my sister in law said something not long ago that made me step back and re-evaluate my life.

she works at a hospital in greenbrier county, where they are definantly over worked and under paid. as much as 8 days before having one day off at $6.10 an hour. she works in the maintenence department or the fancy word of "environmental services". basicly cleaning up shit, piss, vomit, blood and general cleaning. she was told by a doctor that, " without you NO ONE here would have a job."

so why do they pay so little? because it is an unskilled labor position. like digging ditches, flipping burgers, or collecting the garbage, or being a cashier. the government and upper echelon is NOT going to get you more money. they say, "get a better job, or get a better education." let's face it, a bunch of us just don't have what it takes for that, or we are ok with our job, but not the pay.

so we face our future of little to no retirement, little to no money for the rest of our lives, and we utter not a word, and keep on trudging along. why? comfort and a sense of powerlessness.
i saw in myself this same thing about the time my first child was born. i thought , "now i have to toe the line, and keep my mouth shut", and forget about my sense of freedom and my fellow man. we toe the line because of food, shelter, and clothes. and in this worry we become a collective consciousness of slaves. we stop depending on each other for survival for these basic needs. we see each other as a competitive enemy for scraps. we belittle our neighbor for not having the best, or trying for the best, instead of helping him.
we remain divided against the real enemy.

i was told once that civilization was based on 5 pillars, and i was never told what the main central pillar that held it all up. i believe now that one pillar is, us. man. humans.

why is there a civilization? common human survival? i think not. because every civilization to date is based on a hierarchy of some sort. and the top are those few who have the best and work the least. and we at the bottom are the ones who hold it all together. and we are told we are powerless. and made to believe it with the scraps we are allowed to have.

in the past the fight to overcome this problem has always led to war. and war, if we pay attention, merely "feeds the rich and buries the poor."

we at the bottom are not as powerless as we think. we now have the numbers. the trench that divides the rich and poor is becoming ever wider with an ever growing poor population with the rich remaining at the top but with very few in numbers. and we now have the internet. a worldwide communication network.
beginning now there will be a call for a worldwide strike. and with surprise on our side with the help of the internet, we can make the rich feel the power us poor really have.

once a month i will release a strike date. don't go to work. don't BUY anything. stay at home and play with your kids. hang out. relate to your loved ones.

this months date is march 29th. spread the word.

Well ...........go ahead and hire yourself ......another illegal alien.


Slim

Originally posted by slim
Well ...........go ahead and hire yourself ......another illegal alien.


Slim


this regards to them too slim. imagine a world full of poor people giving the rich man the finger once a month by not going to work, and NOT buying a damn thing. worldwide.

You are not serious about this ...if you are willing to game the system by allowing illegal aliens into the United States .......to ......unfairly and un freely work in direct contradiction and detriment..........to the American working man and woman.

Your sympathies lie more in communist idealism ....comrade ....than to benefit the American working man and woman.

Your post should be removed and placed into the comedy forum.


Slim

this months date is march 29th. spread the word.

Where are you getting this? Don't tell me you made it up...

Originally posted by Napsterbater
Where are you getting this? Don't tell me you made it up...

change can start with the most unknown person.

Good luck, dude.

Originally posted by ivan
so we face our future of little to no retirement, little to no money for the rest of our lives, and we utter not a word, and keep on trudging along. why? comfort and a sense of powerlessness.
i saw in myself this same thing about the time my first child was born. i thought , "now i have to toe the line, and keep my mouth shut", and forget about my sense of freedom and my fellow man. we toe the line because of food, shelter, and clothes.

I believe you answered your own thought. How many poor folk do you think will have the back bone to go along with this? How many do you think will be ready to risk losing their job? I agree with what your saying to a point but you've lost yourself if you feel the poor have power. If they did then they would not be poor any longer and they'd be hiring the toilet bowl scrubbers.

Ivan;

Just wondering how many{if any} folks have you met that changed with money? Lets say you had a bud that hung out with you had cook outs etc... now all of a sudden said bud has a new job that involves kissing arse. He kisses the arse of the horse that feeds him because that means he'll end up with a promotion and/or more $$$$. "money talks bull sh** walks!!". Americans for the most part are greedy and very selfish. The days of standing together are few and far between, it's the all new "it's all about me world" :(

Originally posted by mad dog
I agree with what your saying to a point but you've lost yourself if you feel the poor have power. If they did then they would not be poor any longer and they'd be hiring the toilet bowl scrubbers.

Everytime the poor united they proved they could change many things.
However, to unite people must have a common problem, a common goal, an ideal. "Screw the rich" may be funny but it is not enough. What positive ideal would you support with this "monthly strike", Ivan ?

Originally posted by astrapol2
Everytime the poor united they proved they could change many things.
However, to unite people must have a common problem, a common goal, an ideal. "Screw the rich" may be funny but it is not enough. What positive ideal would you support with this "monthly strike", Ivan ?

Astra, you've not been around these parts since the "kitten scandal" Welcome home :D

Originally posted by ivan
she was told by a doctor that, " without you NO ONE here would have a job."

Ivan, the idea of "nobody changes until you hit them in the pocketbook" seems like a way to get your desired result, what would a one day, once a month strike accomplish aside from getting you in trouble (or possibly fired) at work? I also wish to know that why you are "uniting the downtrodden" to what, raise wages or increase worker benefits? It changes per industry and tier of work. Leave the economists to handle that sort of forecasting, not the testy 'wage slave'. And to address your quote, she worked hard in order to keep the system running in optimal conditions, and got low wages, but why does she deserve more than that just because you say she works hard and keeps the whole place clean?

The tree roots are not the ones that bear the fruit. Also...

basicly cleaning up shit, piss, vomit, blood and general cleaning.

Euphemism-
The act or an example of substituting a mild, indirect, or vague term for one considered harsh, blunt, or offensive

Study this word carefully.

removing an incredible amount of people from the work space for one day world wide AND removing their money from it also. do the math. it does add up.

Originally posted by ivan
removing an incredible amount of people from the work space for one day world wide AND removing their money from it also. do the math. it does add up.

Okay, so now we've money drain on the economy and less people to do services for one day a month, but to what end?
Fighting 'the Man'?
Fighting for ethical treatment of the workers?
Fighting for better wages?

A ragtag group of random people small in number spread out around the globe, without a unified specific reason for their strike, and it only lasts one day, at varying times of the month, will not be very effective.

Originally posted by Evakian
Astra, you've not been around these parts since the "kitten scandal" Welcome home :D

I've posted a few things here and there but I have reduced my participation to allforums a lot. Like many other veteran members, I guess we all get a bit tired after having contributed to the same arguments for one or two years...

Ivan, I'm sure you already know these people, but in case you don't, join the Buy Nothing Day movement.

http://adbusters.org/metas/eco/bnd/

Originally posted by Napsterbater
http://adbusters.org/metas/eco/bnd/

From the website:

Buy Nothing Day 2005 was a huge, shop-free success.

It was?

Sure, if you know where to look for it. They are, of course, stating relative to last year.

keep in mind this is an uneducated guess.

but on average there about 3 billion working poor on the planet. maybe.

they each can spend roughly $4 a day when they go to work. transportation, food etc..

3 billion times $4

then multiply that answer by 12.

a lot of money kept out of the reach of greedy azz ceo's.

you either understand or not.

and if you want things to change in amerika, stop thinking like one.

Ivan there may be 3 billion low income workers but in America how many are there? Not even close to a 1/8 of a billion. Here is what I'm getting at we{US} may have the freedom to say screw work for the day, now go to a 3rd world country and try that ;)

Maybe the US poor spend that much, but the rest of the world assuredly does not, and whatever economic impact those people would have staying home one day is offset by the fact that their bosses wouldn't have to pay them for that day.

Plus the corps could right the day off on taxes as a loss and still make money :eek:

The one's that pay taxes, anyway.

yep, forgot about that

Corporations don't pay taxes. If they are charged a tax liability ..........it is passed on to their customers.


Slim

If you look at it that way, corporations don't pay anything, because it all gets either externalised or passed on to the consumer.

i guess youz guyz are realizing that no matter what you do the corporations with the help of the government will bend you over and drive it home anyway they can.

Originally posted by ivan
I guess youz guyz are realizing that no matter what you do the corporations with the help of the government will bend you over and drive it home anyway they can.

Exactly

Corporations are generally good .......I don't understand what you have against businesses and jobs.

Go out and make your own way in life ....if you don't want to work for someone else.


Slim

Originally posted by slim
Corporations are generally good .......I don't understand what you have against businesses and jobs.

Go out and make your own way in life ....if you don't want to work for someone else.


Slim

generally good? what planet do you live on?

the majority of corporations fight to make sure people do not have a livable wage, fight against protection of the environment, and only think about the bottom line. don't care about the environment? bad environment = sick people. non-living wage = welfare need, and more than likely, fighting, crime, etc..

i have no problem with corporations who are ethical and RESPONSIBLE. corporations who only care about the bottom line are encouraging sickness, lawlessness, and poverty.

there is abosolutlely no NEED for a CEO to make $30,000 more than his lowest paid worker.

I guess we just differ on this ...your ideology seems to be holding you back.

Go out and make a living for yourself then.


Slim

Originally posted by ivan
generally good? what planet do you live on?

:alien:

Originally posted by slim
Corporations are generally good .......I don't understand what you have against businesses and jobs.

Change that to a few, most are generally there to make big bucks they could give a sh** about the worker or even work for that matter. It sure would be funny to see how these so called great corps would be if we took away the workers rights?

Go out and make your own way in life ....if you don't want to work for someone else.

Have you tried to start a small business? It's not that easy, try owning a mom and pop store next to wally world.

I'm not saying small biss can't be done but if you carry the big name life sure is alot easier. If a corp comes to town the state seems to bend over backwards to help them if Johny Pop comes to town good luck.

Most corporations .........in my mind are good ............and ..........all offer a service that is wanted or they would go out of business.

You lefties go out and make your own way if you are so disappointed with them.



Slim

Most corporations .........in my mind are good ............and ..........all offer a service that is wanted or they would go out of business.

Sometimes their services are wanted, other times they are not. Witness the RIAA and their anti-consumer attitude. Another thing inherent in the design of the corporation is a tendancy to externalize costs as much as possible, making people other than those supporting them pay for them. Like when one dumps waste water into the river, forcing the entire state to deal with the consequences.

Originally posted by slim
You lefties go out and make your own way if you are so disappointed with them.

I think you needle on your record player is screwed it keeps skipping and saying the same thing over and over. :D

OH for those that don't know, a record is what us old farts use to have before all this modern sh**....

Originally posted by slim
all offer a service that is wanted or they would go out of business.

Horse crap they all force a product and bury us in there bull sh** advertising making us believe we can't live without there garbage.

Originally posted by mad dog
Horse crap they all force a product and bury us in there bull sh** advertising making us believe we can't live without there garbage.


exactamundo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

people are nothing but a bunch of mindless consumers. they don't think! no one needs all the bling bling bullshit advertised in every video people watch mindlessly, no one needs mikey dees, no one needs the newest car, the newest microwave, or all the general plastic sold in wally's world and touted as the be all to end all for your life.

WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So why'd you buy a computer and digital camera?

Originally posted by LionelHutz
So why'd you buy a computer and digital camera?

i didn't buy a comp, just a camera. the camera is HANDY for my photography and saves me a fortune in developing costs. your attempts to shame me don't work. i use what works and ignore the shite. i don't need to buy a comp. there are plenty of public access points for that.

there are SOME useful things in modern world, but not very many.

I didn't know that you Maddogg and Ivan ...........were such whimps .....forced to buy products you don't really want .......*L*.


Slim

we have these little things i like to call unions. they happen to have been around for a while. the problem with saying don't buy ANYTHING for the entire day is that those few people who decide to follow it, will just delay their shopping for another day. sales will just drop on one day and skyrocket the next. you said it yourself that without the people who clean this piss and the shit, the doctors cannot do their jobs. if you were successful in organizing a strike with these workers, you will shut down the hospitals for that day. everyone who is sick stays sick, everyone who is dying dies. that sounds like just what you are aiming to achieve. doesn't it? the way it do it is not to say 'don't by ANYTHING on this day,' but instead to cut something completely out of your everyday lifestyle.

Originally posted by slim
I didn't know that you Maddogg and Ivan ...........were such whimps .....forced to buy products you don't really want .......*L*.


Slim

Slim :( this is sad I thought you could come back with something better then this? I am a realist seeing is believing, do we really need a Mc D's on every corner a heated car seat, 15 TV's in a 3 person house, a dish washer for 2 people, etc etc etc..... I believe in the old ways{days} fix what you have until it is completely dead. Today is a throw away world with products being built that are junk to begain with. The big corps love the idea of sell sell sell it makes them more more more. Build junk and force people to buy more of said junk. Build something solid that can be fixed if needed, oooooops no money in that lets go back to bulding junk. Big corps are out for one thing and if you think it is for the buyer you really should check into the Betty Ford clinic.

I come back with the truth ....whether you like it or not ...........you two blame far too much on other entities.


Slim

Truth, what truth, you haven't said anything except, "start your own business". Write "something" then maybe we could have a debate on what you offer????

Truth, what truth, you haven't said anything except, "start your own business". Write "something" then maybe we could have a debate on what you offer????


slim's another rightwing crack job. probably got a lot of money and had a trust fund from daddy.

the difference between slim and myself is, when it gets down to the nitty gritty, i would sacrifice my life to save my fellow man and the earth. slim would sacrifice his fellow man and the earth for his lifestyle.

Difference between myself and you Ivan .....is that I have self motivation and I am not blaming anybody for my woes.

And yes ......you are correct about one thing ....I am not worried about the earth .......*L*.

Slim

Difference between myself and you Ivan .....is that I have self motivation and I am not blaming anybody for my woes.

Who said anybody was blaming their woes on others? we have simply pointed out the obvious

And yes ......you are correct about one thing ....I am not worried about the earth .......*L*.

Slim

:rolleyes:

If the USAF were to drop a b52 load of green cards over mexico,it would solve all problems

yeah, amerika can continue to have it's messes cleaned up, fruit and vegetables picked, and ditches dug for next to nothing.

ever see the movie, a day without a mexican? funny as hell.

General worldwide strike ?

A) A truly pathetic idea of the first order.
B) Something that will never happen - ever.