I guess they get more respect and legitamacy as being Mujahideen now .......than al-Quaida ......*L*.

Sure sign of them losing the cause. They better hurry and strike ......cuzzzzzz ........I can hear Abu Musab singing .......since September ......*EG*

http://www.rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=138778&D=2006-01-01&HC=1

Final Abu Musab al-Suri Audio Calls For Activation Of Sleep Cells
2006-01-01 Terror Networks

Abu al-Tawab al-Shami--the official spokesman of most wanted Al-Qaida terrorist training camp manager Abu Musab al-Suri (a.k.a. Omar Abdel Hakim, Mustafa Setmariam Nasar)--has confirmed the latter's capture by coalition forces sometime in September 2005. Abu al-Tawab has also made available a final audio message from Abu Musab al-Suri responding to the July 2005 London bombings. During the recording, Abu Musab adamantly denied having played any significant role in the 1995 Paris Metro bombings, the March 2004 Madrid commuter train bombings, nor the most recent London attacks--but conceded to having specifically trained American and British nationals at Al-Qaida camps in Afghanistan to carry out catastrophic terrorist strikes. He further admitted:

"I advised the commander of the Armed Islamic Group (GIA) Abu Abdullah Ahmad and his superiors—may Allah have mercy on their souls—to strike deep inside the French mainland in order to punish her and deter her from supporting the dictatorial military government ... I explained that this would unite the Islamic nation around the jihad in Algeria, just as it had united the Islamic nation around the Afghan jihad against the Soviets. I added that we had a right to strike France and that we were at war—[we were not] just playing around. It was about time for our enemies to understand that. This is why I hereby call all the mujahideen—regardless of whether they are from Syria, Lebanon or any other place—to strike France immediately. The mujahideen should target French interests wherever they may be—including the French mainland itself... I hereby call upon the mujahideen in Europe, the mujahideen in other enemy countries—as well as all those who are able to get to these countries—to act quickly and strike Britain, Italy, Holland, Denmark, Germany, Japan, Australia, Russia, France, and all other countries that have a military presence in Iraq, Afghanistan, or the Arabian Peninsula. They must either strike the territory of these countries or targets that are outside of their borders. O’ sleeper cells, wake up now!"

[I]Posted by Dan Darling 2006-01-01 13:02

Slim

Terrorists can be beaten. The Huks in The Phillipines, Sendero Luminoso in Peru, The Sandanistas, even the Assassins in Syria were defeated. All it takes is perserverance and a real will to win.

We should emulate Hulagu Khan, the grandson of Ghenghis and brother of Kubalai when he sent the following message to the Caliph of Bagdad.



"When I lead my army against Baghdad in anger, whether you hide in heaven or in earth
I will bring you down from the spinning spheres;
I will toss you in the air like a lion.
I will leave no one alive in your realm;
I will burn your city, your land, your self.
If you wish to spare yourself and your venerable family, give heed to my advice with the ear of intelligence. If you do not, you will see what God has willed."

I say we beat them by using Hera's technique ....or maybe that of Iolaus.

After Osama Bin Laden was killed .....in the first days of the Afghan War .......in the Kandahar Region ............we never let on that he was dead .......this may have been Hera's Crab attacking the feet of the terrorists.

A successful self governed Iraq .........may be the cauterization of the second hydra head by Iolaus.

I agree Frogger ......we just need to continue what we are doing.


Slim

We as Americans lack the collective will to make good on those threats. Not to mention that this isn't the 1400s anymore. The best we can come up with is Bush's "smoke 'em out of their caves" rhetoric. If Bush uttered manly words like those, I just might change my mind about him...

Originally posted by Frogger
We should emulate Hulagu Khan, the grandson of Ghenghis and brother of Kubalai when he sent the following message to the Caliph of Bagdad.

"When I lead my army against Baghdad in anger, whether you hide in heaven or in earth
I will bring you down from the spinning spheres;
I will toss you in the air like a lion.
I will leave no one alive in your realm;
I will burn your city, your land, your self.
If you wish to spare yourself and your venerable family, give heed to my advice with the ear of intelligence. If you do not, you will see what God has willed."

No offense meant towards you Frogger, but we as a civilization should do our best to avoid the cruelty dealt by peoples such as the Mongols. Lowering ourselves to our enemy's level does not make for a good reflection on us as a people, and could prove to be counter-productive in the long run. The writ with the warning to the Baghdad Caliphate leadership shows a threat beyond measure of human indignity. The "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out!" philosophy falls flat, we can raid their camps, cut off their funding, intercerpt their intelligence, take prisoner their soldiers and sources, disable supply routes, influence and negotiate with their shelterers, and so on to combat them; the crusade taken to annihilate them all with lethal force lowers us to their level. They will collapse, no ragtag band of vicious rebels, whatever their cause or motivation, can withstand every barrage forever, but that doesn't mean we have to become barbaric as well in the process.

The film in theaters now, Steven Spielberg's Munich deals with that issue, and handles it tenderly, worthy of a viewing.

Originally posted by Frogger

We should emulate Hulagu Khan, the grandson of Ghenghis and brother of Kubalai when he sent the following message to the Caliph of Bagdad.



"When I lead my army against Baghdad in anger, whether you hide in heaven or in earth
I will bring you down from the spinning spheres;
I will toss you in the air like a lion.
I will leave no one alive in your realm;
I will burn your city, your land, your self.
If you wish to spare yourself and your venerable family, give heed to my advice with the ear of intelligence. If you do not, you will see what God has willed."

Tales like that --quite literally-- make me want to vomit.

I understand that people in former ages were bloody and barbarous, and took glee in killing women and children along with the fighting forces guarding a nation they were attacking, and to burn every building to the ground and kill alll the defenseless animals at the same time...but there is NOTHING that can be said about the practice that would cause me to view it as anything but despicable and anti-human.

What has happened to the people in America, that a supposed Christian would laud such callous inhuman threats made by those barbaric warlords of old, to glory in their "macho" appeal and to suggest that this country, in the 21st century, should do the SAME!?!?!?!?!?

And the people wonder why the rest of the world fears and despises America.........

I'd also have to disagree with you Frogger. As sweet as vengence is, it leaves a bad aftertaste. I think we should do this the Roman way. By making people's lives better, they will be grateful towards us and move from enemy to allies. Oppression will only further their determination.

That's a good thought, Homer.

Rome conquered, but they were afterwards merciful. All they then wanted was that the conquered province pay taxes and contribute men to their army. They let you keep your religion and customs.

They say the Pax Romana was the greatest time period this earth has ever known.

We could take a lesson from Marcus Aurelius.

Not so great if you're one of Rome's many many slaves, though I suppose it isn't much different than living in squalor in a third-world nation these days.

I would be interested in seeing a comparative portrait of average life in modern times as opposed to life in the Roman era, when large empires were the norm, rather than the exception. I wonder if average lifestyles haven't actually gotten worse with the technological march.

That's an interesting topic, Napsterbater. Let me ask my daughter, who's studied Roman history for 5 years at IU.

Then, perhaps we could start a Roman history thread at the history forum. This time period fascinates many.

About the Roman slaves--it's always a mistake to judge people outside of the times they lived in. I'm not going to think badly of the Romans because they had this practice, tho it may make me unpopular.

No offense taken, Evakian.

When you are fighting an implacable foe you had best not do it by half measures. You either fight all out or you just pack your bags, go back to your homes and wait to be defeated.


We should kill all terrorists and severly punish all those aiding them. If you aim a rifle at one of us, you die. If you are caught with a bomb or bomb making materials, you die. If you commit any overt act against us, you die. If you hide terrorist or aid them in any way, you are treated as an enemy combatant. If the hiding or aiding did not result in the death of one of us, you are jailed. If it did result in the death, or even the injury of one of us, you die.

Enough namby pamby pussyfooting. You don't defeat an enemy by slapping him on the wrist. You defeat him by beating the shit out of him.

Originally posted by Frogger
When you are fighting an implacable foe you had best not do it by half measures. You either fight all out or you just pack your bags, go back to your homes and wait to be defeated.
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Enough namby pamby pussyfooting. You don't defeat an enemy by slapping him on the wrist. You defeat him by beating the shit out of him.

There are tactics that allow you to beat the enemy, in full force, without resorting to running in with reckless abandon and slay everyone, burn everything, and steal whatever you desire, while beating them in combat.

I don't think that is what Frogger said ......he simply stated that we should kill the enemy.

Seems simple to me.


slim

Originally posted by slim
I don't think that is what Frogger said ......he simply stated that we should kill the enemy.

Seems simple to me.

As usual, your spin on it has no relation to the facts. .

Frogger said FAR more than just --"We should kill the enemy".

In his first post he stated in no uncertain terms that we should--

* leave NO PERSON alive in that realm

* burn the cities and the land

*burn the people themsleves.

Two year old infants are not --in my estimation-- legitimate targets of war, to be slaughtered in order to show how mighty we are.

Eighty year old women are not --in my estimation-- legitimate targets of war, to be slaughtered in order to show how mighty we are.

People with severe mental and physical handicaps are not --in my estimation-- legitimate targets of war, to be slaughtered in order to show how mighty we are.

But then, I am not a *Christian* like Frogger, and perhaps lack the requisite bloodthirstyness to totally anihilate every man, woman and child among "the enemy".

Do you read anything after the first post freethinker(badactor) .......??

Can a person comment on posts thaty follow the first post ........??

In frogger's post of ...... posted: 01-03-2006 at 05:49 AM .......I have reduced his thought to ....."kill the enemy" ........follow along ........you are beside yourself.

You shouldn't become so emotionally attached .....it's effecting your thoughts.


Slim

Originally posted by slim
In frogger's post of ...... posted: 01-03-2006 at 05:49 AM .......I have reduced his thought to ....."kill the enemy" .....

Of course you have chosen a particular post and "reduced" it, slim.

Both you and he are, it would seem, ashamed of what he originally said, and don't want to be seen defending it.

Well, what Frogger has been talking about is Total War. It's a valid strategy, but you have to be really committed to it. However, I don't think that this war can be won that way either.

As someone said earlier, this is not a war of nations. This is wide scale guerilla warfare. We need to develop new tactics for fighting this kind of war. I dont think we've got them yet, but the only way to cure that is with time and experience.

Frogger is appearently one sick fuck.

What frogger said I'm sure thats what teh 9/11 hijackers were thinking as well...spare no one...

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
Frogger is apparently one sick fuck.


Really?

Let's revue.

Frogger has said that America should ---

* kill every human being in the realm

* burn their cities

* burn their lands

* burn the people themselves

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Yep.

That DOES qualify him as one sick puppy.

But hey!!!!......let us never forget!!!!!....

....the religionists in America like Frogger who are screeching --"Kill them all!!!!!"-- have the wuuuuuuuunder workin' poooooower of the Blood of the Lamb running thru their veins.

I think you clowns are taking Froggers recitation of Hulagu Khan's message a little too literally. I don't believe he wants to kill every man, woman, and child any more than I believe in Kris Kringle. He, like me, is pissed off, and wants to solve the problem directly. As a nation, I hope we can avoid being mired down by some asshole academic's conception of "morality" during a time of war. (And I hope you know what I meant by that statement...)

On that note, did you even bother to read his second entry?


When you are fighting an implacable foe you had best not do it by half measures. You either fight all out or you just pack your bags, go back to your homes and wait to be defeated.

We should kill all terrorists and severly punish all those aiding them. If you aim a rifle at one of us, you die. If you are caught with a bomb or bomb making materials, you die. If you commit any overt act against us, you die. If you hide terrorist or aid them in any way, you are treated as an enemy combatant. If the hiding or aiding did not result in the death of one of us, you are jailed. If it did result in the death, or even the injury of one of us, you die.
And most importantly:
Enough namby pamby pussyfooting. You don't defeat an enemy by slapping him on the wrist. You defeat him by beating the shit out of him.