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Dunkirk101
03-07-2006, 11:03 AM
This is NOT a good thing :(



At least 8,000 members of the all-volunteer U.S. military have deserted since the Iraq war began, Pentagon records show, although the overall desertion rate has plunged since the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001.


Since fall 2003, 4,387 Army soldiers, 3,454 Navy sailors and 82 Air Force personnel have deserted. The Marine Corps does not track the number of desertions each year but listed 1,455 Marines in desertion status last September, the end of fiscal 2005, says Capt. Jay Delarosa, a Marine Corps spokesman.


Desertion records are kept by fiscal year, so there are no figures from the beginning of the war in March 2003 until that fall.


Some lawyers who represent deserters say the war in Iraq is driving more soldiers to question their service and that the Pentagon is cracking down on deserters.


"The last thing they want is for people to think ... that this is like Vietnam," says Tod Ensign, head of Citizen Soldier, an anti-war group that offers legal aid to deserters. (Related story: Marines hunt Vietnam-era deserters)


Desertion numbers have dropped since 9/11. The Army, Navy and Air Force reported 7,978 desertions in 2001, compared with 3,456 in 2005. The Marine Corps showed 1,603 Marines in desertion status in 2001. That had declined by 148 in 2005.


The desertion rate was much higher during the Vietnam era. The Army saw a high of 33,094 deserters in 1971 - 3.4% of the Army force. But there was a draft and the active-duty force was 2.7 million.


Desertions in 2005 represent 0.24% of the 1.4 million U.S. forces.


Opposition to the war prompts a small fraction of desertions, says Army spokeswoman Maj. Elizabeth Robbins. "People always desert, and most do it because they don't adapt well to the military," she says. The vast majority of desertions happen inside the USA, Robbins says. There is only one known case of desertion in Iraq.


Most deserters return within months, without coercion. Commander Randy Lescault, spokesman for the Naval Personnel Command, says that between 2001 and 2005, 58% of Navy deserters walked back in. Of the rest, the most are apprehended during traffic stops. Penalties range from other-than-honorable discharges to death for desertion during wartime. Few are court-martialed.

Travh20
03-07-2006, 11:11 AM
whats the point of saying a number of soldiers deserted then saying its less then before 9-11? Then say they most return? another piece of crap article with one objective, sow the seeds of doubt with a bunch of bullshit. And not even very good bullshit, usually the left wingers would hide the bit about the number of deserters actually plunging since 9-11 until the end of the story and hope the head line got the dops and freethinkers of the world out of their seats and into the forums of america waving the headline around like Chamberalain and his signature from hitler. ( I got the fist hitler reference)

Vilepagan
03-07-2006, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
whats the point of saying a number of soldiers deserted then saying its less then before 9-11? Then say they most return? another piece of crap article with one objective, sow the seeds of doubt with a bunch of bullshit. And not even very good bullshit, usually the left wingers would hide the bit about the number of deserters actually plunging since 9-11 until the end of the story and hope the head line got the dops and freethinkers of the world out of their seats and into the forums of america waving the headline around like Chamberalain and his signature from hitler. ( I got the fist hitler reference)

Congrats on the Hitler reference.

What's "bullshit" about it Trav?

DrewM
03-07-2006, 07:03 PM
I'm suprised more don't desert actually. It's a free country & if your in the military and think it's all BS you should be allowed to say see ya later just like you can with any job.

es347fan
03-07-2006, 09:58 PM
When one joins the military, they sign a contract for a certain number of years. One can depart prior to the end of that contract, they just may not like the type of discharge they receive and the resulting lack of veteran's benefits (however minimal). Ending the contract is not as simple as putting in one's resignation - especially after sucessful completion of basic training and advanced individual training.

Imp
03-07-2006, 10:25 PM
I disagree with you Drew. They join the military service knowing there is a chance that the country could go to war, while all the meanwhile, hoping it never does.

Then they cry they don't want to go to war, and you think they should be allowed a free ticket?!?!

No sirreeee, they did join the friggin MILITARY_ afterall, and they are established primarily to fight and defend.

Imp...so sick of yellow bellies getting set free.

DrewM
03-07-2006, 11:25 PM
Imp - you make a good point.

Napsterbater
03-07-2006, 11:35 PM
If you want out of the military, just have some gay sex, videotape it, and mail it to your commander! Honestly, people...

mad dog
03-08-2006, 06:53 AM
Originally posted by DrewM
I'm suprised more don't desert actually. It's a free country & if your in the military and think it's all BS you should be allowed to say see ya later just like you can with any job.

Drew this is the military not Mc D's or sears :) To join you do have to sign and swear in. If a person doesn't like guns violence war hard work taking crap etc... then they should look elsewhere. The problem is that military recruiting is sold with sign on bonus college payed etc... The other problem is that some{a few} of the kids don't have the smarts to relize the employer reads military not woolworth.

Travh20
03-09-2006, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by Napsterbater
If you want out of the military, just have some gay sex, videotape it, and mail it to your commander! Honestly, people...

sounds like your a man of experience napster....

newdsagent3
03-09-2006, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
sounds like your a man of experience napster....

He's probably refering to the tapes of prisons and how the military got caught.

Travh20
03-09-2006, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by newdsagent3
He's probably refering to the tapes of prisons and how the military got caught.
I'm sure he is.:hahanot:

Lungdop Philing
03-17-2006, 01:31 PM
To everyone that had a hard time (intentionally or otherwise) understanding my point of how alleged deserters are rarely taken to trial and even more rarely found guilty of desertion ...

Here's a case of a marine that went AWOL 38 years ago and gets no more than an administrative discharge. I rest my case which means ... because he was never tried and found guilty of desertion, he never was a deserter.

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-sbriefs17.1mar17,1,1369637.story?coll=la-headlines-pe-california&ctrack=1&cset=true

Next time you label an AWOL person as a deserter, (as the media does all the time) think twice about it or better yet ... look me up and I'll make a wager with you.

ROTF

Napsterbater
03-23-2006, 09:36 PM
sounds like your a man of experience napster....

Didn't have to. I'm a schmart cookie, I am.

paulc
04-11-2006, 05:25 PM
Whats the point of joining the military,and then saying,'I dont wanna fight'.Theres worse things than going to Iraq.How about having to spend the rest of your life in Canada.