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Freethinker
01-23-2006, 09:17 AM
http://www.countercurrents.org/us-srivastava200106.htm

Imperialism And Infinite Guilt
-------------By Asim Srivastava

Imagine a school classroom in which the teacher is conducting a discussion with her students. The problem to be solved is the following one: a suspected murderer is hiding in a village of some few thousand people in a foreign country and the government needs to catch him and bring him to trial. How best is this to be achieved, while giving the innocent villagers the least headache?

A student responds that the government might ask the government of the country in which the village is located to consider sending a contingent of armed security forces to surround the village, send a team of security men in with an accurate description (and photograph, if one is available) of the suspect, and it should be fairly straightforward to apprehend the person. Some hostile words may be exchanged or perhaps there may be some bullets flying around, possibly putting some innocents at risk in the crossfire. But given enough force, the damage to the village would be minimal and the government should have no trouble getting hold of the man in question. If need be, a contingent of security forces could be sent from the requesting country. The teacher is not satisfied with the answer.

Another student responds that the government may be asked to consider combining an armed siege of the village with an attractive commercial offer to any villager to hand over the suspect to the auhorities. This way the physical risk will be borne by a person willing to do so. The teacher finds this a more viable idea, but still appears to be unhappy.

The students are bewildered. What else could the government do, they wonder aloud, to catch the suspected murderer? The teacher responds that the government could order a military airstrike - a bombing - on the village. It would be far more swift and effective.

The students look even more bewildered than before. They query their teacher. Drop a bomb from the air to kill one suspected murderer in a foreign country, and that too without trial? Who outside a lunatic asylum would contemplate such a solution? Apart from anything else, wouldn´t it be regarded as an unprovoked act of a aggression, if not an outright invasion of a foreign country? Moreover, how can you be sure that the targetted man is even culpable, without a trial? Finally, most importantly, would you not be killing several innocent people, including women and children in the process, destroying their houses and workplaces while you are about it too?

It is the teacher's turn to look surprised. Haven't you heard of collateral damage, kiddos? No modern war can be fought without incurring some. If the government is dealing with murderers it is fighting in the war on terror, one must abandon outmoded legal and moral norms. A new kind of war demands new laws to conduct it with success.

The students are beside themselves with indignation by now. At this point, the teacher breaks into a smile, drops the role of playing devil´s advocate and points out quite simply that the lunacy that she has just detailed is what US policy is in practice: air strikes abroad against suspected terrorists. She has only tried to make clear what is involved.

We live today in a numbed state of mind, accustomed to a world increasingly inured to the routine barbarities of an empire, desperate to retain its weakening hold on the world.

Last Saturday (January 14, 2006), an unmanned drone, apparently operated by the CIA, bombed the village of Damadola in Northwestern Pakistan, apparently in an attempt to assassinate the Al-Qaeda leader, Ayman al-Zawahri. He was not among the 18 people who were killed in the attack. There were 8 women and 5 children among those killed. Collateral damage in the global war on terror.

Leaders from both political parties in the US expressed their support for the air attack. Republican Senator John McCain has been quoted by CBS News as saying -- "We apologize, but I can't tell you that we wouldn't do the same thing again."

This is not the first time that the US military has murdered innocent people while trying to assassinate enemies from the air. Here are some recent instances.

On August 30, 2005, the US-led Coalition forces, targetting terrorist ¨infiltrators¨ from neighboring Syria, carried out three airstrikes on the Western Iraqi town of Qaim, killing at least 56 people, including many women and children. The US claimed that there was at least one Al-Qaeda fighter among the victims.

On July 4, 2005, US warplanes killed 17 innocent people, including women and children when they bombed Chichal village in Eastern Afghanistan, trying to hunt down alleged Taliban militants.

On August 12, 2004, US warplanes bombed a neighborhood in the city of Kut in Iraq, killing at least 75 civilians, mostly women and children, while apparently targetting insurgents.

On January 19, 2004, the US military bombed the village of Sawghataq in Uruzgan province in Afghanistan in an attempt to kill Taliban militants. They ended up killing 11 innocent people, including 3 women and 4 children.

And those are just a few samples from what would be an almost endless list of cases in which American imperialism has broken international law and/or the Geneva Conventions of warfare with impunity.

On would imagine that Washington is fighting a successful war on terror when in fact it is busy securing Asian energy reserves and terrorizing the world´s population into obedience to imperial force. As for terrorist attacks, all experts are agreed that they have only increased dramatically since the Iraq war was launched. And that if they really meant to catch Osama Bin Laden, it could have been readily achieved by now, after the biggest, most well-funded man-hunt in history.

Nor is the US the only country to engage in insane, wanton killing from the air.

On March 22, 2004, the Hamas leader Sheikh Yassin was targetted and killed by Israeli helicopter gunships in Palestine. Along with him, eight others lost their lives.

On July 23, 2002, when the Israelis targetted another Hamas leader Salah Shehade in Gaza, one of the most densely populated urban areas in the world, not only was he killed but 13 others, including 9 children died in the attack. Ironically, the attack was condemned even by Washington.

Injustice on an imperial scale

Most of the time, assassinations carried out through airstrikes are not matters for public discussion in America. They are conducted quietly by the CIA or the military, the media reporting them but casually, if at all. When such actions are publicly proposed in the United States, there is all too little debate, if any.

Notoriously, American preacher Pat Robertson called sometime back for the assassination of elected Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. All that the White House did was to dissociate themselves from the call a few days later. Wonder what the reaction might have been if a Muslim Mullah had raised a call for the assassination of Ariel Sharon!

There is an elementary matter of principle involved. We are talking not merely about collateral damage in war, but of collateral damage in ¨peacetime¨ (the distinction between war and peace itself utterly blurred today). The US, after all, did not declare war on Pakistan before ordering the raid on Damadola last week. Even if it is true that ¨terrorists¨ are being trained in the regions of Pakistan bordering Afghanistan, the killing of innocents cannot be justified by the hunt for them.

Why didn´t the British bomb Boston when IRA terrorists were based and found support there?

Imperial mentality today, as always, is premised on catastrophic, criminally racist conduct.

Former US marine Daniel Ellsberg, the whistleblower who exposed the fraud of the Vietnam war in the Pentagon Papers (which he leaked to the New York Times in 1971) revealed in an interview recently that Washington seriously contemplated at one stage of the conflict, nuclear-bombing the North Vietnamese, an action which would, through a series of nuclear reprisals (involving China and the Soviet Union) have accounted for 600 million people´s deaths in Asia and Eastern Europe, according to the wargames that Washington war planners played out!

So, one imagines, as per the crude moral computations of such heads, that if they were willing to sacrifice 600 million people for the sake of sustaining their power, a few hundred (or thousand, or tens of thousands) lives lost as collateral damage would not make them lose much sleep.

Few people know that on January 16, 1966, a US air force jet collided in mid-air with a B-52 bomber, while it was trying to help the latter refuel. The accident occurred above Palomares in Southeastern Spain. 4 hydrogen bombs fell, three on land and one in the Mediterranean. Clean-up operations continued for months afterwards, though the area still reports radioactivity. A little mistake!

What Vietnam revealed in abundance was the ultimate triumph of humanity over weaponry. This time too, Iraq is teaching with unremarkable predictability the same lesson. The question is whether American citizens pick it up faster than they did in the case of Vietnam.

A remark attributed to John Maynard Keynes, the most important economist of the past century, can teach us something not only about Economics, but also about politics. He said: ¨If you owe your bank a hundred pounds, you have a problem. But if you owe a million, it has.¨ Likewise, can it not be said, must it not be said, that if you kill a man you have a problem with the law. But if you can kill a million, the law has a problem?

Such is the nature of our difficulties today.

Washington war planners should pay heed to the fact that it is not legalities (nowadays you can legalize torture or spying on your own citizens after all) but justice (its conspicuous absence) that matters in the end. History does not comfort us as to the long-term results of unwarranted agression, which only fuels the fire of human hate. Since 9/11 we have seen the churning of Anti-American hatred across the world. And the hatred cuts a swath that runs through America itself. It has massive consequences for American people.

It would be apposite to recall Bob Dylan, singing Masters of War in the 1960s:

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins
...
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do
...
And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead

In Hindi, damadol means unstable. The desperate bombing of Damadola in Pakistan only exposes the instability of the American empire.

fluffernutter
01-29-2006, 02:43 AM
Notoriously, American preacher Pat Robertson called sometime back for the assassination of elected Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. All that the White House did was to dissociate themselves from the call a few days later. Wonder what the reaction might have been if a Muslim Mullah had raised a call for the assassination of Ariel Sharon! good point but this piece is a long rambling diatribe. brevity.

Freethinker
01-29-2006, 02:46 AM
Originally posted by fluffernutter
good point but this piece is a long rambling diatribe. brevity.

I fail to understand the demand for *brevity*

What does it take to read the piece........five minutes??

DrewM
01-29-2006, 03:57 AM
Freethinker - you just don't get it do you?

You are filled with this zealous regard for justice in the world and the evils the US imposes, acting as if justice is an absolute that would establish itself if only countries like the US allowed it. You simplify this as all a matter of corporate interests, when in fact corporate interests are without emotion, they are the process by which this country became great.

The US acts in whatever way it can to preserve US power. Sometimes that is dirty, sometimes that is unfair, sometimes that results in death, but none of which is mutually exclusive from the desires of decency, fairness and peace. Preseving US power is paramount to the US and in reality paramount for the rest of the civilized world also.

Unlike in previous centuries, when imperialistic forces declined, in this century there is nothing to replace the US should it's force in the world be removed. Without the US the world has only one possible future - total chaos. In the history of the world there are only a few decades free of war. War and competition are inherent in human nature, without order this is what is left. Preserving US power is a worthy & critical activity - it can't be achieved without some injustice. Cheap Oil is one key pillar of US power - it must be secured at whatever cost makes economic sense. It is no coincidence that all the countries that are a terrorist / 'rogue nation' threat are also the countries with large oil reserves.

So, you can look on US actions with child like eyes and see only bad things, yet you ignore the broader ramifications and bigger picture. The US depends on cheap oil - not just cars, everything - agriculture, medicine, technology, and civilization depends on the US.

For all your good intent (for that is what it is) - the world would fly into a hell hole of fire on the back of your good intent if your desires could ever see fruition. It is testiment to the US that people like yourself have a free voice, in many countries you would be in jail.

sedan
01-29-2006, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by DrewM
The US depends on cheap oil - not just cars, everything - agriculture, medicine, technology, and civilization depends on the US.
This is the crux of your argument, and there's no denying that the need for access to foreign oil supplies is the driving force behind American foreign policy in the modern era. For me, however, this does not so much justify that policy as it underscores the need to achieve energy independence as immediately as possible. This is a national security issue of the highest importance. Whatever we are spending now on developing alternative energy ($2 Billion a year?) should be multiplied by at least a factor of 10. We can't afford to wait for the marketplace to provide solutions, and we can't allow ourselves to be held hostage by oil-exporting nations. It will be far cheaper, in the long run, to become energy-independent than it will be to fight continuous wars in the pursuit of ever-dwindling oil supplies.

I recently read Kurt Vonnegut's latest book A Man without a Country and a passage from it keeps popping into my head every time I think about this. He writes:

"When you got here, even when I got here, the industrialized world was already hopelessly hooked on fossil fuels, and very soon now there won't be any left. Cold turkey.

Can I tell you the truth? I mean this isn't the TV news is it? Here's what I think the truth is: We are all addicts of fossil fuels in a state of denial. And like so many addicts about to face cold turkey, our leaders are now committing violent crimes to get what little is left of what we're hooked on."

DrewM
01-29-2006, 11:29 AM
True, but alternative energy sources are a bit of a pipe dream. If they were realistic - they would have been developed in the 1970's. Oil is far more than an energy source - it is used in everything, everything you can touch, every medicine you take, everything you eat - it all depends on Oil. I agree that spending on research is very wise - maybe one day we can invent that elusive Fusion reactor!

There is a huge amount of Oil left - the issue is not that it's running out any time soon, it's ensuring an uninterupted reliable supply.

Freethinker
01-29-2006, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by DrewM
Preserving US power is a worthy & critical activity - it can't be achieved without some injustice. Cheap Oil is one key pillar of US power - it must be secured at whatever cost makes economic sense.

That was a terrific post, Drew, and I commend you.

Everything you say about the US *preserving its power* is right on the money, as far as i'm concerned.

Excellent analysis. I wish every person in America could understand the absolute truth of what you said --as if concerns the US willingness to go to ANY length whatsoever to preserve its power and might.

HOWEVER----where I and the entire Rightwing faction in the US would vehemently DISAGREE is on the amount of death and destruction that this country should be willing to deal out in order to preserve that power and control.

The Rightwing --and, by your comments, I would say it applies to you also-- has NO qualms whatsoever about this country waging war against any country who holds oil reserves that America *needs* in order to preserve its precious ***American Way of Life** (tm)

IOW, the RightWinger's position is that if it takes millions of men, women and chldren in other countries being killed, if it takes numerous other countries bombed into absolute Stone-Age ruin, numerous other country's infrastructures entirely obliterated and anihilated in order for America to maintain her dominance and control and acccess to *cheap oil*, then so be it. "Fuck 'em. We gotta "keep America strong!"

THAT is the position that I find sickening and that I am diametrically opposed to.

America could have --long ago--- taken the path toward renewable energy sources, and it is very possible that all the senseless wars and all the trillions of taxdollars spent on maintaining military dominance and all the killing and bombing of other countres could have been avoided.

But America's petrochemical/defense industry barons did not WANT this country to be free from oil dependency.

And so we come to the present state of affairs -- with America indeed maintaining her dominance and the flow of cheap oil, but the price being that it is either hated or feared by virtually every other country on earth.

And while the macho psyche of America seems perfectly content to accept the fact that all other nations would hate and/or fear us, the truth is that that fear and hatred is the crack in the foundation of the colussus.... a crack that will one day deteriorate and widen to the point that the colossus wil come crashing to the gound.

DrewM
01-29-2006, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by Freethinker
That was a terrific post, Drew, and I commend you.

At last a freethinker post I can agree with 100% :)

sedan
01-31-2006, 10:26 PM
From the President's State of the Union Address:

"Keeping America competitive requires affordable energy. And here we have a serious problem: America is addicted to oil, which is often imported from unstable parts of the world. The best way to break this addiction is through technology. Since 2001, we have spent nearly $10 billion to develop cleaner, cheaper, and more reliable alternative energy sources -- and we are on the threshold of incredible advances."

First of all, I wonder if someone has been reading Vonnegut to him before bed-time. Second, why not $100 billion over the next five years?

DrewM
01-31-2006, 11:49 PM
Bush's remarks about alternative energy were just a bunch of words & nothing more. He said something like 75% of middle east oil replaced by ethanol & others by 2025 - it's a joke. We only get 20% of our oil from the middle east anyway, and replacing it with ethanol? There is no logic in that - ethanol is a big white elephant. You need oil to grow crops.

Freethinker
02-01-2006, 12:54 AM
Originally posted by DrewM
Bush's remarks about alternative energy were just a bunch of words & nothing more.

Wow.

A rare display of clarity and rational thinking.

Careful though Drew; they will instantly drum you out of the Lovers-of-All-Things-Rightwing-Club for daring to criticize Bush, even in the slightest, most non-confrontational way.

Originally posted by DrewM
He (Bush) said something like 75% of middle east oil replaced by ethanol & others by 2025 - it's a joke.

True.

I am truly astounded to hear a cheerleader for the ReichWing finally admit that Bush lies to the sheep.


Originally posted by DrewM
We only get 20% of our oil from the middle east anyway, and replacing it with ethanol? There is no logic in that ----You need oil to grow crops.


Absolutely correct.

I'm truly amazed.

Decka
02-01-2006, 06:16 AM
Why are you suprised that people actually KNOW that the state of the union is pretty much empty promises?

ive known that for awhile now

sedan
02-01-2006, 06:39 AM
Originally posted by Decka
Why are you suprised that people actually KNOW that the state of the union is pretty much empty promises?

ive known that for awhile now Not everyone is as smart as you, Decka.

BTW, who is this 'Aragon' you quote in your signature?

Decka
02-01-2006, 06:45 AM
Originally posted by sedan
Not everyone is as smart as you, Decka.

BTW, who is this 'Aragon' you quote in your signature?

LOL... i cant tell if there was sarcasm there or not Sedan.... but thanks if it was sincere. I dont NEED to be labeled "smarter" to make me happy or to boost my ego.... but everyone loves a compliment;)

And as for Aragon... he is the main character in "The Lord of the Rings"....

And as for the context of the quote, He was about to lead men into battle against a HUGE army whose only goal was to eliminate mankind.

Vilepagan
02-01-2006, 07:05 AM
Originally posted by Decka
And as for Aragon... he is the main character in "The Lord of the Rings"....

And as for the context of the quote, He was about to lead men into battle against a HUGE army whose only goal was to eliminate mankind.

I think sedan was trying to point out that the character in LOTR was Aragorn. :)

Decka
02-01-2006, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by Vilepagan
I think sedan was trying to point out that the character in LOTR was Aragorn. :)

whoa:eek:.. i had't read the books in so long i forgot how to spell it LOL

I guess thats what happens when the movies come out... you get lazy

bloody hell do i feel stupid LOL

Freethinker
02-01-2006, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by Decka
Why are you suprised that people actually KNOW that the state of the union is pretty much empty promises?

I'm not.

What i am astounded to see is ANY rightwinger saying ANYTHING the slightest bit critical of a ConservaFascist politician.........especially the leader of them.

________________________________

If it had been George W. Bush who cut down that mythical cherry tree instead of George Washington, it likely would have gone like this:

* First he would have claimed that the cherry tree was harboring weapons of mass destruction.

* Then he would have insisted that the cherry tree was in league with Al Qaeda.

* Then he would have explained that he was just trying to bring "freedom and democracy" to the cherry tree.

* Then he would have pretended that Congress had the same intelligence about the cherry tree when they gave him the authority to cut it down.

* Finally he would have announced that if he had to do it all over again, he still would have cut down the cherry tree.

Decka
02-02-2006, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by Freethinker
I'm not.

What i am astounded to see is ANY rightwinger saying ANYTHING the slightest bit critical of a ConservaFascist politician.........especially the leader of them.


well obviously you only judge me by where i stand FROM YOU and not where i stand OVERALL.....

I think Bush is a below average president, he's done plenty wrong, a few things right, and i am disappointed in his performance...

ive thought that for the past few years now. Where have YOU been

DrewM
02-02-2006, 06:09 PM
That type of talk 'does not compute' in freethinkers world. You are either all one thing or all something else - anything else causes a core meltdown

Decka
02-03-2006, 12:10 AM
interesting how he never answers to such accusations... he must either agree with them or be afraid that he might come to some sort of self-realization...