Havn't heard much about the guy who killed 9 people at North Carolina because he wanted to "avenge the deaths of Muslims around the world."

He also went on to say he wanted to "punish the government of the United States for their actions around the world." and that he is "thankful for the opportunity to spread the will of Allah."

I guess other religions get a free pass.. but when some wacko christian like Pat Robertson says something out of line its all over the front pages... but when muslims kill people noone cares.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/06/AR2006030601435.html

If this were the 40's ...........and ............we were at war ......this guy would already be at Guantanamo (or its early century equivalent) ....and would be facing death .....for being the enemy out of uniform.


Slim

Here's why, Decka. He didn't kill nine people. Read the article more carefully next time. Your agenda is painfully obvious here. You, too, slim.

Hell, he didn't even seriously injure anyone.

Can you believe these lefties are apologists for the guy ....*L*.

You make him out to sound like he is a cupcake.


Slim

Heh heh, your agenda is further exposed. Honestly, do you care for facts at all?

Your the one who should be embarassed ....for sticking up for the no good foriegn agent.


Slim

Foreign agent...

The article clearly stated he had no terrorist ties.

Facts, slim. I will ask you again. Do you care at all for them?

Well, to clarify, no one is accusing him of it.

Why do you, slim?

Originally posted by Napsterbater
Foreign agent...

The article clearly stated he had no terrorist ties.
He drove his car into people for his own warped reasons. If he had used a bomb, he would actually BE a terrorist (that's even better than mere "ties"). I don't think the fact that he used a car changes what his actions connote - terrorism.

Why the sparse coverage? Dog bites man.

Originally posted by slim
Can you believe these lefties are apologists for the guy ....*L*.

You make him out to sound like he is a cupcake.


Slim

Slim, if you want to laugh at someone, laugh at yourself for supporting a highly misleading, if not deliberately falsified premise. BTW, nobody here as written anything remotely apologizing for this guy's behavior. All Napster did was correctly point out the gross indifference to the truth in Decka's post, and you attacked him for it. Sorta makes you look like a fool.

You and Decka do have another thing in common though, and perhaps that's why you like his posts. You both twist the truth into an unrecognizeable mass when you pick the titles of your threads.

Originally posted by Brooks
He drove his car into people for his own warped reasons. If he had used a bomb, he would actually BE a terrorist (that's even better than mere "ties"). I don't think the fact that he used a car changes what his actions connote - terrorism.

I think we might be a little to anxious to apply the "terrorist" label in this country at the moment. I'd say his actions denote insanity more than terrorism.


Why the sparse coverage? Dog bites man.

Indeed.

He drove his car into people for his own warped reasons. If he had used a bomb, he would actually BE a terrorist (that's even better than mere "ties"). I don't think the fact that he used a car changes what his actions connote - terrorism.

Well now, that would depend on what we actually mean by the term, terrorism. Is it just spreading fear and hate? Or is it something more, a blatant disregard for human life and a willingness to go to lengths to perpetuate it? Simply getting into a car and driving like a madman just proves that he is a madman, not that he is a brainwashed psychopath. Do we really need to root every nut out there out and charge them as terrorists? I think this is just getting special treatment because he is a Muslim, and getting tarred with that brush.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
I think we might be a little to anxious to apply the "terrorist" label in this country at the moment. I'd say his actions denote insanity more than terrorism.
I agree with this. However, I would expand this and say our country is too anxious with labels on most things. Such as "hate crimes", or "terrorist activities". Not much difference between the two, IMO. Intentionally hurting someone who has done you no harm, whatever your motives, is simply a crime. I dont need a label on it to identify that it is wrong.

There are differing categories of wrongs, Havok. The labels are what help us to apply reasonable punishment for crimes. It wouldn't do to just lock everybody up and throw away the key.

The big difference between hate crimes and terrorist activities is one of organization. Organized crime is much worse, and needs to be treated differently than crimes of passion.

You guys are freaking nuts .........the guy is from Iran .....and ...has clearly stated he was defending the Islamic nation.

He chose to willfully kill people .......without success ......to defend his Islamic brotherhood.

This action was careful and calculated to do as much damage as possible ......in the name of defending Islamo Fascism ........and you want to let him off on an insanity plea .........?????

Geesh ....!! No wonder we are in such trouble in this country .........the pampered masses still don't get it.


Slim

Oh, please! He was a nut who didn't have it in him to choose effective means to carry out his mean-spirited retribution. It was about as careful and calculated as an earthquake.

Let him rot for ten years in prison, then see what he does. Maybe sucking a few dicks will straighten him out.

And until you can argue successfully what is all the 'trouble' we are in as a country, the 'pampered masses' will be just fine.

Originally posted by Napsterbater
Well now, that would depend on what we actually mean by the term, terrorism....Simply getting into a car and driving like a madman just proves that he is a madman
Saying he may simply be a madman suggests that terrorists aren't madmen. They are, aren't they?

There has been an ongoing debate on these threads about the definition of terrorism. Among the few traits we all seem to agree on are attacking civilians, creating fear and using the incident to publicize their political agenda.

The driver said he was "thankful for the opportunity to spread the will of Allah." and intentionally hit people to "avenge the deaths of Muslims around the world." Also, he said he wanted to "punish the government of the United States for their actions around the world."

This seems to fit the bill.

Originally posted by Decka
Havn't heard much about the guy who killed 9 people at North Carolina because he wanted to "avenge the deaths of Muslims around the world." .......I guess other religions get a free pass.. but when some wacko christian like Pat Robertson says something out of line its all over the front pages............. but when muslims kill people noone cares.


Yeah, I know what you mean.

I mean ...geepers!!!.....the story was universally ignored by the Media!!!

Well, except for Newsweek.

And NBC.

And Forbes.

And All Headline News

And the Indianapolis Star.

And the Winston-Salem Journal.

And about 95 more newspapers and television outlets.

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Driver charged after SUV plows through crowd
Newsweek - Mar 5, 2006
... area surrounded by two libraries, a dining hall and the student union near ... Five students and a visiting scholar were treated at and released from hospitals ...

UNC Students Injured When SUV Plows Through 'The Pit'
NBC 17.com, NC - Mar 3, 2006
... County Emergency Services has confirmed that several University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill students were injured when an SUV drove through "


SUV Plows Through Students At University Of North Carolina
All Headline News - Mar 3, 2006
... None of the five students and a visiting scholar being treated at local hospitals are ... He tells WRAL-TV, "I turned around and there was a white SUV. ...


Update 3: SUV Plows Through Crowd at UNC; Six Hurt
Forbes - Mar 3, 2006
... a center of campus activities, with students perched along walkways and steps. Friday's noontime crowd included candidates for Black Student Movement elections ...


SUV plows through UNC gathering spot, six slightly hurt
Fayetteville Online, Fayetteville NC - Mar 3, 2006
... "I turned around and there was a white SUV. ... On a sunny, cool day like Friday, the Pit is a busy center of campus activities, with students perched along the ...


SUV plows through crowd at UNC
Indianapolis Star, United States - Mar 4, 2006
... Five students and a visiting scholar were treated at UNC Hospitals for minor injuries ... area surrounded by two libraries, a dining hall and the student union ...

SUV plows through NC campus crowd
Standard-Speaker, PA - Mar 3, 2006
... Five students and a visiting scholar were taken to UNC Hospitals with minor injuries ... They say he rented the SUV earlier Friday and told police after he was ...


SUV plows through UNC gathering spot, six slightly hurt
Winston-Salem Journal, NC - Mar 3, 2006
... they plan to charge a former University of North Carolina student with attempted ... Six people _ five students and a visiting scholar _ were treated at ...


Surprise: 'Today' Covers Iranian Who Drove SUV Through UNC Crowd
NewsBusters - Mar 4, 2006
... co-host Lester Holt, one of the students who was ... For the record, the injured student had received medical ...


"SUV Plows Through Crowd ...
UNC graduate plows into crowd at university's 'Pit,' injuring nine
Winston-Salem Journal, NC - Mar 3, 2006
... "I turned around and there was a white SUV. ... Last month, Muslim students at UNC protested the publication in The Daily Tar Heel of an original cartoon ...

Driver plows into UNC crowd, hits 9
Durham Herald Sun, NC - Mar 3, 2006
... CHAPEL HILL -- A recent UNC graduate purposely drove an SUV into a crowded ... The incident sent five other people -- four students and a visiting scholar --


UNC graduate plows into crowd at university's 'Pit,' injuring nine
Winston-Salem Journal, NC - Mar 3, 2006
... Six people - five students and a visiting scholar - were treated at UNC Hospitals, although a hospital spokesman ...


Wire briefs for March 4
Knoxville News Sentinel (subscription), TN - Mar 3, 2006
... SUV plows through crowd _at UNC, injuring six CHAPEL HILL ... a former University of North Carolina student with attempted ... Five students and a visiting scholar were ...

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A Google News search found around another 85 hits for media outlets covering the story of **SUV plows students**.

Oh.......and by the way Decka......you were just a teensy bit off in claiming the number killed was nine.

It was..................zero.

Originally posted by Brooks
Saying he may simply be a madman suggests that terrorists aren't madmen. They are, aren't they?Menachem Begin was a terrorist. Was he a madman?

Good post, Freethinker. Very ... thorough.

Saying he may simply be a madman suggests that terrorists aren't madmen. They are, aren't they?

There has been an ongoing debate on these threads about the definition of terrorism. Among the few traits we all seem to agree on are attacking civilians, creating fear and using the incident to publicize their political agenda.

The driver said he was "thankful for the opportunity to spread the will of Allah." and intentionally hit people to "avenge the deaths of Muslims around the world." Also, he said he wanted to "punish the government of the United States for their actions around the world."

This seems to fit the bill.

No. There's no organization. He didn't act with much more premeditation than, "Yeah, that seems like a good idea!"

The war on terror should target groups of people who are organized and sophisticated, those dedicated to bringing down important targets and willing to go to the lengths needed to accomplish their dark ends. Not madmen who try to run people over. This guy's a hack. (No offense, Vile)

Originally posted by Brooks
Saying he may simply be a madman suggests that terrorists aren't madmen. They are, aren't they?

All terrorists may be mademn but only some madmen are terrorists.


There has been an ongoing debate on these threads about the definition of terrorism. Among the few traits we all seem to agree on are attacking civilians, creating fear and using the incident to publicize their political agenda.

The driver said he was "thankful for the opportunity to spread the will of Allah." and intentionally hit people to "avenge the deaths of Muslims around the world." Also, he said he wanted to "punish the government of the United States for their actions around the world."

This seems to fit the bill.

I can agree that this guy may fit the definition of terrorist, but he wasn't a very good one.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
All terrorists may be madmen but only some madmen are terrorists.

But all terrorists are NOT madmen.

We must remain always mindful of the fact that -- ""One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter""

I have no doubt whatsoever that our own forefathers, when they were for years locked in a life-or-death struggle against the British, would have if they could, perpetrated acts against the British that would have instilled psychological fear in their hearts. Does it mean that the Founders were "madmen" or "terrorists"????...........No.

Does that mean that every person who ever perpetrates such an act is a "madman", a "terrorist""......No.

It simply means they were using whatever means at their disposal to get into the heads of the people they were struggling against in order to gain their freedom.

Originally posted by Freethinker
I have no doubt whatsoever that our own forefathers, when they were for years locked in a life-or-death struggle against the British, would have if they could, perpetrated acts
Sticking an "if" in there makes the comparison pointless and sort of, well, silly.

Originally posted by Napsterbater
[B]1. No. There's no organization.

2. He didn't act with much more premeditation[B]
1. Do you think that's necessary to be a terrorist?

2. How do you know?

1) In the public eye, yes. Anti-terrorism resources are ill-spent on lone actors.

2) Because such rallys aren't typically planned more than a month in advance, leaving him with precious little time to work with. Also, the nature of his crime indicates it. If you cared more, why not get a gun and shoot people? Or acquire a bomb and plant it? Why, in the middle of daylight, where there is virtually no chance of getting away with it, would you do such a thing unless you weren't right in the head?