In 1937, America outlawed "Marihuana" as a dangerous menace to society, claiming that "Marihuana" causes rape, murder, insanity and listening to jazz.

America legalized and taxed "Marihuana" in 1942 to support our troops during World War II. The parachute used by George Herbert Walker Bush when his bomber was shot down over the Pacific in 1942 was 100% legal American "Marihuana." George W. Bush was not born until 1946. Therefore, legal "Marihuana" has saved the lives of two US Presidents.
http://www.globalhemp.com/Archives/Government_Research/USDA/hemp_for_victory.shtml

Prove us wrong! Prove us wrong! Prove us wrong!
We hereby extend our $100,000 challenge to prove us wrong!

If all fossil fuels and their derivatives, as well as trees for paper and construction, were banned in order to save the planet, reverse the greenhouse effect and stop deforestation; then there is only one known annually renewable natural resource that is capable of providing the overall majority of the world's paper and textiles; meet all of the world's transportation, industrial and home energy needs, while simultaneously reducing pollution, rebuilding the soil and cleaning the atmosphere all at the same time... and that substance is the same one that has done it before . . . CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA!
http://www.jackherer.com

If America legalizes "Marihuana" again to support our troops, hemp will replace fossil fuels and nuclear power for the world's energy, and war for oil will end. Write to each member of the US Congress and tell them to reinstate the 1942 USDA program, HEMP FOR VICTORY.
http://www.house.gov/
http://www.senate.gov/

The logic is a bit asinine. Parachutes would have just been made of something else.

can we burn marijuana in our wood stoves for heat? Man what a happy little town that would be?

Yes, we could have made parachutes out of something else, and we did. We used silk, rayon, and other fibers. But we had to legalize "Marihuana" for one very good reason:

No other resource on Earth could provide so many different products on such a large scale in such a short amount of time.

As history stands, legal "Marihuana" saved George Bush's life and America. Without legal hemp, which our government calls "Marihuana," the US would not have had the necessary equipment to sustain WW2 until the development of the atomic bomb.

And yes, we can burn hemp in our stoves.

Hemp doesn't get anyone high. Hemp is the world's most useful natural resource. More than 80% of the "Marijuana" seized in raids each year by the FBI and DEA is nonpsychoactive hemp.

Consider the difference between these two scenarios:

The police find a crop of cannabis sativa and cut it down and burn it onsite.

Or.....

The growers of the cannabis pay a tax to our government to be a "Producer of Marihuana," they grow the crop legally, cut it down, ship it to an incinerator where it is burned as biomass fuel, the heat rises and boils water to steam, the steam rises and turns turbines which produce our electricity.

Which makes more sense?

Legalizing and using the world's most abundant and versatile natural resource, or building more prisons than schools while bombing the Middle East for oil?

Remember, America legalized "Marihuana" to support our troops during World War 2.

http://www.chaozation.com/politics/hemp/hempforvictory.htm

Mind you, I'm definitely in favor of legalizing marijuana. But I suspect hemp advocates would get more people to listen to their views on the wonders of hemp if they didn't have the obvious ulterior motive of wanted to get nicely baked.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Mind you, I'm definitely in favor of legalizing marijuana. But I suspect hemp advocates would get more people to listen to their views on the wonders of hemp if they didn't have the obvious ulterior motive of wanted to get nicely baked.

If we legalize the plant that you all know as marijuana, war for oil will end forever. Hemp, the male marijuana plant, can make all of our gasoline and electricity right here at home, without another small Iraqi child blown to Hell from our white phosphorous bombs.

What sane argument is there against this? Everyone will get high? America will be destroyed?

Was America destroyed the last time we legalized "Marihuana?" NO! Did people get high the last time we legalized "Marihuana?" YES!

America was not destroyed. America emerged from a 2-front World War as the world's number 1 economic and military superpower.

http://www.jackherer.com/chapter09.html

Originally posted by Marijuanifornia
And yes, we can burn hemp in our stoves.


Do you know what the BTU's would be compared to apple, pine, beach, etc...?

"Dried biomass has a heating value of 5000-8000 Btu/lb, with virtually no ash or sulfur produced during combustion. About 6% of contiguous United States land area put into cultivation for biomass could supply all current demands for oil and gas. And this production would not add any net carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. (Environmental Chemistry, Stanley E. Manahan, Willard Grant Press, 1984)"

-exerpted from 'Energy Farming In America' by Lynn Osburn

http://www.ratical.org/renewables/biomass.html

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/fact1_10.htm

OK, I'm convinced. Let's do it!

six percent of US land? I highly doubt that.

interesting thanks for the links.

Now on to the million dollar question do you think the government will ever go for it? After all we live in a place where the gov rules not the people.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Mind you, I'm definitely in favor of legalizing marijuana. But I suspect hemp advocates would get more people to listen to their views on the wonders of hemp if they didn't have the obvious ulterior motive of wanted to get nicely baked.


the thing is, if hemp is legalized for mass production there would be so much male hemp pollen in the air that any and all production of marijuana ( the kind you smoke, smoke hemp and all you'll get is a headache) for high quality stuff would have to be moved indoors.

high quality is no seeds. the plant going seedy makes the plant have less thc and people just hate popping those seeds out. and wasting money on seedy pot.

and anyone trying to breed for a high quality plant would have to move indoors due to the pollution effect of pollen from hemp. it would ruin their breeding strains.

one male hemp plant can possibly have it's pollen be carried in the wind for up to a mile. imagine if there is a whole shit load of them all over amerika?

Originally posted by Napsterbater
six percent of US land? I highly doubt that.
That sounds suspect to me, too.

Hemp and Marijuana are Cannabis Sativa. We are dealing with the same plant. You cannot legalize one without the other. Hemp is the male plant, "Marihuana" is the female. Both are needed to reproduce.

In 1916, the US Dept. of Agriculture reported in Bulletin #404, written by Lyster Dewey and Jason Merrill, that an acre of cannabis hemp can provide more than four times more paper than an acre of trees. Since hemp was outlawed as "Marihuana" in 1937, nearly half the forests on Earth have been cut down for paper and construction. Had "Marihuana" remained legal after World War II, most of those trees would still be standing, cleaning our air.

Hemp yields ten tons of biomass fuel per acre in as little as four months. At this rate, an area roughly 6% of US soil could supply all of America's gasoline and electricity each year completely independent of fossil fuels and nuclear power.
According to the World War II film, Hemp For Victory, at least 350,000 acres of "Marihuana" were authorized to be grown in the US. At ten tons of biomass fuel per acre, that would equal 3,500,000 tons of fuel. Today, that would be 3,500,000 tons of fuel we don't need to kill Iraqis for. In the southern regions of the US, from California to Florida, hemp can be grown year round.

When discussing "Marihuana," too many people automatically associate this with drug abuse. This is the mentality that first led to cannabis prohibition. Racism against Latinos and Blacks, exaggerations of the Demon Weed's grip on our youth and society, and other ridiculous nonsense was pumped through our majour newspapers for years, building up to cannabis prohibition in 1937, because of timber barons such as WR Hearst fearing hemp's potential to replace trees for paper. Through key members in the Treasury Dept., and the head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics spewing out anti-"Marihuana" garbage every chance he had, "Marihuana" was outlawed. To legally grow "Marihuana," one would have to purchase a Special Tax Stamp. To buy the stamp, that person would had to have had the "Marihuana" with them. If that person had the "Marihuana" without the stamp, they would be arrested as a vicious drug dealer. This included nonpsychoactive hemp. So any farmer coming into town with a crop of hemp, like his family had done for generations, would be arrested.

Land of the free? Because "Marihuana" was outlawed, and remains so to this day, the United States of America has more people in prison per capita than any other nation on Earth.
http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm

All the arguments that came out against "Marihuana" in the 30s are the same arguments our government uses now. All the arguments brought about against "Marihuana" were slapped down five years later in 1942, when the US Federal government began issuing the Special Tax Stamps to patriotic American farmers for the price of one dollar, which read "Producer of MARIHUANA."
The stamps didn't read, "Producer of HEMP," or "Producer of Cannabis Sativa."

"Producer of Marihuana."

See for yourself:
http://www.globalhemp.com/Archives/Government_Research/USDA/hemp_for_victory.shtml

The US Federal government legalized "Marihuana" to support the American troops during World War II. Society did not degrade into a mass of illiterate stoners. On the contrary, the United States came out of a World War, yet again, as the number 1 economic and military superpower.

And yet, "Marihuana" is just a dangerous gateway narcotic that kills children and perverts society?

Watch the "documentary" film titled, "Reefer Madness." See how "Marihuana" led good, normal American youth to prostitution and homicide. See how smoking "Marihuana" made people go crazy and murder and have sinful relations. Try to understand that this was attempted to be passed off as absolute truth.

Five years later, the US Federal government urged honest, hardworking American farmers throughout the heartland to grow "Marihuana" to support America's military and industries during World War II.

From the end of World War II, until copies were finally found in 1989 by independent researchers, every administration of the US Federal government denied the existence of the short film "Hemp For Victory." To this day, information on hemp is banned from public school textbooks. No history class can mention the fact that "Marihuana" saved George Bush's life, because "it would send the wrong message to kids."
The US Federal government, at the behest of a select group of overseers and investors in certain industries, have kept the full truth about this resource from the people as much as they possibly could. Because of the internet, all of the information you need or want is literally at your fingertips. If you want to find out who made "Marihuana" illegal and why, you can.

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/history/first12000/abel.htm

Since the end of World War II, the US has held the threat of nuclear annihilation over all the world for the sole sake of the military-industrial complex. Energy is needed to power the war machines. Fossil oil is the world's leading legal energy resource, because it can be controlled by a select few. Hemp, were it to be legal again, would replace all fossil fuels, while improving our societies, literally, from the ground, up. US tax dollars should be spent on levees and schools instead of prisons and war.

George Washington paid his taxes with pot plants.

http://www.jackherer.com

Originally posted by Marijuanifornia
At this rate, an area roughly the size of Delaware (6% of US soil) could supply all of America's gasoline and electricity each year completely independent of fossil fuels and nuclear power.
The state of Delaware has a total of 2489 square miles. The US has a total of 3,537,441 square miles. This means Delaware has less than 1/10 of 1% of US soil. It's little things like this that cause folks to doubt your other claims.

"Make the most of the hempseed, sow it everywhere."
President George Washington, 1794

http://www.kucinich.us/issues/hemp.php

Whatever the actual area of land needed to grow cannabis in order to sustain America's energy supply is currently unknown, due to cannabis' legal status.

One statistic that stands out is the amount of biomass fuel per acre produced by hemp. Ten tons per acre in four months. Calculate based on this the area of land needed, with 3 growing rotations each year, to supply all of America's energy without fossil fuels or nuclear power.

If it is more than the size of Delaware, or more than 6% of US soil, then so be it. We would not be bombing children for oil, we would not be building more prisons than schools, we would not be polluting our air, we would not be basing our lives around gas prices, and we would not have to deal with another Enron, George Bush, or Osama bin Laden.

The US Federal government legalized "Marihuana" to support the American military during World War II.

Originally posted by Marijuanifornia
Hemp and Marijuana are Cannabis Sativa. We are dealing with the same plant. You cannot legalize one without the other. Hemp is the male plant, "Marihuana" is the female. Both are needed to reproduce.

As I said before, the unfortunate reality is that politicians aren't going to listen to all of the good reasons for legalizing hemp because the people who are really passionate about legalizing hemp are mostly passionate about the side benefit of having marijuana legalized. Not that I have any problem with that, it's just reality. You need to find more non-potheads to advocate your position.

Originally posted by Marijuanifornia
that an acre of cannabis hemp can provide more than four times more paper than an acre of trees. Since hemp was outlawed as "Marihuana" in 1937, nearly half the forests on Earth have been cut down for paper and construction.

Minor point here, but just for the record, trees cut down for paper are replanted, just like hemp would be. It's a renewable resource, after all.

Half the forests on Earth have been cut down for paper only because cannabis was outlawed and this is a minour point? It only takes hemp four months to grow anywhere from twelve to twenty feet. How long does it take for a tree to grow twenty feet?

The older and larger the tree, the more CO2 it takes in. The more hemp is grown, the more CO2 is taken in. Had we been using hemp for our paper since the end of World War II, you would most likely not hear a thing about global warming. Under our current system, replanted trees do not take in enough CO2 to counter the pollution caused by the burning of fossil fuels. Mainly over the last 75 years, burning fossil fuels and clearcutting our forests has caused what is known as the Greenhouse Effect.

Did Americans get high when the US Federal government legalized cannabis during World War II? The answer is 'yes.' Was American society destroyed during World War II because of leftist stoner commie highschool dropouts? The answer is 'no.' Such will be the same case now.

Has anyone ever used hemp for building what is its strength?

I don't think hemp is the answer to everything but you have brought up some good points.

World hunger, global warming, economic inequality, war for oil, corporate hegemony and a myriad of other majour problems that we have to deal with can all be alleviated or solved outright just by legalizing the cannabis plant in the US. War has existed since before the dawn of human "civilization," despite cannabis being legal. Legalizing cannabis will not solve the problem of war in general. Humans are evil as well as good, and evil people will always wage war on whatever level they can, from shooting people in the face to shelling another country from two thousand miles away. However, legalizing cannabis hemp again can put an end to certain reasons for wars, such as war for oil. And getting high has absolutely nothing to do with any of this. As a resource, cannabis hemp can provide nearly every item in your household that is not glass or metal, domestically and cheaply and of much better quality, with the power and wealth of production in the hands of the general worldwide population. That is precisely the reason why cannabis hemp was outlawed as the vicious killer weed "Marihuana" in 1937. Marijuana was not outlawed to protect children from drugs. If it was, the US Federal government would not have been urging high school 4-H students to grow up to two acres each to support the US military during World War II.

As for hemp-based building materials, there is extensive history regarding this. Any number of searches can lead you to the information. Here is a good start:

http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=isochanvre

Originally posted by Marijuanifornia
World hunger, global warming, economic inequality, war for oil, corporate hegemony and a myriad of other majour problems that we have to deal with can all be alleviated or solved outright just by legalizing the cannabis plant in the US.
"World hunger"??? LOL - it sure didn't do anything for mine...

Sorry, dude, but I just don't buy it. If hemp is the cure to everything that ails us, then why haven't other countries jumped all over it?

M

Thanks again. I can see where it would do more good then harm, but I never felt it was all that big a problem in the 1st place.

I believe we can say DISS:



George DUBBYA Bush may well have given up drinkin' 'n drivin' after he suddenly discovered...




...POT holes in the road...



www. jokes about his cocaine use prob'ly only make Dubbya wanna... snort... .edu



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Originally posted by The Praetorian
"World hunger"??? LOL - it sure didn't do anything for mine...

Sorry, dude, but I just don't buy it. If hemp is the cure to everything that ails us, then why haven't other countries jumped all over it?

Hemp seed nutrition: http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=hempseed%20nutrition

Other countries using hemp: http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=hemp%20europe

It is now so easy to find any information you want, simply by typing three or four words and clicking a button.

Any combination of keywords or using different search engines will yield numerous sites.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hemp+asia

http://www.altavista.com/web/results?itag=ody&q=hemp&kgs=1&kls=0

http://www.dogpile.com/_1_92VTJE0F4N8HS__info.dogpl.iso2/search/web/hemp%2Bfor%2Bvictory/1/-/1/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/417/top

The most important fact to bring up when discussing cannabis legalization is that the US Federal government legalized and taxed "Marihuana" to support the American military during World War II.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hemp+for+victory

http://www.naihc.org

http://www.hemp.co.uk/

http://www.jackherer.com

http://www.hempworld.com

http://www.globalhemp.com

http://www.forarnoldssake.com

http://www.cannabisculture.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp

http://www.ganjaland.com/oil.htm

http://www.thehia.org/hempfacts.htm

http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm

http://www.archive.org/details/Hemp_for_victory_1942

http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=hemplands%20video

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=billion+dollar+crop

http://www.globalhemp.com/Archives/Government_Research/USDA/hemp_for_victory.shtml

Write to each member of the US Congress and tell them to reinstate the successful WWII USDA program, Hemp For Victory.

http://www.chaozation.com/politics/hemp/hempforvictory.htm

http://www.house.gov/
http://www.senate.gov/

I've been banned for life from the Sean Hannity forum for saying the following:

Eighty-two percent of all your money means that roughly 33 of every 40 hours you work goes to pay for the ultimate energy cost in the goods and services you purchase, including transportation, heating, cooking, lighting. Americans - 5% of world population - in our insatiable drive for greater "net worth" and "productivity," use 25-40% of the worlds' energy. The hidden cost to the environment cannot be measured.
Our current fossil energy sources also supply about 80% of the solid and airborne pollution which is quickly poisoning the environment of the planet. (See U.S. EPA report 1983-96 on the coming world catastrophe from carbon dioxide imbalance caused by burning fossil fuels). The best and cheapest substitute for these expensive and wasteful energy methods is not wind or solar panels, nuclear, geothermal and the like, but the evenly distributed light of the sun for growing biomass.
On a global scale, the plant that produces the most net biomass is hemp. It's the only annually renewable plant on Earth able to replace all fossil fuels.

http://www.jackherer.com/chapter09.html

Write to each member of the US Congress and tell them to reinstate the WWII USDA program, Hemp For Victory, that saved George Bush's life.

http://www.house.gov/
http://www.senate.gov/

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http://www.hannity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61676

No, you got banned for including the link to jackherer.com.

I've been banned for life from the Sean Hannity forum

Worse things could happen.............................

Posting a link to where you borrowed a quote is not prohibited in the Hannity.com forum rules. The rules say absolutely nothing about "promotional posting," nor was this a "promotional post." This ban was completely motivated by an inept moderator who could not handle losing a debate to a stoner, and a violation of everything the first Amendment is supposed to stand for.

However, worse things could happen and worse things continue to happen. The US is engaged in an illegal occupation of a sovereign nation started over lies and misinformation. Since the end of WWII, certain powers have manipulated the governments of the Middle East for control over the fossil energy resources beneath their land and subjugated the entire region's population for financial gain at the expense of lives, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Each of these scenarios can be alleviated or ceased simply by legalizing "Marihuana" again. But no one will ever know that because majour media networks will not air anything of actual substance or use to the American people.

http://www.benbagdikian.com

This ban was completely motivated by an inept moderator who could not handle losing a debate to a stoner, and a violation of everything the first Amendment is supposed to stand for.
The first Amendment doesn't apply when you're talking about the conversation in a privately owned and maintained website. You're free to curse all you want in public, but do it in a library, and you'll be asked to leave. And if not to add insult to injury, the library's a governmental building. Go figure, ay?

Ostensibly, Sean Hannity is all about freedom, so you would expect his website to adhere to the ideal. His complaint is valid.

And there is no place in the country you can expect to have truly free speech. Even on public streets, cops will arrest you for making unseemly protests.

No one should care about my being banned from any website, unless you tie this into the overall scheme of American popular media. Truthful information that threatens a select group of investors must not be allowed to reach the masses. This scheme has been in effect even before Hearst ran his lies about "demon weed" back in the 1920s and 30s.

In the twenty pages of responses that thread accumulated in only about four or five days, the number of people who read through it was over 2,400. Over TWO-THOUSAND people read it in less than a week. Had it been allowed to go on, even more people would have read it, and known something about the US that the controlling elite do not want them to know.

The majour media conglomerates operating in the US have made it a goal not to tell the voters what is actually important. That's why we have 600 channels of nothing worth watching, and "news" focuses on one missing pretty white girl instead of looking into the root causes of war.

News is a business, and they only want you to know what they want you to know. Five corporations control nearly everything that Americans see, hear, and read on a daily basis. More people can tell you who won American Idol than can tell where Australia is on a map. The people of the US have been dumbed down to nothing more than a consumer culture, through creative editing of public school textbooks and manipulation of other popular media.

http://www.benbagdikian.com

That's why no one knows that the US legalized "Marihuana" to support our troops during World War II.

"Can you imagine the kind of mass outrage if this type of stuff every really got out?"

http://www.chaozation.com/politics/hemp/hempforvictory.htm

Excellent read my friend,thank you.But y do you think Third World countries havnt tapped into this.

Mind you, I'm definitely in favor of legalizing marijuana. But I suspect hemp advocates would get more people to listen to their views on the wonders of hemp if they didn't have the obvious ulterior motive of wanted to get nicely baked.
Yeah........and, those that pushed/financed Prohibition (http://www.parascope.com/mx/hemp02.htm) were merely trying to save The Country's Soul. :thumbs:

Today......it'd be called The War against them, there terrorist-farmers (http://www.cannabis.com/untoldstory/pmpage1.shtml). :rolleyes:

If hemp is the cure to everything that ails us, then why haven't other countries jumped all over it?
You mean....like....CANADA (http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/substancontrol/hemp-chanvre/about-apropos/faq/index_e.html)?? :rolleyes:

Ostensibly, Sean Hannity is all about freedom.....
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah........the freedom to bullshit everyone (http://mediamatters.org/items/200603240004). :rolleyes:

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"Sean Hannity claimed that the current unemployment rate "is literally ... lower than the '70s, '80s, and '90s."

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah........the freedom to bullshit everyone (http://mediamatters.org/items/200603240004). :rolleyes:

"Sean Hannity claimed that the current unemployment rate "is literally ... lower than the '70s, '80s, and '90s."
What a stupid claim, Sham-man. Just because the LAST THREE YEARS of Clinton's term averaged in the 4's doesn't mean that Hannity lied to anyone, you moron.

Right now we're at 5%. The unemployment rate averaged about 7% in the 70's, and around 8% in the 80's. In the 90's, it was around 5.5%, and given the facts, that brings us to 2006. 5% baby - read it and weep. On average, we are at a lower percentage, and if your only ammunition lies in debasing a man with the aid of the Media Matters chumps, then so be it. It's a pathetic strawman, but whatever...

The unemployment rate averaged about 7% in the 70's, and around 8% in the 80's. In the 90's, it was around 5.5%, and given the facts, that brings us to 2006. 5% baby - read it and weep.

Hannity did not outright lie, but he DID make a very misleading statement.

Hannity misleadingly claimed that the current unemployment rate "is literally ... lower than the '70s, '80s, and '90s." But while the current unemployment rate is, in fact, lower than the average unemployment rate for the 1990s it is higher than in 1998, 1999, and 2000 -- the last three years before President George W. Bush took office

On average, we are at a lower percentage ...

Read THIS chart, THEN you can weep in earnest.

http://mediamatters.org/static/images/item/hannity-20060323-jobs.jpg

If this discussion is going into the realm of unemployment, I would like you all to consider the ramifications of the legalization of marijuana on our domestic industries.

Anyone with a backyard, a front yard, a closet, or even the homeless Vietnam vets living under bridges can produce "Marihuana," just like the US did to support our troops during WWII, thus giving them employment.

If larger farms are allowed to produce "Marihuana," just like the US did to support our troops during WWII, they would need even more ranchers and workers to plow and mind the fields, thus ensuring that even more people are given a job.

If you doubt that legalizing "Marihuana" can provide jobs for Americans, you are urged to watch the 14-minute WWII USDA film, Hemp For Victory, which explains how legalizing "Marihuana" can provide jobs for Americans.

http://www.globalhemp.com/Archives/Government_Research/USDA/hemp_for_victory.shtml

Not only does legalizing "Marihuana" again provide tens of thousands of different jobs for all Americans, but using cannabis hemp as a biomass fuel source would completely end the US' need to bomb the Middle East into submission for fossil energy resources.

http://www.jackherer.com

Grow HEMP for the WAR.

Not only does legalizing "Marihuana" again provide tens of thousands of different jobs for all Americans, but using cannabis hemp as a biomass fuel source would completely end the US' need to bomb the Middle East into submission for fossil energy resources.
How would we be able to grow enough hemp to power all the shit we need to power? Hemp, though useful, is hardly a miracle plant, and doesn't grow quite the way we'd need it to to depend on it as a biomass source. Far more likely would be something corn or grain based, probably ethanol or, my personal favorite, biodiesel.

Prove us wrong! Prove us wrong! Prove us wrong!
We hereby extend our $100,000 challenge to prove us wrong!

If all fossil fuels and their derivatives, as well as trees for paper and construction, were banned in order to save the planet, reverse the greenhouse effect and stop deforestation; then there is only one known annually renewable natural resource that is capable of providing the overall majority of the world's paper and textiles; meet all of the world's transportation, industrial and home energy needs, while simultaneously reducing pollution, rebuilding the soil and cleaning the atmosphere all at the same time... and that substance is the same one that has done it before . . . CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA!

http://www.jackherer.com

Not only does legalizing "Marihuana" again provide tens of thousands of different jobs for all Americans, but using cannabis hemp as a biomass fuel source would completely end the US' need to bomb the Middle East into submission for fossil energy resources.
Ok, lets see about your point on energy. You have made a lot of claims on the value of hemp for it's energy possibilities.

If you would be so kind, could you give me the cost to plant and harvest an acre of hemp (fertilizer, manpower, fuel for farm equipment etc...). If you don't have that information, could I assume that it would cost a similar amount to an acre of corn?

Second, what is the energy cost to produce biodesil from help through pyrolysis? I understand that the process requires the hemp to be heated to around 250 °C and subjected to pressure of about 600 pounds per sq inch for 15 minutes. Then the hydrocarbons and solid minerals need to be seperated. Then the hydrocarbons are heated to 500 °C then they are finally distilled in a manner similar to oil refining.

I could calculate it, but I imagine that using hemp to create gas is probably far more expensive than using crude oil.

If you still want to try and argue that hemp is a viable energy source, just let me know. Show me some sources for your information too, the ones that you've given so far are not very credible.

There is a book out called "ENERGY FARMING IN AMERICA" by Lynn Osburn that you may find at least somewhat credible. Also, there is the Popular Mechanics magazine article entitled, "BILLION-DOLLAR CROP" from 1938.

Millions of dollars are spent each year to make sure no one believes anything good can come from the legalization of cannabis sativa, as seems to be the case here. Don't concern yourself with the monetary cost of using hemp for our energy. Instead, concern yourself with the fact that we would not be killing children in Iraq so Dick Cheney can increase his stock portfolio.

It is true that fossil oil is more easily converted into gasoline. However, when you add in the cost of environmental degredation, corporate hegemony, the Greenhouse Effect, hundreds of thousands of massacred children, and an "endless, global war" for oil, you should be able to see the folly of our current system. The Trilateral Commission does not care about you, so why should you try to defend their business practices?

On a global scale, the cannabis hemp plant is the only resource able to replace all fossil fuels WHILE reversing the Greenhouse Effect at the same time. THAT is why this plant is so important. Corn will not do as much as hemp to repair the ecological damage caused by the last 70 years of industrialization. Cannabis Hemp, used for energy and paper, will remove the two main reasons for the Greenhouse Effect.

Please consider why you were never told anything about the history of hemp in America in all your years in public schools. From the time of Columbus, and for thousands of years before that, until hemp was outlawed as "Marihuana" in 1937, cannabis sativa was the world's largest industry. We were never told this because "it would send the wrong message to kids." Drugs are bad, and marijuana is the worst drug of all, and that is all you are allowed to know.

At no point was there any mention of the US Federal government legalizing and harvesting over one million acres of "Marihuana" in order to stop Hitler. Why is that? "Marihuana" saved George Bush Sr.'s life the same year it was legalized, but not one mention of that in the last 60 years? It's not like this was some minour campaign in some small midwestern state. Over one million acres of "Marihuana" were legally grown from 1942 until 1945, and "Marihuana" was grown yet again for our military during the Korean conflict. The Special Tax Stamps issued during these periods did not read, "Producer of Hemp," or "Producer of Cannabis Sativa," or even "Producer of Demon Weed."

The Special Tax Stamps issued to patriotic American farmers read, "Producer of Marihuana."

Any citizen of the United States could pay a tax of only one dollar to legally grow a plant that only five years earlier was called "the worst drug menace in the history of mankind."

We can try to denounce hemp and marijuana all we want, but "Marihuana" stopped Hitler, and "Marihuana" will stop Bush and bin Laden, too.

ZZZZzzzzzzzz....

Millions of dollars are spent each year to make sure no one believes anything good can come from the legalization of cannabis sativa, as seems to be the case here.
This is not true, millions are spent on the prevention of it's use. They do not spend that money to suppress cannabis research.

Don't concern yourself with the monetary cost of using hemp for our energy.
This is the primary reason for deciding on if it is a viable alternate energy source.

Instead, concern yourself with the fact that we would not be killing children in Iraq so Dick Cheney can increase his stock portfolio.
The 'war for oil' argument may have a few valid points, but it is not the major reason we went to war. Dick Cheney is not killing kids, directly or indirectly.

It is true that fossil oil is more easily converted into gasoline. However, when you add in the cost of environmental degredation, corporate hegemony, the Greenhouse Effect, hundreds of thousands of massacred children, and an "endless, global war" for oil, you should be able to see the folly of our current system.
1. Energy derived from hemp would have the same environmental problems.
2. Corporate hegemony exists in non-oil related markets. It could easily occur in a hemp market as well.
3. Give me a source for the 'hundreds of thousands of massacred children'
4. If you believe that oil is the cause of the war, then we could just as easily create a war against another country that had obtained high levels of oil from hemp production.

On a global scale, the cannabis hemp plant is the only resource able to replace all fossil fuels WHILE reversing the Greenhouse Effect at the same time. THAT is why this plant is so important.
Burning the gas produced from hemp would pollute our atmosphere as well.

Corn will not do as much as hemp to repair the ecological damage caused by the last 70 years of industrialization.
Why? Does hemp absorb more pollution or more CO2? Can you get me a source for that?

If I were to continue to argue with an idiot, after a while, no one could tell the difference between you and I.

You want a source? THE US DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE. Don't argue with me. Argue with the US Federal government.

USDA Bulletin #404, 1916. USDA film, HEMP FOR VICTORY, 1942.

Look the shit up for yourself. Click on the attachment below:

If I were to continue to argue with an idiot, after a while, no one could tell the difference between you and I.
Wow, was that an attempt at an insult?

If you were trying to sound smart, you failed.

You want a source? THE US DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE. Don't argue with me. Argue with the US Federal government.
Yes I do want sources for the crap that you've been spewing. The dept of agriculture doesn't support all those 'facts' you've been giving us.


Look the shit up for yourself. Click on the attachment below:
If I was making claims, I would be looking the stuff up first. Apparently you'd rather make the claims up and then search for something to support it.

...and your attachment is supposed to prove something?...

Burning the gas produced from hemp would pollute our atmosphere as well.

Why? Does hemp absorb more pollution or more CO2? Can you get me a source for that?
Actually, any biomass burnt has a net effect of zero on carbon dioxide levels. That's because the carbon in fossil fuels has been trapped below the surface of the Earth for millenia, but the carbon in plants is part of the carbon cycle and would turn to carbon dioxide anyway. As for other concerns about burning things such as carbon monoxide, those still exist, but sulfur dioxide, at least, is not present in hemp, to my knowledge.

Actually, any biomass burnt has a net effect of zero on carbon dioxide levels. That's because the carbon in fossil fuels has been trapped below the surface of the Earth for millenia, but the carbon in plants is part of the carbon cycle and would turn to carbon dioxide anyway. As for other concerns about burning things such as carbon monoxide, those still exist, but sulfur dioxide, at least, is not present in hemp, to my knowledge.

True, and good point.

That line about absorbing C02 was supposed to be sarcasm - my response was to Marijuanifornia's claim that corn would not be as effective as hemp (in regards to fuel) for restoring the damage done by industrialization. I was wondering if he had anything to back that claim.

"Yes I do want sources for the crap that you've been spewing. The dept of agriculture doesn't support all those 'facts' you've been giving us."

The US Department of Agriculture IS the source:

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE
=BULLETIN No. 404=
Contribution from the Bureau of Plant Industry WM. A. TAYLOR, Chief
[Illustration: USDA crests flanking bulletin banner]

Washington, D.C.
PROFESSIONAL PAPER
October 14, 1916

HEMP HURDS AS PAPER-MAKING MATERIAL.
By LYSTER H. DEWEY, _Botanist in Charge of Fiber-Plant Investigations_,
and JASON L. MERRILL, _Paper-Plant Chemist, Paper-Plant Investigations_.

http://www.gutenberg.org/catalog/world/readfile?fk_files=223410&pageno=1
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Five years after "MARIHUANA" was outlawed, the USDA urged American farmers to grow "MARIHUANA" to support our troops. Here is a sample of the narration by Lee D. Vickers from the 1942 US Department of Agriculture film, HEMP FOR VICTORY:

"This is hemp seed. Be careful how you use it. For to grow hemp legally you must have a federal registration and tax stamp. This is provided for in your contract. Ask your county agent about it. Don't forget."
http://www.chaozation.com/politics/hemp/HFV_video.htm
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Aside from the USDA, there was also a particularly informative article from Popular Mechanics magazine in 1938 which said the following:

"NEW BILLION-DOLLAR CROP"
American farmers are promised new cash crop with an annual value of several hundred million dollars, all because a machine has been invented which solves a problem more than 6,000 years old. It is hemp, a crop that will not compete with other American products. Instead, it will displace imports of raw material and manufactured products produced by underpaid coolie and peasant labor and it will provide thousands of jobs for American workers throughout the land. The machine which makes this possible is designed for removing the fiber-bearing cortex from the rest of the stalk, making hemp fiber available for use without a prohibitive amount of human labor. Hemp is the standard fiber of the world. It has great tensile strength and durability. It is used to produce more than 5,000 textile products, ranging from rope to fine laces, and the woody "hurds" remaining after the fiber has been removed contains more than seventy-seven per cent cellulose, and can be used to produce more than 25,000 products, ranging from dynamite to Cellophane.
http://www.jackherer.com/popmech.html
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What does the attachment prove?

The attachment proves that the US Federal government legalized, taxed and regulated the "MARIHUANA" industry in the United States of America without deteriorating our social values or military prowess.

In fact, legalizing "MARIHUANA" enabled the US to pull out of the Great Depression, defeat an Axis of Evil, and emerge from a World War as the Earth's number one economic and military superpower.

With the advances in agricultural technology we have experienced since then, we can accomplish even more with legal "MARIHUANA" now.

I never argued against the use of hemp. I actually support legalizing (and heavily taxing) it. I already know that the US used it and it helped our economy before, and you keep acting like I'm arguing against that.

The things that I'm arguing against are your wild claims, like the effective use of hemp as a replacement for oil, and the ones below:

-Instead, concern yourself with the fact that we would not be killing children in Iraq so Dick Cheney can increase his stock portfolio.

-[Oil causes] environmental degredation, corporate hegemony, the Greenhouse Effect, hundreds of thousands of massacred children, and an "endless, global war" for oil.

-[Hemp is] the world's most abundant and versatile natural resource

-About 6% of contiguous United States land area put into cultivation for biomass could supply all current demands for oil and gas.

Actually, you did answer that last one -
Whatever the actual area of land needed to grow cannabis in order to sustain America's energy supply is currently unknown, due to cannabis' legal status.

US trade embargos against Iraq resulted in the deaths of over 500,000 Iraqi children. Therefore, people like Cheney set the conditions that caused hundreds of thousands of dead children in Iraq.
Cheney has made most of his money from the oil industry. When the source of our energy is not controlled by a handful of industrialists, like Cheney, Bush, bin Laden and the House of Saud, we won't have people like Cheney, Bush or bin Laden in positions of power.

"Each acre of hemp would yield 1,000 gallons of methanol. Fuels from hemp, along with the recycling of paper, etc., would be enough to run American virtually without oil."
http://www.jackherer.com/chapter09.html

There is a very good reason why cannabis hemp was the world's largest industry for the entire span of human history until 1937. Hemp can grow in any climate all over the world, thus making hemp the world's most abundant resource... and it will be again if the US would not direct it's economic and military power to suppressing hemp all over the world. The US Federal government in 1990 used the US Army to attack US citizens in Humboldt County, CA in a marijuana raid known as Operation Green Sweep.

How do we, the people, tolerate anything like this? The US Federal government ordered the US Army to attack US citizens for growing the same plant that the US Federal government legalized and taxed to support the US military during World War II.

So much of our information is filtered through popular media which does not even belong to the public anymore. 5 corporations control nearly everything that we, the people, read, hear and see on a daily basis. There is so much information about hemp, but until Sean Hannity says it on FOX News, it must not be true, right?
http://www.benbagdikian.com

We cannot know for certain how much can be accomplished by using hemp with the technology we have now because the policy of "Just Say No" has been in effect since the late 1930s.... except during World War II and Korea. When the US Federal government needed the world's most abundant and versatile resource to aid it's military, the US Federal government allowed high school 4-H students to grow up to two acres of "Marihuana" each to support the war effort, just five years after saying that "Marihuana" had to be outlawed because it turned teenagers into axe-wielding psychopaths.
http://www.redhousebooks.com/galleries/assassin.htm

"Marihuana" made the rigging of the parachute that saved George HW Bush's life during World War II.

Ford built a plastic car out of "Marihuana" in 1941.
http://www.chaozation.com/politics/hemp/FordHemp.htm

"Marihuana" can make virtually everything at Wal-Mart that isn't glass or metal, even the building itself.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=isochanvre

Hemp, also known to the US Federal government as "Marihuana," is the world's most abundant and most versatile annually-renewable natural resource. Hemp, or "Marihuana," can make medicine, clothing and textiles, plastic, paper, construction materials, paint, dynamite, and damn near anything else that isn't glass or metal. These aren't "my" claims.
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/fact1_10.htm

You can choose to accept that every Administration, both Democrat and Republican, of the US Federal government has lied to you about "Marihuana" for the last 60 years, or you can keep voting for one of two puppets of the Trilateral Commission and OPEC.

US trade embargos against Iraq resulted in the deaths of over 500,000 Iraqi children. Therefore, people like Cheney set the conditions that caused hundreds of thousands of dead children in Iraq.
US trade embargos were created against Iraq because Iraq had become a dictatorship and was supressing/killing their people, along with invading other countries. These embargos may have resulted in the deaths of many people (not only children). Now look at what you posted earlier:
Concern yourself with the fact that we would not be killing children in Iraq so Dick Cheney can increase his stock portfolio.
First of all, Dick Cheney did NOT create those embargos.
Secondly, the embargos were not related to oil; so the 'hundreds of thousands' of children did not die because of oil.

"Each acre of hemp would yield 1,000 gallons of methanol. Fuels from hemp, along with the recycling of paper, etc., would be enough to run American virtually without oil."
We could run the country on windpower, or solarpower too. You know why we don't? Because it's not economical.

Hemp, also known to the US Federal government as "Marihuana," is the world's most abundant and most versatile annually-renewable natural resource.
Whether it's the most versatile natural resource is debatable, however hemp is NOT the most abundant natural resource. I don't know where you got that idea.

Delaware alone cannot supply all of America's gasoline and electricity. Delaware alone can supply all of Delaware's gasoline and electricity, though, for a shitload less than 3.16 per gallon. California can supply all of California's gasoline and electricity. Texas can supply all of Texas' gasoline and electricity. Florida can supply all of Florida's gasoline and electricity. Nowhere in any of these equations does Iraq, Saudi Arabia, bin Laden, Cheney, OPEC, or Bush come into play.

All we need to do is grow HEMP for the war, just like we did during World War II. Hussein would not have been a problem if the US was not keeping him in power as a compliant puppet for the last 20 years.

We, the people, can negate all of these war criminals just by legalizing "Marihuana."

The US Federal government legalized "Marihuana" to support our troops during World War II.

"Marihuana" made the rigging of the parachute used by George Herbert Walker Bush when his bomber was shot down in 1942. George W. Bush was not born until 1946.

Legalizing "Marihuana" has saved the lives of two US Presidents.

Whose life will be saved when we legalize "Marihuana" to support our troops now?

"Marihuana" made the rigging of the parachute used by George Herbert Walker Bush when his bomber was shot down in 1942. George W. Bush was not born until 1946.

Legalizing "Marihuana" has saved the lives of two US Presidents.
Damn, I knew someone someday would come up with a good reason why it should be ILLEGAL and those are two of the best reasons I've ever heard!!!!!!!

"By using a renewable resource, the hemp industry has the potential to help move our economy in a direction that is more sustainable and more socially and environmentally responsible. Since hemp grows well in most climates and offers amazing product versatility, it has the potential to stimulate commercial activity that benefits both humans and the ecology."
http://www.kucinich.us/issues/hemp.php

http://www.chaozation.com/politics/hemp/HFV_video.htm

Yeah, this is getting old.