Raleigh, N.C. — The U.S. army has charged seven paratroopers from its elite 82nd Airborne Division with engaging in sex acts in video shown on a homosexual pornographic website, authorities said Friday.

Three of the soldiers face courts-martial on charges of sodomy, pandering and engaging in sex acts for money, said a statement released Friday by the military.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060224.wairborne0224/BNStory/International/home


what is pandering?

Originally posted by DrewM
what is pandering?
Punitive Articles of the UCMJ
Article 138-34 Pandering and Prostitution ...........

(3) Pandering by compelling, inducing, enticing, or procuring act of prostitution.

a) That the accused compelled, induced, enticed, or procured a certain person to engage in an act of sexual intercourse for hire and reward with a person to be directed to said person by the accused;

(b) That this compelling, inducing, enticing, or procuring was wrongful; and (c) That, under the circumstances, the conduct of the accused was to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces or was of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.

(4) Pandering by arranging or receiving consideration for arranging for sexual intercourse or sodomy.

(a) That the accused arranged for, or received valuable consideration for arranging for, a certain person to engage in sexual intercourse or sodomy with another person;

(b) That the arranging (and receipt of consideration) was wrongful; and (c) That, under the circumstances, the conduct of the accused was to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces or was of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/punitivearticles/a/134138.htm

Apparently, it means 'pimping'.

In this case pandering means that the allegation is that the paratroopers engaged in sex for money. In other words they were paid for that video, and the leaders of the group recruited some of the individuals in that video in return for the payment.

This could be looked at as a simple case of paratroopers making a training video on how to pack chutes.

Originally posted by Imagineer
This could be looked at as a simple case of paratroopers making a training video on how to pack chutes. ROTFL!!!!! OUTSTANDING!!

Spoken like a true Packer fan!

Let the women troops get raped and do nothing. But God forbid some of the guys make gay porn...instant court martial...

As usual, 500, your comment is out of line with reality. It is also untrue.

Originally posted by Imagineer
In this case pandering means that the allegation is that the paratroopers engaged in sex for money. In other words they were paid for that video, and the leaders of the group recruited some of the individuals in that video in return for the payment.

This could be looked at as a simple case of paratroopers making a training video on how to pack chutes.

i'm really really glad i didn't have anything in my mouth at the time i read that..................

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
Let the women troops get raped and do nothing. But God forbid some of the guys make gay porn...instant court martial...

uh, come on 500. yes something should be done about rape. but the military has clear laws on certain things. the troops violated those laws. it's like someone walkign down the street smoking a joint, and believes there is nothing wrong with it, but don't bitch and whine if you get busted by a cop.

500 lb guerilla has absolulty no clue about the military. He is so far from reality it's not even funny. To him its nothing but racist, raping murderers who have to answer to nobody. Disregard anything 500lb guerilla says about the military, especially when he starts it with "I have a friend in the...."

I have a friend who knows 500 and he tells me that 500 has hitler statues and posters in his room and also pays for trannies to come to his house everynight for ... um.... coffee;)

Originally posted by Travh20
Disregard anything 500lb guerilla says about the military, especially when he starts it with "I have a friend in the...."
:)

All Im saying is that rape is routinely brought up and ignored in the military. But the second "OMG TEH GAY!1!!1!!" is said theres a discharge...

But hey go ahead and act like there hasn't been numerous scandels revolving around permitting soilders to sexually harass or rape others...

I could also bring up the fact that numerous middle east translators have been fired for being "TEH GAY!!!1!!1". Yeah I mean screw national security we don't want them homos around...

I'm not saying they shouldn't get busted. The difference in responses is just astounding.
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Military Hides Cause of Women Soldiers' Deaths
By Marjorie Cohn
January 2006

In a startling revelation, the former commander of Abu Ghraib prison testified that Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, former senior US military commander in Iraq, gave orders to cover up the cause of death for some female American soldiers serving in Iraq.

Last week, Col. Janis Karpinski told a panel of judges at the Commission of Inquiry for Crimes against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration in New York that several women had died of dehydration because they refused to drink liquids late in the day. They were afraid of being assaulted or even raped by male soldiers if they had to use the women's latrine after dark.

The latrine for female soldiers at Camp Victory wasn't located near their barracks, so they had to go outside if they needed to use the bathroom. "There were no lights near any of their facilities, so women were doubly easy targets in the dark of the night," Karpinski told retired US Army Col. David Hackworth in a September 2004 interview. It was there that male soldiers assaulted and raped women soldiers. So the women took matters into their own hands. They didn't drink in the late afternoon so they wouldn't have to urinate at night. They didn't get raped. But some died of dehydration in the desert heat, Karpinski said.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/013006J.shtml

Again, 500, you've not a clue about the military. All you've been able to do is find a news article & post it here. Good job parrot.

yeah blanket denials without any explaination is farrrr better...

So if these guys are homosexuals which handle do they pull on the way out of the plane? If homosexuals are lighter and more bouncy on their feet does this make these guys land softer? :D

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
The latrine for female soldiers at Camp Victory wasn't located near their barracks, so they had to go outside if they needed to use the bathroom.


Oh my god! a soldier having to go outside to use the bathroom! Seriously, this article is complete and utter bullshit, thats right, an outright fucking lie. I am calling you and your bullshit out guerilla.

God forbid we should have to reassess the roles women are playing in our military.

Oh, no - we can't be anything but PC, so in the relentless pursuit of being "fair", let's not use our fucking head.

I'm sorry, but I don't think they have any business being on a battlefield. In short, they're not physically or emotionally up to the task. This isn't rocket science - if they want to join the military, fine - join the Air Force or Navy, and if they're bright enough; work Intel, but please, for the love of god, leave the fighting to the men.

Praetorian;

Do you know why we use such a week gun {m16} for fighting? We could just as easily use a 30-06 and just blow a person away. We use the weeker gun to disable a soldier this way their buddy will have to stop and help. Bang 2 shot instead of just one. The reason I brought this up is because of your point about women. Most American boys still like to take care of their girl. Now if I was the enemy I would think it's great to let women into the military this way Billybob will be more worried about Sue then what his job is. I agree 100% with you about not having women in combat, it is to much of a distraction. Let the flames fly :)

Originally posted by mad dog
Praetorian;

Do you know why we use such a week gun {m16} for fighting? We could just as easily use a 30-06 and just blow a person away. We use the weeker gun to disable a soldier this way their buddy will have to stop and help. Bang 2 shot instead of just one. The reason I brought this up is because of your point about women. Most American boys still like to take care of their girl. Now if I was the enemy I would think it's great to let women into the military this way Billybob will be more worried about Sue then what his job is. I agree 100% with you about not having women in combat, it is to much of a distraction. Let the flames fly :)

Young lady gets the silver star for bravery. How many of you guys have done as much for your country?

http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/soldierstories/story.php?story_id_key=7474http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/uploads/large/OCPA-2005-06-17-084735.jpg

Originally posted by old-reb
Young lady gets the silver star for bravery. How many of you guys have done as much for your country?
And what, exactly, does that have to do with anything? Of course, "the" woman pictured here received the silver star for bravery, but then again - another young lady named John Kerry also was given one about 35 years ago over a scratch on his arm. You know, it's possible that politics played a role in her being awarded that medal, but then again, my hunches aren't always dead on, so who's to say...

HOLD IT ... As a woman, I can tell you that I am a helluva lot tougher than a lot of men that I know. In a brawl, my money is on me. As for shooting a rifle or whatever, forget it. I hate guns. :)

But, I say, if a woman wants to be in the thick of things, let her. She may just save a man's ass, or, in the alternative, get herself killed. The latter would probably save the man's ass anyway. Her ass instead of his. JMO.

Originally posted by mad dog
Praetorian;

Do you know why we use such a week gun {m16} for fighting?
Terminal velocity and general ballistics are very good for the 5.56 mm NATO round (otherwise known as the .223 here in the states), but the kick and cyclical action of the bolt is far less than that of the 7.62 mm round (the cartridge that's popular with the towels). Our guns are more accurate, faster firing, and easier to aim. However, your statement is factually correct - our round is "weaker", so to speak, but only because of the aforementioned attributes it has inherent to its design. The ArmaLite product is freaking brilliant, period.

Just because a woman can swing around an 8 lb sledgehammer doesn't mean they can do it better than a man. Anyone who tries to minimize my point by saying something stupid like, "gee, thank god we're not swinging around sledgehammers in Iraq" has completely missed the big picture. Women are a distraction - they're slower - they're weaker - and they lack a killer instinct. Read: need not apply.

Originally posted by saycricket
But, I say, if a woman wants to be in the thick of things, let her. She may just save a man's ass, or, in the alternative, get herself killed. The latter would probably save the man's ass anyway. Her ass instead of his. JMO.
That's all well and good in theory, but the reality of the situation stipulates that if they're shot for being slower and weaker (which they are inherently...), then they put our soldiers at risk. If they're shot (and there's a good chance of it), then they occupy the time of our medics, create paperwork, and cause headaches. While not in battle, they're a major distraction, and they require separate facilities. I'll say it again: I have zero problem with women in the military, but for god's sake, using them in battle is like measuring with a micrometer, marking with a grease pencil, and cutting with an axe. Yes, it gets the job done, but at what expense?

Women are a distraction - they're slower - they're weaker - and they lack a killer instinct. Read: need not apply. Although I hesitate to do this and am kicking myself while typing, I think I have to agree with you. As a whole, women are a distraction, women are weaker and women are slower. I reserve judgment on the "killer instinct" though.

And, I have to hand it to you Prae, you sure know your ammo.

Originally posted by saycricket
And, I have to hand it to you Prae, you sure know your ammo.
Thank you, Cricket. :)

I'm a gun freak - I can't help it. Hell, I wasn't even that thorough.

Originally posted by saycricket
I reserve judgment on the "killer instinct" though.
Possibly, but that's what makes them better than men, IMHO. Women typically aren't hostile. I don't think either sex is better than the other, but I see qualities on both ends. If men are better at lifting shit, then let 'em do it. Women are far better at multi-tasking. Women see with a clarity men don't, and I'd never pretend that men could compete on that level. That's all I'm trying to say.

This raises an interesting topic, regarding women in battle. I got to meet with the Israeli director of the documentary 'Company Jasmine', which was an in-depth look at the role of females in the Israeli armed forces (both men and women are forcibly enrolled in the military), which ties into this very interesting topic-check it out if you get the chance.

We've entered a modern age where our military uses technology in the scope that the physical stresses of combat are less prominent. Most often times, females are seen as weak when they cry, but afterwards it is shown in psychological studies that they grow stronger in their resolve by that carthartic process. Also, if it is a volunteer force, they know clearly what they will be facing if they sign up, and so demand to be put in battle is sort of expected out of some headstrong women.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Women typically aren't hostile.

Women typically aren't in the military either, those are "
hostile" would probably be the ones, for the most part, in a volunteer military force.

Women see with a clarity men don't

?

Originally posted by saycricket
Although I hesitate to do this and am kicking myself while typing

Why is it so difficult to admit a biological difference in women and men?

Originally posted by Evakian
Women typically aren't in the military either, those are "
hostile" would probably be the ones, for the most part, in a volunteer military force.
Either that, or they're of a highly quixotic nature. Take your pick. It reminds me of the high school girls who wanted (err, "demanded") the opportunity to wrestle on the school team. That lasted for about a week, and ended in bloodshed.
Originally posted by Evakian
?
All I was saying is that women can do certain things better than men. Multi-tasking is one of them.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Either that, or they're of a highly quixotic nature. Take your pick. It reminds me of the high school girls who wanted (err, "demanded") that they be allowed to wrestle on the school team. That lasted for about a week.

First the ammo passage and now you're throwing out nickel and dime words like "quixotic", someone's breaking in a new thesaurus, aren't you?
Kidding (of course), it is nice to see more colorful expression from time to time.

All I was saying is that women can do certain things better than men. Multi-tasking is one of them.

I wouldn't say the statement: "Women see with a clarity men don't" expresses the same explicit message...
Not to mention there are positives and negatives to all those traits, since multi-tasking effects the ability to remember things proficiently.

Originally posted by Evakian
First the ammo passage and now you're throwing out nickel and dime words like "quixotic", someone's breaking in a new thesaurus, aren't you?
Not exactly, but I do like to throw down when I get a chance. Rest assured, I knew what quixotic meant, but I think I should've used a better word anyway. When I typically think of the word "quixotic", I reference women who read cheesy novels with a built dude on the cover. Whatever. In the context of the sentence, I think it plays fine.
Originally posted by Evakian
I wouldn't say the statement: "Women see with a clarity men don't" expresses the same explicit message...
Not to mention there are positives and negatives to all those traits, since multi-tasking effects the ability to remember things proficiently.
Okay...

Sorry I wasn't more explicit. ::scratches head::

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Women are a distraction

Not to everyone. :D


- they're slower - they're weaker

Which may be a disadvantage for an infantryman, but women do have better hand-eye coordination and quicker reflexes than men, which could serve them well in some other combat capacity in a push-button war.


- and they lack a killer instinct. Read: need not apply.

I doubt this...have you ever seen a chick-fight? They're mean. :D

Originally posted by Vilepagan

I doubt this...have you ever seen a chick-fight? They're mean. :D

Maybe we could have special all-women squads - for a few days of each month they'd be the most feared fighting force in the world.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Either that, or they're of a highly quixotic nature. Take your pick. It reminds me of the high school girls who wanted (err, "demanded") the opportunity to wrestle on the school team. That lasted for about a week, and ended in bloodshed.

All I was saying is that women can do certain things better than men. Multi-tasking is one of them.


I wouldn't dismiss High School Women who wrestle as a group. Some may not last, others do. Check out this article about a young woman in Wisconsin. I'd put my money on her in a fight with just about anyone.

http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060226/WDH02/602260768/1602

Originally posted by old-reb
Young lady gets the silver star for bravery. How many of you guys have done as much for your country?


What the hell does this have to do with anything when I was in the military I got many awards, whoopy sh**!!!!!

Back to the issue, while I was in the military I witnessed many a men going goo goo over a women when she entered the area, major distraction. I speak from experience not just out of my arse. I know the world is changing and women have become "more equal"{lack of a better word}, but I have not seen the day were men are not distracted by women.............

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Terminal velocity and general ballistics are very good for the 5.56 mm NATO round (otherwise known as the .223 here in the states), but the kick and cyclical action of the bolt is far less than that of the 7.62 mm round (the cartridge that's popular with the towels). Our guns are more accurate, faster firing, and easier to aim. However, your statement is factually correct - our round is "weaker", so to speak, but only because of the aforementioned attributes it has inherent to its design. The ArmaLite product is freaking brilliant, period.

I took a gunsmith class but thanks for the enlightening post:). My point was/is that we use a varmont gun to kill{wound is more like it} people. The .223 is good for woodchuck hunting where as a 30.06 would be a much faster cleaner and more reliable kill for the larger creature{human}

Just because a woman can swing around an 8 lb sledgehammer doesn't mean they can do it better than a man. Anyone who tries to minimize my point by saying something stupid like, "gee, thank god we're not swinging around sledgehammers in Iraq" has completely missed the big picture. Women are a distraction - they're slower - they're weaker - and they lack a killer instinct. Read: need not apply.

I don't know if this was directed at me if it was I just want to say I agreed with your point 100%

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Maybe we could have special all-women squads - for a few days of each month they'd be the most feared fighting force in the world.

At one time this did exist they were called WACs

Originally posted by Vilepagan
Not to everyone. :D

Oh yes they would be, you'ld be talking about hair color, nails or something :D :D



Which may be a disadvantage for an infantryman, but women do have better hand-eye coordination and quicker reflexes than men, which could serve them well in some other combat capacity in a push-button war.

I think most of us would agree with having the women push buttons, the real problem is about women being on the front line.



I doubt this...have you ever seen a chick-fight? They're mean. :D

Chick fights are tough :)

I've seen a few post on here about how tough women can be and I'm sorry but they are not as tough as men. Sure there are women out there then can bench press a VW but for eveyone of them there is a man then can press a Tractor trailer. If the choice came down {life or death}I'm sure most men would rather fight a women then another man, because there chance for survival would be much greater.

Originally posted by mad dog
At one time this did exist they were called WACs

Yeah, but we never took advantage of their, uh, cycles.

I agree they are distracting because men can't control themselves.

Solution
Maybe we could have special all-women squads

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Yeah, but we never took advantage of their, uh, cycles.

:D

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Yeah, but we never took advantage of their, uh, cycles.
No doubt.

That was pretty funny, Lionel. :)