Oof! Long article: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?colID=1&articleID=000F1EDD-B48A-1E90-8EA5809EC5880000#1

Well, why not? It's been a theme in many a sci-fi story.

Fantastic article.

I really think the Universe is finite, though. "Infinity" and "Eternity" are imaginary words. Just like "Zero"

Does this mean there is another Blibblob, and Willow. Now I'm getting scared :D :D

That also means that there's another Stalin, another Hitler, another George W...scary multiverse, isn't it?

goddam....that's true....also means there's another pair of clintons out there .....wonder if a neutron bomb will close the gates?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! not another Hillary

Fantastic article.

I really think the Universe is finite, though. "Infinity" and "Eternity" are imaginary words. Just like "Zero"
Do you at least know that it is constantly expanding? Einstien proved that with his energy formula.

Personally I think that having an exact duplicate in the same universe is a little sci-fi. Now using Einstien's Theory of Relativity, causing those universes to be on different planes makes more sense. Then I can imagine an exact duplicate.

I'd rather have another Hitler than another George W (lesser of two evils).

Mopo...your ignorance is surpassed only by your stupidity if you truly believe what you just posted.

Well at least Hitler was intelligent and a very good speaker. Unlike Dubya.

But Hitler was an irresponsible and intolerant dictator. And I am being FAR too generous to him there.

I'd take an extra Dubya over an extra Hitler...Hitler's genocide surpasses even Dubya's.

But Hitler was an irresponsible and intolerant dictator. And I am being FAR too generous to him there.

I'd take an extra Dubya over an extra Hitler...Hitler's genocide surpasses even Dubya's.
I'm not saying Hitler was great, he was a genius though. And at least Hitler had some GOOD excuses for his genocide, again unlike Dubya. "must kill terrorists....while making tax cuts, and making stronger gun laws, and destroying the enviroment"

Originally posted by BorgHunter
But Hitler was an irresponsible and intolerant dictator.


Oh, and George W. isn't?

He is, but not quite to the extremes Hitler was. I really can't believe you are defending Adolf Hitler, who killed 11 million+, by saying that George W. is as bad as Hitler. The death count for Gulf War II is in the low thousands, not the millions.

I can't believe it: I'm the one to defend George W. :eek:

Borghunter's new career path: Defender of Dubya!!

NOOOOOOOO!!!! Talk about hating your job! :D

I think you should list that title right below your name, and in place of "Super Moderator".

No, thank you. :D Besides, there's a rule here that all moderators have to have the word "Moderator" or "Mod" in their title, and Administrators have to have "Administrator" or "Admin" in their titles. Otherwise, no one would know who the admins and mods were!

OK, George W. may not be QUITE as bad a Adolf Hitler, but he IS a dictator. I compared him to Hitler to show how much I hate him. It's scary to know that such a man is in control of our country.

Originally posted by Blibblob
Do you at least know that it is constantly expanding? Einstien proved that with his energy formula.

Personally I think that having an exact duplicate in the same universe is a little sci-fi. Now using Einstien's Theory of Relativity, causing those universes to be on different planes makes more sense. Then I can imagine an exact duplicate.

They say it's constantly expanding, but there is no way to prove anything like that!

mopol....you're simply demonstrating that you're nothing but a dumb southerner- not even intelligent enough to be classified as one who is red-of-neck. If you understand the word 'dictator', how do you rationalize referring to any US President as one?

They say it's constantly expanding, but there is no way to prove anything like that!
E=mc^2 proves it, I don't remember the fully defined reason, try searching. It has to do with an expansion of energy due to that equation.

mopol....you're simply demonstrating that you're nothing but a dumb southerner- not even intelligent enough to be classified as one who is red-of-neck. If you understand the word 'dictator', how do you rationalize referring to any US President as one?
The US is a midway between a republic and a democracy. A practicable democracy is where you vote for your dictator. The US is where you vote for your dictator, but congress can limit his powers. The president has the power to do almost anything, he had the power to have a "police action" last as long has his term, now he has 90 days, then 5 days to bring them home unless war is declared. He can veto any law, but that power is slightly dampened that congress can make the law anyways, if a very large majority agree. He is nothing more than a dictator with miniscule limits. And now, his power is greater than ever.

“Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.”
Julius Caesar

Hitler being a GOOD dictator now I've seen everything you guys are to much :D :D :D :D :D :D

Borg I can't believe the board made you stick up for G.W. I'm sooooo confused :confused:

Originally posted by Blibblob
E=mc^2 proves it, I don't remember the fully defined reason, try searching. It has to do with an expansion of energy due to that equation.

Stick to politics. E=MC^2 is just a few characthers in a certain order. E=MC^2 can't even prove itself let alone the structure of the Universe.

e=mc˛ is not even Einstein's complete Theory of Relativity. It is really much more complicated with a bunch of other things that need to be taken into consideration.

Even so, a man on Earth with a slide rule can't define the shape of the Universe.

You'd have to go there (to the end of the Universe) to "prove" it.

We can still speculate.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
We can still speculate.

Yes "speculate" not "prove"

I’m curious es347fan, just what kind of “old soldier” are you? I thought military people were supposed to be smart. You probably believe all that crap about bio-chemical weapons too don’t you?

Also, it's really not a good idea to label people as Stereotypes, that's not a good habit to get into.

Stick to politics. E=MC^2 is just a few characthers in a certain order. E=MC^2 can't even prove itself let alone the structure of the Universe.
It doesn't define the structure of the universe, it only proves that the universe is constantly expanding. That and quasars, the fastest moving(80% of the speed of light) stars in the universe, they are also the oldest. E=mc^2 is the amount of energy a particular mass has at the speed of light. When looking far out into space(over a very long period) it looks as if every single star moves away from this particular point. They discovered a very long time ago that the universe is expanding, but they believed that this solar system must be the center because it appears that everything is moving away from it. But in reality is is that everything is moving away from everything else, and that light travels too slow for us to see that we are moving in the same direction as some galaxies and solar systems. The true center has not been determined because we can only see out a particular length, the hubble distance.

For all we here on the 3rd rock from the sun know, we're living in a test tube....like psychotic Gullivers..... I often wonder just how much of a sense of humor the Almighty really has. Consider the search for the first "human"...every time they've got one established...(check your National Geographic for details), and the find makes all the papers, the talk shows, etc, suddenly, there's another one even older. Since the Almighty is acknowledged to have all the powers we can dream up, could not that Being simply open a fold in time, place yet another supreme "barbie" in the ground under a mountain, just where the next scientists are digging? Give it a little thought, and think about the Biblical story of the Tower of Babel, and get a sense of the Almighty's humor.

I look at it more like there might be "humans" all the way back to the beginning. Science likes to think that we are a happy accident that happened recently but maybe we are a common result of the process (I hate to say "of evolution" but...)

Maybe I just watch too much ST, STNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise...who knows?

The Almighty knows.....and she ain't tellin

DS9? I haven't seen that on for about a year!

Hehe, science fiction...

In this part of the country DS9 is on the 6th day very near the end, or the 7th day very near the beginning.

Poo. All I get down here in St. Pete is TNG every day, TOS occasionally, and Voyager every day at 11:30 PM. And I never get to watch Voyager because its on too late and I need my sleep. I have to get up at 5:30, you see.

Utilize the vcr & record. You can program a vcr, correct? You don't get Enterprise? It's on UPN, Wed @ 2000.

I don't consider Enterprise Star Trek. It's crap.

And I sold my VCR at a garage sale in favor of a DVD player. I'm still waiting for DVD Recorder prices to go down.

Brand new vcr @ walmart is under $50.....and that'll get you a real good machine.

I got news for you guys....Star Trek sucks:D

say what????
Hey buddy, them's fighiting words. Set phasers on heavy stun, start walking toward one another & shooting from 100 yards.... Star Trek is the classiest science fiction (in all of it's) series that we've ever witnessed.
It does NOT suck.

Originally posted by es347fan
say what????
Hey buddy, them's fighiting words. Set phasers on heavy stun, start walking toward one another & shooting from 100 yards.... Star Trek is the classiest science fiction (in all of it's) series that we've ever witnessed.
It does NOT suck.
You tell 'im, es347! :D

But VHS is dead, I'm not going to buy a $50 VCR when I can wait about a year or so when DVD-R prices drop to around $100, and when DVDs are so much better.

I like star trek, what I don't like are trekies! You take it a step too far when you start talking about warp drives as if they are real and dress up as a klingon. Especially since most of the trekies don't understand any science fiction other than star trek, they don't even understand general science! At trekie conventions, I phaser them.

Maybe you didn't give Enterprise a chance. Remember - it's pre-Kirk, yet has the advantage of being the newest. It does tie in with the others in subtle ways. Enterprise is a well done show, worthy of being a part of the Star Trek series.
Serious Trekkies are definitely marching to a different drummer. I think I've walked through a few conventions, discovering them quite by accident when traveling. Not to bad if you only wander through.

Hell, blib, you must realize that some science in Star Trek is real & feasible, warp drives included! I know much more about science (Hawking-type science is my specialty) than you realize. Without going into a ten-page dissertation on some theories, suffice it to say that warp drives are possible, just somewhat different than they are in Trek: a sublight-speed craft must actually "lay down warp tracks" for the warp drive to work, somewhat like a railroad would work.

I'd be very interested in seeing / reading some concepts on what's after rocket motors, and before the warp engine.

Hell, blib, you must realize that some science in Star Trek is real & feasible, warp drives included! I know much more about science (Hawking-type science is my specialty) than you realize. Without going into a ten-page dissertation on some theories, suffice it to say that warp drives are possible, just somewhat different than they are in Trek: a sublight-speed craft must actually "lay down warp tracks" for the warp drive to work, somewhat like a railroad would work.
Warp drives? How they are percieved in Star Trek is impossible. Going faster than the speed of light will screw up your orientation with the universe. BUT, folding space is possible, so is going through the 4th or 5th planes. There are many theories about how the Universe is oriented, and possible ways to get around the universal speed limit. But that is getting around it, to just try and go faster than the speed of light without doing anything differently than just making another engine, is impossible. And if we did, the damage would be great. If you break the speed of sound, there is a large boom, if you break the speed of light, there might be a time-space paradox created.

Maybe when you break the speed of light, you simply can't slow down. Acheve light speed, and exist on an entirely different plane.

But light doesn't travel completely on a different plane. It travels between the 3rd and 4th, but mostly 3rd. And if you do end up existing on a different plane, it would be a void to you, it can interact with you, but you can't interact with it.

Ahh...but you're applying sub-light knowledge to a condition only known as FTL, and not yet experienced. As we transition to FTL, different rules may apply.

Now this is nice...an actual intelligent debate on this site!

Blib, I understand what you are saying, and that's basically what I'm saying. Warp drives warp space, but the "tracks" must be layed before they can work. Creating artificial wormholes is another theory on how to go from Point A to a 10 Light-years-away Point B in a matter of moments...natural wormholes are also thought to exist.

Now this is nice...an actual intelligent debate on this site!
lol

Your "tracks", like from the newer Lost In Space Movie?(that movie sucked) Only problem with the "tracks" or wormholes, is that you can only go to certain places until more are created. And then there's the Dune space fold. A type of wormhole theory was portrayed nicely in Wing Commander, using the "jump gates", or even quasars. All theories seem fesable now, but watch them all go down the drain later and the reality be that giant space aliens take us around by expanding us to an insanly large size and shrinking part to another portion of space. hehe :D

Blibb, if you think LISM was bad, then you obviously never watched the now "classic" television series, all captured in glorious black & white. To assist in rounding out your fund of knowledge, obtaining & viewing at least 1 episode of that show is strongly recommended. I know you'll be delighted to see that Robbie the Robot was a cast member there as well, reprised from his supporting role in "Forbidden Planet", a well renowned sci-fi film from the mid 1950s, and done in color. Watch that one as well. Learn about "...creatures from the id....".

Hey, I liked the Lost in Space series. I didn't like the movie because it completely threw off the series. Like the Dune movies, they SUCK, because the book is not meant to be a movie. The LISM strayed away from the series.

Dune has not translated well to the silver screen.
LISS was out at the same time the original Star Trek came out. No comparison.

Well, I like Star Trek, I just don't like the horny captain. I just saw nothing wrong with the series, the strings were funny to look at...
<edit>Oops, the "i saw nothing wrong with the series" was directed to LISS

Spock, we...cannot...continue with this...mission. Go...to warp, Mr...Sulu.

Wonder how Spock & Kirk would have reacted to Mork?

MORK!!! *the little hand thing...lol*
They would have phasered him... annoying little space alien, funny though.

What are you thinking of....tribbles? I'm referring to "Mork from Ork"

No, I know what I'm thinking of. But Mork probably would have tested Kirk's patience a little much. Mork, who landed in an egg.

He may have been just the shot in the arm the show needed. ST could tend to be a bit stiff.

I think Mork should have been their leader... Captain Mork. Which sounds better? Captain Mork or captain kirk.