Here in America, we've had people like Harriet Tubman, Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, William Lloyd Garrison, John Brown. ALL who saw wrong in this world and tried to fix it. Some of our civil rights leaders paid the ultimate price, and quite a few were perescuted.

With this eruption over the Danish cartoons depicting Muhamad, I would like to see one of those Danish Cartoonist who will stand up and say "I'm not afraid" and come out of hiding and go about his normal business. Press censorship has been a topic from time to time throughout the world. Here we have the Islamists thinking they can dictate what we can, and what we can't criticize. I'd rather that they not win this. For that to happen, those cartoonists need to show some courage, and the rest of the West needs to show some solidarity, dammit.





http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/worldviews/2006/02/01/Cartoon%201.jpg

Somebody has to stand up. Why does it have to be me? Dammit.

Italian Minister Quits Post Over Cartoon Row

Roberto Calderoli provokes ire of colleagues, countrymen; at least 10 dead in Libya riot

by Marcello Peluso


Italian government minister Roberto Calderoli stepped down from his post Saturday after stirring up controversy by appearing on Italian TV earlier in the week wearing a T-shirt with caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed as a terrorist.

The cartoons were originally published in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten and have ignited violent and sometimes deadly protests all over the Muslim world.

Calderoli, a member of the anti-immigrant Northern League party and minister without portfolio for institutional reform and devolution, is not new to making inflammatory statements. In past years he has been condemned for condoning xenophobia against foreigners, Muslims and Italians living in the south of the country.

During the TV talk show, Calderoli said, "It's time to put an end to this story that we need to dialogue with these people."

Soon after Calderoli's comments, Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi told the press: "We are totally in disagreement. That is his own initiative." He then invited Calderoli to step down as minister. Condemnation of the 49-year-old former dentist's remarks came from Italian ruling and opposition party members.

Rest of story (http://english.ohmynews.com/ArticleView/article_view.asp?menu=A11100&no=275167&rel_no=1&back_url=)

Don't look for your Great Dane in Italy.

Islam is a religion of slavery and murder.

Originally posted by cranston36
Islam is a religion of slavery and murder.

And of course, you're an acknowledged expert on all things Islamic. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Here in America, we've had people like Harriet Tubman, Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, William Lloyd Garrison, John Brown. ALL who saw wrong in this world and tried to fix it. Some of our civil rights leaders paid the ultimate price, and quite a few were perescuted.


Martin Luther King...and John Brown?

I'm not sure you can compare these two gentlemen in any meaningful way. MLK believed in non-violence, while Brown clearly thought violence was an acceptable way to try to achieve change. Very different people.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
[B]Here in America, we've had people like Harriet Tubman, Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, William Lloyd Garrison, John Brown. ALL who saw wrong in this world and tried to fix it. Some of our civil rights leaders paid the ultimate price, and quite a few were perescuted.

With this eruption over the Danish cartoons depicting Muhamad, I would like to see one of those Danish Cartoonist who will stand up and say "I'm not afraid" and come out of hiding and go about his normal business. Press censorship has been a topic from time to time throughout the world. Here we have the Islamists thinking they can dictate what we can, and what we can't criticize. I'd rather that they not win this. For that to happen, those cartoonists need to show some courage, and the rest of the West needs to show some solidarity, dammit.



With the current situation, I'm not surprised that the cartoonists stay hidden. They've got a price on their heads! Now, I'm not sure how serious these death threats should be taken, but we are not used to these things in Denmark. Suddenly, little democratic Denmark is being threatend by all sorts of islamic terrorgroups, and the cartoonists are being threathened with beheading - it frightens people!

Islam is a religion of slavery and murder. Just like Christianity!

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2021;&version=31;

Your introduction is piss poor. To compare civil rights activists with racist cartoonists is preposterous.

On a semi-related note I just found this awesomeness:
http://www.jesuschristsuperstore.net/index.html

Racist cartoonists? Please explain to me why the cartoons are racist.

Agreed. Islam is a religion, not a race.

Originally posted by elp
Racist cartoonists? Please explain to me why the cartoons are racist.

Good question, because they are directed at a religion, and that religion has adherents of many races, from Algeria to Idonesia to Kazakhstan to Sudan and many other places, they are not a single race.

Also- Welcome to allforums elp, glad to have you. :)

You prefer I use violent arab stereotypes?

There were a few comics that brought up good and interesting points. The one Darth chose to highlight is neither.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Here we have the Islamists thinking they can dictate what we can, and what we can't criticize. I'd rather that they not win this. For that to happen, those cartoonists need to show some courage, and the rest of the West needs to show some solidarity, dammit.



I am all for solidarty and buying Danish products but for brave journalist, well, these ain't Lutherans you are dealing with here they is Muslims. Go ask Theo van Gogh what they will do to shut you up.

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
You prefer I use violent arab stereotypes?

There were a few comics that brought up good and interesting points. The one Darth chose to highlight is neither.
It protrays the true nature of Muslims and their reaction proves the cartoon is a fact.

Originally posted by elp
Racist cartoonists? Please explain to me why the cartoons are racist.

People are always bring this up to clutter and confuse. There should be a word to replace racist when people are against a religion.

I use racist for either or both religion and race.

It protrays the true nature of Muslims and their reaction proves the cartoon is a fact. "Their reaction" is the work of a crazy religious extremists who like to posture in the streets. A vast majority of muslims (95-99.9%) could give a fuck less and have done nothing in response. You need to learn not to confuse the mob with the majority.

I'm not saying theres not evil violent muslim fanatics. All I'm saying is that there is evil violent fanatics in all religions. Its used as a means to an end.

Originally posted by old-reb
There should be a word to replace racist when people are against a religion.How about 'creedist'?

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
"Their reaction" is the work of a crazy religious extremists who like to posture in the streets. A vast majority of muslims (95-99.9%) could give a fuck less and have done nothing in response. You need to learn not to confuse the mob with the majority.

I'm not saying theres not evil violent muslim fanatics. All I'm saying is that there is evil violent fanatics in all religions. Its used as a means to an end.

Thanks for the lecture, Plastic Jesus.

I see no problem with just using it with an expanded definition.

Wordnet has this:
Meaning #2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion.
People are always bring this up to clutter and confuse. yup...too bad such things are the mainstay of these boards rather then real discussion.

Originally posted by sedan
How about 'creedist'?


There could be something to this. Now if someone else will lead the way I will follow.

CREEDIST:
An individual who believes in aborting the rights of others, sometimes to the point of justifying their total destruction, on the basis of their religious beliefs. A member of the Creedist sect of the cult of Abortionism. Of or pertaining to the Creedist sect.

http://cul.detmich.com/glossary.html

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
I see no problem with just using it with an expanded definition.

Wordnet has this:
Meaning #2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion.
yup...too bad such things are the mainstay of these boards rather then real discussion.

At least with this information I could answer people who want to split hairs.
I could use creedist as a backup. I am not too quick to pick up new words.

The noun racism has 2 meanings:

Meaning #1: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races

Meaning #2: discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race
Synonyms: racialism, racial discrimination

http://www.answers.com/topic/racism

Just found this silly cartoon on the comics. Not the funniest but it seems like a pretty easy to understand point...

http://www.markfiore.com/animation/toon.html

Notions of race and racism, however, often have played central roles in such conflicts. Historically, when an adversary is identified as "other" based on notions of race or ethnicity (particularly when "other" is construed to mean "inferior"), the means employed by the self-presumed "superior" party to appropriate territory, human chattel, or material wealth often have been more ruthless, more brutal, and less constrained by moral or ethical considerations. Indeed, based on such racist presumptions, the political or moral decision to enter into armed conflict can be made less weighty when one's potential adversaries are "other than," because their lives are perceived as having lesser importance, lesser value.

eth·nic
adj.
1.
a. Of or relating to a sizable group of people sharing a common and distinctive racial, national, religious, linguistic, or cultural heritage.


http://www.answers.com/topic/racism

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
Just found this silly cartoon on the comics. Not the funniest but it seems like a pretty easy to understand point...

http://www.markfiore.com/animation/toon.html

Cute Muslim appologist film.

Vile,

John Brown and Martin Luther King.

I'm not comparing them as far as the means at which they tried to achive their goals, I'm comparing them as far as the sincerity of their beliefs are concerned. Both went about their causes in their own way.

While John Brown certainly wasn't the best father, or the best business man, he did get sentenced to death on his way to the gallows, brown kissed a black infant and passed a note to a guard stating that the only way for this Nation to atone for the sin of slavery would be in blood. He held his head high all the way to the gallows.

You can question whether or not John Brown did the correct course of action when he tried to free slaves by force, but you can't question his sincerity, which is why I included him.

Besides, people where breaking laws right left and center in that time period anyway. The fugitive slave act, the Dred Scot decision and the Bleeding Kansas debacle. Brown was the harbinger of the Civil War and the deathnell of slavery here in the States, dammit.

Notions of race and racism, however, often have played central roles in such conflicts. Historically, when an adversary is identified as "other" based on notions of race or ethnicity (particularly when "other" is construed to mean "inferior"), the means employed by the self-presumed "superior" party to appropriate territory, human chattel, or material wealth often have been more ruthless, more brutal, and less constrained by moral or ethical considerations. Indeed, based on such racist presumptions, the political or moral decision to enter into armed conflict can be made less weighty when one's potential adversaries are "other than," because their lives are perceived as having lesser importance, lesser value. Its funny because when I point this out (racism and the military) the knee jerk reactionaries get all huffy and whine.

But lookie there Darth didn't even point it out...

Europe is coming down with extreme Arabs,to stand up and be counted could be suicidal,believe me.

To not stand up, united, would be even more suicidal, paulc.

Rather than talking about getting rid of the term, Islamic terrorists, Europeans ought to be getting rid of the actual Islamic terrorists.

To quote Benjamin Franklin, "If we do not hang together, we shall all hang seperately."