a place where the rich are patted on the back for helping the economy by being rich and/or getting rich.

they are given tax breaks while the poor can barely survive. they bitch about having to help the poor, and at the same time are against raising minimum wage. they claim it will be bad for the economy because prices will go up, and at the same time they get yearly raises, and more bonuses and benefits.

welcome to amerika where the politicians work for the rich. they give them tax breaks while the poor are not worthy of the use of taxes paid. politicians vote themselves a raise and the poor are not allowed one. politicians can't fix social security and dip into it to pay for other government services, like blowing people up, while they have a nice retirement fund for themselves.

welcome to amerika where the rich are treated as celebrities, royalty, and gods. and the poor are treated like dirt.

welcome to amerika, a "christian" nation.

welcome to america, home of stale, left over and regurgitated propaganda that has no basis in fact, and the broken records who willingly repeat it

Originally posted by Travh20
welcome to america, home of stale, left over and regurgitated propaganda that has no basis in fact, and the broken records who willingly repeat it

home of the droning repeated answer.

Welcome to America where people like Ivan can post drivel like this without fear of reprisals or repercussions.

Originally posted by ivan
home of the droning repeated answer.




:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Originally posted by Frogger
Welcome to America where people like Ivan can post drivel like this without fear of reprisals or repercussions.
Except for hoards of people like you who try to shout him down so the rest of us can't hear what he has to say.

Originally posted by Frogger
Welcome to America where people like Ivan can post drivel like this without fear of reprisals or repercussions.

Exactly my thought also.

Welcome to America where people can whine, complain, cry, take no personal responsibility for their life and offer nothing of value to society and yet still have a far better standard of living than 90% of the rest of the worlds population.

Originally posted by ivan
home of the droning repeated answer.


Tit for tat,

droning, repeated answer for a droning repeated, cry-me-a-river comment.

When your life has been adversely affected by malnutrition, disease and murderous terrorists, please speak from experience.

Originally posted by DrewM
Welcome to America where people can whine, complain, cry, take no personal responsibility for their life and offer nothing of value to society and yet still have a far better standard of living than 90% of the rest of the worlds population.
….. although your underprivileged, homeless, and starving are just as unfortunate
as those in the bottom 5% percent of the worlds population. Have you ever been to Geary Street in down-town San Francisco?

Anyway, are you bragging or complaining? You are clearly not sure because there is an obvious contradiction in your tone.

:lolhit:

Originally posted by Catch 3
Except for hoards of people like you who try to shout him down so the rest of us can't hear what he has to say.

It is text on a computer screen, what is Frogger doing? Painting over your monitor?

although your underprivileged, homeless, and starving are just as unfortunate
as those in the bottom 5% percent of the worlds population.

Does the bottom 5% of the world populace have the ability to get money and/or aid from government services, charities, and shelters? Or have the capability to seek for employment at anytime?

Originally posted by Evakian
Does the bottom 5% of the world populace have the ability to get money and/or aid from government services, charities, and shelters? Or have the capability to seek for employment at anytime?
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt in assuming that your post has a purpose, but you know, I just can't see it. :confused:

Welcome to America....


where a man can rise from humble beginnings and fulfill his destiny

where blacks, whites, Asians and Latinos can sit down together in a classroom, for free

welcome to America--always the first nation to lend a helping hand when others need help

where, despite a poor economy, a new record was set in giving to charity

home of NASA, Cal Tech, MIT, the University of Chicago, where bright minds are encouraged

where a man can say what he wants, go where he wants, believe what he wants, live where he wants, all within the very minimal law

the Arsenal of Democracy, the last best hope on Earth....where a man can stand up for what he believes and live up to the Revolutionary ideal of 1776 as long as he has the courage to dream and to work...so that these dead shall not have died in vain

home of autumn college football games, sandlot baseball, rock and roll, Route 66, mom and pop grocery stores, roadway diners, 4th of July parades with little kids riding decorated bikes

Welcome to America, the land that never has been yet, and yet must be.

Originally posted by rendova
Welcome to America....


where a man can rise from humble beginnings and fulfill his destiny

OR WHERE HIS WIFE MAY MURDER HIM FOR THE INSURANCE MONEY BECAUSE THE AMERICAN DREAM IS TO ACQUIRE "WEATH" AND NOTHING MORE

where blacks, whites, Asians and Latinos can sit down together in a classroom, for free

IN A LOW-LEVEL, GHETTO WHERE THE STANDARDS ARE AS BAD AS BANGLADESH AND WHEN THEY FIND THEIR WAY TO THE MESSAGE BOARD ALL THEY CAN DO IS SPOUT OFF FALSE AMERICAN PROPAGANDA, 'CAUSE THAT'S JUST ABOUT ALL THEY LEARNED IN SCHOOL.

--always the first nation to lend a helping hand when others need help

WHO TOLD YOU THAT LIE?

where, despite a poor economy, a new record was set in giving to charity

NATIONALLY OR IDIVIDUALLY?

where bright minds are encouraged

WHERE BIRGHT MINDS ARE BRIBBED BY STEALING THEM AWAY FROM THEIR COUNTRIES OF ORIGINE BY FAT PAYCHECKS WHILE SOME AMERICANS CITIZENS LIVE IN SQALLOUR.

where a man can say what he wants, go where he wants, believe what he wants, live where he wants, all within the very minimal law

EXCEPT FOR WHATEVER COUNTRY IT IS THAT THE US BANS ITS CITIZENS FROM VITISTING. (JUST NOW IT IS CUBA. BUT THERE HAVE BEEN MANY OTHERS). AMERICA ALSO FORBIDS ITS' CITIZENS FROM WORKING IN GOVERNMENT OR MILITARY POSTIONS IN ANY OTHER COUNTRY.

the Arsenal of Democracy, the last best hope on Earth...

DEMOCRACY MY ASS. ANY NORTH EUROPEAN COUNTRY HAS GREATER DEMOCRATIC POSSIBLITIES THAN ANY AMERICAN HAS EVER SEEN.

...so that these dead shall not have died in vain

YOU MEAN BY THE SLAUGHTER OF ALL THOSE NATIVE AMERICAN INDIANS AND ALL OF THOSE BLACKS HANGING FROM THE MAGNOLIA TREES?

roadway diners,

CAN'T ARGUE WITH YOU ON THAT ONE! MMMMMMMM!

4th of July parades with little kids riding decorated bikes

YEAH, BECAUSE CHILDREN OF OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE NEVER EVEN SEEN A BYCYCLE, RIGHT?

LOL, rather what
I expected from someone who wants to oversee a "democratic" Communist overthrow of America!!!!!

Goodness, you're boring, catch. Can't you
EVER post a single thing besides your inane "I hate America" stuff we're all tired of reading? (or at least I am...)

Originally posted by Catch 3
….. although your underprivileged, homeless, and starving are just as unfortunate
as those in the bottom 5% percent of the worlds population. Have you ever been to Geary Street in down-town San Francisco?

Anyway, are you bragging or complaining? You are clearly not sure because there is an obvious contradiction in your tone.

:lolhit:

There's no contradiction. Even the poor in America have it better than most of the people in the world, San Francisco or anywhere. San Francisco has no monopoly on poor people.

OK, Catch 3, just what do you have against the United States? Didn't get laid when you were here visiting? Get stuck with a rotten waiter at a diner?

I think the answer is jealousy.

It still amazes me that even with a balance of critique AND praise, the only thing some of you idiots can do is stir the hat with a stick and come up with “I hate America”.

Fools. Just illiterate fools with weak characters and inferiority complexes.

Originally posted by ivan
a place where the rich are patted on the back for helping the economy by being rich and/or getting rich.

they are given tax breaks while the poor can barely survive. they bitch about having to help the poor, and at the same time are against raising minimum wage. they claim it will be bad for the economy because prices will go up, and at the same time they get yearly raises, and more bonuses and benefits.

welcome to amerika where the politicians work for the rich. they give them tax breaks while the poor are not worthy of the use of taxes paid. politicians vote themselves a raise and the poor are not allowed one. politicians can't fix social security and dip into it to pay for other government services, like blowing people up, while they have a nice retirement fund for themselves.

welcome to amerika where the rich are treated as celebrities, royalty, and gods. and the poor are treated like dirt.

welcome to amerika, a "christian" nation.

Ivan I can see your point of view, I also think some folks are getting America of yesteryear mixed up with America of today.

Originally posted by rendova
Can't you
EVER post a single thing besides your inane "I hate America" stuff
Oh! You’re going to cry now, huh?

In answer to your question, you’d have to ignore all of my other posts on all the other threads in order to say that I hate Amerika. I never said that I hate Amerika but you can beat yourself up repeating it until your lips fall off. But it won’t make it true, anyway.

You’re just mouth-foaming furious because you smashed your telephone against the wall after trying (again and again and again) to ring the telephone number in my sig. I knew it would be you who'd fall for it!
:banana: :woohoo:

Gosh, snitch, I don't think I'll cry. That's YOUR specialty, ya pathetic bedwetting sissyboy.
But I'd be glad to give you a tour of my gracious hometown, Gary, Indiana, murder capital of the world, so you can get a nice firsthand view of how truly depraved and barbaric we really are!


Your sweetie XXXooo

Originally posted by rendova
But I'd be glad to give you a tour of my gracious hometown, Gary, Indiana

Gary, Indiana!
What a wonderful name,
Named for Elbert Gary of judiciary fame.
Gary, Indiana, as a Shakespeare would say,
Trips along softly on the tongue this way,
Gary, Indiana, Gary Indiana, Gary, Indiana...

LOL, Evak, it did me good to recall that old song!

W'ere poor, but at least we're dysfunctional. Nice, too.:)

Originally posted by Catch 3
Except for hoards of people like you who try to shout him down so the rest of us can't hear what he has to say.

like the idiots whoa re going to bang pots and pans in fromt of the capitol to try and drown out the presidents SOTU adress?

Originally posted by Travh20
like the idiots whoa re going to bang pots and pans in fromt of the capitol to try and drown out the presidents SOTU adress?

Rumor has it that Kennedy and Pelosi like to hang out in back alleys on Saturday nights banging on trash cans with bum street performers, don't ruin their fun.

I think they are patrolling the alleys for any coat hanger abortionists who might be trying to horn in on their buisness

catch, are you going to answer my question?

Originally posted by es347fan
catch, are you going to answer my question?
Yes, of course!

Drew got it right: I’m jealous. Rendova pointed out that it is only American children who have bicycles in the world and envy just naturally got the best of me. But can you blame me? Why can't other children of the planet have bicycles too?

Rendova
You are just like a clump of seaweed stuck to the end of an oar, midway between Gary and Kenosha, except for the fact that you are infinitely less useful.

Seaweed in Lake Michigan?

The only interesting things we have in our lake are skeletons lying on the bottom, wearing concrete shoes.

Originally posted by rendova
Seaweed in Lake Michigan?

As I said " ... you are infinitely less useful"

Originally posted by Catch 3
As I said " ... you are infinitely less useful"

LOL, you have a nice day too, Bubba.

Originally posted by Catch 3
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt in assuming that your post has a purpose, but you know, I just can't see it. :confused:

This post illustrates part of your problem. You are so egocentric you cannot see the other person's point of view or even fathom how someone can have a point of view different from your own.

Oh, bye the way, catch, they call it seaweed because it is found in the sea. Gary is quite far from any sea. If you are going to insult people at least do it with correct usage.

Originally posted by es347fan
catch, are you going to answer my question?
I don’t see what the problem is.

Rendova wrote what she sees (in her mind) to be special, or unique, about the U.S. In other words, she is making a general comparison of the world and, in her own words, laying out what she thinks is particular to the U.S.

I have done the very same thing. I made an honest, itemised reply to all points. Did you actually read what I wrote? Did you find something in my words that is untrue or dishonest?

If someone makes a good point, I usually express my support. If someone lies, I think I ought to protest. If I see misinformation being spread around, I feel it is my obligation as an international citizen to correct it. That concern is particularly valid as allForums is an international meeting place where “heads up” understanding should be one of the most important goals.

I exercised my right, as a member of this board, to say what I thought needed saying. That gave me satisfaction and so I see no problem - but if you see one then I suppose that it must be yours’. By reading your first reaction to my post I don’t think there is much doubt about it either….

Originally posted by es347fan
Didn't get laid when you were here visiting? Get stuck with a rotten waiter at a diner?
Why the personal insinuations? I made not one such single personal attack towards you or towards Rendova in my original post. So what gives you the arrogant reasoning to you think that it’s an admirable thing for you to do?

Catch3,
I basically agree about most of your posts.
I just think you could sometimes try to be nicer with people...
It is quite understandable that people will react badly to your posts if they feel you only want to confront them. Of course you may not give a damn aboit what people think of you, but I feel it's unfair towards at least a certain number of people here, whose opinion may differ from yours but who you could eventually find to be quite nice people anyway. Don't blow your chances to become a welcome and listened member of this forum by appearing unnecessarily agressive ! We have enough members who fit this description already, but I'm sure you deserve better.

Originally posted by astrapol2
" ... but I feel it's unfair towards at least a certain number of people here ... "
For example ......

I think Catch ought ta post anything and everything he wants. If he gets out of line, the moderators will take it up with him. Other than that, he should be free to pursue whatever sorts of interactions with people he wants.

And if you want unnecessary aggression, take a gander at my first few weeks here.

As long as he isn't breaking any rules, I don't see any problems.

Originally posted by Napsterbater
I think Catch ought ta post anything and everything he wants. If he gets out of line, the moderators will take it up with him. Other than that, he should be free to pursue whatever sorts of interactions with people he wants.

And if you want unnecessary aggression, take a gander at my first few weeks here.

As long as he isn't breaking any rules, I don't see any problems.

Napsterbater

Using you as am exemplar of what a good poster should be is like using a badger to show what a good pet should act like. You brag about posting at times simply to be confrontational and seem to revel is stirring the pot.

I love it. It makes for great conversation. Who wants everybody to sit around and agree with each other all the time?

And you can't get a good stew unless you stir the pot from time to time.

Originally posted by Napsterbater
I love it. It makes for great conversation. Who wants everybody to sit around and agree with each other all the time?

And you can't get a good stew unless you stir the pot from time to time.
It is almost unfortunate, really, but it is true. Look at my thread "American Junk Food" – NOTHING! I just stuck the ladle into the pot without stirring it. People want to see criticism I suppose.

Originally posted by mad dog
Ivan I can see your point of view, I also think some folks are getting America of yesteryear mixed up with America of today.

amerika of yesteryear influences amerika of today. it has not reconsiled itself with its racism, violence, slavery, lies, deceit, murder, treachery, and theivery. the rhetoric of the rich white boy and those who follow his lead towards the poor and/or non-white of the past is the same old song and dance you hear today.

http://www.november.org/razorwire/rzold/25/page4.html

Originally posted by Travh20
welcome to america, home of stale, left over and regurgitated propaganda that has no basis in fact, and the broken records who willingly repeat it

ahem now eat those words trav boy. this is only a taste i can hand you on a big tarnished silver platter.

bush's energy policy act HANDED "big oil" billions of dollars WHILE they were recording huge profits.
:hitout:

Originally posted by astrapol2
Catch3,
I basically agree about most of your posts.
Why am I not surprised...
Originally posted by astrapol2
I just think you could sometimes try to be nicer with people...
It is quite understandable that people will react badly to your posts if they feel you only want to confront them.
What? A confrontational Swede??? Perish the thought. I mean, after all, Catch3 said Swedes don't get cunty with people, so I guess that's all the proof I need.

Originally posted by ivan
ahem now eat those words trav boy. this is only a taste i can hand you on a big tarnished silver platter.

bush's energy policy act HANDED "big oil" billions of dollars WHILE they were recording huge profits.
:hitout:


ya? and the left wing method of stopping teen pregnancy and STD's hands huge profit to "big condom", whats your point?

Originally posted by Catch 3
Fools. Just illiterate fools with weak characters and inferiority complexes.

True, Catch3.

I think the last portion of that, though, is the key; it never ceases to amaze me how many people in America --as evidenced by a cross section on these boards-- will, upon hearing ANY ctiticism for what is happening in America, immediately set up an intense howl of indignation, closely followed by the ever-present claim that the person who voiced said criticism is guilty of harboring an abject "hatred for America!!!!".

It reminds me of a situation wherein one person might tell another person--- "You know, the Chicago White
Sox defeated the Houston Astros in the World Series last year" -- and the person it was said to responds by screaming back --"Yes, but WHY would you SAY such a thing?!?!?..... it's obvious to me now that you HATE the Houston Astros!!!....Why oh why?!? do you hate them so?!?!?"

I love how freethinker and catch 3 do nothing but bash the US and when someone says something they get all bent out of shape and say "we cant even mention anything bad about the US" WTF? you do not simply mention some criticism, you attack the government and the majority of the citizens as idiots and fools, should we just sit there and say "your right, we should just thrown in the towel and elect freethinker to fix all our problems"? what you are seeing is people defending themselves from your attacks, not people trying to silence your sincere concern for the welfare of the union.

There is critique of the US - which is fair enough, nowhere is perfect, but then there is outright twisted hatred for the US - totally different thing.

For Freethinker in particular, the level of your hatred doesn't add up to any equation where the output is close to sane. Much of the critique could be taken and debated quite successfully, afterall there are many elements of truth in his fever - but you can't dabate this type of thinking - they are all black & white, controls stuck on max & if you're not stuck on max with them then apparently you are a mindless fool that just "doesn't understand" - as if what they state is complexity beyond mere mortals comprehension.

Allforums is not a therapists couch - I think for some people though it is a 3rd rate substiution of the real therapy they need.

Originally posted by Travh20
I love how freethinker and catch 3 do nothing but bash the US .....
"Do nothing but .... "
….. and yet you talk of the lack of “FACT” when you speak about others! What a twit.

Originally posted by Freethinker
it never ceases to amaze me how many people in America --as evidenced by a cross section on these boards-- will, upon hearing ANY ctiticism for what is happening in America, immediately set up an intense howl of indignation, closely followed by the ever-present claim that the person who voiced said criticism is guilty of harboring an abject "hatred for America!!!!"
Your insight is often underestimated FreeThinker but there are those on this board who appreciate what you have to say.

It is amazing to me that some call you “anti-American”. If they would just sit calmly and read what you have to say then they would see the caring frustration in your words that your countrymen are in such a fuddled mind.

Don’t give up FreeThinker! People like you are growing in number and eventually you will triumph and save the U.S. from utter ruin. Then they’ll all be saying, “Yeah. I remember when ‘we’ were fighting an uphill battle.” Yep. They’ll all be trying to take the credit.

Originally posted by Travh20
ya? and the left wing method of stopping teen pregnancy and STD's hands huge profit to "big condom", whats your point?

you just don't get it trav.

Originally posted by DrewM
There is critique of the US - which is fair enough, nowhere is perfect, but then there is outright twisted hatred for the US - totally different thing.

For Freethinker in particular, the level of your hatred doesn't add up to any equation where the output is close to sane. Much of the critique could be taken and debated quite successfully, afterall there are many elements of truth in his fever - but you can't dabate this type of thinking - they are all black & white, controls stuck on max & if you're not stuck on max with them then apparently you are a mindless fool that just "doesn't understand" - as if what they state is complexity beyond mere mortals comprehension.

Allforums is not a therapists couch - I think for some people though it is a 3rd rate substiution of the real therapy they need.
That's it exactly, and anyone who sees the situation differently is a fucking dolt.

This thread is a waste of time.

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