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slim
12-29-2005, 02:23 PM
I can't exactly remember all the chum that Clinton spread in the water .....before we went into Bosnia ....and reduced the Serbian Armies and cities to sand. I know there were 7000 killed in Srebrenica ......but .........I always had a bad feeling about who's side we chose in that action.

http://www.seeurope.net/en/Story.php?StoryID=56888&LangID=1

Bosnian Muslim Terrorism : Staring Blind Into The Obvious
By: Stella Jatras, 2005-12-21 17:40:05

What took so long for it to become obvious that Bosnia and other parts of the Balkans are the launching pad for terrorist attacks in Europe?
The Washington Post writes on 1 December, "Terrorist Cells Find Foothold in Balkans."(1) What a revelation! The fact is, Bosnia became a launching pad as far back as 1992 when the Bosnian Muslim government of Alija Izetbegovic - the government that was supported by the Clinton administration - issued a passport to Osama bin Laden which he used to visit Bosnia and Kosovo on several occasions.

More and more newspapers are finally beginning to expose Bosnia's connection to terrorism cells. A UPI article in The Washington Times of 1 December headlined "Balkans seen as terrorist training ground" reported:
Recent arrests confirm the belief that parts of the Balkans are becoming a launching pad for terrorist attacks in Europe, authorities say. One example came in an apartment occupied by an underground group aiming to blow up the British Embassy in Sarajevo, Western intelligence officials told The Washington Post. There they found explosives, rifles, other arms and a videotape pledging vengeance for the "brothers" killed fighting Americans in Afghanistan and Iraq. Islamic radicals reportedly want to create cells of so-called 'white' al-Qaida, non-Arab members who can avoid racial profiling used to spot potential terrorists.(2)

In 2003, Brendan O'Neill wrote in The [UK] Spectator, "The Bosnian war taught Islamic terrorists to operate abroad. For all the millions of words written about al-Qaeda since the 9/11 attacks two years ago, one phenomenon is consistently overlooked -- the role of the Bosnian war in transforming the mujahedin of the 1980s into the roving Islamic terrorists today."

Will these latest revelations receive as little attention as the report in 1996 in The Houston Chronicle when NATO forces uncovered a terrorist training camp in Bosnia with weapons and explosives? "Most disturbing was a cache of ingenious bombs - some made out of children's toys." (my emphasis) Also discovered was a satellite dish giving the mujahedin the capability to communicate between Bosnia and Iran.

The Houston Chronicle further stated that U.S. Admiral Leighton Smith, commander of NATO forces in Bosnia, said as he toured the area, "No one can escape the obvious, that there is terrorist training activity going on in this building and it has direct association with people in the government," referring to the Bosnian Muslim government.

But it gets even more bizarre. Discovered also was a makeup room with charts instructing how to change eye color using contact lenses, peroxide bottles to alter hair color, and a dozen beards and mustaches to use as disguises. In classrooms, instructors had laid out mock-ups of installations. Notebooks detailed the daily lives of possible targets and manuals showed how to build bombs out of children's toys. "There is no military value to these types of devices; rigging toys is an act of terror," (my emphasis) said Col Brian Hoey, a NATO spokesman. His fellow spokesman, Col. John T. Kirkwood, added: "I never saw John Wayne rip the head off a plastic doll and throw it." (my emphasis)

President Bush accuses Iran of sending armed insurgents into Iraq, but where was the outrage when a 1997 Senate Republican Policy Committee report stated, "Clinton-Approved Iranian Arms Transfers Help Turn Bosnia into Militant Islamic Base"? (3) While exposing the Iranian connection to the Balkan war, the report also states that "Perhaps most threatening to the SFOR mission - and more importantly, to the safety of the American personnel serving in Bosnia - is the unwillingness of the Clinton Administration to come clean with the Congress and with the American people about its complicity in the delivery of weapons from Iran to the Muslim government in Sarajevo."

The Italian news agency AKI headlines, "Bosnia: Muslim Newspaper Points to Existence of Islamic Terror Camps," (4) writes, "Sarajevo, 30 August (AKI) - A Bosnian Muslim newspaper on Tuesday joined a chorus of mostly Serbian news reports on the existence of training camps for Islamic terrorists, accusing the international community of closing its eyes in front of this danger. The weekly Slobodna Bosna (Free Bosnia), whose editor is Senad Avdic, a moderate Muslim, in its latest issue described in detail how and where the alleged terrorist camps operate in Bosnia. The paper criticised the commander of the international forces in Bosnia (Eufor) David Leaky for his recent statement that he had no knowledge of the existence of such camps.

"In the article titled 'The Commander of Eufor in Bosnia David Leaky is Playing Dumb', the paper said that there was no point in presenting the facts to the 'uninformed general. 'Is he (Leaky) really uninformed, which is hard to believe, or is he conscientiously deceiving the local public, like most Western politicians who serve in Bosnia and advocate the thesis that the best thing for world security is that all terrorists be concentrated in one place, in Bosnia, where they can be kept under control?', the paper asked. The paper quoted former UN representative in Bosnia, Jacques Klein, as having confirmed to the Security Council that Islamic terrorists were active in Bosnia, but added that it was good they were concentrated in one place, because 'the rest of the world would be safe'."

Let me repeat that idiotic statement by one of the UN's high representatives, "The paper quoted former UN representative in Bosnia, Jacques Klein, as having confirmed to the Security Council that Islamic terrorists were active in Bosnia, but added that it was good they were concentrated in one place, because 'the rest of the world would be safe'."

Personally, I always thought that Jacques Klein somewhat resembled Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Propaganda Minister, in facial appearance, with his pointy nose, etc., but then that's just my observation. Goebbels is the one who coined the phrase ""If you tell a lie enough times, it becomes accepted as truth, and, the bigger the lie, the more likely it is to be accepted."
The New York Times of 3 December in an article, "Police Raid Raises Fears of Bosnia as Haven for Terrorists," writes, "A recent police raid on an apartment near this city's airport uncovered evidence of an imminent suicide bombing, intensifying the fears of Western security services that Bosnia is becoming a haven for Islamic militants.(5)

Therefore, it is safe to say Bosnia is the birthplace of Al-Qaeda.(6) At the time, Bosnia's Islamic terrorism was focused against the Serbian people, and therefore "justified." But if al-Qaeda could succeed in Bosnia, it could succeed anywhere in the world. Today, their terrorism is aimed at the American people. If only the Clinton administration had taken serious action against known Islamic terrorists in Bosnia when he had the chance, perhaps 9/11 would not have happened.

Bibliography
1. Terrorist Cells Find Foothold in Balkans | Back
2. Bakans seen as terrorist training ground| Back
3. Clinton-Approved Iranian Arms Transfers Help Turn Bosnia into Militant Islamic Base | Back
4. Bosnia: Muslim Newspaper Points to Existence of Islamic Terror Camps | Back
5. Police Raid Raises Fears of Bosnia as Haven for Terrorists | Back
6. Bosnia: The Birthplace of Al-Qaeda


Slim

Vilepagan
12-29-2005, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by slim
I can't exactly remember all the chum that Clinton spread in the water .....before we went into Bosnia ....and reduced the Serbian Armies and cities to sand. I know there were 7000 killed in Srebrenica ......but .........I always had a bad feeling about who's side we chose in that action.
Slim

Would you prefer that we had helped the Serbs commit genocide on the Muslims?

slim
12-29-2005, 06:45 PM
Oh that's right ........the chum was genocide .........what was it ....a 100,000 slaughtered .........??

I just think we may be wishing the Serbs were in a stronger position than they are today .....especially ............breaking up Yugoslavia into factions.

They will not stand with us now though ...that's for sure.


Slim

Lungdop Philing
12-29-2005, 08:21 PM
This thread belongs in the history section.

It certainly has nothing to do with politics.

astrapol2
12-30-2005, 04:42 AM
History and politics are often very closely linked.
This is not the only exemple of the USA supporting islamists : Afghanistan, Pakistan, Algeria… But in Bosnia people would never have turned to fundamentalism without the war started by croats and serbs.

Frogger
12-30-2005, 06:02 AM
The war was not started by Croats and Serbs. The war was started when ethnic Albanian muslems illegally settled in Serbian territory and began displacing the resident Serbs. The ultimate aim of the Albanian interlopers was to have the area annexed to what was to become Greater Albania. Whether people like it or not, the Serbs were correct in trying to maintain the territorial integrity of their country.

astrapol2
12-30-2005, 06:28 AM
OK, I was talking about the initial war that broke up in former Yugoslavia, not about the Kosovo war which was a consequence of the former.

slim
12-30-2005, 08:41 AM
And this was a news story that was reported this week by a number of news outlets ......who are investigating infiltration routes taken into greater Europe thru the Balkans.

It definitely has political insights on a number of fronts.

One being that the entire conflict was the initial start of al Qaida type terrorism and intrigue. Frogger mentioned the Albanian infiltration and attempt to undermine Yugoslavian soveriegnty.

Another being that ............100's of thousands ............if not millions were being slaughtered ........and ....it was imperative that action be taken. Where did this intelligence come from.


Slim

Lungdop Philing
12-30-2005, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by astrapol2
History and politics are often very closely linked.
This is not the only exemple of the USA supporting islamists : Afghanistan, Pakistan, Algeria… But in Bosnia people would never have turned to fundamentalism without the war started by croats and serbs.

This is a 6-7 year old issue and no more than a hate-Clinton thread. Actually, though, you're right ... it doesn't belong in history ... it belongs in the trash.

Frogger
12-30-2005, 02:13 PM
Since Bill Clinton's actions still have repercusions today it is certainly well worth discussing. The fact that it might embarrass some Clintonites is neither here nor there.

Lungdop Philing
12-30-2005, 02:46 PM
Bull-Jean-Schmidt frogger. The political forum has always been used to discuss the political affects of current events ... not rehashing crap about the Clintons 3 frigging administrations ago. A few warranted exceptions notwithstanding.

Travh20
12-30-2005, 03:37 PM
the fact that we can not bring up clinton or his "work" in regard to anything that happens today only shows how little he actually did, or it shows that his butt polishers only want to speak of their leader in glowing terms. either way, when bush is gone and whoever else takes over, I can pretty much bet that almost every post in this forum wil talk about GWB in some way.

slim
12-30-2005, 03:47 PM
Ok .....I will state here and now ............Islamo fascists ...........infiltrating Europe by taking routes into the continent ..........through the Balkans ...is a non story ....it only happened in history ..........*L*.


Slim

sedan
12-30-2005, 08:33 PM
This is a legitimate issue for discussion. It is slimplistic to say that intervention in Kosovo somehow started the modern Al-Qaeda threat. The first WTC attack was in 1993, two years prior. The cultural and political forces that drive the movement stretch far back into the past. That being said, the Balkans are now most certainly ripe for terrorist recruitment, and will without doubt play a role in the near future. What should all along have been a strictly European problem will again affect us directly.

In Odder Words
12-31-2005, 12:02 AM
If yer wunna them Rightwinkers who only used ta yell about how "Bad" Billie grew in office...



...then all the rest Serbs ya Right, I guess...




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www.clinton's-war-WUZ-mission-accomplished.edu

Lungdop Philing
12-31-2005, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by sedan
This is a legitimate issue for discussion. It is slimplistic to say that intervention in Kosovo somehow started the modern Al-Qaeda threat. The first WTC attack was in 1993, two years prior. The cultural and political forces that drive the movement stretch far back into the past. That being said, the Balkans are now most certainly ripe for terrorist recruitment, and will without doubt play a role in the near future. What should all along have been a strictly European problem will again affect us directly.

I'm not saying it's not a legitimate issue for discussion, rather that it's history and it belongs in the history threads. Discuss it over there.