Bush acknowledges declassifying intelligence
Critics: White House should explain why information was released

Monday, April 10, 2006; Posted: 2:16 p.m. EDT (18:16 GMT)


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush said Monday that he had declassified intelligence documents in 2003 to help explain his administration's reasons for going to war in Iraq.

"I thought it was important for people to get a better sense of what I was saying in my speeches," Bush said, answering a question from an audience member at Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies in Washington. "And I felt I could do so without jeopardizing ongoing intelligence matters."

Bush said he had authorized the release of the documents because some Americans questioned his reasons for going to war.

"So I wanted people to see the truth," he said. "And I thought it made sense for people to see the truth."

Rest of Article (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/10/whitehouse.leak/)

Here's what I'd like to know:

If George Bush was so concerned about wanting "people to see the truth", why didn't he declassify the NIE and go on television the same day saying "Here's what we knew and this is when we knew it. Here's the truth for all Americans to see."? What possible reason could he have for informally declassifying portions of the NIE and having the information surreptitiously leaked if airing the truth was really his primary goal?

Any guesses out there?

Bush acknowledges declassifying intelligence
Critics: White House should explain why information was released

Monday, April 10, 2006; Posted: 2:16 p.m. EDT (18:16 GMT)


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush said Monday that he had declassified intelligence documents in 2003 to help explain his administration's reasons for going to war in Iraq.

"I thought it was important for people to get a better sense of what I was saying in my speeches," Bush said, answering a question from an audience member at Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies in Washington. "And I felt I could do so without jeopardizing ongoing intelligence matters."

Bush said he had authorized the release of the documents because some Americans questioned his reasons for going to war.

"So I wanted people to see the truth," he said. "And I thought it made sense for people to see the truth."

Rest of Article (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/10/whitehouse.leak/)

Here's what I'd like to know:

If George Bush was so concerned about wanting "people to see the truth", why didn't he declassify the NIE and go on television the same day saying "Here's what we knew and this is when we knew it. Here's the truth for all Americans to see."? What possible reason could he have for informally declassifying portions of the NIE and having the information surreptitiously leaked if airing the truth was really his primary goal?

Any guesses out there?


That precise question was asked on one of the talk shows and the panel studdered and stammered and eventually had to admit they had no explanation.

Bush/Cheney have their backs against the wall on this one. There is just no way to spin their way out of it -- even lying isn't working.

This one is a true disgrace & really shows Bush to be a liar.

He said he'd fire anybody who made the leak, tax payer $ were spent investigating. Libby took the fall & now it turns out it all started with Bush.

The response.....he has the right to declassify. Amazing.

This one is a true disgrace & really shows Bush to be a liar.

He said he'd fire anybody who made the leak, tax payer $ were spent investigating. Libby took the fall & now it turns out it all started with Bush.

The response.....he has the right to declassify. Amazing.

More amazing ...

If he indeed declassified ...

1) He completely circumvented the declassification process.

2) He told no one other than Cheney and Libby.

3) He let Judith Miller sit in jail for charges revolving around information americans were led to believe was still classified when he could have sprung her by stating it had been declassified.

4) If he wanted people to know the reasons for the war, he could have simply held a press conference to tell the people but chose to leak it through Libby.

5) He let a grand jury investigation continue to the tune of millions of dollars all centered on supposedly still-classified information.

6) He still can't account for the 11 day lapse between the Libby-Miller exchange and his claim to declassification.

This one is a true disgrace & really shows Bush to be a liar.

He said he'd fire anybody who made the leak, tax payer $ were spent investigating. Libby took the fall & now it turns out it all started with Bush.

The response.....he has the right to declassify. Amazing.

Very succinct Drew. Nicely put. I would say though, I'm not so much amazed as disgusted.

It won't get much press attention though because the issue is beyond the comprehension & attention span of a 7 year old and therefore not an issue the american public will focus on for more than 2 mins.

Now, if Bush had declassified the info using a secret laser hidden in the ozark mountains - that would be news we could all get behind and be truly outraged about.

It won't get much press attention though because the issue is beyond the comprehension & attention span of a 7 year old and therefore not an issue the american public will focus on for more than 2 mins.


I hope you are wrong about that.

This one is a true disgrace & really shows Bush to be a liar.


:eek: Say it isn't so, Bush a liar, :eek: noooooooooooo a politician lying to the public, stop the insanity. :lolhit:

Drew you get 2 :thumbs: :thumbs:

Of course he authorized it. You can't have him being challenged on the non-existence of nukes in Iran. Now they are free to say whatever bullshit pops in their head about IRan.

Bush 'is planning nuclear strikes on Iran's secret sites'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=U0FGCWPXJOFD3QFIQMFSFFOAVCBQ 0IV0?xml=/news/2006/04/09/wbush09.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/04/09/ixnewstop.html

Bush 'planning nuclear strike' against Iran
http://acvs.mediaonenetwork.net/client/acvcbd301.aspx?DTM=1144764255567&m1SECID=NZH-2&DOC=http%3A//www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm%3Fc_id%3D2%26ObjectID%3D10376825&REF=http%3A//www.whatreallyhappened.com/&TZ=-420&Client_ID=97420d00-3349-48b7-ad31-18d137dcf89b&Session_ID=qaek4t2t1lohlu55nopyvoi1&bhcp=1

:eek: Say it isn't so, Bush a liar, :eek: noooooooooooo a politician lying to the public, stop the insanity. :lolhit:

Drew you get 2 :thumbs: :thumbs:

You shouldn't be so cynical about the President blatantly lying & decieving the American public.

The response.....he has the right to declassify. Amazing.

"If the American people have a problem with Bush raping then sacrificeing 15 newborn infants to Satan then they obviously don't understand that this is a vital national security issue. Congress authorized Bush to protect us from terrorists and if thats what it takes to protect the country then its legal and worth it."

More amazing ...

If he indeed declassified ...

1) He completely circumvented the declassification process.

What is the proper declassification process?

2) He told no one other than Cheney and Libby.
He only told cheyney, who then told libby. Which is irrelevant to the alleged crime.

3) He let Judith Miller sit in jail for charges revolving around information americans were led to believe was still classified when he could have sprung her by stating it had been declassified.

That was a choice Miller made for herself. bush had nothing to do with that. It was only libby's lawyers letter that gave her the comfort she wanted.

4) If he wanted people to know the reasons for the war, he could have simply held a press conference to tell the people but chose to leak it through Libby.

If the info was declassified it wasn't a leak was it.

5) He let a grand jury investigation continue to the tune of millions of dollars all centered on supposedly still-classified information. The info in the NIE has nothing to do with Fitzgerald's investigation. How could you misconstrue that?

6) He still can't account for the 11 day lapse between the Libby-Miller exchange and his claim to declassification.

Has anyone asked him to?

NO one has accounted for bob woodward's claim that he'd heard a plames existence and job back in mid-june, long before novak's article had been written.
And in fact Fitzgerald has been on the case for over 830 days so far and unable to find anyone to indict over the revelation of Plame. What's up with that?

This is like the 'true believers' who insist that there was something wrong in Whitewater. They never found anything there either yet there are 'true believers' who still insist its a cover-up. You guys have become what you despise.

What is the proper declassification process?


He only told cheyney, who then told libby. Which is irrelevant to the alleged crime.



That was a choice Miller made for herself. bush had nothing to do with that. It was only libby's lawyers letter that gave her the comfort she wanted.



If the info was declassified it wasn't a leak was it.

The info in the NIE has nothing to do with Fitzgerald's investigation. How could you misconstrue that?



Has anyone asked him to?

NO one has accounted for bob woodward's claim that he'd heard a plames existence and job back in mid-june, long before novak's article had been written.
And in fact Fitzgerald has been on the case for over 830 days so far and unable to find anyone to indict over the revelation of Plame. What's up with that?

This is like the 'true believers' who insist that there was something wrong in Whitewater. They never found anything there either yet there are 'true believers' who still insist its a cover-up. You guys have become what you despise.


You missed the point entirely ... if he had declassified the information that was central to Fitzgerald's investigation and he informed the public the correct way, then there would be no investigation because there would not have been a crime comitted thus no Fitzgerald, no investigation, no Judith Miller, no grand jury, no 3 million dollars wasted, no Libby indictment etc etc etc ...

You missed the point entirely ... if he had declassified the information that was central to Fitzgerald's investigation and he informed the public the correct way, then there would be no investigation because there would not have been a crime comitted thus no Fitzgerald, no investigation, no Judith Miller, no grand jury, no 3 million dollars wasted, no Libby indictment etc etc etc ...

Exactly !!!

I thought Fitzgerald was investigating the allegation that Plame's identity had been deliberately revealed?
What does the NIE for 2002 have to do with deliberately revealing her identity?

I thought Fitzgerald was investigating the allegation that Plame's identity had been deliberately revealed?
What does the NIE for 2002 have to do with deliberately revealing her identity?

Federal investigators and their grand jury can expand the investigation with just about unlimited power and boundaries. Valeria Plame is just one piece of this puzzle.

And FWIW: There was an attachment to the NIE named the INR that did include Plames name and status ... to answer your question about the NIE linking to Plame.

Federal investigators and their grand jury can expand the investigation with just about unlimited power and boundaries. Valeria Plame is just one piece of this puzzle.

And FWIW: There was an attachment to the NIE named the INR that did include Plames name and status ... to answer your question about the NIE linking to Plame.

Could you direct me to the INR that includes plames name and status. i've seen the declassified NIE but recall no such attachment.

Could you direct me to the INR that includes plames name and status. i've seen the declassified NIE but recall no such attachment.

Of course I can't -- it's classified.

Of course I can't -- it's classified.

It's classified but you know there's an attachment that mentions plames name and status. :rolleyes:

Got this weeks lottery numbers too?

YOu don't mind if i call you carnak going forward do you?

YOu don't mind if i call you carnak going forward do you?There's only one Karnak around here. :D

Cripes sakes waldo -- it was reported ... dig it out.

OK - I'll try and find a link.

Bush/Cheney have their backs against the wall on this one.

*Backs to the wall*..........?!?!?!?!

Bull--fucking--shit.

Do you think that Bush and Cheney and their co-conspirators will ever suffer even the slightest, most infinitesimal punishment for having perpetrated the Plame affair?!?!?

NO....they won't. They won't, because ---thanks to the thoroughness of the indoctrination process, the effectiveness of which is demonstrated here daily by fools like gmsisko and waldo--- public opinion can be counted on to NOT turn against them.



There is just no way to spin their way out of it

GUFFAW!!!.....there is no NEED for Bush and Cheney to "spin" their way out of anything.

They are not being CHARGED with anything!

The American People are too goddamned dimwitted to SEE what they did, and complain over it.

-- even lying isn't working.

Their lying is most certainly -- "working".

It is working to near perfection.......because the mass of people they are lying to are SO receptive to their lies.

Useful idiots like waldo, and gmsisko and Trav will believe the crooked motherfuckers in control of the country no matter WHAT evidence is revealed that demonstrates their complicity.

And there are ---sadly--- MILLIONS OF unquestioning dupes like waldo and gmsisko in this country.

There's only one Karnak around here. :D


I must give credit where credit is due. Your avatar was indeed the source of my 'inspiration'. :thumbs:

Bushs advisors told him in 03 that Saddam had 'weapons of mass destruction',or so he told the world.Is there any mention of these non-exsistant weapons in 06,i think not.Just the oval office bullshitting and scareing the American public as usual.

*Backs to the wall*..........?!?!?!?!

Bull--fucking--shit.

Do you think that Bush and Cheney and their co-conspirators will ever suffer even the slightest, most infinitesimal punishment for having perpetrated the Plame affair?!?!?

NO....they won't. They won't, because ---thanks to the thoroughness of the indoctrination process, the effectiveness of which is demonstrated here daily by fools like gmsisko and waldo--- public opinion can be counted on to NOT turn against them.


GUFFAW!!!.....there is no NEED for Bush and Cheney to "spin" their way out of anything.

They are not being CHARGED with anything!

The American People are too goddamned dimwitted to SEE what they did, and complain over it.


Their lying is most certainly -- "working".

It is working to near perfection.......because the mass of people they are lying to are SO receptive to their lies.

Useful idiots like waldo, and gmsisko and Trav will believe the crooked motherfuckers in control of the country no matter WHAT evidence is revealed that demonstrates their complicity.

And there are ---sadly--- MILLIONS OF unquestioning dupes like waldo and gmsisko in this country.


People may not be as blind as you think Free --

86% say impeach

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904#survey

500lbguerilla: Of course he authorized it. You can't have him being challenged on the non-existence of nukes in Iran. Now they are free to say whatever bullshit pops in their head about IRan.

*****
Apparently, so can Iran:
"Iran's deputy nuclear chief, Mohammad Saeedi, said Wednesday that Iran intends to move toward large-scale uranium enrichment involving 54,000 centrifuges, signaling the country's resolve to expand a program the United Nations has demanded it halt.

"Today, our situation has changed completely. We are a nuclear country and speak to others from the position of a nuclear country," IRNA quoted the president as saying Thursday.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060413/D8GVB6600.html

I guess Saeedi and Ahmadinejad are Bush propagandists.

People may not be as blind as you think Free --

86% say impeach

Puhhleeeeze.

The imbecilic Rightwing faction cares nothing about the US president committing crimes against humanity.......they care nothing about traitorous behavior on Bush's part.......they care nothing about the U.S. political leadership committing war crimes.

As long as Bush keeps his dick in his pants and does not fuck anyone other than Laura, he's perfectly safe from impeachment.

__________________________________________________ ______

America; that purported "nation of decent, God-fearing” people --just as it happened in Hitler’s Germany-- is pledging allegiance to a regime whose record of corruption, greed, secrecy and rank incompetence has surpassed all human reckoning. Is the comfort of conformity and the safety of loyalty to the Empire really worth abandoning all pretense of morality, honesty and ethics?

As long as Bush keeps his dick in his pants and does not fuck anyone other than Laura, he's perfectly safe from impeachment.

Hear, hear!

America; that purported "nation of decent, God-fearing” people --just as it happened in Hitler’s Germany-- is pledging allegiance to a regime whose record of corruption, greed, secrecy and rank incompetence has surpassed all human reckoning. Is the comfort of conformity and the safety of loyalty to the Empire really worth abandoning all pretense of morality, honesty and ethics?

You say our nation is "pledging allegiance" to an administration, one that is being barraged by very low approval ratings, calls to impeachment, and indictments of its partners in government, how does that work out? And the way you speak of this corruption of power is as if it was a force more deviant than the triumvirate of Stalinist Russia, Nazi Germany, and Tse Tung's China all combined into one hideous beast.

FT, you've posted here for quite some time. I like you, many others here on the board like you, but this fancy for theatrics is unneeded. We are aware that there are things wrong with the government, we are aware that you have the utmost disdain for the powers in office right now, but we don't need to have it played out like some sort of science-fiction novel on the boards. Just my thoughts.

PS- May I advise that you not use the idea of morality in your argument unless you yourself hold such an ideal as true also? ('pretense' was aptly applied)

Bah, I like FT's theatrics. It's nice to know somebody can be consistant.

And I think he has an excellent grasp of the right way to think of morality.

More Twain quotes I see, he was certainly a character. And I've no contention over FT's ideas on morality, just the fact that he used it in an argument when he doesn't exactly belive in such; I may be mistaken. FT can be entertaining with his style at times, given me many a good chuckle.

I guess Saeedi and Ahmadinejad are Bush propagandists.
sigh...yet again you paint the world in black and white like a small child...

Of course they are propgandists. Of course Iran is building nuclear reactors.

The question is are they trying to build nukes. Now given the the US will gladly invade any coutry without nukes that they have 1st disarmed it seems that if Iran wants to avoid being invaded it would try to make nukes. Especially with the antagonistic relation it shares with Israel (who has undeclared/illegal nukes, but of course no one wants to investigate them...).

Now Plame was active working on WMD intelligence on Iran (as no doubt all her, now displaced, contacts and coworkers were as well). Her husband investigated such in Iraq. Leak = 2 birds, one stone. Iran has always been on the agenda and the Busheviks didn't want any more contradictions.

I hate the Iranian assholes as much as I hate the Busheviks (and Saddam to boot). But who really pays the price of war? not them...