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gmsisko1
04-01-2006, 12:57 PM
Iraq
Documents Reveal Saddam's Hidden Agenda
By Erick Stakelbeck
Washington Terror Analyst


– WASHINGTON - Earlier this month, the Bush administration began releasing some of the two million classified documents captured by U.S. forces in postwar Iraq and Afghanistan.

Considering what they have already revealed, it has left many wondering why it took so long to open them up.

Over the past three years, these have become rallying cries for many critics of the Iraq war: no WMD. No connection between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda. Bush lied the U.S. into war.

But critics soon may need to re-think their barbs, thanks to the release of Saddam's secret documents.

Republican Congressman Peter Hoekstra (R-MI) is chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. He remarked, "There are still a lot of key individuals who have never been interviewed, there's been a lot of sites that have never been investigated, and there have been lots of documents that have never been translated.”

He led the fight on Capitol Hill to have the documents released to the public.

“We know that Saddam had a systemic approach in place to destroy a lot of the documents. These are the things that he missed,” Hoekstra said.

The documents have already provided a clearer picture of Saddam's links to international terror.
One shows that in 1999, Saddam's son Uday called for a wave of suicide attacks against Western targets.

Another document states that in 1995, a representative of Saddam's regime met with Osama bin Laden in Sudan with Saddam's full approval.

During the meeting, bin Laden suggested that Iraq and al-Qaeda should carry out "joint operations against foreign forces" in Saudi Arabia. Eight months after this meeting, terrorists killed five u.s. military advisors in Riyadh. The terrorists claimed they had been trained by bin Laden.

Steven Hayes is a senior writer for The Weekly Standard. “You hear a lot now in the mainstream press and primarily Democratic politicians like Carl Levin and others, that there was no relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda,” Hayes said, “…The Iraqis who are responsible for conducting the relationship--and their own documents--tell quite a different story.”

His book, The Connection, details Saddam's links to al-Qaeda. Hayes says Saddam's documents show that Iraq funded Abu Sayyaf--an al-Qaeda-linked terrorist group based in the Philippines. But that is not all.

Hayes said, “One of the documents describes the things that Iraqis--Iraqi intelligence officials, Iraqi regime officials--should do to stoke an insurgency. And they said things like kill Sunni clerics and blame the Shiites, kill Shiite clerics and blame the Sunnis. Use mosques to store arms.”

Could the newly released documents also shed light on Iraq's elusive wmds? Jack Shaw--a former top Pentagon official--said recently that Russia helped move Iraq's wmds into Syria and Lebanon prior to the u.s. invasion. Others believe that wmds are still in Iraq today.

David Gaubatz is a former U.S. federal agent who recently met with officials on Capitol Hill.

“I'm 100 percent confident that WMD was and still is in Iraq,” affirmed Gaubatz. “The only thing I think, with the documents -- [they’re] going to verify what I'm saying.”

In 2003, Gaubatz was assigned to Iraq for four months. His main task was to find weapons of mass destruction. He told us of sites he personally visited in the city of Nassariya in southern Iraq, where he believes Saddam's regime hid WMD.

"One is very close, Gaubatz remarked, “…within a couple of kilometers of the "Saddam Hospital"--that's what they called it at the time…They were sealing them up into the pipes. The primary stockpiles were [in] areas where you had the waterways. What they'd have to do, initially, was to drain the water in the areas. And then they would build the bunkers underneath. And then, put the water back over the bunkers, and no one from the outside could ever tell."

A number of reliable Iraqi sources led him to the sites. Gaubatz says that "ex-security officials in the area who were at the sites--police officers, military personnel, and just regular people in the city--they knew what was going on…And the people who were giving us that info, they were putting their life on the line, many times."

Gaubatz says that he passed this information along to his superiors, but no one ever came to check it out.

“They sent me there to find this stuff,” Gaubatz declared. “I located it--with not just one source, but with various credible sources---and then we're sitting back saying, ‘Well, when are you gonna come? When are you gonna come and exploit the site, and search the site?’“

Hoekstra says that he ran up against similar roadblocks in his push to have Saddam's documents released. Before changing course earlier this month, John Negroponte--the director of National Intelligence--had refused to release them. But why?

According to Hoekstra, “What we have here is, we've got a relationship or a recognition that some of the documents may embarrass some of our allies, because it will highlight the relationships that some of these governments or some of the people from these countries had with Iraq or had with Saddam Hussein.”

Just last week, the Pentagon released a report saying that two of the documents show that Russia passed along confidential details about the u.s. war plan to Saddam--and that Russia’s ambassador to Iraq gave Saddam information on u.s. troop movements. Russia denies these charges.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice says she will discuss the documents with Russian officials. But with more and more of them becoming available, it may not be her last awkward conversation with a so-called ally.

Vilepagan
04-01-2006, 01:14 PM
Before changing course earlier this month, John Negroponte--the director of National Intelligence--had refused to release them. But why?

According to Hoekstra, “What we have here is, we've got a relationship or a recognition that some of the documents may embarrass some of our allies, because it will highlight the relationships that some of these governments or some of the people from these countries had with Iraq or had with Saddam Hussein.”

Just last week, the Pentagon released a report saying that two of the documents show that Russia passed along confidential details about the u.s. war plan to Saddam--and that Russia’s ambassador to Iraq gave Saddam information on u.s. troop movements. Russia denies these charges.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice says she will discuss the documents with Russian officials. But with more and more of them becoming available, it may not be her last awkward conversation with a so-called ally.

I'm sorry, but I just can't buy this as a plausible reason why the Bush administration would have withheld this information for more than 3 years. If we had info on where WMD's were hidden in Iraq, or that they were moved, this administartion would have broadcast it on network TV, not kept it secret to avoid embarrassing the Russians.

sedan
04-01-2006, 01:47 PM
Erick Stakelbeck
CBN News Terror Analyst


Erick Stakelbeck is a correspondent and terrorism analyst for CBN's News.

Prior to joining CBN, he worked as a senior writer and analyst at the Investigative Project, a leading counterterrorism think tank in Washington, D.C. His articles on Islamic extremism, global terrorism and U.S. foreign policy have appeared in the Wall Street Journal Europe, Weekly Standard, Washington Times, New York Post, New York Sun, Jerusalem Post, and National Review Online, among other publications.

Erick has provided anlaysis for the Fox News Channel, CNN, MSNBC, Comcast, and British televison as well as several nationally syndicated talk radio programs. He has also served as a contributing editor for the popular political journal, Frontpage Magazine.com, and has written for several sports publications.

A Philadelphia native, Erick holds a B.A. in Secondary English Education from Holy Family University. He and his wife, Lori, live outside Washington, D.C.

http://www.700club.com/cbnnews/Staff/erick_stakelbeck.asp

Overdose
04-01-2006, 06:07 PM
The examples are very far-fetched and were from the 1990's. What makes that strange is that what Saddam may have been up to in the 90's is far different then what he could have been up to in 2003 prior to the invasion. What were the more recent examples? Oh, that's right they didn't go into them because I doubt there are any. If there were they'd mention them more-so then the one's in the 90's because it was closer to the time of the invasion. But let's go through the examples given...

One shows that in 1999, Saddam's son Uday called for a wave of suicide attacks against Western targets.
How does what Saddam's son think and feel affect how Saddam thinks and feels? And the last I heard there was huge problems with Saddam's family and the relationships they had with each other. Not to mention going to war for a statement his son made is pretty shitty evidence.

Another document states that in 1995, a representative of Saddam's regime met with Osama bin Laden in Sudan with Saddam's full approval.

During the meeting, bin Laden suggested that Iraq and al-Qaeda should carry out "joint operations against foreign forces" in Saudi Arabia. Eight months after this meeting, terrorists killed five u.s. military advisors in Riyadh. The terrorists claimed they had been trained by bin Laden.
So they met with Osama? Does that mean they agreed to fight against America together? No. This is all an assumption and you don't go to war on an assumption. We even funded Osama. Not to mention that this happened in 1995, 8 years prior to the invasion of Iraq. That seems like a bit out-dated and a non-issue that they met with him so long ago.

Strong evidence? I think not.

gmsisko1
04-01-2006, 10:48 PM
The President can choose to make things top secrete for as long as he wishes.

How many reccords did Saddam destroy?

We will find much much more just wait.




The examples are very far-fetched and were from the 1990's. What makes that strange is that what Saddam may have been up to in the 90's is far different then what he could have been up to in 2003 prior to the invasion. What were the more recent examples? Oh, that's right they didn't go into them because I doubt there are any. If there were they'd mention them more-so then the one's in the 90's because it was closer to the time of the invasion. But let's go through the examples given...


How does what Saddam's son think and feel affect how Saddam thinks and feels? And the last I heard there was huge problems with Saddam's family and the relationships they had with each other. Not to mention going to war for a statement his son made is pretty shitty evidence.


So they met with Osama? Does that mean they agreed to fight against America together? No. This is all an assumption and you don't go to war on an assumption. We even funded Osama. Not to mention that this happened in 1995, 8 years prior to the invasion of Iraq. That seems like a bit out-dated and a non-issue that they met with him so long ago.

Strong evidence? I think not.

gmsisko1
04-01-2006, 11:21 PM
Saddam had WMD's that is a fact.He used them on his own people.

The French, Japanese, British, and Russians all said he had WMD's.

Do you think he (Iraq) met with Al-Qaeda just to have a cup of tea?

Overdose
04-02-2006, 06:57 AM
The President can choose to make things top secrete for as long as he wishes.
If the President had any facts/examples to show Saddam had links to terrorism and had proof of the whole WMD ordeal he would release them ASAP to save his image. Don't kid yourself.

How many reccords did Saddam destroy?
You are only assuming those records would prove your point. Assumption isn't good enough.

Saddam had WMD's that is a fact.He used them on his own people.
Oh yeah, the WMD's we gave him. That's right, I forgot about that. Anyway, just because he had used them on his people previously does not mean he had them in 2003. The UN Inspections found NO weapons. Period.

Do you think he (Iraq) met with Al-Qaeda just to have a cup of tea?
Again, it was a long time ago. Almost a whole decade ago. I don't think you can use that as a logical argument.

gmsisko1
04-02-2006, 09:26 AM
Hey Yahoo

Once again, Saddam did a great job of making sure everyone thought he had WMD's.

Clinton, Blair, Russia, France, Japan all said he had WMD's.

Also, they did find serrin gas in Iraq. That can be a WMD.

Everyone thought he had WMD's.

Overdose
04-02-2006, 06:24 PM
Once again, Saddam did a great job of making sure everyone thought he had WMD's.
That's great. Does that justify an entire war?

Clinton, Blair, Russia, France, Japan all said he had WMD's.

Also, they did find serrin gas in Iraq. That can be a WMD.

Everyone thought he had WMD's.
1. It does not matter that so many people/countries thought Saddam had WMD's. It was Bush who pushed for this war and he was wrong. Everyone was wrong. But Bush is to blame since he was the one who pushed for this war and manipulated everyone into thinking Saddam had weapons.
2. The serrin gas was out-dated and abandoned. It was dated to the late 1980's when we gave him weapons. But the serrin gas was so out-dated it couldn't harm anyone. So, that does not count. Nice try.

kathaksung
04-02-2006, 06:36 PM
What would you call this? Saddam - US WMD link?

Trade in Chemical Arms Allowed Despite Their Use on Iranians, Kurds

By Michael Dobbs
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, December 30, 2002; Page A01

High on the Bush administration's list of justifications for war against Iraq are President Saddam Hussein's use of chemical weapons, nuclear and biological programs, and his contacts with international terrorists. What U.S. officials rarely acknowledge is that these offenses date back to a period when Hussein was seen in Washington as a valued ally.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A52241-2002Dec29&notFound=true

Freethinker
04-02-2006, 07:01 PM
Saddam had WMD's that is a fact.

Yes......he ****had**** them.

And they were SOLD TO HIM by U.S. chemical/biological companies, with the sanction of the Reagan/Bush Administration. And he used them against the Kurds.

He ****had**** (chemical and biological) WMDs quite a few years prior to 9/11, but by the time that event came to pass, they had expired and were worthless as weaponry.

The French, Japanese, British, and Russians all said he had WMD's.

And the French, Japanese, British, and Russians were being informed by their intel agancies that at the time Bush and company were claiming that --"Saddam has hundreds of tons of WMDs!!", his WMDs had gone out of date and were useless to him.

Oh...and one other little thing. He was not making threats against the U.S. in any way.

Do you think he (Iraq) met with Al-Qaeda just to have a cup of tea?

"He" (Saddam) never met with al Qaeda.......a "senior intelligence official" from Iraq (purportedly) met with them.

al Qaeda -it has been said- asked to be allowed to use bases inside Iraq..............and even THAT was not granted them.

gmsisko1
04-02-2006, 08:46 PM
The documents have already provided a clearer picture of Saddam's links to international terror.
One shows that in 1999, Saddam's son Uday called for a wave of suicide attacks against Western targets.

Overdose
04-02-2006, 09:22 PM
The documents have already provided a clearer picture of Saddam's links to international terror.
One shows that in 1999, Saddam's son Uday called for a wave of suicide attacks against Western targets.
What Saddam's son does/says should not affect how we view Saddam himself. And if you think we should attack an entire country based off of a wish his son had you're insane. I guess you don't understand the concept of war. War is a huge decision and shouldn't be made unless we are attacked first or unless we know for sure there is a threat. Iraq wasn't a threat and did not attack us what-so-ever. For Saddam's son to say he wants the West to be hurt does not constitute a serious and grave threat. Period. Not to mention he said that 4 years prior to the war, which makes it out-dated.

PS: All of your other points have been refuted. Care to debate them? Or do you agree they are worthless?

gmsisko1
04-04-2006, 08:10 AM
You didn't refute squat!!

Saddam did a great job making the world believe he had WMD's.

Clinton, Blait, the Japanese, the French,the Russians all said he had WMD's.

He used WMD's on his own people.

We found WMD's in Iraq. We found serrin gas in Iraq.



What Saddam's son does/says should not affect how we view Saddam himself. And if you think we should attack an entire country based off of a wish his son had you're insane. I guess you don't understand the concept of war. War is a huge decision and shouldn't be made unless we are attacked first or unless we know for sure there is a threat. Iraq wasn't a threat and did not attack us what-so-ever. For Saddam's son to say he wants the West to be hurt does not constitute a serious and grave threat. Period. Not to mention he said that 4 years prior to the war, which makes it out-dated.

PS: All of your other points have been refuted. Care to debate them? Or do you agree they are worthless?

Overdose
04-05-2006, 12:03 AM
You didn't refute squat!!

Saddam did a great job making the world believe he had WMD's.

Clinton, Blait, the Japanese, the French,the Russians all said he had WMD's.

He used WMD's on his own people.

We found WMD's in Iraq. We found serrin gas in Iraq.
Yes, I did refute "squat".

For your first point. That isn't sufficient proof that he actually had them it was just an assumption. You shouldn't go to war on the basis of an assumption. Period. And the UN found no weapons in Iraq. So we should go with what we know, not what we "think might be true" in a situation as serious as war.

For your second point. Clinton said he had WMD's in the late 90's when the most recent WMD inspection had not occured. You cannot blame him for saying something when all the facts were not found. And the other countries were being told by the United States that Saddam had weapons and were lied to at the UN by Colin Powell. Of course they are going to also say and think Saddam had weapons, we misled them.

For your third point. Tons of dictators use weapons against their own people and kill their own people. Why is that a reason for war and why would we pick Saddam when he wasn't the worst dictator by far? Also, how does it threaten the United States any? We should only go to war if we are attacked or if someone is planning to attack us. Iraq was not a threat, couldn't be a threat and wasn't planning on attacking us.

For your fourth point. That gas was found out to be from the late 80's and was said to not be useable. It was left and abandoned. Proving it wasn't a recent WMD and does not prove Saddam had WMD's prior to the war in 2003 what-so-ever since the weapon was from so long ago and not to mention useless.

paulc
04-12-2006, 05:26 PM
I think this was right first time round.If Saddam had WMDs,and they were found,the Defence Dept would have every news station in the world there LIVE.At the end of the day the Bush admin. lied to and scared the American people about Iraq.The scarey thing is,the American people belived him.

Freethinker
04-12-2006, 10:10 PM
We found WMD's in Iraq.


GUFFAW!!!!!

Quick!!....you'd better write your ReichWing heroes and tell them!!!!....they've already publicly admitted that there WEREN'T any in WMDs Iraq.

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http://english.people.com.cn/200410/07/eng20041007_159245.html

UPDATED: 08:55, October 08, 2004

US admits no WMDs in Iraq


The United States admitted on Wednesday that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) before the US-led invasion in March 2003, but President George W. Bush defended the war, saying "the path to safety is the path of action."

A report released on Wednesday by the chief US weapons inspector in Iraq concluded that Saddam had neither nuclear, chemical and biological weapons nor solid plans to build such weapons.

Charles Duelfer, the CIA special adviser who led the WMD hunt in Iraq, said he did not expect militarily significant WMD stocks were cached in the country.

He said Iraq's nuclear weapons program had deteriorated since the 1991 Gulf War, but Saddam did not abandon his nuclear ambitions. The latter part of the claim is an apparent effort to support Bush's argument that Saddam remained a threat despite no WMD was found in Iraq.

Duelfer's report of more than 1,000 pages included assessments based on FBI interrogations of Saddam. It said the former Iraqi leader intended to rebuild his weapons capabilities once UN sanctions were lifted.

Duelfer's findings seemed to largely reinforce the conclusions of his predecessor, David Kay, who said in January that "we were almost all wrong" on Saddam's weapons programs.

US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld acknowledged Monday that he has seen no "strong, hard evidence" linking Saddam with the al Qaeda network, adding intelligence about Iraq's WMDs was faulty.

paulc
04-13-2006, 11:18 AM
In other words,lets invade Iraq anyway.It will b a good training ground for Bushs real target Iran,but then again,thetve no WMDs either.The Defence Departments World tour continues.

kathaksung
04-13-2006, 05:54 PM
If Saddam had the WMD, why hadn't he used it on invaded US troops? For him that was his last struggle. He would be defeated and probably died.

Or he just play a trick on Bush: let him play hide and seek game?

paulc
04-13-2006, 06:08 PM
Im lucky then,cause I dont live in the feds juristiction,im glad to say I live in the free world.Real world.