http://www.sbceo.k12.ca.us/~vms/carlton/genghis3.jpg


Above - Portrait of Genghis - khan of the
mughuls/moghuls/mughols/moghols/mongols
the greatest empire mankind has known
until this very moment

He is the greatest conqueror in the history of mankind.

"Man's greatest joy is to slay his enemy, plunder his riches, ride his steeds, see the tears of his loved ones and embrace his women."

--Genghis Khan

Truly a man after Praetorian's heart.

Tho a great conquerer, I've always disliked this fella.
He lacks the derring-do and dashing personality of Alexander......
plus, he was ugly.

Ghenghis was a much greater man than Alexander, rendova.

Alexander was the son and heir of a king who came into power with a standing army and a governmental system.

Ghengis was born Temujin, the son of a minor clan chief whose father had been killed and who was hunted by his enemies. Rather than being heir to anything he joined the various nomadic tribes together solely by his ability and implacable will. Ghenghis and his heirs, while terrible in war were magnanimous rulers once victorious. He allowed total freedom of religion within his realm, built a very good civil service system and was said to have made the areas controlled by him so safe that a virgin could travel the lands with a bag of gold and not be molested. He, his sons and grandsons conquered an area even greater than that of Alexander.

Remember, Kublai Khan of Marco Polo and Samuel Taylor Coleridge fame was his grandson.

I just can't help but picture him as a barbarian, Frogger.
Wasn't he viciously cruel?
I know Alexander killed also, in battle, and also killed his best friend in a drunken rage. He was also modest, naming umpteen cities after himself.

I just like Alexander better because I feel I understand him better--yes, we have so much in common.....

PS. That Kublai Khan you mentioned--do you mean the poem by Coleridge (not Poe)??

"In Xanadu did Kublai Khan
a stately pleasure dome decree...."

One of my favorites!

Originally posted by rendova
Tho a great conquerer, I've always disliked this fella.
He lacks the derring-do and dashing personality of Alexander......
plus, he was ugly.

Dear rendova, do you really see him ugly in that portrait? Honestly

Remember when John Wayne tried ta pass HISSELF off in prob'ly the worst movie ever made?



Now HE'S what I call a true...



...Khan man!!!




www.also,wayne-walked-kinda-funny-'n-didn't-really-look-like-the-Marion-kind.edu




;)

Originally posted by bluesky
Dear rendova, do you really see him ugly in that portrait? Honestly

ALL are ugly compared to the godlike Alex.
He was the coolest guy of all time. I love him.


Yes, Odder, that movie was one of the worst of all time. And practically everyone who worked on it later died a terrible death from cancer because they filmed it at a nuclear test site!!!

Alex would never have been that dumb.

Oooops! Thanks, rendova. I knew it was STC and not EAP. I love the poem. I have corrected it.


I think part of your dislike for Ghenghis when compared to Alexander is due to Eurocentrism. The pictures we have of Alexander are of a young man with sweeping blonde hair and piercing blue eyes marching off to battle on his regal steed Bucephalus. The picture we have of Ghenghis KHan is of a squat, bowlegged, swarthy man with greasy hair and filthy clothing riding a short legged steppe pony.

Alexander built on the legacy of his father. He was brought up a prince and when he was ready to go to war he already had a standing army at his disposal and a working government to run his holdings.

Temujin rose from nothing, a hunted child in constant danger of being killed. Rather than inheriting a unified nation he united a series of disjointed and mutually antagonistic tribes under his leadership.

Originally posted by rendova
Tho a great conquerer, I've always disliked this fella.
He lacks the derring-do and dashing personality of Alexander......

Indeed, Ghengis was a far more charismatic and mysterious figure.

plus, he was ugly.

And with that comment, we could peg you for a woman from 5 miles away.

Ghengis was a "nobody", insignificant person living in the tribal civilizations of the steppes, overcoming a rough childhood he rose up to unite many tribes that spited one another, and created the second largest empire the world has ever seen, as well as building foundations so that his offspring would expand it further. Much more accomplished than Alexander the Great.

Since Evakian agrees with me, he is of course, Toadly Right.

I admire the way Ghengis rose from nothing. It takes courage and wherewithall to do such a thing. And true, Alex was born into wealth and so had many advantages.
But, did Ghengis conquer mighty armies?
Could he throw the javelin?
The discus?
Could he have riden Bucephalus ("Ox-head")?

Was he a pharoah?

The gods told Alex that he was one of them. What happened to him in Egypt--that afterwards he considered himself godlike?

I guess this thread has been all but taken over by Alex, who had one blue eye, one brown eye, and like he did to the world when he was living........ Sorry, bluesky!

Ya just gotta love a guy who named a city after his beloved horse.

But, did Ghengis conquer mighty armies?
Could he throw the javelin?
The discus?
Could he have riden Bucephalus ("Ox-head")?

Was he a pharoah?

He defeated many of the mightiest armies of the time.

He could no doubt throw a javelin in addition to a lariat and he could stay in the saddle for days on end, changing horses when they tired and eating raw horse meat he kept under his saddle to tenderize it and yoghurt which he carried in a skin bag.

He rode steppe ponies, a much hardier animal and one with a gait that makes it harder to ride than a regular horse. He could also nock an arrow, draw a bow and shoot while at full gallop, something I doubt Alexander could have done.

There is no contest. Ghenghis is Little Alex's Daddy.

Ha!
Alex would have kicked Ghengis' butt in battle!

And afterwards, he would have married him, and if Ghengy was a good boy, maybe even named a city for him.:o

Originally posted by rendova
Ha!
Alex would have kicked Ghengis' butt in battle!

Yes, the fair greek riding on his steed against a mongolian peasant on a pony, of course you could expect him to most likely defeat the Khan.

But the Mongols would have thrashed the Greeks in more ways than one.

And afterwards, he would have married him, and if Ghengy was a good boy, maybe even named a city for him.:o

Ghengis had his ex-husband, who was leader of an opposing mongol tribe, imprisoned (and killed if I recall correctly), after that mishap I don't think they would be a happy couple.

But, did Ghengis conquer mighty armies?

More than Alexander did.

Could he throw the javelin?
The discus?

How does this effect his military tacticianship in any form?
But he most likely could.

Could he have riden Bucephalus ("Ox-head")?

He spent the majority of his life in the saddle, and at childhood was sighted taming wild horses.

Was he a pharoah?

Better.
He was the Great Khan.

Could he have riden Bucephalus ("Ox-head")?
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He spent the majority of his life in the saddle, and at childhood was sighted taming wild horses. --Evak
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Ghengis could not have ridden Bucephalus.
Ox-head was a killer and hated everybody except his beloved master.

rendova

It is time to seperate history from Hollywood. Any competent horseman could have ridden Bucephalus and Ghenghiz was a very competent horseman.

Frogger,

Not a Hollywood myth--the Greek historian Plutarch deals extensively with the story about the Macedonian "unridable" horse.

http://www.livius.org/aj-al/alexander/alexander_t31.html

"Stand your ground. Don't fire until fired upon. But if they mean to have a war, then let it begin here." --yet anuther doom 'n groom comment by some feller who finally realized...



...that bride goeth before the fall...




www. i-once-read-in-a-histerical-novel-that-genghis-wuz-actually-"blue eyed", related-ta-turkeys-or-sumthin' .edu



www. then-i-got-ta-THINKIN'-about-how-MOST-of-Asia-speaks-with-tonal-languages... edu


www. only-exceptions-in-the-far-east-ta-my-knowledge-is-japan,korea,'n...mongolia .edu



www. as-fer-odder,nihongo-de-hanasanakereba-narimasen... edu



www. 'cuz-i-don't-know-enuff-mongolian-nouns-'n-verbs-yet .edu

As fer them who sez we should EMULATE that Khan guy, 'cuz lookit how GREAT he wuz...



Well, he DID kill 'n capture a lot, but...




...uh, HOW long did his empire last???



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www. i'm-jest-ponderin',is-all .org

his empire lasted approximately 150 years-- the largest in human history.