This is another Amir Taheri article and it makes some good points.

Let's see, Mr Ahmadinejad, the Iranian President, has been running his mouth lately. Mr Ahmadinejad has claimed that one of the Imam's of Islam gave him the Presidency of Iran for the sole purpose of provoking the clash of civilizations with the West and defeats it in a long, slow, assymetric struggle.

Ahmandinejad has a reason to be confident for the following reason.

The world's oil supply is for all intents and purposes is controlled by the Muslims (they control 80% of the world's oil supply.)

There are some 4 TIMES the number of young Muslim men of fighting age than can be found in the West.

Also, Ahmandinejad has claimed that there are zillions of Ghazis, which translates into "Holy Raiders" (think of them as a combination of Special Forces teams and Japanese Kamikaze), that are willing and eager to seek martyrdom in fighting the West.

A spy organization of sorts has been activated throughout the Middle East.

Most importantly, and I do mean MOST importantly, the rest of the world just "hates" the U.S.

One of Ahmandinejad's advisers very astutely noted that American's, since the time of Truman, are impatient and is unwilling to "stay the course" when the going gets rough. Americans tend to run away if it gets their noses bloodied. Bush is a rare exception to that rule and all the Iranians need to do is just wait him out.

The time needed for Iran to develope a fully fledged nuclear weapon is, by "divine" coincidence, is the exact same time needed for Bush to be out of Office.

Oh, and Mr Ahmandinejad has assumed control of the Jerusalem cause, funding Hamas and promising to wipe out Jewish Israel.


In the meantime, Ahmandinejad, will play the diplomatic game with the Euroweenies and the U.N. Promising to temporarily suspend uranium enrichment, then telling them to go and screw themselves, Iran will do as it pleases. Of course the Euroweenes are more then willing to go along with this because, being the spineless pussies that they are (which IS a reason those guys hate the U.S.) aren't about to do anything to provoke Iran. So, they'll whine and plead and pray to God that Ahmandinejad is NOT going to do what he has promised to do.

What a mess.

When is the world going to wake up?

Dammit.


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Oh, and Mr Ahmandinejad has assumed control of the Jerusalem cause, funding Hamas and promising to wipe out Jewish Israel.


The last I heard, Hamas was still looking for the money. Maybe they will pay up after todays suicide bombing.

THe sucide bombing was done by Islamic Jihad.

THe sucide bombing was done by Islamic Jihad.

Hamas is innocent? It would be like Israel having a private army Killing people in restaurants in the Gaza but Israel is not to blame.

The Palestinians are always playing word games so they can kill but still be innocent.


Hamas officials have defended the blast as a justified response to Israeli military strikes against the Palestinians. Hamas, which has carried out scores of homicide bombings in Israel since the early 1990s, has largely observed a truce since last year, but refuses to renounce violence and recognize Israel. Hamas officials also have said they would not try to stop or arrest members of other militant groups trying to carry out attacks.

Hamas is innocent? It would be like Israel having a private army Killing people in restaurants in the Gaza but Israel is not to blame.


You're right old-reb its more of a public army killing people in Gaza.

You're right old-reb its more of a public army killing people in Gaza.

Palestine stated goal is to destroy Israel. Israel goal is to not be destroyed.

Palestine stated goal is to destroy Israel. Israel goal is to not be destroyed.
The only reason that is there goal because Palestinians have been under an oppressive and harsh military occupation for 39 years.

Gee googs,

Israel's occupation of Palestinian land is merely an excuse for the destruction of Israel. THAT is the goal. No matter how much land cedes to the Palestinians, no matter how hard Israel tries to make peace with the Arabs.

NOW, you can say as you wish about what Israel is doing, or exactly who it is that is attacking Israel and the reasons why. The thing I've noticed is that you haven't condemned the bombing of innocent people in a restaurant. It seems that Muslims have a tendency to excuse the attrocities of their bretheren, the one I remember most is when some Islamic lunatic went and ran over a bunch of kids at some southern college to protest the war in Iraq, when a group of students got together to protest terrorism, a group of Muslims approached those people and basically said not to be stating bad things about Islam.

Sorry, googs, but I'm not going for it. It's time the people of the free world start asking hard questions about where Muslims stand on the issue of Islamic terrorism and to stop turning a blind eye to Islamic terrorism. Whether or not the Euroweenies and leftists deny it, the West IS in a culture war with Islam and it's high time the West starts defending itself.

Dammit.

Venezuela is now the keymaster of the oil -- not Saudi Arabia, not Iran, not Iraq.

Iran has every right to enrich uranium -- there is absolutely no law that says otherwise.

Gee Dop,

Laws become absolutely useless in International politics. Hell, I bet there's a law agaisnt genocide somewhere in the U.N. charter, but did that stop the mass killings in Rwanda, North Korea and Iraq? There's probably a law against stealing intellectual property, but does that stop the Chinese from openly pirating American movies, music and software? I could also point out that the U.S. leads the world in pharmaceutical innovations, and other countries pirate the drugs created here in America.

The thing about Iran you've got to wake up to, the reason why I harp on this subject forcefully is that the Iranian government WANTS nuclear weapons, it wants to wipe Israel off the map, it wants to be the preeminent power in the Middle East, it wants to spread its brand of Islam worldwide and has promised to engage in a terrorist type campaign against the West once Bush is out of Office to achieve those goals. Refer to my original link for specifics.

It's a rather bad idea for the Western world to collectively sit there with its finger up its nose while a country like that is doing nuclear research, dammit.

Here is a little info from Darth's recommended author

ahmad talks to the dead and plans to build thousands of nuclear bombs, enough for everyone and he has the balls to use them too.

THE FRIGHTENING TRUTH OF WHY IRAN WANTS A BOMB
by Amir Taheri
Telegraph
April 16, 2006

Last Monday, just before he announced that Iran had gatecrashed "the nuclear club", President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad disappeared for several hours. He was having a khalvat (tête-à-tête) with the Hidden Imam, the 12th and last of the imams of Shiism who went into "grand occultation" in 941.

According to Shia lore, the Imam is a messianic figure who, although in hiding, remains the true Sovereign of the World. In every generation, the Imam chooses 36 men, (and, for obvious reasons, no women) naming them the owtad or "nails", whose presence, hammered into mankind's existence, prevents the universe from "falling off". Although the "nails" are not known to common mortals, it is, at times, possible to identify one thanks to his deeds. It is on that basis that some of Ahmad-inejad's more passionate admirers insist that he is a "nail", a claim he has not discouraged. For example, he has claimed that last September, as he addressed the United Nations' General Assembly in New York, the "Hidden Imam drenched the place in a sweet light".

Last year, it was after another khalvat that Ahmadinejad announced his intention to stand for president. Now, he boasts that the Imam gave him the presidency for a single task: provoking a "clash of civilisations" in which the Muslim world, led by Iran, takes on the "infidel" West, led by the United States, and defeats it in a slow but prolonged contest that, in military jargon, sounds like a low intensity, asymmetrical war.

In Ahmadinejad's analysis, the rising Islamic "superpower" has decisive advantages over the infidel. Islam has four times as many young men of fighting age as the West, with its ageing populations. Hundreds of millions of Muslim "ghazis" (holy raiders) are keen to become martyrs while the infidel youths, loving life and fearing death, hate to fight. Islam also has four-fifths of the world's oil reserves, and so controls the lifeblood of the infidel. More importantly, the US, the only infidel power still capable of fighting, is hated by most other nations.

According to this analysis, spelled out in commentaries by Ahmadinejad's strategic guru, Hassan Abassi, known as the "Dr Kissinger of Islam", President George W Bush is an aberration, an exception to a rule under which all American presidents since Truman, when faced with serious setbacks abroad, have "run away". Iran's current strategy, therefore, is to wait Bush out. And that, by "divine coincidence", corresponds to the time Iran needs to develop its nuclear arsenal, thus matching the only advantage that the infidel enjoys.

Moments after Ahmadinejad announced "the atomic miracle", the head of the Iranian nuclear project, Ghulamreza Aghazadeh, unveiled plans for manufacturing 54,000 centrifuges, to enrich enough uranium for hundreds of nuclear warheads. "We are going into mass production," he boasted.

Iran has every right to enrich uranium -- there is absolutely no law that says otherwise.

The reason there is "fuss" is not whether they have the right to do this, it is that whether they should be allowed to. Being the US, it is in our best interest to keep that from happening as a reason of caution, since that will most likely result in their creating of nuclear weaponry. Do you feel good about Iran having nuclear weapons, as an American? The best answer is a resounding 'no'.

Venezuela is now the keymaster of the oil -- not Saudi Arabia, not Iran, not Iraq.

Then why do those three countries trump Venezuela in oil production?

Gee googs,

Israel's occupation of Palestinian land is merely an excuse for the destruction of Israel. THAT is the goal. No matter how much land cedes to the Palestinians, no matter how hard Israel tries to make peace with the Arabs.

NOW, you can say as you wish about what Israel is doing, or exactly who it is that is attacking Israel and the reasons why. The thing I've noticed is that you haven't condemned the bombing of innocent people in a restaurant. It seems that Muslims have a tendency to excuse the attrocities of their bretheren, the one I remember most is when some Islamic lunatic went and ran over a bunch of kids at some southern college to protest the war in Iraq, when a group of students got together to protest terrorism, a group of Muslims approached those people and basically said not to be stating bad things about Islam.

Sorry, googs, but I'm not going for it. It's time the people of the free world start asking hard questions about where Muslims stand on the issue of Islamic terrorism and to stop turning a blind eye to Islamic terrorism. Whether or not the Euroweenies and leftists deny it, the West IS in a culture war with Islam and it's high time the West starts defending itself.

Dammit.
Well Gee Darth
How can you say that is not an excuse. Palestinians do not only live under a cruel occupation, 49% of Palestinians live under the poverty due to the military occupation. Its not only Muslims facing this horrible military occupation but Palestinian Christians as well. Yes it is wrong and a terrible atrocity but what do you expect them to do? They have little help from the outside world. I am very critical of Muslims as I am to old-reb. They are just as ignorant. They misinterpret it and they believe it gives them an excuse to kill innocent people. I just stated that it was Islamic Jihad not Hamas. And the only reason I believe Hamas justified the attack is because they can settle some ground with Islamic Jihad. I despise Hamas. I despise Israelie Policy. And I despise American Foreign Policy. I want to address the fact about the guy that ran over the group of people to protest the war. Instead of ridiculing the Islam, they should have ridculed the man who committed the atrocity. I have said this many times, Islam is a perfect religon, to me, unfortunately the people that practice the religon are not. And when it comes to Hamas and many of the Islamic Countries they are not perfect, in fact, they are far from it. You can proclaim that Israel is innocent all you guys want, but face it, they are just as guilty as Hamas.

I could also point out that the U.S. leads the world in pharmaceutical innovations, and other countries pirate the drugs created here in America.

I don't have a problem with that. Human knowledge doesn't just belong to the few that can pay for it.

The reason there is "fuss" is not whether they have the right to do this, it is that whether they should be allowed to. Being the US, it is in our best interest to keep that from happening as a reason of caution, since that will most likely result in their creating of nuclear weaponry. Do you feel good about Iran having nuclear weapons, as an American? The best answer is a resounding 'no'.



Then why do those three countries trump Venezuela in oil production?

Why do we allow Israel, India and Pakistan to have nukes but not Iran? Don't tell me it's because of leadership -- what happens if Israel suddenly decides to elect a whack job?

The figures were released just last week and it showed Venezuela has the most oil -- I presume it meant in the ground.

TY googs for your response, I may add a detailed response later.

As for you Napster,

The Chinese policy of turning a blind eye to intellectual property theft is just as bad as having the Chi-Coms allow their citizens to come into our homes and just take our stuff. A new medicine, for instance, requires a person to spend a huge chunk of money going to college to learn just about every single scientific dicipline under the sun. THEN he has to be hired by the Pharmaceutical companies to do research, and seeing how you really can't find scientific researchers under every flaming rock, it doesn't come cheap to hire the guy, who then has to spend years and years and years of labourious research to find a drug or technique that will conteract a given disease or condition. So, it's expensive to find miracle cures, or new antibiotics or whatever. So prices are high.

NOW, you can argue that such medical breakthroughs should belong to everyone, but if those pharmaceutical companies don't make a profit from their investing in their research, what happens is that there is no more research. No more research, no more medical advances. No more cures for diseases.

The Chinese could negotiate to make a given medicine or drug, and they could pay whatever company made that drug but they act like the local Mafioso infesting seedy parts of Chicago in the 30s and just take what they wish. It's another failing of the Western world to defend themselves from a beligerent power, and I tire of it.

Dammit.

The Chinese policy of turning a blind eye to intellectual property theft is just as bad as having the Chi-Coms allow their citizens to come into our homes and just take our stuff.

Sure it is, Darth. You keep telling yourself that. The movie and music industries make plenty of money. So do the pharmaceutical companies. The sky is not going to fall on the American technology inventors and culture producers. There's way too much money in the American market and the rest of the first world for them to just stop. When China finally gets in the position to compete economically on the global stage, they will join the IP assfuck along with the rest of the world that greedy content protectors do their filthy business in.

Why do we allow Israel, India and Pakistan to have nukes but not Iran? Don't tell me it's because of leadership -- what happens if Israel suddenly decides to elect a whack job?

I don't care what whackjob gets in the seat of Israel's PM, they won't bomb us. :D

The figures were released just last week and it showed Venezuela has the most oil -- I presume it meant in the ground.

Ahh...interesting.

I don't care what whackjob gets in the seat of Israel's PM, they won't bomb us. :D



Ahh...interesting.

Actually neither Israel nor Iran has the capability of nuking the united states.

Let's see, Mr Ahmadinejad, the Iranian President, has been running his mouth lately. Mr Ahmadinejad has claimed that one of the Imam's of Islam gave him the Presidency of Iran for the sole purpose of provoking the clash of civilizations with the West and defeats it in a long, slow, assymetric struggle.

gee that sure sounds familiar....

"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them." - W

Hamas officials have defended the blast as a justified response to Israeli military strikes against the Palestinians. Hamas, which has carried out scores of homicide bombings in Israel since the early 1990s, h
bwahahahaaaaa ahhh Old Reb you sure are a sucker for racist garbage propaganda. No one with an ounce of integrity uses the phrase homicide bombing...
NOW, you can say as you wish about what Israel is doing, or exactly who it is that is attacking Israel and the reasons why. The thing I've noticed is that you haven't condemned the bombing of innocent people in a restaurant. It seems that Muslims have a tendency to excuse the attrocities of their bretheren, the one I remember most is when some Islamic lunatic went and ran over a bunch of kids at some southern college to protest the war in Iraq, when a group of students got together to protest terrorism, a group of Muslims approached those people and basically said not to be stating bad things about Islam.What like how you defend the murderous scum in the US army and Israel? I've denounced both and you have readilay argued with me defending one side and not the other with it. I'm not saying what your saying may not be true in some cases but it sure make you look like a hippie-crite.

Iran has every right to enrich uranium -- there is absolutely no law that says otherwise.
The reason there is "fuss" is not whether they have the right to do this, it is that whether they should be allowed to. Being the US, it is in our best interest to keep that from happening as a reason of caution, since that will most likely result in their creating of nuclear weaponry. Do you feel good about Iran having nuclear weapons, as an American? The best answer is a resounding 'no'. Thank god for honest posters. I'm tired of people who bullshit their arguments.

Actually neither Israel nor Iran has the capability of nuking the united states.

They don't have the capability to nuke us using a miisile or plane. Anyone could, of course, put a nuke in a shipping container aboard a Liberian registry freighter and sail it into any port in the world. It is slow, but just as effective as the faster means of delivery.

They don't have the capability to nuke us using a miisile or plane. Anyone could, of course, put a nuke in a shipping container aboard a Liberian registry freighter and sail it into any port in the world. It is slow, but just as effective as the faster means of delivery.

Your point is taken Imagineer but in reality, the logistics of transporting and detonating a nuclear device is very complicated. It would take real pros and a great amount of luck to pull it off.

What like how you defend the murderous scum in the US army and Israel? I've denounced both and you have readilay argued with me defending one side and not the other with it. I'm not saying what your saying may not be true in some cases but it sure make you look like a hippie-crite.

The only problem with your argument is that if the Palestinians ever stop resorting to terrorism, the Israelis will stop fighting them. It just doesn't work the other way, dammit.

About this Bush talking to God thing. As Lincoln said about people appealing to God, both sides can be, but one must be wrong. Keep in mind Ahmadinejab's stated goals, and choose a side, there is no standing aside on this one, dammit.

the Israelis will stop fighting them.

Total bullshit. They will keep moving into Palestinian territory and pushing them into a smaller and smaller plot of land.

The only problem with your argument is that if the Palestinians ever stop resorting to terrorism, the Israelis will stop fighting them. It just doesn't work the other way, dammit. your problem is that you are argueing for collective punishment (which is also illegal according to the UN). By your reasoning the people in the WTC on 9-11 were legitimate targets because Americans, somewhere in the world, at some point, were commitng an act of terrorism. Therefore they were merely responding to US terrorism and any innocent killed were merely "aideres and abettors." Good Job Darth.

Total bullshit. They will keep moving into Palestinian territory and pushing them into a smaller and smaller plot of land.

Which is why Israel has been ceding land to the Palestinians for years now. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


your problem is that you are argueing for collective punishment (which is also illegal according to the UN). By your reasoning the people in the WTC on 9-11 were legitimate targets because Americans, somewhere in the world, at some point, were commitng an act of terrorism. Therefore they were merely responding to US terrorism and any innocent killed were merely "aideres and abettors." Good Job Darth.


While I'm just sure that there are Palestinians who do desire peace, their government, and the governments of the entire Middle East don't wish for that peace. Which is why Syria, Saudi Arabia and Iran have all had a hand in fueling this conflict, dammit.

yes, their government does want peace. Most palistinians (just like most Israelis) want peace. The probelm is the leaders of Israel do not.

Hamas is innocent? It would be like Israel having a private army Killing people in restaurants in the Gaza but Israel is not to blame.

The Palestinians are always playing word games so they can kill but still be innocent.
Isreal has a private army killing people in Gaza,its called the Isreali Defence Forces,who use mobile artillery,I think they were supplied by The United States.