get caught.


Too bad I'm not a Mexican. Just think about it - I could come here, break the law, and be rewarded with a driver's license and citizenship.

You, and others, keep mentioning that they broke the law, they're illegal etc. I think this is just a cheap attempt to paint all these people as criminals, which they are only because they came here.


Hell, I wouldn't even have to learn the language.

Why are you so interested that all the immigrants understand English? Is it so they will understand you when you berate them? :D


Viva La Estados Unidos.

Vive Etat Unis


Wow, that sounds like a really great plan....


Who do you think these people are, Vile - the crème de la crème of Mexico? Sorry to break it to ya, but these people ARE the undesirables. The worst of the worst, and if we're lucky, we won't live to see America turned into a giant Mexico City.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. I worked with "these people" Prae. You're just wrong.


And why, exactly, shouldn't I be angered at the apathetic stance of our government when it comes to illegal aliens???

If you need to be angry, be angry.

The last time I went to Mexico I got E-Coli ! I will never go there again !

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. I worked with "these people" Prae. You're just wrong.
It's not about them being inherently "bad" people, Vile. It's about our government fucking us over. You seem to be uber-liberifing the situation here. To not see this as a gross form cheap opportunism (on both ends of the spectrum) is akin to the worst form of political and financial myopia known to man. A financially beneficial situation is the aggregate of many states operating within the guidelines of the law under one common head for the benefit of the citizens living here. That's NOT what's happening, and consequently, we're compounding the situation by not addressing the real problem.
If you need to be angry, be angry.
I don't really have a choice in the matter. This is my country, and I'm watching it be pissed away by a bunch of political whores in Washington.

Ya had me until you made the "minuteman" comment....

Do you really think letting people cross our border illegally is okay? Do you really think letting them ride roughshod over the American people so our politicians can get re-elected is okay? Do you really think these 20 million (scratch that - probably 30 or 40 million) people offer our country a decent future? Are these people going to be business executives? Engineers? Doctors? Are these the kind of people you want here? I simply don't understand your perspective at all.

I do not think the minutemen are any more effective at stopping illegal immigration than the government. IMO, they are just a bunch of vigilante rednecks who put themselves and others in danger.

The last time I went to Mexico I got E-Coli ! I will never go there again !


And I guess there have been no cases of Ecoli here in the states, right?

And I guess there have been no cases of Ecoli here in the states, right?


Not in my case ! I have been here in the states for 32 yrs and never once have been sick from E Coli but 1 week in Mexico and BAM there it is !
Thats not good odds there ! :rolleyes:

Not in my case ! I have been here in the states for 32 yrs and never once have been sick from E Coli but 1 week in Mexico and BAM there it is !
Thats not good odds there ! :rolleyes:


Ok, let me go slow... What I mean is that Ecoli exists in some form in every country. Just because you have never personally gotten the disease here, does not mean the chances of getting it in Mexico are any greater.

Ok, let me go slow... What I mean is that Ecoli exists in some form in every country. Just because you have never personally gotten the disease here, does not mean the chances of getting it in Mexico are any greater.


Let me repeat myself.. The odds are not good..

How come when you tell people you are going to Mexico one of the 1st things thats said is, don't drink the water or watch out for the "Montezuma's Revenge" ? Why because E-COLI exsit there and its worse there then here in the States !

40% of travelers get sick there because of E-Coli.. Are those odds good ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montezuma's_Revenge_(medicine)

Don't get me wrong, I definatly know that this country has E-Coli but like I said before.. 32 yrs and no E-Coli here but Mexico - 1 week.. Hmmmm
Anyway, US doesn't have a rep about catching the E-Coli infection in 40 percent of visitors ..

Although, I have to compliment on beautiful beaches there..

Let me repeat myself.. The odds are not good..

How come when you tell people you are going to Mexico one of the 1st things thats said is, don't drink the water or watch out for the "Montezuma's Revenge" ? Why because E-COLI exsit there and its worse there then here in the States !

40% of travelers get sick there because of E-Coli.. Are those odds good ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montezuma's_Revenge_(medicine)

Don't get me wrong, I definatly know that this country has E-Coli but like I said before.. 32 yrs and no E-Coli here but Mexico - 1 week.. Hmmmm
Anyway, US doesn't have a rep about catching the E-Coli infection in 40 percent of visitors ..

Although, I have to compliment on beautiful beaches there..


Your research does not allude to the fact that the natives are not sickened at nearly the same rate as those who are on visitation. If the reason that you do not want to visit Mexico is because you did not refrain from drinking the water, then that is your own damn fault. You have no resistance to their water. Everybody and their momma knows that you should avoid the water.

Your research does not allude to the fact that the natives are not sickened at nearly the same rate as those who are on visitation. If the reason that you do not want to visit Mexico is because you did not refrain from drinking the water, then that is your own damn fault. You have no resistance to their water. Everybody and their momma knows that you should avoid the water.


Ummm excuse me.. I never said I drank the water..
I didn't drink it.. I KNEW not too but still in the same I got the damn infection.. Their are other ways !
http://www.travelyucatan.com/montezumas_revenge.php


My research does state fact about the rep that Mexico has and percentage of visitors sickened by the E-Coli... The link above also states the Mexicans also get sick by this infection often !
And I was one of the unlucky visitors.. I was told by my DOCTOR that it was probably bad food handling or water in the salsa or water not being PROPERLY sanitized for usage in certain foods.. Again, before you state something I did why don't you ask me 1st.. :rolleyes:

I do not think the minutemen are any more effective at stopping illegal immigration than the government. IMO, they are just a bunch of vigilante rednecks who put themselves and others in danger.
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I, for one, appreciate the efforts of the Minutemen, and the fact that they helped to bring attention to our unprotected borders.
They are not the first Americans to place themselves in danger to help protect America.
Bigot opinions of whether or not they are "rednecks" matters not. They are Americans concerned about America.

I would like to see more Mexicans concerned about Mexico.

Ummm excuse me.. I never said I drank the water..
I didn't drink it.. I KNEW not too but still in the same I got the damn infection.. Their are other ways !
http://www.travelyucatan.com/montezumas_revenge.php


My research does state fact about the rep that Mexico has and percentage of visitors sickened by the E-Coli... The link above also states the Mexicans also get sick by this infection often !
And I was one of the unlucky visitors.. I was told by my DOCTOR that it was probably bad food handling or water in the salsa or water not being PROPERLY sanitized for usage in certain foods.. Again, before you state something I did why don't you ask me 1st.. :rolleyes:



If you ate something that was prepared in water, then you drank the water. Excuse me for giving you the benefit of the doubt.

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I would like to see more Mexicans concerned about Mexico.


Now that I can agree too.

If you ate something that was prepared in water, then you drank the water. Excuse me for giving you the benefit of the doubt.


Umm you tell me something?
If I go to a 5 star resort that claims to be safe as far as eating and staying at, what am I suppost to do? Not eat ??
Now remember I paid good AMERICAN money to stay there ..
Good Lord, your response is weak..

Umm you tell me something?
If I go to a 5 star resort that claims to be safe as far as eating and staying at, what am I suppost to do? Not eat ??
Now remember I paid good AMERICAN money to stay there ..
Good Lord, your response is weak..


All, I am saying is that if you cannot drink the water, then wny would you eat food prepared in the water. For your information, the 5 star resorts use the same water sources as the dives. What the hell does American money have to do with you getting E-coli from a Mexican resort?

All, I am saying is that if you cannot drink the water, then wny would you eat food prepared in the water. For your information, the 5 star resorts use the same water sources as the dives. What the hell does American money have to do with you getting E-coli from a Mexican resort?


Again, a weak response..
You are trying to avoid the subject at hand..

Again, a weak response..
You are trying to avoid the subject at hand..

The subject is that you got sick in a country, and now want to boycott that country. There are many people who visit Mexico on a very regular basis, and even those who live there who manage to avoid getting sick. I myself visit my family there almost every month.

If you want to hold my feet to the fire, bring a torch, not a match.

I could really not care less, if you visit or don't visit.

The subject is that you got sick in a country, and now want to boycott that country. There are many people who visit Mexico on a very regular basis, and even those who live there who manage to avoid getting sick. I myself visit my family there almost every month.

If you want to hold my feet to the fire, bring a torch, not a match.

I could really not care less, if you visit or don't visit.


Well, all I can say is good luck to you ..

Ok, let me go slow... What I mean is that Ecoli exists in some form in every country. Just because you have never personally gotten the disease here, does not mean the chances of getting it in Mexico are any greater.
Agreed.

But do you honestly think the chance of getting sick from E-Coli bacteria in the states is on par with the chance of getting sick from it in Mexico? If so, then I disagree...

I do not think the minutemen are any more effective at stopping illegal immigration than the government. IMO, they are just a bunch of vigilante rednecks who put themselves and others in danger.
And what, exactly, about the minutemen makes them "rednecks"? All character assassinations aside, you forget - these people (the Mexicans) are the ones breaking the law - not the minutemen. Whatever their motivation is, it's simply ancillary to the goal they're trying to accomplish. I for one, share Dan's sentiments. I appreciate what these men are doing to protect our country.

But do you honestly think the chance of getting sick from E-Coli bacteria in the states is on par with the chance of getting sick from it in Mexico? If so, then I disagree...


Exactly ! :thumbs:

, you forget - these people (the Mexicans) are the ones breaking the law - not the minutemen.


Actually, the minutemen are now breaking the law as well.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/04/30/state/n072238D91.DTL

Actually, the minutemen are now breaking the law as well.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/04/30/state/n072238D91.DTL
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And just what law was broken here? None.
I watched them on t.v., building an addition to an existing fence.
The area was totally unfenced. The portion of the existing fence was completely unaltered.
The border is now somewhat more secure.
Thanks Minutemen!

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And just what law was broken here? None.
I watched them on t.v., building an addition to an existing fence.
The area was totally unfenced. The portion of the existing fence was completely unaltered.
The border is now somewhat more secure.
Thanks Minutemen!

They had no authorization to do this nor did have the right permit. I just worry that with the 6ft barbed wire fence, one of THEM actually could be hurt. I do not hate the minutemen and I do sympathize with their frustration. Our government is really letting us down. I just do not think they have the best approach.

Actually, the minutemen are now breaking the law as well.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/04/30/state/n072238D91.DTL
That's the extent of them "breaking the law"!?!?!? Fortifying a fence that was already there? C'mon, D. This is ridiculous, and you know it.

From the article:

"Tim Donnelly, the group's leader, said volunteers ate apple pie and hot dogs as they worked on the fence, which was connected to an existing 12-foot high fence previously built by the federal government.......

Department of Homeland Security spokesman Richard Kite said Saturday there had been "no indications our operations or the property of the Border Patrol have been tampered with or altered in any way by citizen groups.""

And which part of this activity was "illegal" again??? Why are you in such opposition to the minutemen when you KNOW there's nothing wrong (morally or otherwise) with what they're doing in San Diego? You're too smart for that. You're simply lying to yourself if you think the actions of our nonchalant government is good for America in the long run when it comes to their stance on illegal immigration. Just admit it. People for this shit are flat-out WRONG; their argument is logically and financially flawed to the Nth degree, and to see it any other way is simply appealing to your emotions. We're not here for Mexico's sake; we're here for ours. If you wanna come here, fine - then do it legally.

Our government is really letting us down.
Truer words have never been spoken. Fucking George Bush and his band of neo-liberals really piss the shit outta me.

They had no authorization to do this nor did have the right permit.
With all due respect Diva, but you're talking about not having the proper papers to build a fence guarding against an influx of people who have NO papers and no rights here, period. Is it just me, or do you see the ridiculousness of that argument, too?

I seen this in Ireland,we got tv here,anyway,I thought it interesting the black guy talking about he cant get a job cause hes undercut by illegals,fine the employer,its the only way.Thats were the real tension seems to lie Black-Latino..

With all due respect Diva, but you're talking about not having the proper papers to build a fence guarding against an influx of people who have NO papers and no rights here, period. Is it just me, or do you see the ridiculousness of that argument, too?

Breaking the law is breaking the law. The only good thing about the minutemen, In my opinion, is that hopefully they will shame our government enough to get their head out of their rear ends.

There are millions of illegal aliens, mainly Mexicans in the United States. The opinion of some seems to be that since there are so many and we can't deport them all we must offer them all amnesty. What if we applied the same criteria to rapists, or murders, or robbers? There are so many of them that we can't possible catch them all so we had better not try to catch any of them and just declare amnesty. Why not catch 5,000,000 of them or 1,000,000 of them or even 100,000 of them. You don't just throw up your hands and give up.

Your in good form tonite Frogger,whay do you think would be more cost effective building a barrier that works,or deportation.

I think the most effective thing would be to heavily fine their employers and to give a few of the most blatant employers if illegal aliens serious jail time.

It is a fallacy that illegal aliens take the jobs that American citizens don't want. The truth is, they take jobs that American used to do and do them for much less money, off the books thereby making it impossible for Americans to work them.

I for one would be willing to pay more for those goods and services produced by poorly paid illegal aliens if the jobs went to legal immigrants or American citizens.

I think the most effective thing would be to heavily fine their employers and to give a few of the most blatant employers if illegal aliens serious jail time.

It is a fallacy that illegal aliens take the jobs that American citizens don't want. The truth is, they take jobs that American used to do and do them for much less money, off the books thereby making it impossible for Americans to work them.

I for one would be willing to pay more for those goods and services produced by poorly paid illegal aliens if the jobs went to legal immigrants or American citizens.

Frogger now I agree with you 110%. It is the employers that I beleive should pay the heaviest fines. If they were unwilling to hire illegals and pay them dirt (albeit more dirt than they receive in Mexico), then no one would want to come here searching for opportunities. Let me put it this way, if you are one side of a border starving to death and here comes Jolly Gringo to the Rescue with promises of hope if only one crosses the border, what in the world is one to do?


I am 100000% against illegal immigration. My family struggled to come here legally, both parents worked two jobs so that my siblings and I could get a decent education, but I am just not ignorant enough to believe that all the problems can be solved by placing ALL of the blame and ALL of the responsibility on the immigrants themselves.

New Employment laws in Ireland,anybody working anywhere without a 'PIN' card,from the tax office is working illegaly,companys are fined up to 10,000euros per day if caught..

New Employment laws in Ireland,anybody working anywhere without a 'PIN' card,from the tax office is working illegaly,companys are fined up to 10,000euros per day if caught..

Illegals can get PIN cards here, and can essentially pay into taxes, too.

If they can get PIN cards in the US,and the authoritys want to pick them up,why dont they..

Both political parties are afraid to lose the Hispanic vote. While there are other nationalities among the illegal aliens in the U.S. the Hispanics are by far the largest group.

If they can get PIN cards in the US,and the authoritys want to pick them up,why dont they..
Money, time, effort, and space restrictions.

If thats the case Frogger,surely its a dead issue that Americans are gonna have to live with.Christ,what a country,can put men in space,and cant agree how to tidy up the backyard.

I am 100000% against illegal immigration. My family struggled to come here legally, both parents worked two jobs so that my siblings and I could get a decent education, but I am just not ignorant enough to believe that all the problems can be solved by placing ALL of the blame and ALL of the responsibility on the immigrants themselves.
Agreed wholeheartedly.

Now there's the Divalatina we all know and love. ;)

Both political parties are afraid to lose the Hispanic vote.
BINGO!

Frogger gets it...

If thats the case Frogger,surely its a dead issue that Americans are gonna have to live with.Christ,what a country,can put men in space,and cant agree how to tidy up the backyard.
Sad, isn't it?

It's a good old-fashioned case of American leadership putting it's blinders on to avoid A) pissing anybody off, and B) getting screwed politically.

I heard a stat somewhere that stated 45% of ALL the children being born in the US are Hispanic. Draw your own conclusions.

Yous arent getting back into Europe..But if yous need a hand breeding some white people to balance things out,let me know..

Yous arent getting back into Europe..But if yous need a hand breeding some white people to balance things out,let me know..
That's simply not my point, but thanks for the offer.

That being said, America, in about twenty years, will be a drastically different place than the one we've grown to love and appreciate. Call it a complete change in the cultural and financial imperative that built this nation. America is witnessing its end take place right in front of us, and consequently, our citizens are powerless to do anything about it. Democracy, my ass. It's all over, Paul - it's just a matter of time. Our politicians have thoroughly fucked us blue.

Do you really think that, Prae?
For almost 400 years, the power brokers here have been WASPS.
I just don't see them giving up that power that easily.

They don't have a choice in the matter, Ren. The economy will crumble under the pressure of being weighed down by our impending second-world education and needs, and by then, hell - the battle's over; we lost. Our nation's collective power is held in numbers, and our apathetic masses are going to witness, first hand, the fundamental structure of that power change before their very eyes and they're too stupid to realize it. Gotta love the line: "Oh, bu...bu...bu...but America was built by hard-working immigrants", without realizing that the operative word in that sentence is BUILT, and the underlying fact that most of them were legal seems to be of no consequence nowadays. Maybe when they can't make payments on their house, they'll wake up. These people are BAD for our economy in the long run, period, and there's no two ways around that fact. They DON'T want to assimilate, and they could give two shits about making America a better place to live. Their allegiance belongs to Mexico and it always will. You've never heard me say this before, but Bush should be impeached for treachery. He failed us in regards to the single biggest threat this country has ever faced.

Maybe its a good time to checkout the Irish ancestors,Ive always found,having a 'Harp' on the front of mine,is an advantage the world over,apart from the WASPs,we had enough of them.Ive a sister lives in Australia,says the same thing,upto 25 years ago,citizens of UK and Ireland could live in Oz,no skills required,now the majority of immigrants are Asian,Australia is looseing its Euro Culture,same as United States..

Agreed Paul, and no doubt about it - losing one's culture sucks, but it's nowhere near as bad as pissing an enormous fortune away, and that's exactly what we're doing here. It's been a long time in the making, but we're gonna lose everything we've built, and why? Because we've been wholesaled by a bunch of political whores in Washington – that’s why. Just for clarification purposes, I'll say it again in case some of you are thinking "racist": our downfall isn't because of Mexico; it's our OWN fault, period. We have no one to blame but our leadership - democratic and republican alike. I never thought I'd be so ashamed of the Republican Party - the backstabbing, Constitution-trampling, cocksuckers that they are...

I'm officially a partyless man.