Great words from our Fearless Leader :D

They misunderestimated me.
- US President George W. Bush (November 6, 2000 in Bentonville, Arkansas)

Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.
- US President George W. Bush (August 5, 2004)

You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.
- US President George W. Bush (2000?)

Reading is the basics for all learning.
- US President George W. Bush (Discussing his "Reading First" plan in Reston, Virginia, March 28, 2000)

Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?
- US President George W. Bush (January 11, 2000)

My views are one that speaks to freedom.
- US President George W. Bush (in Washington, D.C. on Jan. 29, 2004)

And it's a struggle between good and it's a struggle between evil.
- US President George W. Bush in a speech (on terrorism) to the Cattle Industry Annual Convention and Trade Show at the Denver Convention Center (February 8, 2002)

We cannot let terrorists hold this nation hostile or hold our allies hostile.
- US President George W. Bush (2000 in Des Moines, Iowa)

Our nation must come together to unite.
- US President George W. Bush (June 4, 2001)

If you choose to do so, when Iraq is liberated, you will be treated, tried and persecuted as a war criminal.
- US President George W. Bush (In St. Louis on January 22, 2003, he likely meant 'prosecuted.' Just for the record Bill O'reilly made the same mistake on his TV show The O'reilly Factor in August 2004)

Will the highways on the Internet become more few?
- US President George W. Bush (Concord, New Hampshire, January 29, 2000)

If you don't stand for anything, you don't stand for anything!
- US President George W. Bush (November 2, 2000 at Bellevue Community College)

I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully.
- US President George W. Bush (September 29, 2000 in Saginaw, Michigan)

I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family
- US President George W. Bush (January 27, 2000 in New Hampshire)

This very week in 1989, there were protests in East Berlin and in Leipzig. By the end of that year, every communist dictatorship in Central America had collapsed.
- US President George W. Bush (November 6, 2003 in Washington, D.C.)

Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream.
- US President George W. Bush (October 2000)

I think we agree, the past is over.
- US President George W. Bush (May 10, 2000)

Jesus! :@@:

And that is only when they let him open his mouth - imagine if Georgie Boy had free control of the mic like Cheney.

Originally posted by DrewM
..... imagine if Georgie Boy had free control of the mic ...
Please tell me it would be televised "live". :)

Gee, it really must burn you guys up that such a awkward speaking guy like W somehow got elected TWICE in spite of the best efforts of the Media, the Democrats, various disgruntled Washington types that have written scathing books on how Bush is screwing up the country yet again and last, but not least, the moveon.org folk that have the utmost in vicious hate for ol' Georgie. Oh, and he's packing the court with conservatives.

You could imagine what would be going on if we had another (hats off please!) Ronaldus Maximus in the Whitehouse.

Dammit.

Darth

Not since the days of JFK has the media gone so easy on a President. They have given him a pass on damn near every lie he has told. And while Bush is a mediocre intellect at best, the people who control him and masterminded the propaganda campaigns that got him elected are far from stupid. What really burns me up are seemingly intelligent people like yourself who cannot see how they are being manipulated.

He might have a foot in his mouth - but where does the evidence come from that he lied? This just makes me laugh - so many people talk about him lying like its a given. I have never seen a single shred of any evidence to suggest he blatantly lied about anything. I'm not saying he did not lie - just show me the proof.

"Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution."

- George Bush 4/20/2004

Yes - if the quote is correct - that's a good example of a lie I must admit.

Why is this in politics, not humor?

Originally posted by DrewM
Yes - if the quote is correct - that's a good example of a lie I must admit. I beg your pardon.

Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/04/20040420-2.html

What Dubbya COULDA said:



"You teach a child to read, and we Repubs can just say, "Don't believe everything you read..."




Common tactic observed by those not as dumb-ass them...



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Stop heaping scorn on Dubya! He served his country during 'Nam!
Why, when that copier at Guard HQ ran out of paper he was the first one to replace it. Eventually. After the Banana Splits and his third or fourth six-pack.

Originally posted by Catch 3
Please tell me it would be televised "live". :)

YOU can make it happen (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00062L8WG/qid=1139357706/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-5699969-5130258?s=dvd&v=glance&n=130) :D

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"I don't remember debates. I don't think we spent a lot of time debating it. Maybe we did, but I don't remember." — On discussions of the Vietnam War when he was an undergraduate at Yale, Washington Post, July 27, 1999

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"For a century and a half now, America and Japan have formed one of the great and enduring alliances of modern times." — Tokyo, Japan, Feb. 18, 2002

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"I'm also not very analytical. You know I don't spend a lot of time thinking about myself, about why I do things." — Aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003

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"It's very interesting when you think about it, the slaves who left here to go to America, because of their steadfast and their religion and their belief in freedom, helped change America." — Dakar, Senegal, July 8, 2003 :@@:

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He's got a MILLION of 'em (http://www.slate.com/id/76886/)!!!!!!!! :D

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
You could imagine what would be going on if we had another (hats off please!) Ronaldus Maximus in the Whitehouse.
Oh, yeah.........we'd be in GREAT shape (http://www.converge.org.nz/lac/articles/news990610b.htm).........and, all the terrorists would be magically morphed into Communists! :rolleyes:

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"Despite his aw shucks style, Reagan found virtually every anticommunist action justified, no matter how brutal. From his eight years in the White House, there is no historical indication that he was troubled by the bloodbath and even genocide that occurred in Central America during his presidency, while he was shipping hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid to the implicated forces."

Originally posted by sedan
Darth

Not since the days of JFK has the media gone so easy on a President. They have given him a pass on damn near every lie he has told.
Hey.......c'mon.......he's USED to "passes" (http://www.axisoflogic.com/cgi-bin/exec/view.pl?archive=43&num=5089)!!!

"Those who encountered Bush in Alabama remember him as an affable social drinker who acted younger than his 26 years. Referred to as George Bush, Jr. by newspapers in those days, sources say he also tended to show up late every day, around noon or one, at Blount's campaign headquarters in Montgomery. They say Bush would prop his cowboy boots on a desk and brag about how much he drank the night before.

They also remember Bush's stories about how the New Haven, Connecticut police always let him go, after he told them his name, when they stopped him "all the time" for driving drunk as a student at Yale in the late 1960s."

Originally posted by DrewM
He might have a foot in his mouth - but where does the evidence come from that he lied? This just makes me laugh - so many people talk about him lying like its a given. I have never seen a single shred of any evidence to suggest he blatantly lied about anything. I'm not saying he did not lie - just show me the proof.

Heyyyyyyyyyyy...... no PROB (http://www.thetruthaboutgeorge.com/lies/index.html)!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by boykorda
Stop heaping scorn on Dubya! He served his country during 'Nam!
Yeah.........in The Guard!!!!


http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bush_serving_beer.jpg

i really dont think Bush is "getting it easy" like was suggested....

The thing about nowadays is that the age of "debating" as we know it is over... its all about being right. Politics is all about your party being right, there is no debating anymore.

the funny thing is, as much as they complain about what little Bush supposedly served in the military, Shaman and the rest couldn't even do that. why don't you tell us about your brilliant Air National Guard service Shaman? Oh ya, you were to chicken shit to even join the Air National Guard.

Well, it ain't like everybody's got a wealthy politician as a father, who can keep you out of combat duty...

Oh ya, you were to chicken shit to even join the Air National Guard.
Democrats
Representative Jack Murtha (D-PA) - distinguished 37-year career in the U.S. Marine Corps, Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, retired from the Marine Corps Reserve as a colonel in 1990.
Representative Richard Gephardt, former House Minority Leader - Missouri Air National Guard, 1965-71.
Representative David Bonior - Staff Sgt., United States Air Force 1968-72
Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle - 1st Lt., U.S. Air Force SAC 1969-72
Former Senator Bob Kerrey... Democrat... Lt. j.g., U.S. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam
Senator Daniel Inouye, US Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, World War Two
Senator John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for combat service
Representative Charles Rangel, Staff Sgt., U.S. Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea
Former Senator Max Cleland, Captain, U.S. Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam
Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) - U.S. Army, 1951-1953.
Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) - Lt., U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
Senator Jack Reed (D-RI) - U.S. Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91
Senator Fritz Hollings (D-SC) - served as a U.S. Army officer in World War II, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
Representative Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - Lt. Col., U.S. Army 1956-76; two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal.
Former Representative "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit.
Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: Staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade, U.S. Army; was wounded and received a Purple Heart.
Bill McBride, Democratic Candidate for Florida Governor - volunteered and served as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam; awarded Bronze Star with a combat "V."
Gray Davis, former California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze Star.
Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force 1955-57
Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate - lengthy military career.

Republicans
Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve . "So many minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself."
House Majority Whip Roy Blunt - did not serve
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve.
Majority Whip Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve
Rick Santorum, R-PA, third ranking Republican in the Senate - did not serve.
Former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve.
GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war."
VP Cheney - Five deferments , the last by marriage (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service")
Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve ; received seven deferment to teach business ed at SW Missouri State
Jeb Bush, Florida Governor - did not serve.
Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve
Former President Ronald Reagan - due to poor eyesight, served in a noncombat role making movies for the Army in southern California during WWII. He later seems to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the real thing.
"B-1" Bob Dornan - avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in college acting classes (Orange County Weekly article). Enlisted only after the fighting was over in Korea.
Phil Gramm - avoided the draft, did not serve, four (?) student deferments

George Will, did not serve
Chris Matthews, did not serve.
Bill O'Reilly, did not serve
Paul Gigot, did not serve.
Bill Bennett, Did not serve
Pat Buchanan, did not serve
Rush Limbaugh, did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst')
Pat Robertson - claimed during 1986 campaign to be a "combat veteran." In reality, was a "Liquor Officer."
Bill Kristol, did not serve
Sean Hannity, did not serve.
Kenneth Starr, did not serve
Antonin Scalia, did not serve
Clarence Thomas, did not serve
Ralph Reed, did not serve
Michael Medved, did not serve
Ted Nugent, did not serve


http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html

it seems the people most pissed off about Bush's National Guard service are those who never served and those who couldnt make it. Look at it this way, at least he didnt run off to canada or england.

How is Bushs service relevant to anything going on today anyway? when hillary is president will you people attack her for not having served at all? somehow I dont think so. Its just another 3rd grade level attack on the guys character, nothing more. grow up.


oh ya, fluffernutter should add his name below Hastert under the heading "mommas boy who likes to point out other peoples lack of service form the safety of his den"

Democrats made it an issue when they decided they wanted to challenge Bush's credentials to defend America, that being the only political platform Bush was still stong in at the time. Now we have presidential candidates like John Kerry who otherwise would probably have never made such a big deal out of his military service, making another one out of Bush's National Guard service for the same reason.

Originally posted by Mr. Shaman
Yeah.........in The Guard!!!!


http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bush_serving_beer.jpg
At least he's drinking Franziskaner. Bonus point for Bush.

unless the president himself goes out there and commands armies or commands ships I dont see what direct military experience does for any president besides the "I know what it is like so I will think twice about sending troops to war" thing, which should have no place in the decision if the United States enters armed conflict. Emotions have no place in decisions like that.

George Bush himself never claimed he was a great war hero or that he somehow went above and beyond, like you said, democrats looking to smear him brought it up (with a little help from Dan Rather). John kerry decided to put his lackluster service and all that followed it front and center as the centerpiece of his campaign, opening himself up to criticism he neither expected nor was prepared to defend himself from. He saw it as a bulletproof vest but instead became a target. When Kerry swift boat began to sink, so to speak, that is when the Bush NG serice took on a more frantic tone from the media whow ere trying to cover Kerrys flaws, they even went so far as to forge documents about Bush and put them on 60 minutes.

they even went so far as to forge documents about Bush and put them on 60 minutes.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that was a coordinated effort on the part of Democrats, but otherwise, I more or less agree with the rest.

Originally posted by Travh20
How is Bushs service relevant to anything going on today anyway? when hillary is president will you people attack her for not having served at all? somehow I dont think so. Its just another 3rd grade level attack on the guys character, nothing more. grow up.Seems to me Republicans made it a huge issue in 1992. Was that a 3rd grade level attack as well? Aside from that, you're right about Kerry. The man was 'lost in the headlights' time and again. There's no excuse for that when you're running against a lightweight like Bush.

they even went so far as to forge documents about Bush and put them on 60 minutes.

Originally posted by Napsterbater
I wouldn't go so far as to say that was a coordinated effort on the part of Democrats, but otherwise, I more or less agree with the rest.

Don't be so quick to fall for the bullshit, Napster.

The "forged" documents had to do with some bizarre contention on the part of the GOP that the typeface didn't match some criteria or other of theirs.

At ANY rate, the truth or falsity of the particular documents in question, no matter which way they might direct someone , has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that GWBush WAS A.W.O.L. from the Air National Guard.

The GOP, masterfully, was able to make the entire issue seem to revolve around the questionable documents, while they performed an unbelievable sleight-of-hand feat, and directed the attention of the moronic American Public away from the fact that Bush WAS, indeed, AWOL.

GWBush WAS A.W.O.L. from the Air National Guard.

Travh's post was making the argument that Bush's military service just doesn't matter, and that all it is is a series of character attacks on him.

I agree that it is pretty much politics as usual, just like all that Swift Boat bullshit on Kerry. I really have more important things to worry about.

And what's the use of attacking his character anymore? It isn't like he's up for reelection again. He's a bumbling nitwit, backed up by some scary corporate ass-kissers. That's really all that needs to be said about his presidency. Time to look ahead.

Maybe he was A.W.O.L. So what? I got kicked out of the Air Force. That wouldn't make me less qualified to run this country.

Originally posted by Napsterbater
Time to look ahead ... that wouldn't make me less qualified to run this country. Naptserbater in 2020! Have you chosen a running-mate yet?

So.. i saw a list of democrats who served and republicans who didn't... what about the republicans who served and the democrats who didnt?

Originally posted by Freethinker
The "forged" documents had to do with some bizarre contention on the part of the GOP that the typeface didn't match some criteria or other of theirs.


The contention was that the font on the document was proportional - smaller letters took up less room than larger letters - which is something that word processors, and this website, do. Typewriters, with the apparent exception of one really expensive model, give the same amount of space to a letter regardless of the letter, so every line will always have the same number of characters. Doesn't seem like a bizarre contention to me.