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Decka
12-28-2005, 04:51 AM
Saw this the other day.... its a pretty long read but there are some good little quotes in here i thought i'd highlight:

"Brokeback Mountain," the controversial "gay cowboy" film that has garnered seven Golden Globe nominations and breathless media reviews – and has now emerged as a front-runner for the Oscars – is a brilliant propaganda film, reportedly causing viewers to change the way they feel about homosexual relationships and same-sex marriage.

And how do the movie-makers pull off such a dazzling feat? Simple. They do it by raping the "Marlboro Man," that revered American symbol of rugged individualism and masculinity.

We all know the Marlboro Man. In "The Marketing of Evil," I show how the Philip Morris Company made marketing history by taking one of the most positive American images of all time – the cowboy – and attaching it to a negative, death-oriented product – cigarettes.

Hit the pause button for a moment so this idea can completely sink in: Cigarette marketers cleverly attached, in the public's mind, two utterly unrelated things: 1) the American cowboy, with all of the powerful feelings that image evokes in us, of independence, self-confidence, wide-open spaces and authentic Americanism, and 2) cigarettes, a stinky, health-destroying waste of money. This legendary advertising campaign targeting men succeeded in transforming market underdog Marlboro (up until then, sold as a women's cigarette with the slogan "Mild as May") into the world's best-selling cigarette.

It was all part of the modern marketing revolution, which meant that, instead of touting a product's actual benefits, marketers instead would psychologically manipulate the public by associating their product with the fulfillment of people's deepest, unconscious needs and desires. (Want to sell liquor? Put a seductive woman in the ad.) Obviously, the marketers could never actually deliver on that promise – but emotional manipulation sure is an effective way to sell a lot of products.

The "Marlboro Man" campaign launched 50 years ago. Today, the powerful cowboy image is being used to sell us on another self-destructive product: homosexual sex and "gay" marriage.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48076

Napsterbater
12-28-2005, 04:55 AM
You might think random WorldNetDaily articles are interesting, Decka, but I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of posters here don't.

Will you please get your political propaganda somewhere else?

Freethinker
12-28-2005, 05:36 AM
Originally posted by Decka
And how do the movie-makers pull off such a dazzling feat? Simple. They do it by raping the "Marlboro Man," that revered American symbol of rugged individualism and masculinity.

From what I have read about the story, the sex involved is consensual.

No rape involved.

But then, the people at WorldNet Daily pushing this bit of -- **they're raping the Marlboro Man!!**-- homophobic nonsense have proven that little is to be expected from them in the way of rational commentary..........

Vilepagan
12-28-2005, 06:33 AM
Originally posted by Decka
The "Marlboro Man" campaign launched 50 years ago. Today, the powerful cowboy image is being used to sell us on another self-destructive product: homosexual sex and "gay" marriage.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48076

This is an "interesting thought"?

Decka, care to tell me why my lifestyle is "self-destructive"?

Evakian
12-28-2005, 07:35 AM
Originally posted by Decka
"Brokeback Mountain," the controversial "gay cowboy" film that has garnered seven Golden Globe nominations and breathless media reviews – and has now emerged as a front-runner for the Oscars – is a brilliant propaganda film, reportedly causing viewers to change the way they feel about homosexual relationships and same-sex marriage.

How is this a negative action?

It is like a children's cartoon that propagandizes the youth to share their belongings with others.

As for the remainder of the article, it attempts to draw a sort of comparison between homosexual relationships and tobacco based off the attachment to the cowboy in advertising and film. But in the end, this hazardous consumer product is a choice to purchase by the consumer, the advertisements in magazines and televisions shows were a choice to view, similarly--Brokeback Mountain is a choice to go see. Homosexuality is not a choice, nor does it cause harm to the individual...cigarettes do, cigarettes are a choice, cigarettes are a consumer good and not a part of who people are. Putting tobacco aside, a great deal of harm comes from those who carry a stigma of homosexuals, and have an agenda to campaign against them.

She-devil
12-28-2005, 09:07 AM
Lord knows that after seeing "Lady and the Tramp", this ole bitch sure wanted to find me a dog to share some spaghetti with. Oh and after watching Thelma and Louise, I wanted to drive my car off a cliff too and become a glamourous thief. Those films influenced me so much, I wanted to change my lifestyle, my thoughts, my definition of marriage, my.........:rolleyes:

Brooks
12-28-2005, 02:14 PM
I don't agree with the author's conclusion, but I do agree it is interesting (which is all Decka claimed in the title of this thread).

Brooks
12-28-2005, 02:20 PM
Analogy:

I heard an interesting analysis about African American progress in this country. If a racist was going to hatch a long term master plan to keep minorities down, it would consist of no school choice, benefits for multiple births out of wedlock, generous social services, removing the stigma of unemployment, establish an enemy as being responsible for your plight, etc....

That happens to be what is happening, but doesn't prove it was an intentional plot.

Now, if Hollywood had a long term plan to get an "alternative lifestyle" more acceptable, the best way would be to utilize an iconic american image. Again, it doesn't prove intent, but makes for an interesting article.

500lbguerilla
12-28-2005, 04:17 PM
"Brokeback Mountain," the controversial "gay cowboy" film that has garnered seven Golden Globe nominations and breathless media reviews – and has now emerged as a front-runner for the Oscars – is a brilliant propaganda film, reportedly causing viewers to change the way they feel about homosexual relationships and same-sex marriage. And how do the movie-makers pull off such a dazzling feat? Simple. They do it by ...presenting them as human beings.

If BBM is a homosexual propaganda film then gay people should be pissed about every single romance movie that has ever come out as 'heterosexual propaganda'. Don't want to stereotype but it seems that gay people have a far better grasp on reality in comparison to the raving heterosexuals that are coming out of the woodwork at the moment.