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sedan
04-27-2006, 07:59 AM
China 'selling prisoners' organs'
By Jill McGivering
BBC News

Top British transplant surgeons have accused China of harvesting the organs of thousands of executed prisoners every year to sell for transplants.

In a statement, the British Transplantation Society condemned the practice as unacceptable and a breach of human rights.

The move comes less than a week after Chinese officials publicly denied the practice took place.

In March, China said it would ban the sale of human organs from July.

'Selection'

The British Transplantation Society says an accumulating weight of evidence suggests the organs of thousands of executed prisoners in China are being removed for transplants without consent.

Professor Stephen Wigmore, who chairs the society's ethics committee, told the BBC that the speed of matching donors and patients, sometimes as little as a week, implied prisoners were being selected before execution.

Chinese officials deny the allegations.

Just last week a Chinese health official said publicly that organs from executed prisoners were sometimes used, but only with prior permission and in a very few cases.

But widespread allegations have persisted for several years - including from international human rights groups.

Transplant tourism

Professor Wigmore said: "The weight of evidence has accumulated to a point over the last few months where it's really incontrovertible in our opinion.

"We feel that it's the right time to take a stance against this practice."

The emergence of transplant tourism has made the sale of health organs even more lucrative.

Patients increasingly come from Western countries, including the UK, as well as Japan and South Korea.

Professor Wigmore described this as quite widespread and growing. He and his colleagues, he said, had all seen cases of British patients who had considered going to China for transplants. He really hoped, he added, that people would think very hard about whether they should.

Secrecy surrounding executions in China has always made it difficult to gather facts.

The Chinese authorities recently announced steps to tighten regulations. From July, selling organs will be illegal and all donors must give written permission.

But the practice is lucrative and critics say much will depend on how well those rules are implemented.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4921116.stm

Napsterbater
04-27-2006, 10:49 AM
That's pretty deeply disturbing. Imagine knowing you're alive because some guy in a Chinese jail got forcibly carried off to a medical room of questionable sanitation, knocked out cold, then cut open and his healthy organ removed, and taken back to his cell immediately after.

sedan
04-27-2006, 11:44 AM
Maybe for a kidney or a lung they'd do that, but for a heart or a liver why would they bother to sew him up again?

Napsterbater
04-27-2006, 12:01 PM
I never did say they sewed him back up...

paulc
04-28-2006, 06:49 PM
Id be surprised if some of them are knocked out either.

Napsterbater
04-28-2006, 06:52 PM
They would have to knock him out. If he is struggling, it would make the operation extremely difficult, endangering the removed organ. They'd have to knock him out then administer anasthetics, so that he doesn't wake up mid-procedure.

paulc
04-28-2006, 07:03 PM
After serious consideration,I will have to agree with you,again

Napsterbater
04-29-2006, 01:50 AM
Again? When was the first time?

paulc
04-29-2006, 02:24 AM
Got to think about that,u ever go to bed dude,on the road of life our paths shall cross again.In other words gotta go,start work at 9.

Frogger
04-29-2006, 06:14 AM
I don't think they are harvesting organs from living prisoners. If my take is correct they are taking organs from prisoners who have been executed. While it jars Western sensibilities it is not the same as killing people to harvest their organs. China executes more people than any other nation in the world and they are simply finding a way to make those executed pay for their execution and their keep while awaiting execution. Remember this is the same country that makes the family of an executed prisoner pay for the bullet used to execute him.

sedan
04-29-2006, 07:21 AM
I don't think they are harvesting organs from living prisoners. I don't think they are either, but I did find this disturbing:

Professor Stephen Wigmore, who chairs the society's ethics committee, told the BBC that the speed of matching donors and patients, sometimes as little as a week, implied prisoners were being selected before execution.

Are they routinely tissue-typing prisoners' organs while they are still alive? And then deciding whom to execute? It sure looks that way.

rendova
04-29-2006, 08:19 AM
I wonder how much they charge (per organ?)

paulc
04-29-2006, 08:23 AM
I never was a big fan of the cold war,I thought it a total waste of money,but in Chinas case id make an acception.