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500lbguerilla
04-20-2006, 10:11 PM
This is an interesting compilation of the war crimes being committed by the US in Iraq and how the media covers it.
http://www.medialens.org/alerts/index.php
Of paticular note I wanted to post this quote:
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A veteran on the march, Jody Casey, was asked if the US military had been concerned about the people of Iraq. He replied:
"Oh no. Definitely that was not a concern at all... I was not concerned about them at all."
Asked if this was simply his personal view, or the view of the military in general, Casey responded:
"No! I mean that's why they call them 'Hajji' [the Iraqi equivalent of 'Gook']. I mean you have got to de-sensitise yourself from them: 'They're not people they are animals'. [There was a] total disregard for human life."
The veteran described how Iraqi civilians discovered in the vicinity of detonated Improvised Explosive Devices (IED) were routinely shot:
"I have seen innocent people being killed. IEDS go off and you just zap any farmer that is close to you... hit him with the 50 [heavy machine gun] or the M-16 [rifle]. Overall there was just the total disregard - they basically jam into your head: 'This is Hajji! This is Hajji'. You totally take the human being out of it and make them into a video game... If you start looking at them as humans, and stuff like that, then how are you gonna kill them?"
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This is exactly what I have been saying all along yet many "uber-patriots" on the boards like to pretend otherwise.
Frogger
04-21-2006, 07:25 AM
Your post is total bullshit. Were soldiers going around indiscriminately killing Iraqi civilians the news services would be all over it.:upyours:
Napsterbater
04-21-2006, 08:50 AM
No, because they kill the journalists too.
Frogger
04-21-2006, 11:30 AM
Napsterbater, get real. This is one of the most reported wars ever.
es347fan
04-21-2006, 12:41 PM
Just can't have fun in a war anymore. GD journalists all over the place, everybody's got digital cameras, email access, doing their own blogs, can't even provide a little "wall -to-wall therapy" for a few prisoners in jail without getting their pictures in the daily news.
Evakian
04-21-2006, 03:47 PM
'Hajji' [the Iraqi equivalent of 'Gook'.]
Many Muslims have undertaken the Hajj (it is mandatory for all able followers), that is a terrible insult at best. ;)
No, because they kill the journalists too.
And you expect the news organizations to not report their employees disappearing? You don't expect their families to bring that up? The killing of Iraqi civilians could be easily covered up; of American journalists, you couldn't expect no controversy or questions.
Just can't have fun in a war anymore.
The "Yeah! Beat them ragheads! Jezus loves America!" mentality is probably what Guerilla is talking about...This is exactly what I have been saying all along yet many "uber-patriots" on the boards like to pretend otherwise.
Napsterbater
04-21-2006, 06:02 PM
And you expect the news organizations to not report their employees disappearing? You don't expect their families to bring that up? The killing of Iraqi civilians could be easily covered up; of American journalists, you couldn't expect no controversy or questions.
They don't kill American journalists, they kill Iraqi journalists. The American ones are easily herded around so they don't actually see anything, especially civilian slaughters.
Decka
04-21-2006, 07:17 PM
They don't kill American journalists, they kill Iraqi journalists. The American ones are easily herded around so they don't actually see anything, especially civilian slaughters.
LOL.. this story gets better all the time.
silverthorne
04-22-2006, 12:36 PM
I'm in the military. Am I a racist? BTW-- I'm dating a kuwati girl who emmigrated from Iraq...
Napsterbater
04-22-2006, 12:38 PM
Yes. Hate yourself now.
500lbguerilla
04-22-2006, 03:59 PM
OMG how can you people be so fucking stupid. Actually your not really stupid, just too defensive to accept reality.
LOL.. this story gets better all the time.
Yeah its not like Bush wanted to bomb Al jeezera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_bombing_memo) because they were covering the atrocities of US troops in Falluja (http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/02/22/1434210). Or that the US had already bombed Al Jazeera in Iraq. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2927527.stm) even though they repeatedly gave their coordinates.
Its not like the US has murder many journalists in Iraq not to mention shelling their hotel with a tank...
Your post is total bullshit. Were soldiers going around indiscriminately killing Iraqi civilians the news services would be all over it. Yeah its not like there hasn't been numerous stories about US forces slaughtering whole families or gunning down any and everyone remotly close to where IEDs have gone off...
No none of that has ever happened. Just stop paying attention and keep shopping.
I'm in the military. Am I a racist? BTW-- I'm dating a kuwati girl who emmigrated from Iraq...who knows? but you sure do post like your a reactionary idiot. I posted this because many people on this board denied that the military has anything to do with racism being used to jusitfy/allow them to murder people. It most certainly does. Everyone knows that murder is wrong. In order to cope with ignoring such strong morals many systems get put into place. Practice shooting at human shaped targets is one. Racism is another. It far easier to murder people when you do't view them as human or when you are extremely paranoid and think any and everyone is out to get you.
Shit there was a UK guy that quit because of how digusted they were at the racism of the americans and treating the Iraqis as "untermenschen".
Napsterbater
04-22-2006, 04:09 PM
even though they repeatedly gave their coordinates.
Saving the intel guy a little trouble in the process.
Frogger
04-22-2006, 04:41 PM
Of course 500 pounder has documentation and URLs for his accusations. I won't bother to ask Napsterbater to come up with some evidence because as per usual, he is simply shooting his mouth off, or should that be his fingers off, simply for the sake of argument.
Napsterbater
04-22-2006, 05:45 PM
Yes, please don't ask me for evidence, I simply do not care enough to go to the effort. Other's are perfectly capable of backing up my claims.
silverthorne
04-22-2006, 07:20 PM
I view Iraqis as people though, and respect them as equals. Also, I'm in the military, and as far as I can tell, far less reactionary and inflammatory than, say, Napsterbater. This is really kind of amusing to me, since the only two people here guilty of assigning negative labels upon a wide group of people they have never met, are those accusing others of being racist. I suppose that it is par for the course though. And is calling me a reactionary idiot because I defend myself when you call me a racist really that mature? I'll answer that one for you, since you seem to have a difficult grasp on things involving reality. No, it isn't.
Jester
04-22-2006, 10:08 PM
I posted this because many people on this board denied that the military has anything to do with racism being used to jusitfy/allow them to murder people. It most certainly does. Everyone knows that murder is wrong. In order to cope with ignoring such strong morals many systems get put into place. Practice shooting at human shaped targets is one. Racism is another. It far easier to murder people when you do't view them as human or when you are extremely paranoid and think any and everyone is out to get you.
Shit there was a UK guy that quit because of how digusted they were at the racism of the americans and treating the Iraqis as "untermenschen".It's unfair to attribute that to racism when soldiers have been able to kill people of their own race just as easily, like during the Civil War, WWI, WWII, etc. You also make it sound like the military trains and encourages soldiers to kill civilians when, in fact, it's quite the opposite. In any training there's always an emphasis on choosing targets selectively and not harming innocents. That doesn't mean that soldiers don't break the rules sometimes, but the idea that they are trained to do so is way off the mark.
And on a personal note, let me say that I've found the military to actually be less racist than the civilian world. I haven't faced a single instance of racism since I've been in, which is something I can't say about my civilian life.
Frogger
04-23-2006, 09:41 AM
silverthorne,
Welcome to allforums. The discussions here tend to be better than at your average, run-or-the-mill- chat sites.
You will find two kinds of posters here. Those who are thoughtful, fairminded, intelligent, respectful of others, and generally nice people. In other words, me and those who agree with me.
Then there is the other group, the non-thoughtful, not fairminded, unintelligent, disrespectful, generally not nice people. In other words, those who disagree with me.
Those who agree with me tend to be better looking too while those who disagree with me have acne, yellow teeth and dirty finger nails.
Pick a side to join. Don't feel pressured but pick a side before your next post. You can either be one of the enlightened ones or one of the denizens of the dark side. The choice is yours.
Frogger
04-23-2006, 09:44 AM
Jester,
I gather from your profile that you are in the military, serving in Korea. I tip my hat to you. Thank you from a fellow citizen for spending a few years far from home defending our freedoms. I salute you and your fellow soldiers.
500lbguerilla
04-23-2006, 12:44 PM
Those who agree with me tend to be better looking too while those who disagree with me have acne, yellow teeth and dirty finger nails.
Pick a side to join. Don't feel pressured but pick a side before your next post. You can either be one of the enlightened ones or one of the denizens of the dark side. The choice is yours.:lolhit:
And is calling me a reactionary idiot because I defend myself when you call me a racist really that mature? No I called you that because I never called you racist. You called yourself that then lashed out. I said that racism is used in the military to enable the murder of human beings.