New Abu Ghraib Photos Released (W/MORE IMAGES)

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m20640&l=i&size=1&hd=0

Yes, as a matter of fact, I am proud to be an American. I am not always proud of all the things Americans do but I am always proud to be an American.

I am the son of immigrants, immigrants who left their homes and families to come to this country to search for the American dream, a dream that they couldn't find in the land of their birth. My parents instilled in me a love of the promise America holds out to all people, the promise to rise to whatever heights your abilities can take you, the promise to live with others of different races, religions and political leanings in peace and harmony, the promise to have elections and not violent overthrows of the government. Yes, 500 pound guerilla, I am proud to be American. It is truely sad that you are not.

I am the son of immigrants, immigrants who left their homes and families to come to this country to search for the American dream, a dream that they couldn't find in the land of their birth. My parents instilled in me a love of the promise America holds out to all people, the promise to rise to whatever heights your abilities can take you, the promise to live with others of different races, religions and political leanings in peace and harmony, the promise to have elections and not violent overthrows of the government. Yes, 500 pound guerilla, I am proud to be American. It is truely sad that you are not. So long as you live in America of course. Should you happen to live a country ruled by a despot then be prepared for america to come over indescimanately murder a whole bunch of your fellow country men, indesciminatly round up a bunch more and torture them, allow mercenaries to murder with impunity, use death squads to disrupt the country, fail to fix what they broke and leave the country worse then when they came or never at all.

I want to be proud of my country. I am proud of the people in it. But certain members and actions leave me with no choice but to hang my head in shame. Any other response shows a complete lack for respect for human life and dignity.

BTW at least these photos put to rest that stupid "its not torture" BS. The Slashed throats, open wounds and other obvious signs of torture are sickening.

As are your false accusations that the U.S. is controlling death squads and allowing mercenaries to kill with impunity.

thank god, I was starting to go through withdrawls without my monthly dose of abu graib photos.

Originally posted by Travh20
thank god, I was starting to go through withdrawls without my monthly dose of abu graib photos.

Those pictures are so degrading!

Here's a link to them - send it to your friends!

As are your false accusations that the U.S. is controlling death squads
I never said they were outright controling them. Just using them. Help them set up shop, give them a starting poitn and away they go...
http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?s=&postid=183299#post183299



allowing mercenaries to kill with impunity. I'm sorry please direct to any story anywhere of the mercenaries in Iraq being tried in an Iraqi court for shooting people...A single article...

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"A U.S. investigation of the July 14 incident concluded that no American contractors were responsible, a finding disputed by the Ismaels, other witnesses, local politicians and the city's top security official, who termed it a coverup. No one has yet been held responsible."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/09/AR2005090902136_pf.html

A former South African judge, Richard Goldstein, has gone on the record as saying he knew of 150 former apartheid-era security operatives working as mercenaries in Iraq .
http://www.theiraqmonitor.org/article/view/26817.html

"In April 2005, an audit of Aegis was released by the Office of the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction. The audit said that Aegis had not properly vetted its Iraq employees; had not demonstrated that all of its employees were trained to use the weapons they had been issued; and had not followed certain contractual obligations in setting up regional operations centers (ROCs) to coordinate security. The audit was also critical of poor Pentagon oversight of the contract. "As a result," it concluded, "there is no assurance that Aegis is providing the best possible safety and security for government and reconstruction contractor personnel and facilities.""
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/warriors/contractors/companies.html

Trophy video' under investigation
Video appears to show private security contractors shooting at Iraqi citizens.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1128/dailyUpdate.html
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If you could find the results of the US investigation into the Aegis videos I'd be much obliged. I can't find it anywhere.

Originally posted by Frogger
Yes, as a matter of fact, I am proud to be an American. I am not always proud of all the things Americans do but I am always proud to be an American.

Agreed

Hey frogger the Fascist has your back
:thumbs:

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
Hey frogger the Fascist has your back
:thumbs:

Low blow 500.

Just going by his sig. and his posts
:D

Just wondering of what country, of the more than 30 that are in América, are you talking about. Proud of being from Argentina, or Canada, or Jamaica ... or ... well the list is long, please specify.

Thanks,

Those could be fake photos because it has been done before. But in anycase it is nothing compared to what the terrorist would to to the Americans if they captured them.

I have read of the Iraqi police capturing large numbers of terrorist and putting them in safely in jail but during the night more terrorist came in and killed the police and freed the prisoners. That is no big deal because we have double standards for terrorist.

The GI's would have their heads sawed off if the roles were reversed.

Originally posted by old-reb
Those could be fake photos because it has been done before.They're not.

New Abu Ghraib photos shown on Australian TV
Jeannie Shawl at 8:41 AM ET

[JURIST] Previously unpublished photographs [SMH slides] and video depicting alleged abuse of prisoners by US personnel at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison [JURIST news archive] were shown on Australian television Wednesday. In an effort to expose "the extent of the horror that occurred at Abu Ghraib," SBS television's Dateline program showed images [program transcript; AAP report] of blood-soaked prisoners who had been tortured or shot and a detainee who seemed to be covered in feces, along with video of a prisoner repeatedly slamming his head into a door and a group of prisoners being forced to masturbate.

The existence of the images was not unknown and they were viewed by members of Congress in private briefings when the original Abu Ghraib photographs were made public in 2004. They are also the subject of litigation in the United States. The American Civil Liberties Union sued [ACLU case backgrounder] under the Freedom of Information Act and in September won a court order [PDF decision; JURIST report] giving them access to the photographs, but the government is currently appealing that decision [SMH report], arguing that their release would further anti-American sentiment. In his decision to allow the ACLU access to the photographs, US District Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein wrote that "fear of blackmail is not a legally sufficient argument to prevent us from performing a statutory command."

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2006/02/new-abu-ghraib-photos-shown-on.php

If they were fake the government would be arguing against their release on those grounds. Also, the members of Congress who viewed the photos would have challenged their authenticity if they were not known to be genuine.But in anycase it is nothing compared to what the terrorist would to to the Americans if they captured them.This isn't about them, old-reb, it's about us.

Originally posted by sedan
This isn't about them, old-reb, it's about us.

It is ok for them to be animals but if we are unkind to them to squeeze some information from them that would save a few of our lives then that can't be done.

What you are saying is that American lives are not as important as terrorist feelings.

just look at my sig... thats pretty much what we should do

Originally posted by old-reb
It is ok for them to be animals but if we are unkind to them to squeeze some information from them that would save a few of our lives then that can't be done.

No reb, it isn't ok for them to be "animals", which they are not, and you aren't really talking about being "unkind", you're talking about torture.


What you are saying is that American lives are not as important as terrorist feelings.

No. I think what he's saying is that by emulating the behavior of terrorists, we risk becoming terrorists ourselves. Torture is the purvue of despots, barbarians, and terrorists. Which of those would you have us become in order to save Amwerican lives?

Originally posted by Vilepagan


No. I think what he's saying is that by emulating the behavior of terrorists, we risk becoming terrorists ourselves. Torture is the purvue of despots, barbarians, and terrorists. Which of those would you have us become in order to save Amwerican lives?

I think you are a bit confused. If we emulated the terrorist we would cut their heads off or take no prisoners, just kill them when we can.
Failing to use proven methods of winning war against terrorist is criminal to the lives of our fighting men and their families.

You cannot win a war if you are reticent about fighting it to the fullest. Viet Nam proved that.

All terrorists should be executed and all those who aid them in any way should be given long prison sentences.

Fighting the war by half measures hasn't made them like us any better so it is time to make them fear us more.

Originally posted by old-reb
Failing to use proven methods of winning war against terrorist is criminal to the lives of our fighting men and their families. Please explain how torturing prisoners is a proven method of fighting terrorism. 'When you commit acts of senseless barbarity you create more terrorists. This is criminal to the lives of our fighting men and women and their families.

You cannot win a war if you are reticent about fighting it to the fullest. Viet Nam proved that. Yeah I mean slaughtering whole villages...what a half assed war...

Originally posted by sedan
Please explain how torturing prisoners is a proven method of fighting terrorism. 'When you commit acts of senseless barbarity you create more terrorists. This is criminal to the lives of our fighting men and women and their families.

You get information on future attacks and where the bad guys are. Like many words, torture has varying degrees. Sometimes people go further than they should but we don't approve horrific torture like Saddam did. But many people complain that we can't keep the peace like Saddam did but we have too many PC rules while their only rule is that there is no rules.

Just a cartoon can make more terrorist and any attempt to recognize terrorist or fight terrorist causes more terrorist, at least that is what the liberals and terrorist say. The only other choice is to submit to the will of the terrorist and accept them as our masters. Submitting to terrorist is to do their work for them.

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
Yeah I mean slaughtering whole villages...what a half assed war...

What a dope, we are talking about squeezing information from terrorist not slaughtering villages.

Try to keep up with the subject.

Originally posted by old-reb
You get information on future attacks and where the bad guys are.There are standard interrogation techniques in place to achieve this, that do not extend to torture. These techniques may be more effective than you realize. The problem is that when you go beyond interrogation and needlessy torture prisoners you are creating an environment that produces more terrorists. The net effect of this torture is that more US soldiers and civilians will certainly die in the long run than you can hypothetically save in the short run. Furthermore, information gained by torture is often fabricated by the victim as a means to end the ordeal. And how does torturing someone who has been in custody for more than a few days yield any reliable information about 'future attacks and where the bad guys are'? The whole idea that torture is a useful intelligence tool is seriously flawed.

Originally posted by old-reb
I think you are a bit confused.

Thanks. :)


If we emulated the terrorist we would cut their heads off or take no prisoners, just kill them when we can.

That doesn't make a great deal of sense.


Failing to use proven methods of winning war against terrorist is criminal to the lives of our fighting men and their families.

What "proven methods" are you referring to. and how are they "proven"?

So then Old-Reb its OK to torture American troops for information. Good to know you support torturing our men and women in uniform. Thanks...

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
So then Old-Reb its OK to torture American troops for information. Good to know you support torturing our men and women in uniform. Thanks...

U is dumber than a rock.

Terrorist captured several bus loads of Iraqi unarmed soldiers and tied their hands behind their back and shot them.

Terrorist captured several Americans and hung them on a bridge and set them of fire.
Captured Americans have their heads sawed off on national TV. Do they allow Christians to have a bible while in humane jails?

We put seriel killer terrorist in cells with food and facilities for personal cleanliness, a koran. a bed and god only knows what else.

We have a couple of incidences of torture and you focus on only that. That is the oneway view of the Islamic mediaeval terrorist and people like 500.

The terrorist fight without rules, killing women and children shopping in a market, killing Muslims in Mosque and blowing up Mosque. They are the animals not us.

I say Iraqi government and American prisoners should be treated as well as we treat terrorist prisoners and 500 says I want Americans to be tortured. I say 500 is dumb as a rock and twice as sillly.

500 and Islamics know the truth but they try to make lies appear to be the truth. It takes a lot of smoke and mirrors to pull that off.

Originally posted by sedan
Please explain how torturing prisoners is a proven method of fighting terrorism. 'When you commit acts of senseless barbarity you create more terrorists. This is criminal to the lives of our fighting men and women and their families.

You are right, Sedan. When you commit senseless acts of barbarity you simply create more terrorists. However, when you commit senseable acts of barbarity you might just save countless lives.

Two scenerios:

Scenerio one: You capture a terrorist and because you are pissed off you torture him. You gain nothing other than some sort of twisted catharsis. This is a senseless act of barbarity.

Scenerio two: You capture a terrorist who you strongly suspect of having information that if gotten could save the lives of many, many people. He refuses to give it to you. You use extreme measures and get the information. You manage to save the lives of the many people. This is not an act of senseless barbarity.


Which is the better course, to treat the terrorist with kid gloves and have many innocents killed or to treat the terrorist with a mailed fist and save those lives?

Would you feel the same if one of the lives being saved was your son or daughter?

Originally posted by Frogger
Which is the better course, to treat the terrorist with kid gloves and have many innocents killed or to treat the terrorist with a mailed fist and save those lives?I love the TV show '24'. Anyone who watches the program has seen Jack Bauer, with the clock ticking, resort to torture on numerous occasions to save the lives of thousands of innocents. He gets the information he needs and moves on to the next bad guy. Great stuff.

My main complaint against the show is that it leads some people to think this kind of scenario is commonplace, and that torture is therefore an acceptable tool for gathering intelligence. But they are not commonplace and do not justify a policy that condones torture. Can I conceive of a scenario where the only way to save innocent lives is to torture someone? Of course I can. In the exceedingly rare circumstance where no other options remain and time is running out you go ahead and do what needs to be done. But you should do so with the full knowledge that you are committing a felony, and you'd better have expectations of a presidential pardon if you are ever charged. In other words, torture should be the last desperate measure in an instance of dire need, not an officially sanctioned policy or practice.

Now, a question in return. You brought up the scenario of when you 'strongly suspect' a prisoner has life-saving information. Why stop there? Dr. Nozick is fond of hypotheticals, so let's try this one. What if you have a thousand prisoners, all of whom you slightly suspect of having this information. Are you not justified in torturing all of them if by doing so you might save one American life?

Wanna know what the Germans did to the Jews?



Then don't exactly ask the Germans...




Wanna know what the Japanese did ta Koreans 'n Chinese?



Then don't exactly ask the Japanese...




Wanna know what the Americans did to (uh, the list is long)...



Then don't exactly ask the Americans...




But ya might catch some of it on PBS...




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Sedan,

My post was in response to yours:

"Please explain how torturing prisoners is a proven method of fighting terrorism. 'When you commit acts of senseless barbarity you create more terrorists. This is criminal to the lives of our fighting men and women and their families."

I was agreeing that senseless acts of barbarity serve no useful purpose. Not all acts of barbarity are senseless though. I gave an example of one such scenerio and asked what you thought the proper course of action would be. I notice you never bothered to answer the question.

I will answer your hypothetical question though even though you see reticent to adress the issue fully.

I would not, in the situation you propose resort to torture. I would not do so for two reasons. Reason one, far too many people who are certainly innocent would be needless tortured. Reason two, the rewards would not be commenserate with the methods used.

Using your question as a base point would mean that torture could be used in almost all and any instances. This is not what I suggested at all. I was careful to point out that it should be used in only extreme instances.

Also, the snide Dr. Nozick comment was not appreciated. If you wish to converse on an adult level fine. If you wish to act like a petulant child find someone else to post with.

Originally posted by In Odder Words
Wanna know what the Germans did to the Jews?



Then don't exactly ask the Germans...




Wanna know what the Japanese did ta Koreans 'n Chinese?



Then don't exactly ask the Japanese...




Wanna know what the Americans did to (uh, the list is long)...



Then don't exactly ask the Americans...




But ya might catch some of it on PBS...




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Nice play with words to imply false truth without saying anything.

PBS is anti-American. I used to listen it for their knowledgable programs but they put so much politics into it that I stopped donating to them and never listen to them anymore.

PROUD? PROUD?!?


Proud ta be an Earthin'!


Proud ta belong ta the Milky Way!



Proud ta be married?



www. uh, bride goeth before the fall... .edu




CAMERA SWINGS TO SMOLENSK AND THE LATEST POLE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED THERE DURIN' NOT WORLD WAR WON, BUT WORLD WAR LOST:



Narrator: God’s Eye is part history and part biography. The historical part tells the story of Katyn and other killing fields where more than 20,000 Polish officers, soldiers, border guards, police, and other officials, as well as ordinary citizens, were executed during World War II. The narrative stretches from 1940 to the present, tracking successive investigations that uncovered the truth bit by bit. The biographical part of Fox’s book focuses on Maliszewski’s indefatigable efforts to identify execution and burial sites, establish Soviet culpability, and pressure Warsaw and Moscow to complete a full official investigation...



German accounts continue ta differ with the above...



Anywayz, let's all be PROUD every buddy is doin' their OWN "investigations" about whatever...




Chief Sittin' Bull: I don't know, Pale Face you say you will steal no more of our land as you offer us the latest treaties... Yet we proud warriors still have certain...



...reservations...



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www. too much talk about pride may mean too much lion .edu

Wanna know what the Germans did to the Jews?



Then don't exactly ask the Germans...




Wanna know what the Japanese did ta Koreans 'n Chinese?



Then don't exactly ask the Japanese...




Wanna know what the Americans did to (uh, the list is long)...



Then don't exactly ask the Americans...




But ya might catch some of it on PBS...





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Nice play with words to imply false truth without saying anything.

PBS is anti-American. I used to listen it for their knowledgable programs but they put so much politics into it that I stopped donating to them and never listen to them anymore.

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Acht du Meine Gute! You Amerikaners say WE started WWII?



Ara ma! You Amerika-jin way WE Japanese started WWII?



Nice play with words to imply false truth without saying anything.

PBS is anti-American. I used to listen it for their knowledgable programs but they put so much politics into it that I stopped donating to them and never listen to them anymore.




"People see what they WANT to see..."--Chris Boyce




www. thankz fer takin' the time ta give me yer input, old-reb .edu

I say Iraqi government and American prisoners should be treated as well as we treat terrorist prisoners and 500 says I want Americans to be tortured. I say 500 is dumb as a rock and twice as sillly. Old-reb...You said "It's OK to torture the enemy for information" Then that must hold true for the enemy as well. Hence, you think its OK for Americas troops to be tortured.

It either that or your a self-proclaimed hypocrite...your choice...

Originally posted by Frogger
I gave an example of one such scenerio and asked what you thought the proper course of action would be.You did indeed. It went like this:

You capture a terrorist who you strongly suspect of having information that if gotten could save the lives of many, many people. He refuses to give it to you. You use extreme measures and get the information. You manage to save the lives of the many people. This is not an act of senseless barbarity.

Which is the better course, to treat the terrorist with kid gloves and have many innocents killed or to treat the terrorist with a mailed fist and save those lives?I notice you never bothered to answer the question.Oh, really? Here's what I said:

Can I conceive of a scenario where the only way to save innocent lives is to torture someone? Of course I can. In the exceedingly rare circumstance where no other options remain and time is running out you go ahead and do what needs to be done. But you should do so with the full knowledge that you are committing a felony, and you'd better have expectations of a presidential pardon if you are ever charged. In other words, torture should be the last desperate measure in an instance of dire need, not an officially sanctioned policy or practice.

Please explain to me how that is not an anwer to your question.Also, the snide Dr. Nozick comment was not appreciated.It wasn't intended to be snide. You mention him often, and he is fond of hypotheticals.If you wish to converse on an adult level fine. If you wish to act like a petulant child find someone else to post with. ????? Where is all this coming from ?????

Take your ball and go home if you want. It's plain as day who's acting like a petulant child here.

Probably from a misunderstanding on my part. I honestly thought the Dr. Nozick comment was meant to be smarmy. If it was not, I apologize for over-reacting.

No problem. We both know I'm a smart-ass. I do wish you weren't so quick to take offense, though. Walking on egg shells isn't any fun, IMO.

Back to the battle? En garde!

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
Old-reb...You said "It's OK to torture the enemy for information" Then that must hold true for the enemy as well. Hence, you think its OK for Americas troops to be tortured.

It either that or your a self-proclaimed hypocrite...your choice...

It would be a big improvement if the Terrorist treated the US and Iraqi troops the same as we treat them.

I would be much happier if the terrorist fed and cared for Iraqi or American prisoners and maybe tortured a few, than to do as they now do and that is to kill them on the spot or hang them from a bridge and burn them.

Former German hostage in Iraq says her kidnappers treated her well
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2005/12/27/news/nation/122605184140.txt

Polish hostage: I was treated well
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/20/iraq.poland/

De la Cruz: Kidnappers treated me well
http://www.inq7.net/brk/2004/jul/21/brkpol_5-1.htm

"We were interrogated and our belongings were searched, but we were treated very well, especially when they heard about the work we were doing," Ms Mulhearn said.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/16/1082055618164.html?from=storyrhs

Basile Georges Casmoussa said after his release that he had been treated well and explained that the kidnappers had captured him by mistake and did not request a ransom for his release.
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=57786&d=19&m=1&y=2005

...an American doctor in Germany reports that Thomas Hamill was reasonably well-treated by his Iraqi kidnappers.

A bullet wound received at the time of Hamill's capture had been treated surgically, the wound was cleaned on a daily basis, and Hamill had been given antibiotics, the doctor said. Hamill said that while he was moved frequently, he was not beaten or mistreated after his capture.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reese/reese71.html

As the Italian government denied paying ransom to secure the release of two women aid workers in Iraq, one of the former hostages said they had been well-treated during their three-week ordeal, adding she would be willing to return to Iraq.
http://www.turks.us/article.php?story=20040930064558125&mode=print
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And what does a decorated military veteran have to say about torture:
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HACKWORTH: I think you are right. I played this game eight years on battlefields, and i've gone by the simple rule, but for the grace of God there go I. If I took a prisoner, I treated him well, gave him a cigarette, gave him a can of cigarettes and some water, and the guy sang like a canary.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0405/04/ltm.01.html

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
Former German hostage in Iraq says her kidnappers treated her well
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2005/12/27/news/nation/122605184140.txt

Polish hostage: I was treated well
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/20/iraq.poland/

De la Cruz: Kidnappers treated me well
http://www.inq7.net/brk/2004/jul/21/brkpol_5-1.htm

"We were interrogated and our belongings were searched, but we were treated very well, especially when they heard about the work we were doing," Ms Mulhearn said.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/16/1082055618164.html?from=storyrhs

Basile Georges Casmoussa said after his release that he had been treated well and explained that the kidnappers had captured him by mistake and did not request a ransom for his release.
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=57786&d=19&m=1&y=2005

...an American doctor in Germany reports that Thomas Hamill was reasonably well-treated by his Iraqi kidnappers.

A bullet wound received at the time of Hamill's capture had been treated surgically, the wound was cleaned on a daily basis, and Hamill had been given antibiotics, the doctor said. Hamill said that while he was moved frequently, he was not beaten or mistreated after his capture.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reese/reese71.html

As the Italian government denied paying ransom to secure the release of two women aid workers in Iraq, one of the former hostages said they had been well-treated during their three-week ordeal, adding she would be willing to return to Iraq.
http://www.turks.us/article.php?story=20040930064558125&mode=print
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And what does a decorated military veteran have to say about torture:
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HACKWORTH: I think you are right. I played this game eight years on battlefields, and i've gone by the simple rule, but for the grace of God there go I. If I took a prisoner, I treated him well, gave him a cigarette, gave him a can of cigarettes and some water, and the guy sang like a canary.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0405/04/ltm.01.html

I can count these prisoners (hostages) on my fingers. Compare that to thousands of prisoners we hold.

The hostages were civilians who went to Iraq to help the Iraqis and many hostages were tortured and murdered.

The prisoners we hold are hard core Islamic warriors who would go back to attacking Iraqi and Americans again if they were released.

You are searching hard to justify terrorist.

Originally posted by old-reb
The prisoners we hold are hard core Islamic warriors who would go back to attacking Iraqi and Americans again if they were released.

You know this how?

I didn't realize that the government had released any information at all concerning the prisoners we hold, where are you getting your information?

Originally posted by Vilepagan
You know this how?

I didn't realize that the government had released any information at all concerning the prisoners we hold, where are you getting your information?

If you read the news you would know. Combatants are arrested almost every day and it wouldn't be a stretch of imagination to think they would return to combat again if they were released.



4 terrorists arrested, Iraqi's turn in bomb-makers

BAGHDAD , Iraq -- At a forward operating base in southern Baghdad , two masked terrorists fired at a U.S. soldier manning a gate, then fled in a vehicle. Ground patrol units and a Scout Weapons Team consisting of AH-64 attack helicopters pursued the vehicle.

The helicopter observed the terrorists exit the vehicle and enter a building.

Once the ground patrol arrived and entered the house, they emerged with 12 terrorists in custody. All 12 are currently being held for questioning.

South of Baghdad, local Iraqis tipped off Task Force Baghdad Soldiers about a possible weapons cache. Upon searching the house, an ammunition cache was discovered and two residents were found with explosive material. They have been held for further questioning.

In south Baghdad , a 155mm round was located on the side of a highway. After clearing the area, the device was detonated harmlessly.

U.S. forces also located and disarmed three improvised explosive devices in western Baghdad at one potential bomb site, two 155mm rounds at another, and a bomb of unknown ordnance at a fourth site.

I can count these prisoners (hostages) on my fingers. Yup and some of those taken hostage were executed too.
Compare that to thousands of prisoners we hold. Yup thats the problem the US tortures thousands of people as routine policy.

The hostages were civilians who went to Iraq to help the Iraqis and many hostages were tortured and murdered. Yup some of them were.

The prisoners we hold are hard core Islamic warriors who would go back to attacking Iraqi and Americans again if they were released. Bull fucking shit. Some of them are yes. But a vast majority of them are not.

You are searching hard to justify terrorist. No it is you who is trying to justify terrorists. I have denounced anyone who has murdered innocent people or tortured anyone. Iraqi, US I don't care. No matter what side they are on they are terrorist scum. It is you who seeks to say that it is OK for Americans to murder and torture Iraqis. You are the one justifing terrorism.

f you read the news you would know. Combatants are arrested almost every day and it wouldn't be a stretch of imagination to think they would return to combat again if they were released. Yet again you demonstrate that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. You are making assumptions about the whole based on reports of very few (the exact same reason you act like a racist ass when it come to muslims.) You fail to grasp that people are individuals.

On the note of individuals I denounce any Iraqis that have murdered innocents or tortured anyone. There are numerous autonomous cells throughout Iraq.

However the US military, while being comprised of individuals, has a blanket torture policy. The US endorses the systematic torture of individuals innocent or not. Systems are far more dangerous than individuals.

You are the one who needs to read up. Your ignorence combined with your arrogance is quite disgusting.
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Report: 70%-90% held in error in Iraq
By Alexander G. Higgins
The Associated Press
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 05.11.2004

GENEVA - Some 70 percent to 90 percent of Iraqi detainees were arrested "by mistake," according to coalition intelligence officers cited in a Red Cross report disclosed Monday.
The report also said U.S. officers mistreated inmates at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison by keeping them naked in totally dark, empty cells.

Abuse of Iraqi prisoners was widespread and routine, the report finds - contrary to President Bush's contention that the mistreatment "was the wrongdoing of a few."

http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/dailystar/21552.php

Good job, parrot. Keep it up, you might be of use to someone, someday.