Why does christianity consider Jesus(pbuh) as God?
if Jesus was (is) a human like us?
are christians monotheist while they believe in three Gods?
is there more than one God for christians?
what does Jesus do that he is God or like God?
please don't say that 3=1 this statement dosn't justify a wise guy.
thank you.

Trinity- the unity of father, son, holyspirit as three persons in one Godhead according to christian dogma.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by secondboy
what does Jesus do that he is God or like God?
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If you believe the Biblical accounts of healing the sick by touch, and raising the dead to life by words, I can see where this would be viewed as very god-like.

Then again, if you do not believe written words of accounts, throw out Christianity and Islam both. Why believe one book over another merely because it was popular where you were born?

As a matter of accepted fact, both religions speak of accounts in your neck-of-the-woods, the Middle East.

Which of your ancestors lied? How would you know?

Secondboy

The problem arises when people try to place human restraints on God. Since humans can only exist as a single entity they can conceive of God as only a single entity. There are no such restrictions on God so he can be one and yet three at the same time.

St. Patrick used the common clover to illustrate this. While the clover has three distinct leaves it is still only one plant. While God has three aspects He is still only one God, the God you call Allah and Christians and Jews call Yaweh.

God consist of three parts, the creative, the inspirational and the forgiving. To differentiate these three aspects of God we identify them as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

God the Father is the universal God that all three religions of The Book believe in. Jews believe that God the Father will one day send a Messiah to save the world. Christians believe that He has already done so in the person of Jesus. We bellieve that Jesus is God come down to earth in the aspect of a human being who, while without sin Himself died to expeate all our sins and earn us forgiveness. In other words, Jesus is God in human form. The Holy Spirit eminates from God the Father and God the Son and forms the third part of the trinity, the three parts of God.

It probably seems confusing to a non-Christian but Christians worship only one God.

Frogger;

Wouldn't it also be somewhat like a human, we can be happy sad or mad. It doesn't mean we are only one of these things but we are all of these things put together.

does(did) Jesus worship God or not?if he worships(worshiped) God then God worships(worshiped) God and if he dosn't(didn't) then he is(was) sinful.

Originally posted by secondboy
does(did) Jesus worship God or not?

Jesus was a Jew, and so did partake in worship/prayer of God. With the triune idea (three in one), you could take that as Him worshipping Himself, but Jesus was in human form, so that changes the situation.

Also when you take the trinity and then say Jesus died for our sins this would be false, because he did not die he went back to a place that he loved. I would be like me moving to the city and then saying I'm going to move back to the country because city folk are a pain. I knew all along I would end up back in the country I just wanted to lay a guilt trip on city folk.

Originally posted by secondboy

are christians monotheist while they believe in three Gods?
is there more than one God for christians?
what does Jesus do that he is God or like God?

Here is an answer, secondboy, that I hope will make it all clear to you.......

The Trinity

- EXPLAINED ONCE AND FOR ALL -
by Robert G. Ingersoll

Christ, according to the faith, is the second person in the Trinity, the Father being the first and the Holy Ghost the third. Each of these three persons is God. Christ is his own father and his own son. The Holy Ghost is neither father nor son, but both. The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten - just the same before as after. Christ is just as old as his father, and the father is just as young as his son. The Holy Ghost proceeded from the Father and Son, but was equal to the Father and Son before he proceeded, that is to say, before he existed, but he is of the same age of the other two.

So, it is declared that the Father is God, and the Son God and the Holy Ghost God, and that these three Gods make one god.
According to the celestial multiplication table, once one is three, and three times one is one, and according to heavenly subtraction if we take two from three, three are left, The addition is equally peculiar, if we add two to one we have but one. Each one is equal to himself and the other two. Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity.

Is it possible for a human being, who has been born but once, to comprehend, or to imagine the existence of three beings, each of whom is equal to the three?
Think of one of these beings as the father of one, and think of that one as half human and all God, and think of the third as having proceeded from the other two, and then think of all three as one. Think that after the father begot the son, the father was still alone, and after the Holy Ghost proceeded from the father and the son, the father was still alone - because there never was and never will be but one god.
At this point, absurdity having reached its limit, nothing more can be said except: "Let us pray."--------from Ingersoll's lecture: The Foundations Of Faith, Part IV: The Trinity, pg. 264 (1922 Dresden Edition)

Originally posted by Freethinker
Here is an answer, secondboy, that I hope will make it all clear to you.......

Each one is equal to himself and the other two. Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity.


First off FT... Let me say that i recognize you are just trying to ruffel some feathers... because you calling everyone who beleives in christianity an "idiot" and "absurd" is just plain dumb. I mean, say you don't agree.. but man saying things like that about religion is like me coming up to you and saying your mom is an ugly whore.....

Second... Trying to explain God mathematically is like a monkey trying to understand windows... we aren't Gods and we dont have the power or mental state to know.... Whenever i hear you try to put your own standards on God makes me view you as nothing but arrogance.... and thats where the whole ego problem comes into play with you extreme lefties.

Originally posted by Decka
First off FT... Let me say that i recognize you are just trying to ruffel some feathers... because you calling everyone who beleives in christianity an "idiot" and "absurd" is just plain dumb. I mean, say you don't agree.. but man saying things like that ...............

No, I am not doing it simply to ruffle feathers.

As the words of Robert Ingersoll illustrate, any person who believes in the absurdity of three-gods-in-one-yet-one-god-yet-three IS severly hampered in their ability to reason and think clearly.

It would probably be correct to call them *idiots*......but the plain truth of the matter is that they --the adherants of Christianity, who believe to the very fibre of their being in the nonsensical , preposterous concept of a tripartite god that is at the same time one god-- are suffering from a form of insanity; a mind virus; a meme that has infected their mind in exactly the same way that a virus infects an otherwise healthy body and makes it sick.

If a man were walking down the street, insisting that he sees pink elephants, that person would be regarded as suffering from a form of insanity, and virtually everyone could agree about that........it would not be *egotism* or *arrogance* that causes anyone to think of themselves as possessing a more sane and rational view of the world than the man who "sees" pink elephants.........it would simply be, in exactly the same way as it is with believers in invisible tripartite gods, a statement of fact to note that he is suffering from a mental imbalance.

Freethinker is just a bitter, nasty little troll who should be ignored. In fact, that is what I am going to do, ignore him.


http://www.cit.gu.edu.au/~anthony/icons/large/troll.jpg

Christ is the son of God but is part of three in the trinity which represents one union of spirit.

So when he worshiped his father while on Earth - he WAS talking TO his father, God. They are seperate from one another but two parts of one.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Freethinker
No, I am not doing it simply to ruffle feathers.

As the words of Robert Ingersoll illustrate, any person who believes in the absurdity of three-gods-in-one-yet-one-god-yet-three [b]IS severly hampered in their ability to reason and think clearly.
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Free, can you comprehend the thinking mind, the sub-concious mind, and the spirit of man, as one?

Originally posted by Dan Fussell

Free, can you comprehend the thinking mind, the sub-concious mind, and the spirit of man, as one?

I'm not really sure how that question can be answered, if what each of us thinks of as being **the spirit of man** is not the same thing.

I do not know what form you think the *spirit of man* might take, or what you think it is......but I can tell you that I have no belief in such things as "spirits".

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Christ is the son of God but is part of three in the trinity which represents one union of spirit. So when he worshiped his father while on Earth - he WAS talking TO his father, God. They are seperate from one another but two parts of one.

Oh.

Yes.

Right.

Absolutely.

Makes perfect sense.

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""The Father is God, and the Son is God and the Holy Ghost is God, and these three Gods make one god. The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten - just the same before as after. Christ is just as old as his father, and the father is just as young as his son. The Holy Ghost proceeded from the Father and Son, but was equal to the Father and Son before he ever existed, but nevertheless he is of the same age of the other two...............Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity.

Originally posted by Frogger
Freethinker is just a bitter, nasty little troll.....I am going to ignore him.


Ok.

Since you have zero refutation for Ingersoll's criticisms, and are absolutely incapable of explaining how the absurdity of the Trinity could make the slightest bit of sense to a sane person, it is easy to see why you prefer to withdraw from any discussion of it.

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The common fundamentalist dogma is fear of modern knowledge....That is why hate is the major fuel of the fundamentalist ideology, fear is the cement of the movement, and superstitious ignorance is the best defense they have against the dangerous new knowledge.........When you bring up arguments that cast serious doubts on their cherished beliefs you are not seen as having simply made a rhetorical point, you are in effect threatening their whole Universe and their immortality. No wonder they run shrieking in fear from the possibility of having to think about it........

Originally posted by Freethinker
I'm not really sure how that question can be answered, if what each of us thinks of as being **the spirit of man** is not the same thing.

I do not know what form you think the *spirit of man* might take, or what you think it is......but I can tell you that I have no belief in such things as "spirits".

Okay then, what do you think of the conscious and varying degrees of the subconscious incorporated into one person?

Originally posted by Evakian
Okay then, what do you think of the conscious and varying degrees of the subconscious incorporated into one person? Even better, what about multiple personalities? What if you had six, each with their own subconscious? Would that make a valid argument for the existence of a twelve-part God? And what would you call that anyway, a dodecrinity?

I think our(especially your)imaginatio of God isn't true.
God is free from want.he need nothing and no one.
if a man is(was) born then he need father and he isn't free from want, he isn't God

Originally posted by Freethinker
Oh.

Yes.

Right.

Absolutely.

Makes perfect sense.

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Free, I kinda feel as this is what your problem is.

You hide behind sarcasm and refuse to look at someones point of view.

The concept of trinity is not a real hard concept to grasp if you only allow yourself to be a...."freethinker."

Originally posted by Evakian
Okay then, what do you think of the conscious and varying degrees of the subconscious incorporated into one person?

They are simply aspects of man's physiological makeup.

What about them?

What about the homing reflex pigeons are born with?........does that mean they have a "spirit" inside them?? No.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
You hide behind sarcasm and refuse to look at someones point of view.

The sarcasm comes from my amusement with how so many people can be brainwashed into believing absurdities, to the extent that they lose sight of how insane those views are.

The "trinity" is a perfect example.

As to looking at people's point of view --- if you maintain that in the physical reality that we inhabit, one plus one plus one always equals three....EXCEPT when talking about supernatural, invisible deities, in which case one plus one plus one equals ONE, I will happily "look at" your point of view.

Then I will point out that you're suffering from a form of insanity.


Originally posted by jerejerebinks
The concept of trinity is not a real hard concept to grasp......

ROTFL.

It is not only resistant to being "grasped", it is impossible to explain in any rational way.

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""The Father is God, and the Son of that God is also the same God and the Holy Ghost is also that same God, yet these THREE seperate Gods are really just ONE god. The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten - just the same before as after. Christ is just as old as his father, and the father is just as young as his son. The Holy Ghost proceeded from the Father and Son, but was equal to the Father and Son before he ever existed, but nevertheless he is of the same age of the other two...............Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity.

Perhaps if Freethinker had six personalities the other five would be nicer than the one he exhibits when he now posts. There is no way they could be any nastier.

Originally posted by Freethinker
They are simply aspects of man's physiological makeup.

Why does that idea not carry over to the triune deity in Christianity?

What about them?

Not ascribing to a belief and not understanding it are two different things.

What about the homing reflex pigeons are born with?........does that mean they have a "spirit" inside them?? No.

I'm not talking about "spirits" or "souls" and anything of the like, just getting your take on the various types of conscious instinct and reflection man has in relation to the idea of three in one.

Christ is the son of God but is part of three in the trinity which represents one union of spirit. So when he worshiped his father while on Earth - he WAS talking TO his father, God. They are seperate from one another but two parts of one. y'know....Polytheism cloaked as monotheism.

Originally posted by Freethinker
The sarcasm comes from my amusement with how so many people can be brainwashed into believing absurdities, to the extent that they lose sight of how insane those views are.

While I dont buy that for a second - I will take the hook and ask you this.

What then is your reason for even posting in the religion section? If your mind is made up with such resolve that your only intention is to be rude and sarcastic what do you and most importantly the forum gain?

Originally posted by Freethinker
The "trinity" is a perfect example.

As to looking at people's point of view --- if you maintain that in the physical reality that we inhabit, one plus one plus one always equals three....EXCEPT when talking about supernatural, invisible deities, in which case one plus one plus one equals ONE, I will happily "look at" your point of view.

Then I will point out that you're suffering from a form of insanity.

Well the obvious flaw in your argument is there is no case of 1 plus 1 being three. There are, in fact, three persons that make up the 1 body. You are looking at Trinity as this sole person - when it is a just a coming together of three seperate forces.

What is so non comprehensive about that?




Originally posted by Freethinker
[B]ROTFL.

It is not only resistant to being "grasped", it is impossible to explain in any rational way.

See above.

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Originally posted by Freethinker
[B]""The Father is God, and the Son of that God is also the same God and the Holy Ghost is also that same God, yet these THREE seperate Gods are really just ONE god. The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten - just the same before as after. Christ is just as old as his father, and the father is just as young as his son. The Holy Ghost proceeded from the Father and Son, but was equal to the Father and Son before he ever existed, but nevertheless he is of the same age of the other two...............[b]Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity.


Again you are confusing "God" with "Trinity." "GOD" is the father of Christ. The Holy Ghost is a seperate spirit from those two bodies.

Its not hard to grasp at all that those three seperate persons represent a larger body. Is it difficult for you to grasp that the legislative, judicial, and executive branches form our federal and state governments? Its three seperates working as one.