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secondboy
01-29-2006, 01:24 PM
Chirac's nuclear faux pas
Source: Tehran Times, Iran


Last Thursday, in an address to the crew of Le Vigilant, a French submarine armed with nuclear weapons, French President Jacques Chirac displayed a terrible sense of theatrical humour, but, alas, no one is laughing. Rather, everyone is shocked.

In a reversal of France's longstanding nuclear doctrine, which had never envisioned the possibility of a first strike and had always designated nuclear weapons as a defensive option, Chirac said, "Leaders of any state that uses terrorist means against us, as well as any that may be envisaging, in one way or another, using weapons of mass destruction, must understand that they would be exposing themselves to a firm and appropriate response on our behalf." The French president stunned the civilized world by announcing that his country would consider using nuclear weapons against any country or nation deemed to have sponsored a terrorist attack against it.

What has happened to the once relatively moderate and independent European country and its leader, which only three years ago argued so convincingly in the UN against intervention in Iraq without international consensus and due legal process? Now the French president is telling the world that he could unleash nuclear weapons on any country that supposedly aided or abetted terrorist activities on French soil.

This is the biggest nuclear bombshell that France has detonated since developing advanced nuclear technology.

Most of France's 350 nuclear warheads are based on submarines, which are always on standby alert to deter aggressors from attacking France. The French allocate well over 10 per cent of their defence budget, over 3 billion euros ($3.62 billion) annually to maintain their nuclear arsenal. What a nuclear luxury for an indebted country! With so much money being spent on a prestige weapon, straining the French economy, and the Cold War over with no new enemy in sight, voices arose among the French people calling for a reduction of this enormous non-productive expenditure, but then Chirac found an imaginary enemy to threaten with nukes.

Until now, France only had the Cold War nuclear option of mutually assured destruction (MAD), according to which the response to a first strike by an enemy would be an overwhelming nuclear assault totally destroying the aggressor, which would most likely respond by destroying the attacked country, too. But today, with non-state actors conducting terrorist operations, the geopolitical landscape has changed dramatically, making this option no longer feasible. Seeking a credible nuclear deterrent for the modern era, Paris has adopted the threat of a limited nuclear war using tactical nuclear weapons.

The odd thing about the whole situation is that these plans are astonishingly similar to U.S. President George W. Bush's ideas about mini-nukes and Washington's doctrine of pre-emptive warfare.

Writer Paul Craig Roberts, who served in the Reagan administration as assistant secretary of the treasury, put forward a worrying thesis recently that the U.S. might decide to use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states and quoted a Pentagon document entitled "Doctrine for Joint Nuclear Operations", which "calls for the use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear adversaries in order 'to ensure success of U.S. and multi-national operations'."

http://www.sabawoon.com/newsnew/miniheadlines.asp?dismode=article&artid=27695

For some time there have been reports that the United States has been planning to develop a new generation of tactical nuclear weapons in violation of the terms of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and planned to team up with Israel to use the so-called mini-nukes in 'surgical strikes' against states and non-state actors. However, no one wanted to believe that any country could degrade itself to such an extent that it would even consider using the most horrible weapons against anyone in this day and age. Yet, it seems that the unthinkable is now thinkable, with the United States and its client states like France sinking to new depths of moral depravity.

And now, one of the countries of Rumsfeld's 'Old Europe' has taken a step further, with France declaring that it would consider using nuclear weapons against countries it believed were sponsors of terrorist acts against it. Imagine, had incidents similar to the London or Madrid bombings taken place in Paris, Chirac would have contemplated dropping one or two atom bombs on the country he believed was the culprit. In addition, due to its alliance with the U.S. in the so-called war on terrorism, if some misguided elements explode a few hand grenades at the Eiffel Tower, the Montparnasse Tower, the glass pyramid entrance to the Louvers, or the Arc de Triomphe, dealing a blow to France's grandeur and dignity, France might seek out rogue elements in Afghanistan, Palestine, Iraq, or the uncontrolled tribal areas of Pakistan to use 'smart', 'precise' French nukes to obliterate them.

Chirac said the new military doctrine is designed to cope with an increasingly dangerous and unpredictable world where the proliferation of chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear weapons could become the norm rather than the exception. Indeed, it looks like Chirac himself is determined to make this the norm. Shortly after winning the presidency in 1995, he ordered France's final nuclear tests in the South Pacific.

With his second and probably final term as president nearing its end, Chirac has formulated a dangerous military doctrine for France in the 21st century. Regardless of whether Chirac leaves office next year or not, he will have left an indelible mark on France's nuclear doctrine.


http://www.sabawoon.com/newsnew/miniheadlines.asp?dismode=article&artid=27695

DrewM
01-29-2006, 02:00 PM
Chirac is a very old fool trying to get re-elected.

astrapol2
02-01-2006, 08:29 AM
I don't think he will try to get reelected (although he would love to). His chances are too dim, he would make a fool of himself (not that ridicule has ever stopped him...)
But, as I said in another thread, I think he's trying to raise one of the issues where his leadership is still intact : foreign affairs and more specifically the atomic bomb. He badly needs anything that can prove he's still the boss, when his prime minister and most of all interior minister Sarkozy are getting the upper hand.

500lbguerilla
02-01-2006, 07:26 PM
Looks like Chirac got a Bush enema

Freethinker
02-01-2006, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by astrapol2

But, as I said in another thread, I think he (Chirac) is trying to raise one of the issues where his leadership is still intact : foreign affairs and more specifically the atomic bomb. He badly needs anything that can prove he's still the boss.......

Wow, astropol.......

I feel sorry for you and the nation of France. .

I mean, naturally, you EXPECT the imbecilic, pro-war crowd in America to flock to support the gorilla who acts the "toughest" and who beats his chest the loudest, but I truly would have thought the French people were far, FAR more intelligent than that.

The fact that Chirac would even think --rightly or wrongly-- that the French people would WANT some macho, posturing, --"If they mess with us, I will drop a nucler BOMB on them in response!!" -- cretin as their president is highly disturbing.

DrewM
02-01-2006, 08:49 PM
Oh well - scratch France off the list of countries Freethinker would rather live in than the US.

astrapol2
02-02-2006, 02:54 AM
Originally posted by Freethinker
Wow, astropol.......

I feel sorry for you and the nation of France. .

I mean, naturally, you EXPECT the imbecilic, pro-war crowd in America to flock to support the gorilla who acts the "toughest" and who beats his chest the loudest, but I truly would have thought the French people were far, FAR more intelligent than that.

The fact that Chirac would even think --rightly or wrongly-- that the French people would WANT some macho, posturing, --"If they mess with us, I will drop a nucler BOMB on them in response!!" -- cretin as their president is highly disturbing.

First, I really don't think that french people are more intelligent than american. Don't forget we put ourselves in the situation of having to choose between Chira (rightwing crook) and Le Pen (neo nazi brute) during the last presidential election.

I agree though that french opinion is probably much more reluctant to warmongering and macho attitudes. And probably less nationalist.

But that is not exactly the point IMO.
I think in fact Chirac tries to get the political debate on an issue where he has the upper hand. A huge majority of people agreed with his position against war in Iraq, and most people still trust him to be a wise leader on international affairs. Precisely beacause people know he's not likely to play war irresponsibly.
He just hopes papers will focus on that issue and will forget domestic problems about which he is not in such a good position.
In every nation, every political system, a leader's real power is correlated to the time he has still to stay in charge. Everybody knows that Chirac will be gone in 1 year and a half, and most politicians are already letting him down. So he turns on the only thing he still controls : the atomic button.

Reminding people France is a member of the "happy atomic few" and that he's in charge can only benefit him.

Freethinker
02-02-2006, 03:52 AM
Originally posted by DrewM
Oh well - scratch France off the list of countries Freethinker would rather live in than the US.

Not at all.

It is still on the list.

R. Crumb lives there, and that's provides a very strong recommendation.

astrapol2
02-02-2006, 04:39 AM
And he plays pretty good jazz/musette.
I saw him live a few years ago in a bizarre band in which he played a big part. I recommand it to everyone (hardly available in France however, I'm afraid it's hard to find in the USA - but try P2P networks...)
http://www.cdroots.com/hm-primitifs.jpg

http://www.moorsmagazine.com/images/img144.jpg

Freethinker
02-02-2006, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by astrapol2
And he plays pretty good jazz/musette.
I saw him live a few years ago in a bizarre band in which he played a big part. ........

ahh yes.....the *Cheap Suit Serenaders*, or the Primitives of the Future, no doubt........

The Praetorian
02-02-2006, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by Freethinker
R. Crumb lives there, and that's provides a very strong recommendation.
Yeah, and so does Roman Polanski. I bet you two would get along like peas in a pod. After America told him he couldn't have sex with minors, he sought out a more progressive country.