Rather than throwing the blame on the Danes or on the Muslims for what's happening with regards to riots and the such, how about looking for a solution that will make both parties happy?

What do you think? Any suggestions?

Sounds good, but several leaders of Islam have called for an Bin Laden inflicted solution on Denmark & the cartoonists only solution is to hide away for the rest of their lives.

Lol, yeah well with disregards to what's actually happening or what they're doing.. What do YOU think would be the best solution?

worry more about ones self the what others have to say or draw.

Originally posted by Innocent Sweety
Rather than throwing the blame on the Danes or on the Muslims for what's happening with regards to riots and the such, how about looking for a solution that will make both parties happy?

What do you think? Any suggestions? Uhmm ....... blame the Jews???

Originally posted by Innocent Sweety
how about looking for a solution that will make both parties happy?

What do you think? Any suggestions?
In short, I don't think any Muslim who called for a jihad will be happy until we're all dead. JMHO.

Originally posted by Innocent Sweety
Lol, yeah well with disregards to what's actually happening or what they're doing.. What do YOU think would be the best solution?

The best solution would be for muslims to stop believing that their laws apply to everybody on earth.

It'll never happen, I'm afraid the only lasting solution in the end will involve a lot of bombs & missiles.

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I don't know???????? seems like cartoons are doing a pretty good job :)

Innocent seems friendly to the West and the UAE government recently killed a few terroist and Jordan foiled a suicide attack today. Iraq was somewhat peaceful under a dictatorship.

Atiturk saw that Islam was bad for Turkey but he could not take away the peoples religion so he installed a dictatorship to moderate Islam. The EU demanded free elections in Turkey and now the radicals are getting back in power.

In Chechnya and the Balkans, all religions lived in peace under a dictatorship but when the dictatorship broke down the Islamics were there to fill the power vacuum just like in Iraq.

EU has Islam without dictatorships overseeing it and in France as an example there are parts where the French government stays out and Islamic law prevails. There is even talk in the French government about giving part of France to the Muslim as a way to peace.

There are a lot of good Muslims and governments but the Islamics use that goodness to open doors for them. This could be the case in the port security deal.

So I think the problem is in core beliefs of Islam instead of in people.

There is no solution at hand. We CAN'T deal with these people when the are not ready to discuss issues in a mature way, but rather incite hatred and encourage violence. No more appeasement towards radical islamics!

I haven't read one solution till now... Or one that can actually be done? How would you stop people in believing in something? Think of ways to compromise rather than throw the blame on someone or fish in each other's religions trying to find faults. I don't think that'll get us anywhere...

I don't know I think that if there was some sort of agreement done where they would make this policy against ridiculing beliefs, then everyone would be happier. Of course, the Danes and Muslims should apologize to each other, and tada. They both apologized to each other + it's being prevented from happening again in the future.

Call me idealistic, but that's how I see it!

Originally posted by Innocent Sweety
Call me idealistic, but that's how I see it!
I hope you're right, I.S., but I doubt it'll happen that way. I see mushroom clouds and burnt bodies in the future.

Originally posted by Innocent Sweety


I don't know I think that if there was some sort of agreement done where they would make this policy against ridiculing beliefs, then everyone would be happier. Of course, the Danes and Muslims should apologize to each other, and tada. They both apologized to each other + it's being prevented from happening again in the future.

Call me idealistic, but that's how I see it!

That is surrender to terrorism.

We make it against the law to offend Islam. Four of the cartoons were drawn by Muslims to inflame their own people.

Making laws in the west to curtail freedom of the press is not an option.

Muslims feel free to insult and attack others but want us to make it against the law to even think that Musims are to blame for terrorism.

What about the priest and nuns that Muslims killed and the churches that were stoned? What is Islam going to prevent that happening again?

When men are terrorist we call them terrorist no matter what religion they might be.

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So what's the solution ta the Great Danes?



Muslim?



Oopz! Muzzle 'em?



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Again there is no free speech in the EU. One can be jailed for holocaust denial.

If the people drawing said comics were thrown in jail to await trial there would not have been any rioting. Theres no need to cause a stir when your veiws are enforce through state violence.

Funny I repeatedly point this out and not 1 single person has condemned the 'holocaust denial' laws.

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
Again there is no free speech in the EU. One can be jailed for holocaust denial.

If the people drawing said comics were thrown in jail to await trial there would not have been any rioting. Theres no need to cause a stir when your veiws are enforce through state violence.

Funny I repeatedly point this out and not 1 single person has condemned the 'holocaust denial' laws.

The holocaust happened and it is against the law to try to change history for the purpose of demonizing a religious group.

The Cartoon is just a cartoon, it doesn't change anything in the world.

Originally posted by Innocent Sweety
I haven't read one solution till now... Or one that can actually be done? How would you stop people in believing in something? Think of ways to compromise rather than throw the blame on someone or fish in each other's religions trying to find faults. I don't think that'll get us anywhere...

I don't know I think that if there was some sort of agreement done where they would make this policy against ridiculing beliefs, then everyone would be happier. Of course, the Danes and Muslims should apologize to each other, and tada. They both apologized to each other + it's being prevented from happening again in the future.

Call me idealistic, but that's how I see it!

I cannot agree to either of your proposed solutions

the Danes and Muslims should apologize to each other

The Danes have nothing to apologise for. They have EVERY right to print whatever cartoons they want to. No apology is required from muslims, they just need to stop acting like 5 year old children and move on.

it's being prevented from happening again in the future.


No way! - This world does not revolve around the sensitivity of muslims. Unless you are a muslim then Islams prophets & religion mean absolutely NOTHING. Muslims are totally free to practice whatever belief they want, but don't expect that the rest of the world should tip-toe around muslims afraid of upsetting them. This cartoon issue is 100% the problem of muslims, not a problem of Danish cartoonists, who quite frankly - may have been quite insensitive, but certainly have not done anything wrong in the slightest. They have not committed any crimes and are 100% free to create whatever cartoons they want. If muslims don't like it - then that's simply too bad.

If muslim nations want respect they need to earn it, because they don't earn anything just because they are muslim. Rioting in the streets, death threats and so on - certainly is no way to garner any respect. In fact it does the exact opposite.

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
Again there is no free speech in the EU. One can be jailed for holocaust denial.

If the people drawing said comics were thrown in jail to await trial there would not have been any rioting. Theres no need to cause a stir when your veiws are enforce through state violence.

Funny I repeatedly point this out and not 1 single person has condemned the 'holocaust denial' laws.

I have already said that I believe the laws in Europe against holocaust denial are wrong.

That issue though is different to a satirical cartoon. It relates to the extermination of millions of jews in death camps, that is not a religious issue.

Originally posted by Innocent Sweety
(...) it's being prevented from happening again in the future.

Call me idealistic, but that's how I see it!

Thats exactly what they want - and exactly what we can't give them! Insensitive, perhaps, but we have the RIGHT to publish WHATEVER we want, even though it may offend some people as long as it doesn't encourage violence or hatred. In Denmark last year a facist radio was shut down for inciting violence against the european muslims, and a leader of a radical islamic party was arrested for encouraging to kill jews. These things should not be allowed, nor are they. But to make caricatures is certainly part of freedom of (artistic) expression and no one can or should stop us in doing just that!

Originally posted by DrewM
The Danes have nothing to apologise for. They have EVERY right to print whatever cartoons they want to. No apology is required from muslims, they just need to stop acting like 5 year old children and move on.

Needs to be repeated over and over until it sinks in.......

Lets say Joe draws cartoons, and Bob sells fish. Joe doesn't like the selling of fish so he draws a cartoon about Bob's fish sales. Both men have a disagreement but they are both mature enough to understand that neither is causing harm so they go on with life.
Now change this and have Bob burn down Joe's place of business, THIS MAKES BOB AN A**HOLE PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!!!!!!

Innocent, how would you feel if people said take away your religious books pictures etc... because it upsets us???

I feel this is just the Muslims nit picking at everylittle thing to push their ways on others. They need to get over their high and mighty selfs and learn to start living in a world with others, LIFE is not about muslims and their religion!!!!!!
GET OVER IT!!!

Originally posted by mad dog

I feel this is just the Muslims nit picking at everylittle thing to push their ways on others. They need to get over their high and mighty selfs and learn to start living in a world with others, LIFE is not about muslims and their religion!!!!!!
GET OVER IT!!!
Agreed!

Originally posted by elp
In Denmark last year a facist radio was shut down for inciting violence against the european muslims, and a leader of a radical islamic party was arrested for encouraging to kill jews.

As the Danes go about their life they have to be careful of the traffic, always looking to the left and to the right for dangerous totalitarian organizations trying to run over them.

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
Again there is no free speech in the EU. One can be jailed for holocaust denial.

Funny I repeatedly point this out and not 1 single person has condemned the 'holocaust denial' laws.

I guess you didn't read the posts as carefully as you thought, guerilla. I protested the holocaust denial laws quite vigorously. I think they are a blot on European democracy and have said so on more than one occassion.

elp

I don't think I welcomed you. It is always a pleasure to get viewpoints from people who live outside the U.S. Welcome aboard.

The muslims need to forget about their beliefs being important to non-muslims and they need to learn tolerance.

It'll never happen, which is why we are heading toward endless wars with these nations. They will always lose because they are weak. Their only strength is radicalism and threats.

You would think that 1000 years of defeat would make muslim nations wonder what it is they are doing wrong.

Originally posted by DrewM
You would think that 1000 years of defeat would make muslim nations wonder what it is they are doing wrong.

This is exactly the problem, they get their glory from being the underdog. Their mentality is they are the few the proud the correct the muslims. Some people love to be in this type of environment the smaller they are the harder they fight, it's just a thing.

Originally posted by DrewM
You would think that 1000 years of defeat would make muslim nations wonder what it is they are doing wrong.
Amen.

Originally posted by Frogger
elp

I don't think I welcomed you. It is always a pleasure to get viewpoints from people who live outside the U.S. Welcome aboard.

Thanks alot, it's great being here.

As the Danes go about their life they have to be careful of the traffic, always looking to the left and to the right for dangerous totalitarian organizations trying to run over them.

Well I don't know about that. I think we are quite cabable of dealing with totalitarian organizations as soon as they start becoming violent - otherwise they are free to say whatever they want.

Originally posted by DrewM
The muslims need to forget about their beliefs being important to non-muslims and they need to learn tolerance.
(....)
You would think that 1000 years of defeat would make muslim nations wonder what it is they are doing wrong.

Excellent point. They demand tolerance of their religion, but show none towards anyone else. It disgusts me. I hope that this whole farce with the cartoons will prove that appeasement is impossible when dealing with islamics.

The holocaust happened and it is against the law to try to change history for the purpose of demonizing a religious group. Bwahahhaaaa Thanks for proving (yet again) that you don't believe in the freedom of speech. Seems like you have no right to complain about this anymore.

Excellent point. They demand tolerance of their religion, but show none towards anyone else. It disgusts me. I hope that this whole farce with the cartoons will prove that appeasement is impossible when dealing with islamics. All religious assholes do this. It is done by the extremists. The only difference is that the media gets all hyped up about stories of Islamic whackos instead of those from other religions.

This has to do with religious extremists. They exist in all religions and all of them are dangerous (cept for Buddists I guess...)

That issue though is different to a satirical cartoon. It relates to the extermination of millions of jews in death camps, that is not a religious issue. Tell that to the crazy Zionists...

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
This has to do with religious extremists. They exist in all religions and all of them are dangerous
Agreed to a point. Outside of Christian extremists inciting violence (an arrestable offense, in many cases), you have certain (very predictable) assholes like Robertson and Coulter making themselves look like morons (in the name of free speech, no less) on a multi-national stage. Now, on the other hand, in Muslim countries, you have the president of Iran screaming for Jew blood in the name of Allah while being applauded by MILLIONS for doing so. (Which probably doesn't bother you seeing as to how you're an anti-Semite, but nevertheless - it bothers others.) Now, if you truly can't see a difference between the two, then you're a bigger idiot than I originally thought. The numbers speak for themselves. There are FAR more Muslim extremists than there are Christian, with the caveat being the whacky Muslims aren't afraid to kill for their god. Now go ahead and enlighten me: how does this simple reality escape you?

Well, there is not so much of a difference between the two camps. Both are calling for the blood of their enemies. Both have millions listening.

Also keep in mind that Bush is also a religious nut, he is just bound by partisan politics to not play that role. The president of Iran, however, leads a nation of Muslims, so he doesn't have to hide behind a politically correct shell. And Bush has demanded the blood of Arabs, far more effectively than any other player in this religious-political game. The fact that he does not do so in the manner that is so offensive to white people is all that is keeping you from calling for his head.

Politics as usual. Just a whole bunch of faces yakking their heads off, trying to bring you over into their camp.

Originally posted by Napsterbater
Well, there is not so much of a difference between the two camps.
I beg to differ.
Originally posted by Napsterbater
The president of Iran, however, leads a nation of Muslims, so he doesn't have to hide behind a politically correct shell.
And President Bush doesn't lead a nation of Christians? No, the reason we're "politically correct" (to use your words) is because we, as a nation, aren't stuck in the 14th century. Oh, and please spare us the "we're juss there to kill us some duurty, mud-colored A-rabs" bullshit, for that line of thinking is so fucking dumb - it isn't even worth debating.

Here's a friendly word of advice: don't paint a picture of the situation that makes you look stupid unless you don't mind being viewed that way yourself. Hey, after all, it IS your choice...
Originally posted by Napsterbater
And Bush has demanded the blood of Arabs, far more effectively than any other player in this religious-political game.
Whoa, cowboy - I can't remember one time when he called for "Arab" blood. We're not fighting this war over "religion" - we're fighting it over oil, and regional stability. We're fighting to install a US friendly puppet government, and fighting to MINIMIZE future bloodshed. Whether or not you disagree with the Administration's method is completely ancillary to the point I'm making here, and that should be obvious.
Originally posted by Napsterbater
The fact that he does not do so in the manner that is so offensive to white people is all that is keeping you from calling for his head.
This line is soooooooo fucking tired. The Dop's, FT's, Nappy’s, and 500's of the world unite, I see...

Here's a friendly word of advice: don't paint a picture of the situation that makes you look stupid unless you don't mind being viewed that way yourself. Hey, after all, it IS your choice...

Careful there, don't let some of that stupid rub off on you...

And President Bush doesn't lead a nation of Christians?

No. He leads a nation with many factions. His demeanor is forced to accomodate all of them.

No, the reason we're "politically correct" (to use your words) is because we, as a nation, aren't stuck in the 14th century.

People had to play politics then too. At any rate though, all your argument serves to do is outline your hatred of Muslims and their culture.

Oh, and please spare us the "we're juss there to kill us some duurty, mud-colored A-rabs" bullshit, for that line of thinking is so fucking dumb - it isn't even worth debating.

That, and steal their natural resources. It isn't such a hard idea to believe when you consider that our entire strategy for curbing terrorism is to find 'em and kill 'em. Any innocents hurt in the process? Collateral damage. We don't even need to keep track of it. Collateral damage in Iraq and Afganistan very more than likely exceeded 9-11 by at least an order of magnitude.

I can't remember one time when he called for "Arab" blood.

Caught me on that one, it should have been "Muslim".

We're not fighting this war over "religion" - we're fighting it over oil, and regional stability. We're fighting to install a US friendly puppet government, and fighting to MINIMIZE future bloodshed.

We must kill them all, in order to stop the killing. Why does that logic go over so well with you?

This line is soooooooo fucking tired. The Dop's, FT's, Nappy’s, and 500's of the world unite, I see...

That would greatly impress me, maybe we could see some change start happening, but alas, real change will not be made through cooperation and brotherhood, but by terror. Only when the entire world fears for its survival will we ever change. I hope to live to see that day, even if it means dying the next.

And President Bush doesn't lead a nation of Christians? No, the reason we're "politically correct" (to use your words) is because we, as a nation, aren't stuck in the 14th century. BS. The hardliner Christians in the US have been trying to destroy the 1st amendment since its inception.

I can't remember one time when he called for "Arab" blood. Using the word Cursade on 9-11 seems pretty obvious to me. None-the-less you cannot deny that race plays a factor in all wars. It mush easier to incite the masses to violent bloodlust if thevictim is seen as "the other".

president of Iran screaming for Jew blood in the name of Allah while being applauded by MILLIONS for doing so. No he didn't. He said Israel shouln't exist and the holocaust didn't occur.

You guys are gonna have to start moving away from the nuclear bit,the only real answer is to stop the Danes drinking Carlsberg for a year.

We'll stop drinking Carsberg the day the Irish lays off the guinness, paul ;)

And I'd be hard pressed to stop drinking either of them. :)

Same thing happened to the British Author, Salman Rushdie, some time ago with his book The Satanic Verses..