Feingold Calls for Bush's Censure
Wisconsin Democrat Asks Senate to Rebuke the President for NSA Wiretaps
By ED O'KEEFE ABC NEWS


March 12, 2006— In an exclusive interview on "This Week with George Stephanopoulos," Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold called on the Senate to publicly admonish President Bush for approving domestic wiretaps on American citizens without first seeking a legally required court order.

"This conduct is right in the strike zone of the concept of high crimes and misdemeanors," said Feingold, D-Wis., a three-term senator and potential presidential contender.

He said President Bush had, "openly and almost thumbing his nose at the American people," continued the NSA domestic wiretap program.

President Bush has long asserted that the so-called 'warrantless wiretaps' are an essential tool in the war on terror.

But in a copy of the censure resolution obtained by ABC News, Feingold asserts the president, "repeatedly misled the public prior to the public disclosure of the National Security Agency surveillance program by indicating his administration was relying on court orders to wiretap suspected terrorists inside the United States."

Feingold cites three instances over a year-long period in which Bush outlined the necessity of a court order or a judge's permission prior to a domestic wiretap of a U.S. citizen.

Rest of article (http://www.abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/Politics/story?id=1715495&page=1)

Amazing how many congressmen hate the constitution isn't it?

Bsh could be convicted using solely his own quotes...

I, for one, am proud to be represented in the Senate by Feingold. He takes principled positions regardless of the popular sentiment, and stands by them. Often in the course of time, he has been proven right.

Smart move by Russ.

The vote puts the republicans on record so the dems can hang yet another albatros around their necks in the '06 elections ...

and

It appears to be a signal that he will be running for president in '08.

Originally posted by Imagineer
I, for one, am proud to be represented in the Senate by Feingold. He takes principled positions regardless of the popular sentiment,
Yeah, like his stand against the first amendment in McCain/Feingold.

There are always some l;imits on free speech, such as the "Yelling fire in a crowded theater" example. What McCain Feingold tries to do is to equalize somewhat the amount of speech rich people can exercise with the amount the average citizen can exercise. Basicly it closes, partially, the loopholes in the campaign contribution limits passed after Watergate.
The Jack Abrahamoff scandal should be the best indicator that there is a problem. I don't limit this to Republicans either. Plenty of Democratic fund raisers and lobbyists are just as bad. We have the best government money can buy. I'm sure that was just what the writers of the Constitution had in mind.

msnbc poll on censure

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x647917

Polictical grandstanding at its best.

If russ was so concerned about his 'principled' position he'd be in court. Not trolling among the lunatic fringe for votes.

Russ is going to get them on record. That's the whole point and it's not grandstanding ... it's called politics.

This includes the dems BTW. Ask Joe Lieberman about the new rules for the dems that defect to the dark side and act like republicans.

His name is Ned Lamont.

I guarantee you the republicans aren't taking Feingold as lightly as you are.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Russ is going to get them on record. That's the whole point and it's not grandstanding ... it's called politics.

Originally posted by waldo
Polictical grandstanding at its best.

You get rolled by a wave this morning?

Anyone know why Feingold is going for censure instead of impeachment? If he's certain that a crime took place, why just censure?

Anyone know why Feingold is going for censure instead of impeachment? If he's certain that a crime took place, why just censure? Thats what I was just thinking...

Polictical grandstanding at its best.

"The poll was conducted by Zogby International, the highly-regarded non-partisan polling company. The poll interviewed 1,216 U.S. adults from January 9-12.

The poll found that 52% agreed with the statement:

"If President Bush wiretapped American citizens without the approval of a judge, do you agree or disagree that Congress should consider holding him accountable through impeachment."

43% disagreed, and 6% said they didn't know or declined to answer. The poll has a +/- 2.9% margin of error."If russ was so concerned about his 'principled' position he'd be in court. Not trolling among the lunatic fringe for votes. Yeah that 52% lunatic fringe...you're fucking dilusional...
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Originally posted by LionelHutz
Anyone know why Feingold is going for censure instead of impeachment? If he's certain that a crime took place, why just censure? He said it would be best for the country if Bush admitted to breaking the law and went back to following the FISA rules for wiretaps. Impeachment should be a last resort. Also there was something about how he was the only Democrat to vote against impeaching Clinton while voting in favor of the Republican resolution to censure him. You know, one of those 'principle' things.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Anyone know why Feingold is going for censure instead of impeachment?

The same reason the Feds were forced to go after Al Capone for tax evasion instead of murder, drugs, theft and racketeering.

On main screen, Queue high-schooler Johnny checking out a book at the library while pic-in-pic shows NSA snooping on Johnny and marking him down as a terrorist.

Voice comes in ... "Is NSA illegally snooping on you and your family? When I offered a censure bill against President Bush, my opponent opposed it saying it was alright for the government to spy on americans and interfer in our lives."

Voice fades -- screen turns black then changes to a scene with Montag using his blow torch on a pile of books with Johnny in background in a Gitmo-orange jumpsuit.

Voice comes back in ... "My name is Russ Feingold and I approve of this message."

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
"The poll was conducted by Zogby International, the highly-regarded non-partisan polling company. The poll interviewed 1,216 U.S. adults from January 9-12.

The poll found that 52% agreed with the statement:

"If President Bush wiretapped American citizens without the approval of a judge, do you agree or disagree that Congress should consider holding him accountable through impeachment."

43% disagreed, and 6% said they didn't know or declined to answer. The poll has a +/- 2.9% margin of error." Yeah that 52% lunatic fringe...you're fucking dilusional...
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Attempting to co-opt people who 'might' agree with your position, (depending on the hypothetical chosen) as part of your fantasy world?

(dop would probably want to know if you're getting lonely out there.)

Even his fellow democrats are running from this one.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060313/ap_on_go_co/feingold_censure

Originally posted by waldo


Even his fellow democrats are running from this one.



Dop isn't a democrat -- but nice try.

This is what you've bargained for ...

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0209/p01s02-uspo.html

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Dop isn't a democrat -- but nice try.

Carly Simon might be thinking of you but Russ's fellow democrats aren't thinking much of russ.

That's why you read the link, Carly.

Originally posted by waldo
(dop would probably want to know if you're getting lonely out there.)

Even his fellow democrats are running from this one.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060313...eingold_censure

ROTFL.

No surprise that those fucking gutless wonders, the Democratic Party operatives, are shrinking from making waves.

All good little conservafascists have to hang together. (to keep from hanging seperately.)

Originally posted by Freethinker
ROTFL.

No surprise that those fucking gutless wonders, the Democratic Party operatives, are shrinking from making waves.

All good little conservafascists have to hang together. (to keep from hanging seperately.)

Russ's move on closure is a referendum on democrats just as much as republicans -- possibly more so.

I haven't heard this much buzz from the progressives in a long time. The enthusiasm is overwhelming.

Russ just might be on to something -- he knows there is nothing to lose with the way the dems are at the moment, especially the DLC/DNC divide. Possibly he's looking at breaking away.

One thing for sure -- if Hillary wants the nomination, she had better start moving left and ditching the DLC.

Go Russ.

Originally posted by waldo
Carly Simon might be thinking of you but Russ's fellow democrats aren't thinking much of russ.

That's why you read the link, Carly.

Russ doesn't give a flying F*CK what his fellow dems think of him. You've completely missed the point (AGAIN).

Here ya go -- a referendum on the dems just like I promised.

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/14/feingold-accuses/

Go Russ

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Russ doesn't give a flying F*CK what his fellow dems think of him. You've completely missed the point (AGAIN).

One day you're telling us it's about putting the republicans on record.

The next day (after it becomes apparent censure is going nowhere) it's about putting democratsand republicans on record.

What's the story going to be tomorrow? :o

The lunatic fringe is excited? Who'd've thunk that would happen. That's been a pretty good indicator of future success hasn't it. Last time i checked they're still 0 fer.

Originally posted by waldo
The lunatic fringe is excited? Who'd've thunk that would happen. That's been a pretty good indicator of future success hasn't it. Last time i checked they're still 0 fer.

IMO, not only the *lunatic fringe*, but ANY group in this country expressing thoughts or policies one iota to the left of center will --for the foreseeable future-- remain ""0 fer"".

Sad, but true.

Originally posted by waldo
One day you're telling us it's about ...

Who is (are) us??? Are there more than one of you or do you have a mouse in your pocket?

Learn to speak for yourself.

'Us' would be all those of us who've written in thread as well as those viewing.
Did you think that i was the only one who could see or read what you've written?:rolleyes:

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
"The poll was conducted by Zogby International, the highly-regarded non-partisan polling company.

52% agreed with the statement:

43% disagreed,

6% said they didn't know or declined to answer.

But are they highly regarded by all 101% of Americans?

Originally posted by Brooks
But are they highly regarded by all 101% of Americans? Not sure if you're kidding, but this will happen when all three numbers get rounded up. An example would be 51.7 + 42.7 + 5.6 = 100, which becomes 52 + 43 + 6 = 101.

I know they do that and I can't stand it. I guess they figure most Americans can't grasp a decimal. Maybe they're right.

Impeachment should be a last resort. Yeah...just like war....

Attempting to co-opt people who 'might' agree with your position, (depending on the hypothetical chosen) as part of your fantasy world? (dop would probably want to know if you're getting lonely out there.) Even his fellow democrats are running from this one. You seem to think that Democrats and Republicans are in opposition to each other. As oppossed to the upper classes being against the lower ones. Get a grip, Campaign contributions cross party lines.

People say censure by 46% to 44%.

43% want bush impeached.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Poll_Americans_slightly_favor_plan_to_0316.html

Originally posted by sedan
Impeachment should be a last resort.

Oh, absolutely.

And all good Rightwingers no doubt wholeheartedly agree.

Impeachment should be reserved for acts of pure, unimaginable evil.......such as, getting a little strange pussy.

Acts like concocting a pack of lies in order to drag a nation into war should be rewarded with re-election.


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