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Cromagnon
02-28-2006, 12:31 PM
From Democracy Now!

The U.S. is holding 500 at the base in wire cages at the Bagram Air Base, north of Kabul in Afghanistan. Some have been detained for up to three years. They have never been charged with crimes. They have no access to lawyers. They are barred from hearing the allegations against them. Officials describe the jail's conditions as primitive. We speak with human rights attorneys Clive Stafford Smith and Michael Ratner.

"While an international debate rages over the future of the American detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the military has quietly expanded another, less-visible prison in Afghanistan, where it now holds some 500 terror suspects in more primitive conditions, indefinitely and without charges."
That is the opening line of a front-page article in Sunday's New York Times detailing the US-run prison at Bagram Air Base, north of Kabul. The Times reports that some of the detainees at Bagram have been held for as long as two or three years. Unlike those at Guantanamo, they have no access to lawyers, no right to hear the allegations against them and only rudimentary reviews of their status as "enemy combatants." One Pentagon official told the Times the current average stay of prisoners at Bagram was 14.5 months.

The numbers of detainees at the base had risen from about 100 at the start of 2004 to as many as 600 at times last year. The paper says the increase is in part the result of a decision by the U.S. government to shut off the flow of detainees to Guantanamo Bay after the Supreme Court ruled that those prisoners had some basic due-process rights. The question of whether those same rights apply to detainees in Bagram has not been tested in court.

While Guantanamo offers carefully scripted tours for members of Congress and journalists, Bagram has operated in rigorous secrecy since it opened in 2002. It bars outside visitors except for the International Red Cross and refuses to make public the names of those held there. The prison may not be photographed, even from a distance.

Citing unnamed military officials and former detainees, the Times reports that prisoners at Bagram are held by the dozen in wire cages, sleep on the floor on foam mats and are often made to use plastic buckets for latrines. Before recent renovations, detainees rarely saw daylight except for brief visits to a small exercise yard. The U.S. military on Sunday defended Bagram air base saying detainees there are treated humanely and provided "the best possible living conditions."

But evidence of abuse of prisoners at Bagram has emerged over the years. In December 2002, two Afghan prisoners were found dead, hanging by their shackled wrists in isolation cells at the prison. An Army investigation showed they were treated harshly by interrogators, deprived of sleep for days, and struck so often in the legs by guards that a coroner compared the injuries to being run over by a bus. No one has been prosecuted for the deaths, though both were ruled homicides and the Army claims the men were beaten to death inside the jail.

We are joined on the line by Clive Stafford Smith, a British-born human rights lawyer who represents 40 detainees at Guantanamo Bay, many of whom passed through Bagram Air Base. He is legal director of the charity Reprieve. We are also joined by Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights.

DrewM
02-28-2006, 07:53 PM
I agree, these US gulags where people are held without charge are a total and absolute DISGRACE.

We should be ashamed as a country to be involved in such activities.

LionelHutz
02-28-2006, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by Cromagnon
The U.S. is holding 500 at the base in wire cages at the Bagram Air Base,

Luckily they allow him internet access so he can post here.

Evil Homer
03-01-2006, 04:52 PM
Da dum dum chhh!

Yay for bad jokes!

Travh20
03-02-2006, 09:11 AM
I would like to see a Chuck Norris Delta Force style mission to free those prisoners, and see how many would sign up or support such a thing

In Odder Words
03-02-2006, 06:03 PM
CHUCK that idea, Trav!


It's enuff ta protest on this board...



Or is that spelled b-o-r-e-d fer you?



www. norris don't DO delta force missions after he left Korea... But he might do a MOVIE about 'em... You wanna be his new... SIDE KICK? Study some Tang Soo Do, I guess... .edu


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