Have we found it? The Turkish gov't won't allow anyone to personally go check it out. But this pic surely raises some suspisions......

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/araratanomaly1.jpg

What do you think?


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49203

If I'm not mistaken the picture you posted was taken in the 30's.

I didnt actualy go to the site you posted.

More recent pictures have been taken and the area circled has changed over time.
The pictures raise little suspicion and not to much effort is being made to search for Noah's arc.
I do know that scientist have searched the base of the mountain for wood and have talked to locals who have found pieces of wood that have been analyzed but nothing helpful.
I don't think wood from the time would be able to hold up for analysis.
Due in part to melting ice and so fourth.

I dont have any links of my own but I am sure other people on this site will have.

Originally posted by Decka
What do you think?

I think you should stop reading WorldNetDaily. :)

I also think that the story of Noah's ark is so fanciful at its root that there is no reason to suspect the vessel ever existed. Any search for this obviously fictional craft would be a colossal waste of time and resources.

"I dunno, we wanna git TWO of EVERY animal on ONE ark? Is there, Noah, more room?"


A kinda squished Noah: That's what I'm TRYIN' ta TELL ya!



:(

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Decka
[B]Have we found it?
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No.
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What do you think?
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I think that when the seas rose, appx: 400 ft., from the ice melts about 12,000 years ago that many areas were flooded.
Many islands and shorelines were covered with water that were previously inhabited.

Verbal, handed down, stories would have been told and retold.
Time, and exageration, made some of these stories bigger than life.

Add to this the fact that when an area received a major life changing flood, and world communication was impossible, one could easily have assumed that the entire world was flooded.

Originally posted by Inviolable
If I'm not mistaken the picture you posted was taken in the 30's.

I didnt actualy go to the site you posted.

More recent pictures have been taken and the area circled has changed over time.
The pictures raise little suspicion and not to much effort is being made to search for Noah's arc.
I do know that scientist have searched the base of the mountain for wood and have talked to locals who have found pieces of wood that have been analyzed but nothing helpful.
I don't think wood from the time would be able to hold up for analysis.
Due in part to melting ice and so fourth.


Actually. the photo was taken in 2003, and was just released.

Im not saying it IS noah's ark.. its just interesting to see if these things in the bible actually existed. It actually is said to be the right size.. according to the bible:

The anomaly remains ensconced in glacial ice at an altitude of 15,300 feet, and Taylor says the photos suggest its length-to-width ratio is close to 6:1, as indicated in the Book of Genesis.

... Of course the bible uses cubits.. which we don't EXACTLY know the length of. Some say 18 inches... but the cubits WERE in a 6 to 1 ratio, which is what this "Ararat Anomoly" is....

AND

I guess you'll think ive gone off the deep end on this one.. but ya never know:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/WheelHub2.jpg

This was found in the middle of the red sea... and supposedly could possibly be one of the egyptian wheel hubs that was crushed by water when Moses led his people across the red sea.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/10Commandments2.jpg

Here is what some divers have reported:

"I am 99.9 percent sure I picked up a chariot wheel," Peter Elmer tells WorldNetDaily after two diving trips to the Gulf of Aqaba branch of the sea. "It was covered in coral."

The 38-year-old forklift mechanic from Keynsham, England, traveled to the region with his brother, Mark, after being inspired by videos of explorers Ron Wyatt and Jonathan Gray, who have documented artifacts that in at least one case authorities have confirmed to be a chariot wheel dating to the time of the Exodus.

"I believe I actually sat in an ancient chariot cab," Elmer said, referring to his time exploring a submerged item in what he describes as an underwater scrapyard. "Without question, it is most definitely the remains of the Egyptian army."

Now... im not saying its ABSOLUTE truth.. but hey its a possibility. There are of course lots of people who say both stories aren't true.. as there always will be until a "smoking gun" can be revealed. I just find it interesting.

This "object" has been known for decades. Unfortunately, that part of Turkey is a rebel stronghold of sorts and it's a no-go for archaeologists.

It would be interesting if one could investigage, it would be even more interesting if it did turn out to be a ship. How did it get there?


Having said that, even if the "object" on Ararat IS a ship, I still out and out don't believe that the Arc story happened. There is no way some 30,000 feet of water covered the Earth and then have everything returned back to normal. THAT didn't happen, dammit.

Link on what Russian scientist found.
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/03/25/ararat.shtml


Link on what other scientist say they are going to do.
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Miscellaneous/Philosophy_Religion/Q_20977512.html

More Russian news.
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=45990

The complete run down.
http://www.noahsarksearch.com/porcher.htm

The Bible speaks in parables. It is highly unlikely an actual ark existed. Many of the stories, particularly Genesis, and arguably, the Jesus myth, were adapted from stories and myths that were themselves thousands of years old at the time.

Does that make Christianity useless? No. It just makes such searches as this one rather silly.

Silly to you perhaps Nap.

I wonder.

If the sillyness was proven to be Noah's acr, would you want to investigate the rest of the bible?

How can you prove it? Answer that first.

Hypothetically.

I guess you can say you cant give a correct responce with out knowing the facts.
But what fun would that be?

Noah's arc is an adult fairy tail, "IF" this ship did exist then I think Dan wrote the closest example of what might have happened

Hypothetically, you cannot prove it. There is no earthly way to. It is the same with all the Bible myths. Believe in Christianity all you want. Just don't expect me to support such silly claims.

Imagine one could 'prove' the Greek myths. Try and wrap that around your brain for a few minutes until the logical inconsistancies reduce it into a meaningless shamble. Absolute, incontrovertible proof that gods walked among men, and lived those fantastic lives. That is what you are asking here.

Would I want to investigate the Bible more if we could prove one story from it to be true? It isn't a lack of information that keeps me from answering, it's a lack of sense.

OK Nap, I get what you are saying.

Try this.

Just say for some reason the wood remaining from Noah's arc was fossilized some how. Petrified to such a large degree that it servived natures rath atop the mountian it is suppose to be sitting now.
The simple fact that it is there would boggle scientist until the end of time.

It wouldnt be the first scientific fluke to have been discovered.

Take Noahs arc and only Noahs arc.
Would you want to examine it more closely?

Don't have to go any further then Noahs arc, I am starting to believe if God himself popped up in your living room you still wouldnt believe in him.
So theres no point in looking any further then the arc.

The simple fact that it is there would boggle scientist until the end of time.

How do you figure? Scientists get boggled all the time. Where they and you differ is in how they would explain said event. A scientist would do so without crazy parables.

Flukes are found all the time. Sometimes they lead to new discoveries, most of the time they don't. What you won't find is science lending credence to an utterly unscientific text. Science doesn't care. It is purely interested in observing the natural world. Individual scientists might be interested. but science as a whole is not.

Would you want to examine it more closely?

I'll watch the History channel special.

I am starting to believe if God himself popped up in your living room you still wouldnt believe in him.

Again, explain how such an event could happen. You think there would be some Bruce Almighty moments with me testing God's power? You better believe it. If God can't be God, why should I believe that the idiot standing in front of me is Him?

Originally posted by mad dog
Noah's arc is an adult fairy tail, "IF" this ship did exist then I think Dan wrote the closest example of what might have happened

Right up until Heinric Schliemann made his discovery in the 1870's people said the same thing about the City of Troy.

Originally posted by Napsterbater
How do you figure? Scientists get boggled all the time. Where they and you differ is in how they would explain said event. A scientist would do so without crazy parables.

Flukes are found all the time. Sometimes they lead to new discoveries, most of the time they don't. What you won't find is science lending credence to an utterly unscientific text. Science doesn't care. It is purely interested in observing the natural world. Individual scientists might be interested. but science as a whole is not.



I'll watch the History channel special.



Again, explain how such an event could happen. You think there would be some Bruce Almighty moments with me testing God's power? You better believe it. If God can't be God, why should I believe that the idiot standing in front of me is Him?

lol I knew you would be more likely to call the cops then you would to accept him as God.

Oh well, I guess thats that.

Call the cops? Nah, such events don't happen often enough for me to consider them a nuisance. I'll give him a blanket, some supper, and hope all my shit isn't gone in the morning. That's all God really wants when he shows up at your door, isn't it?

Originally posted by Inviolable
Right up until Heinric Schliemann made his discovery in the 1870's people said the same thing about the City of Troy.


Troy didn't claim to house 2 of every living animal. My point is that one is possible while the other is a fairy tail. Like Dan said maybe this is a boat that helped to save a few{very few} animals. If Noahs little pile of logs did exist it would not be on the scale that the bible claims.

Originally posted by Decka
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/araratanomaly1.jpg
Aristotle said it is a sign of intelligence to be able to imagine how another thinks. However, I am at a loss to see how anyone could believe literally in the Noah's ark story, let alone cite that photograph as evidence for it.

Blob it's right there........look harder........no harder........can you see it............look harder.........okay just believe :)

Originally posted by mad dog
Blob it's right there........look harder........no harder........can you see it............look harder.........okay just believe :) YES! Now I see it!

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/2466/elvisonark1kt.jpg

Originally posted by Blob
YES! Now I see it!

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/2466/elvisonark1kt.jpg

Nice cut and paste....

i guess if you dont see anything.. then you dont see anything...

i do see something though.. i see either a weird looking mountain, or a ship covered up.

It looks less like a boat than this looks like a face:

http://www.space.com/images/mars_face_1976_small_03.jpg

It seems we humans fallaciously project order and design onto purposeless features in nature that happen to share a vague resemblance to everyday things.

im not saying it IS a boat.. it just bares a resemblence.. as does the face on the moon.

its up to us to find out for sure.

Originally posted by Decka
Nice cut and paste....

i guess if you dont see anything.. then you dont see anything...

i do see something though.. i see either a weird looking mountain, or a ship covered up.

I see Elvis was he 2nd in command on the Arc :). After all most farmers use music to relax their animals.

Have we found it? The Turkish gov't won't allow anyone to personally go check it out. But this pic surely raises some suspisions......

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/araratanomaly1.jpg

What do you think?


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49203

The truth is there never was a world flood, here are only some of the reasons.


1. there is no evidence in the polar glacier ice (40,000 years)
2. there is no evidence of silt on the ocean bottom core
3. there is no evidence on tree rings that date back over 10,000 years
4. the size of the ark simply was not large enough to accommodate all the animals, food & water
5. The ark was not structurally viable and sea worthy, it could not possibly have held itself together without metal strapping.
6. How did they manage to clean up after all those animal, they sheer quantity of waste must have been enormous
7. it was not physically possibly to get all the animals on the ark in one day.
8. how did all the animals get to Noah in the first place.
9. how did all the animal get back to their respective home lands, including the North America, Galapagos & Australia?
10. how did all the plants survive?
11. the earth’s climate would have been changed dramatically by the enormous amount of water & heated up
11. many animals required an incredibly specific diet, how did Noah manage that?
12. Now did Noah exercise all those animals?
13. How did all human diseases manage to survive when all humanity was apparently wiped off the face of the earth?
14. There is no mention of the flood in Egypt, how do you account for that?
15. it is extremely difficult to tell the gender of many species, can you imagine that task on the same day as loading all those animals?

The entire story is just too far fetch for any one but a mere child to accept to be anything but a fairy tale.

The chariots did not cross the Red Sea! There is a translation error in the bible that has never been corrected. The actual translation should be the REED SEA.

This is just one of hundred of errors in a book of mythology.



Actually. the photo was taken in 2003, and was just

released.

Im not saying it IS noah's ark.. its just interesting to see if these things in the bible actually existed. It actually is said to be the right size.. according to the bible:

The anomaly remains ensconced in glacial ice at an altitude of 15,300 feet, and Taylor says the photos suggest its length-to-width ratio is close to 6:1, as indicated in the Book of Genesis.

... Of course the bible uses cubits.. which we don't EXACTLY know the length of. Some say 18 inches... but the cubits WERE in a 6 to 1 ratio, which is what this "Ararat Anomoly" is....

AND

I guess you'll think ive gone off the deep end on this one.. but ya never know:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/WheelHub2.jpg

This was found in the middle of the red sea... and supposedly could possibly be one of the egyptian wheel hubs that was crushed by water when Moses led his people across the red sea.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/10Commandments2.jpg

Here is what some divers have reported:

"I am 99.9 percent sure I picked up a chariot wheel," Peter Elmer tells WorldNetDaily after two diving trips to the Gulf of Aqaba branch of the sea. "It was covered in coral."

The 38-year-old forklift mechanic from Keynsham, England, traveled to the region with his brother, Mark, after being inspired by videos of explorers Ron Wyatt and Jonathan Gray, who have documented artifacts that in at least one case authorities have confirmed to be a chariot wheel dating to the time of the Exodus.

"I believe I actually sat in an ancient chariot cab," Elmer said, referring to his time exploring a submerged item in what he describes as an underwater scrapyard. "Without question, it is most definitely the remains of the Egyptian army."

Now... im not saying its ABSOLUTE truth.. but hey its a possibility. There are of course lots of people who say both stories aren't true.. as there always will be until a "smoking gun" can be revealed. I just find it interesting.

Have we found it? The Turkish gov't won't allow anyone to personally go check it out. But this pic surely raises some suspisions......

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/araratanomaly1.jpg

What do you think?


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49203


This is possably the remains of a US spy battleship