http://flagsacrosstheus.com

yay (not being sarcastic)

Thanks for the link.

Originally posted by usvetsnetwork
http://flagsacrosstheus.com



Excerpt from the above link:

"These past few years what occurred to me was that I saw virtually no flags out during any of the flag holidays. That seemed odd, particularly in light of the situation this nation finds itself in today.

We all felt a burst of patriotism and sense of outrage after the September 11 attacks. Many Americans who did not own a flag could not buy one at the stores as supplies were depleted. Now, just 4 short years after the slaughter of over 3,000 people in the worst terrorism attack ever to take place on American soil, the flags that were prominently visible are now few and far between.
I ask myself this - 'Where are the flags now?'"
"It occurred to you" there were no flags flying, eh? But did it not occure to you why not? Yeh, they probably had all the flags out after 9/11 but had to put them back in moth-balls after you attacked, murdered, and began your occupation of a sovereign country.

3,000 people slaughtered on Ameican soil during 9/11, huh? And how many innocent Iraqi soldiers and civilians did you slaughter "on Iraqi soil"? They were only protecting their country from a foreign invader who attacked on false pretences. And will you stand trial for that? Well? Will you?

If I were American I’d be too ashamed to fly the flag too. I say “Hurrah!” for the Americans who hide the flag “For Truth, for Justice”, which used to be ”the American Way”.

Have you ever visited the U.S.?

Originally posted by Catch 3
And how many innocent Iraqi soldiers

Yep, they're just minding their own business and the wretched US soldiers just shoot at them for pleasure.

and civilians did you slaughter

Oh, of course. Our soldiers, who have their spouses and children back home, take part in butchering women and children deliberately, because they are trained to, and enjoy it.
:rolleyes:

And how many innocent Iraqi soldiers soilders are never innocent. They are willing participants and inflictors of violence.Oh, of course. Our soldiers, who have their spouses and children back home, take part in butchering women and children deliberately, because they are trained to, and enjoy it. No they are trained to ignore their humanity trough various means like racism and "ends justify the means" bullshit.

Yeah, guerilla, tell us all you know about military training and serving in combat - first hand.

Originally posted by es347fan
Yeah, guerilla, tell us all you know about military training and serving in combat - first hand.

Oh.. i smell a CALL OUT

Originally posted by es347fan
Have you ever visited the U.S.?
I have more than 20 years of experience in the U.S. What about you? Have ever been there?

Originally posted by Evakian
Yep, they're just minding their own business and the wretched US soldiers just shoot at them for pleasure.
Please don't be so bloody stupid. Use your "F"-ing head. OK?

1). Where were those Iraqi soldiers who died from the American guns? Don't tell me you don't know. They were in Iraq, you idiot.

2). And how was it that Iraqi soldiers came to be killed by American guns? You don't know? Americans attacked Iraq - and Iraqi soldiers were defending their country.

3). So tell me what it was that Iraq did against the Untied Snakes that caused the U.S. to attack and occupy Iraq? Read my lips: N-O-T-H-I-N-G.

4). So the snipping (and bombs) continues to claim American lives .... and why? The Americans are still in Iraq, you fool!

You must certainly be some kind of idiot.

Originally posted by es347fan
Yeah, guerilla, tell us all you know about military training and serving in combat - first hand.
Would you like to ask me that question?

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
soilders are never innocent. They are willing participants and inflictors of violence.
I don't know what he means by it but I use "innocent soldiers" in the sense that when the Americans attacked, the Iraqi soldiers were merely fighting against the invaders. As far as I know, that is the most basic function of ANY Army. My thought is that in such an instance the defending soldiers ARE innocent. When you consider that these invaders attacked without the slightest justification, it makes the Iraqi soldiers pretty damned righteous.

According to American protocol, much, much, much less would have been considered "heroic". After all, the majority of dead "heroes" at the World Trade Centre were killed without their knowledge of imminent death, whereas the Iraqi soldiers were pitted against the most militarily powerful country in the world and they knew it too. They had experienced what American technological war-fare could accomplish in the First Gulf War. It's off the subject but I consider the Iraqis far more heroic than those civilians, police, and firemen who perished on 9/11. How the Americans dare to call them terrorists is beyond my understanding.

Originally posted by Catch 3
Please don't be so bloody stupid. Use your "F"-ing head. OK?

Stop talking to yourself, people will think you're crazy!

1). Where were those Iraqi soldiers who died from the American guns? Don't tell me you don't know. They were in Iraq, you idiot.

When did I ever say that Iraqi soldiers were not in Iraq? Never.

2). And how was it that Iraqi soldiers came to be killed by American guns? You don't know? Americans attacked Iraq - and Iraqi soldiers were defending their country.

Amazing Sherlock, Tell me more of your ever-insightful observations. Pray tell

3). So tell me what it was that Iraq did against the Untied Snakes that caused the U.S. to attack and occupy Iraq? Read my lips: N-O-T-H-I-N-G.

You're babbling.

4). So the snipping (and bombs) continues to claim American lives .... and why? The Americans are still in Iraq, you fool!

Snipping? Are the Iraqis giving our soldiers lethal haircuts?

You must certainly be some kind of idiot.

There you go again with the personal asides. That statement you are bawling over is criticism of your use of the term "innocent soldiers". As guerilla said, "Soldiers are never innocent. They are willing participants and inflictors of violence."

I have more than 20 years of experience in the U.S. What about you? Have ever been there?

To answer that for him in the interest of time, he is an American and has served in the American military.

Yeah, guerilla, tell us all you know about military training and serving in combat - first hand. Yeah, "Haji" is just an endearing term like "gook" right ES? your so ridiculaus....

US army in Iraq institutionally racist, claims British officer
Richard Norton-Taylor and Jamie Wilson in Washingto

A senior British officer has criticised the US army for its conduct in Iraq, accusing it of institutional racism, moral righteousness, misplaced optimism, and of being ill-suited to engage in counter-insurgency operations.

The blistering critique, by Brigadier Nigel Aylwin-Foster, who was the second most senior officer responsible for training Iraqi security forces, reflects criticism and frustration voiced by British commanders of American military tactics.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1684561,00.html

Catch 3,

I fly my country's flag every day, weather permitting. I don't fly it because of Iraqi soldiers killed in combat. I don't fly it because of American soldiers killed in combat. I don't even fly it because of the almost 3,000 innocents killed on 9/11. I fly it because I am an American and know all the great things my nation stands for.

Yes, we have, as any nation has, committed errors, some of them grievous but on the whole we have been a plus among the nations of the world. I am proud of my country and its flag and will never hide the fact that I am an American who will continue to wave his country's flag proudly.

I feel the same. Most days we just fly a flag we bought at Wal-Mart but on special days we fly the flag given to me when my Dad died, compliments of the US Navy, as a small token honoring Dad's service during the war.
I cannot think or imagine, under any circumstance, of a time when I would be ashamed to fly our country's flag..but then agian, I'm probably considered old-fashioned nowadays by some. I'm ok with that.

guerilla you make comments but don't answer questions.

catch: I live in the U.S., spent over 20 years in the U.S. Army, and have visited over 30 other countries.

500lbguerilla can sure tell you what other pople think about the military! he reads web sites!

ES You ask leading questions then pretend you don't already know the answers.

Originally posted by Evakian
When did I ever say that Iraqi soldiers were not in Iraq? Never.
Then perhaps you ought to explain what you meant by this ......


Originally posted by Evakian
Yep, they're (the Iraqis) just minding their own business and the wretched US soldiers just shoot at them for pleasure.
It looked to me that you needed a reminder of the fact that the Iraqis have a right to the defence of their own country and that the invading Americans have no rightfully just reason to be there at all. In lieu of your above post, do you still think my reminder was unjustified?

Originally posted by Frogger
Catch 3, I fly my country's flag every day, weather permitting.

I don't criticize you for that. It's none of my business in any case. I'm only saying that I respect the Americans who display their pleasure when they feel it is justified, but also display their displeasure as well. If their displeasure is displayed by passivley hiding away the flag then I respect that. Speaking out is even better, but there is a paraoia present (and perpetuated) in the U.S. that is a left over from the McCarthy era - and so "speaking out" takes much more courage in the U.S. than in other democratic countries. Reprisals for doing so in the U.S. can be devastating. And that, my dear Frogger, is why I admire the Americans who dare to seek out truth and say what they really feel.

Originally posted by Frogger
Yes, we have, as any nation has, committed errors, some of them grievous but on the whole we have been a plus among the nations of the world.
Yes, "among the nations of the world" as a whole, but the U.S. is towards the bottom of the list of democratic countries of the world.