I guess protesting is the "thing to do" nowadays...

Now we have George Clooney and other celebs protesting against the Darfur genocide.. saying we are "failing" the people there.

While i wish we could just have a magic wand and eliminate all evil in the world... Why is everyone coming out of the woodwork NOW??? What about during the Clinton administration, all the genocide in Rawanda and starving people in Somalia. There really wasn't anyone calling for Clinton's head.. but Bush is darn right EVIL for not attending to EVERY WORLD CITIZEN.

The thing that gets me is these are the same people who say we should pull all of our troops out of Iraq, bring them home, and worry about our own borders.

Make up your mind Clooney.. and while you're at it, make a good movie, because you've only been in one or two.

http://breakingnews.iol.ie/entertainment/story.asp?j=181216786&p=y8yzy749z

Thank you, Decka.

On the one hand, the idea that the U.S. isn't the world's policeman, shouldn't be engaged in "unilateral" or "preemptive" wars and on the other hand we've got to do "something" about the situation in Rwanda. The only way for the genocide to be stopped is with the point of a gun backed up by the full power of the American military, which the Lefties are traditionally opposed to, dammit.

While i wish we could just have a magic wand and eliminate all evil in the world... Why is everyone coming out of the woodwork NOW??? I don't know, and I personally think that's irrelevant. What's far more important is that people are actually showing concern about Darfur. I would rather have them rallying about it in the streets than just complaining about it in their living rooms.

What about during the Clinton administration, all the genocide in Rawanda and starving people in Somalia. There really wasn't anyone calling for Clinton's head.. but Bush is darn right EVIL for not attending to EVERY WORLD CITIZEN.I've seen nothing to suggest that this was an anti-Bush rally of any form. In fact:

"Bush met with Darfur advocates at the White House on Friday and lent his support to the weekend rallies. "For those of you who are going out to march for justice, you represent the best of our country," Bush said."

"Pelosi said Democrats for once agree with Bush: "This genocide must stop.""
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/30/us.sudan.ap/index.html

The thing that gets me is these are the same people who say we should pull all of our troops out of Iraq, bring them home, and worry about our own borders.That's probably because they would support the use of military force in some situations, but not others. The situation in Iraq is completely different from the one in Sudan.

Isn't it great that we have so many celebrities telling us just what we should be concerned about? Who the F*** is George Clooney? He's a goddamn actor! It's a damn shame that things are going nuts in Sudan - BFD. We've a multitude of major issues on this contintent as well. The United States cannot be the Almighty TiT providing for all the needy countries. There's plenty of other deep pockets to mine ... ie. Japan ... Saudi Arabia ... etc.....

What the fuck are you talking about, es? if anyone would know how to handle the situation in Sudan, it would be fucking Batman! Get a clue, retard!

The sad part is that no one cared untiil George Clooney spoke up.

The Sudan, yet another conflict in which one of the participants happen to be members of the religion of peace. Can someone name me a conflict going on in which one of the sides is not islamic?

The Sudan, yet another conflict in which one of the participants happen to be members of the religion of peace. Can someone name me a conflict going on in which one of the sides is not islamic? The TravEcho conflict is on indefinite hiatus, does that count?

no because she was muslim

What about during the Clinton administration, all the genocide in Rawanda and starving people in Somalia. There really wasn't anyone calling for Clinton's head...

The imbecilic RightWing faction was too worried over who he was having sex with to concern themselves over Rwanda or people dying like flies in foreign countries.

I'll take Clooney's humanity and activism 1,000,000/1 over the childish inanity of worrying about some politician having consensual sex.

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The far Right political faction in America (IOW, Bush and his ultra-conservative cronies) has no known interest in people in foreign lands suffering or dying......what they do have is a great and abiding reverence for the wealthiest 1 percent that pays for their think tanks and to have them elected.

this are not for U.S. or any on e country. Kofi Annan must send more UN soldater to Somalia.

one of the greatest lies carried on by the left wing in this country is that the right wing was only concerned that clinton was geetng a blow job, when a blow job was the least of our concerns. but, as long as they can hide their heads in that lie I guess they feel safe.

this are not for U.S. or any on e country. Kofi Annan must send more UN soldater to Somalia.

are you serious? that place is a lost cause. It should have been called Operation Lost Cause :lolhit:

one of the greatest lies carried on by the left wing in this country is that the right wing was only concerned that clinton was geetng a blow job, when a blow job was the least of our concerns.

Oh!!?!!.......you mean the ReichWing's impeachment proceedings against him were NOT over anything to do with his having had sex with a certain person?!?!??!?!?

Gosh. I didn't realize that. Thanks for straightening that out.

I have GOT to re-read those articles of impeachment sometime.........

I guess protesting is the "thing to do" nowadays..."Nowadays"? As far back as the Magna Carta, onto MLK, and into today, protesting is practiced, and by no means a fad, nor new. Although today we see that it has less effect on the general public (Ex: 10 million people worldwide protest the invasion of Iraq on the eve of the incursion), there is nothing wrong with it Decka, and it isn't something for "those durned libruls."

And...Echo was/is a Daoist, and in the case of the Rwandan genocide, the Lewinsky scandal occurred after the fact. (although the point still stands about people's care or lack thereof for foreign tragedies)

Freethinker,

You are mistaken when you say the impeachment proceedings distracted Clinton from doinig something about the Rwanda genocide. The events did not occur at the same time.

Clinton was not the only head of state to ignore the problem in Rwanda. It was universally ignored by heads of state, the Organization of African States and the United Nations.

The same thing is happening in Darfur. Those in positions of power are even careful to not call it genocide because if it is genocide the United Nations, according to its charter, must step in. Everyone has been waltzing around the killing of Christians and Animists in Darfur by Moslems aided by the Sudanese government.

Before FT decides to attack your reading comprehension-The imbecilic RightWing faction was too worried over who he was having sex with to concern themselves over Rwanda or people dying like flies in foreign countries.

I'm not disagreeing with his premise that people were not concerned with the Rwandan genocide, only with his implied timeline. Neither those on the right nor those on the left were much concerned with Rwanda when the killing was happening.

Freethinker,

You are mistaken when you say the impeachment proceedings distracted Clinton from doinig something about the Rwanda genocide.

WTF????

"...distracted Clinton from doing something about it..."

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I neither said, nor implied nor even hinted at anything of the kind!

My point was far different.

The point I was trying to make was that the conservative people and politicians in this country who call the shots were NOT overly concerned --at any time throughout Clinton's tenure-- with such issues as Rwanda or East Timor.........but they WERE, however, insanely infatuated with and obsessed with who his sexual partner might have been.

It should be noted that the very small number of people in this country --at ANY time-- who were concerned about and screaming about the genocide taking place in locales like East Timor were people on the left.


(I still cannot understand how the rightwing fucktards in this country could have been SO obsesssed with Clinton's sex life that they impeached him over it, yet NOW when it is mentioned they will go to ANY length imaginable to DENY it....?!?!?!?!? Why they are too cowardly to admit it is a complete mystery to me. They DID it. It's over. Yet they now continually LIE and claim that sex had no part of what he was impeached over. Amazing.)

Oh!!?!!.......you mean the ReichWing's impeachment proceedings against him were NOT over anything to do with his having had sex with a certain person?!?!??!?!?

Gosh. I didn't realize that. Thanks for straightening that out.

I have GOT to re-read those articles of impeachment sometime.........

why do you always forget the part about perjury? are you stupid or just in denial?

I guess protesting is the "thing to do" nowadays...

Now we have George Clooney and other celebs protesting against the Darfur genocide.. saying we are "failing" the people there.

While i wish we could just have a magic wand and eliminate all evil in the world... Why is everyone coming out of the woodwork NOW??? What about during the Clinton administration, all the genocide in Rawanda and starving people in Somalia. There really wasn't anyone calling for Clinton's head.. but Bush is darn right EVIL for not attending to EVERY WORLD CITIZEN.

The thing that gets me is these are the same people who say we should pull all of our troops out of Iraq, bring them home, and worry about our own borders.

Make up your mind Clooney.. and while you're at it, make a good movie, because you've only been in one or two.

http://breakingnews.iol.ie/entertainment/story.asp?j=181216786&p=y8yzy749z










i don't know but i think they shouldn't have picked a communist socialist holiday to protest. doesn't look too good, does it?

why do you always forget the part about perjury? are you stupid or just in denial?

?!?!?

Why do YOU imagine that I have "forgotten" about the perjury?!!

I have never once denied that perjury played a major role in the impeachment proceedings.....where you and I differ on our interpretation of the Clinton impeachment is that I contend that it was testimony over Clinton's sexual[/] activities where the perjury came in.....

.....while [u]you have repeatedly tried to suggest that sex (or, to use your vernacular; "a blow job") had little to nothing to do with the Clinton impeachment.

I leave it to ANY sane individual to contrast our two differing viewpoints and decide who it is that is acting stupidly over this or who is **living in denial**.

you act like you dont care

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Why do YOU imagine that I have "forgotten" about the perjury?!!

I have never once denied that perjury played a major role in the impeachment proceedings.....where you and I differ on our interpretation of the Clinton impeachment is that I contend that it was testimony over Clinton's sexual[/] activities where the perjury came in.....

.....while [u]you have repeatedly tried to suggest that sex (or, to use your vernacular; "a blow job") had little to nothing to do with the Clinton impeachment.

I leave it to ANY sane individual to contrast our two differing viewpoints and decide who it is that is acting stupidly over this or who is **living in denial**.Who gives a fuck why he perjured himself. It is a crime, no matter what he was testifying about. Thats akin to a muderer claiming he wouldnt have commited his crime if the victim would have stayed home that day. Stupid arguement.

Who gives a fuck why he perjured himself. It is a crime, no matter what he was testifying about.

Firstly, i was simply making the factual point that his impeachment came about because of his prior sexual activities......which is without a doubt the stupidest, most inane reason in the world to impeach a president. A president lying to drag a nation into a WAR is about one million times as consequential as what his sex life is like.

Secondly, only in a society as disturbed and as backward --i.e., as neurotically obsessed with sex-- as this one would he have even BEEN ASKED or expected to testify.

The real question is --""Who gives a fuck who the president is having sex with!?!""

THAT is the stupid argument; that a president having a consensual sexual affair is so important that it merits bringing him into court to *testify*, thus laying the groundwork for impeachment.

This country is (and it RICHLY deserves to be so) the laughingstock of the rest of the world for turning it's political system upside down over a politician having a consensual affair.

Make up your mind Clooney.. and while you're at it, make a good movie, because you've only been in one or two.

http://breakingnews.iol.ie/entertainment/story.asp?j=181216786&p=y8yzy749z


I love it!

Firstly, i was simply making the factual point that his impeachment came about because of his prior sexual activities......which is without a doubt the stupidest, most inane reason in the world to impeach a president. A president lying to drag a nation into a WAR is about one million times as consequential as what his sex life is like.



I voted for Bush (two times) and detested Clinton, but I have to agree that I would rather that my President be having his sexual needs gratified. I know that I make better decisions when I am not sexually frustrated.

hahahhaha, Amen to that :)

I just want to know why can't everyone get along???

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Why do YOU imagine that I have "forgotten" about the perjury?!!

I have never once denied that perjury played a major role in the impeachment proceedings.....where you and I differ on our interpretation of the Clinton impeachment is that I contend that it was testimony over Clinton's sexual[/] activities where the perjury came in.....

.....while [U]you have repeatedly tried to suggest that sex (or, to use your vernacular; "a blow job") had little to nothing to do with the Clinton impeachment.

I leave it to ANY sane individual to contrast our two differing viewpoints and decide who it is that is acting stupidly over this or who is **living in denial**.

if George Bush was asked under oath if he ate corn flakes or cheerios this morning, and he lied, you would be preactically shitting your pants to use that to get him out of office.

The fact that clinton cheated on hs wife, in the oval office, the peoples oval office, then lied about it is not just simply "a blowjob" as you claim. I am sure some republicans overplayed the actual act as the real crime, just as some democrats always "forget" to mention the perjury whenver this subject comes up in an atempt to make the republicans look like idiots.

I just want to know why can't everyone get along???

I am thinking that it might have something to do with the fact that we are all individuals and most of us think for ourselves. We cannot always go along with the ideas of others when they cause internal conflict with us and skew our moral compass.

if George Bush was asked under oath if he ate corn flakes or cheerios this morning, and he lied, you would be preactically shitting your pants to use that to get him out of office.

That is not true.

It is well known that he lied thru his teeth about his former drug usage....but I would NEVER advocate that Bush be gone after over something so inconsequential to his duties of office as lying about drug use. But then, it happens that having sex is even LESS consequential to the duties of office than drug usage.

The fact that clinton cheated on hs wife, in the oval office, the peoples oval office, then lied about it is not just simply "a blowjob" as you claim.

It was sex. Nothing more. Big deal.

It means less than nothing to me in reagards to how i rated him as political leader.

I am sure some republicans overplayed the actual act as the real crime....

Yes.........around 250 of them.

It was sex. Nothing more. Big deal.

It means less than nothing to me in reagards to how i rated him as political leader.You're right, it is a big deal. Cheating on your spouse may not be anyone's business in the private sector, but when you are the president, everything is fair game. You may accept or disregard sleaze in others, but not everyone feels the same. However, he was impeached for perjury, not the blowjob. I dont give a rat's ass what his excuse was for perjury, its a crime and he was dumb enough to get caught doing it.


How can your opinion of him not be affected by his actions? At the very least, I dont respect him because he wasnt intelligent enough to hide it a little better. Im a man, I understand not many men would turn down a blowjob, especially if you are married to Hildabeast. Just try to be discreet when your every action is scrutinized by every major news source in the world.

Are you still presenting that lie that the Clinton impeachment proceedings were over a blowjob, Freethinker? The impeachment was because he willfully broke the law by perjuring himself. He lied before a Grand Jury.

If you wish to peddle your blowjob lie why not try a site where people will fall all over themselves to believe you. Maybe you should spend more time at Kos or Bartcop.

http://www.t-shirthumor.com/Merchant2/graphics/fullsize/stfu_lg.gif

You guys wanna discuss the Clinton impeachment trial, get your own fucking thread.

Isn't it great that we have so many celebrities telling us just what we should be concerned about? Who the F*** is George Clooney? He's a goddamn actor! It's a damn shame that things are going nuts in Sudan - BFD. We've a multitude of major issues on this contintent as well. The United States cannot be the Almighty TiT providing for all the needy countries. There's plenty of other deep pockets to mine ... ie. Japan ... Saudi Arabia ... etc.....

Does this apply to all celebrities who meddle in politics? For example, would it have applied to Ronald Reagan, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Sonny Bono; who are all celebrities who decided that politics was their calling? Or does it only apply to some celebrities, the ones that advocate things that you don't like? I am not making an accusation here, just asking the question.

people are funny in that way... only stand up to something and hard-core protest it when they don't like it. if it's ok with them, they won't say anything about it.

Cheating on your spouse may not be anyone's business in the private sector, but when you are the president, everything is fair game..

Yes....unless you're a Republican.

It was WELL known inside the Beltway that George H W Bush for many years had a mistress named Jennifer Fitzgerald.

http://prorev.com/bush2.htm

http://www.physics.unlv.edu/~farley/humor/sex/bush.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Fitzgerald

Yet the Media agreeably swept it under the rug.

really? the bush family is fun to watch, no?

Guys,guys,your egos are running away with it again,theres been enough money squandered on Iraq since day one to feed the continent of Africa for ten years,but then again,there isnt as much fun waving the flag and chucking medals around for doing something positive like that.Couldnt roll the tanks out and have a 'we fed Africa' parade could you,fucken grow up..

look at who needs to "grow up" when you're throwing cuss words around like confetti

really? the bush family is fun to watch, no?

Oh yeeeeeah.

They're "fun" to watch like seeing a pack of wild dogs devour an infant would be "fun".

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In the long and harrowing national nightmare we presently find ourselves trapped in, a filthy brand of governance has emerged, entrenching itself deep into our society with its claws of violence and destruction. It is a government devoid of honor or integrity; living, breathing and spewing lies and deceits, exploiting fear and insecurity to achieve its goals and manipulating an entire nation suffering through its post 9/11 insecurity and slumber into blindly following its evil dictates.------Manuel Valenzuela

Yea 333,just you sit in the sun,and dream of glory then..

well maybe i think it's entertaining to watch COMPLETE IDIOTS run the country and laugh when they ruin things BECAUSE IT'S THEIR FAULT THEY HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THEY'RE DOING. excuse me for having a sense of humor.

Does this apply to all celebrities who meddle in politics? For example, would it have applied to Ronald Reagan, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Sonny Bono; who are all celebrities who decided that politics was their calling? Or does it only apply to some celebrities, the ones that advocate things that you don't like? I am not making an accusation here, just asking the question.

Excellent point Imagineer. I remember years ago on Rowan and Martins Laugh-In: "News of the Future - 25 Years from Today" They began with the opener "President Ronald Reagan..." and the crowd began laughing so hard you could not even hear the rest of the joke. So what's good for Clooney should also have been good for Reagan. Actually Decka I just think you're jealous because Clooney gets much better action than you ever will.

The problem with the Bush gang in office is that it affects the lives of millions of people everyday,some of which die everyday,NOT so funny..

no one ever said anything about death being funny. take it as you will, but i don't think death was funny and i wasn't trying to say that. sorry if you got the wrong impression.