We have started a petition to have the "1983 Beirut Bombing Investigation" reopened due to very important information. Please help support our troops and vets by going to one of the following links and sign. There are 2 links due to the fact that some people were having browser issues with the first one, so we started an alternate petition for those people. Both are about the same thing so only sign one please. Also be sure to sign your FIRST and LAST name.

Thank you in advance for your support.

Original Petition (http://www.petitiononline.com/SM2/petition.html)

Alternate Petition (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/386636109)

Might be a wrthy petition to sign ....I'd like to know more about it. I think it probably always was thought ...that some bad guys did it.

One Islamo fascist is just like another Islamic fascist ...........whether it be Hezbollah or the Syrian Intelligence Agency .......but .I don't get your drift.

Who are you saying is responsible for the bomb .......?? And what is the new evidence .....??

Splain .......plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.


Slim

maybe they should spell check that web page first?

Oh gads .........another spell checker in here .........*L* ...........I thought one was enough with Karnak(Cheapshot Artist & Spellchecker).


Slim

Originally posted by DrewM
maybe they should spell check that web page first?

Yeah we know Drew. Once it went through it was too late to change the "Investigation" spelling. And it looks even worse because it's written on that page several times because of the format that the petition company uses.
I sent an email to them in hopes that they'll fix that for us.
As you can see it's spelled fine in the actual petition though.

Originally posted by slim
Might be a wrthy petition to sign ....I'd like to know more about it. I think it probably always was thought ...that some bad guys did it.

One Islamo fascist is just like another Islamic fascist ...........whether it be Hezbollah or the Syrian Intelligence Agency .......but .I don't get your drift.

Who are you saying is responsible for the bomb .......?? And what is the new evidence .....??

Splain .......plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.


Slim

Ok 'splainin,
I was in Beirut in 1983 during the recovery operation I found a message from the mobile CIA that warned of the attack. I read it and it said we would be attacked. I am not going to disclose alot here until I know it has been declassified.
What we want is for the government to dig deeper and find the person or persons responsible for the lack of response to the warning.
The Marines went on alert the night of the 22nd and stood down at 0200 on the morning of the 23rd, just 4 hours from the attack. I want to know why, did the order to stand down come from Washington, or was it a local decision.
I spoke with Bart Stupak of Michigan and he told me that a classified version of that report existed but I can not go into detail on that either.
I can say that according to those who have seen the class. version that alot of the rumors on the web are true. If so I want all of this exposed so that we the people may also know the truth.
I left 241 of my brothers in Beirut that day, and until justice is done none of us can move on. Those who came home have lived in pain for 22 years and we all deserve to rest.
I have spoken to alot of the families of those killed and they want it reopened, survivors want it reopened, the only ones afraid are the politicians.
We want to tell Washington that a marble memorial isn't enough, we want justice and most importantly we want the men who died to never be forgotten. The total number of killed in Beirut is 273, 241 in one day, one instant of time. That is the largest loss of US Military in combat in one day since the Tet Offensive and the largest loss of Marines since Iwo Jima.
Iran backed Hezbollah on the delivery of the bomb, the CIA warned us and no one did anything about it. Some say Israel knew the make, model, color and even Lic Plate of the truck. Some reports say that they even saw it being fitted to carry the device.
I hope I have convinced you to sign this petition, I did convince Bart Stupak to ask for it to be reopened but he told me we would need more political muscle, so I am here for your help.

B_V
USN 1977-1985

You convinced me BV. I'll sign your petition.

Originally posted by Frogger
You convinced me BV. I'll sign your petition.

Thank you :)

I have signed your petition as well. I think this needs to be examined, and the reasons for the decisions that were made need to be revealed. I do not pre-judge what those reasons may have been, or who may have screwed up; but the circumstances seem to indicate that someone made either a foolhardy decision or perhaps worse. That should be determined.

Originally posted by Imagineer
I have signed your petition as well. I think this needs to be examined, and the reasons for the decisions that were made need to be revealed. I do not pre-judge what those reasons may have been, or who may have screwed up; but the circumstances seem to indicate that someone made either a foolhardy decision or perhaps worse. That should be determined.

Thank you as well :)

Signed and "stickied"...hope that helps. :)

Originally posted by Vilepagan
Signed and "stickied"...hope that helps. :)
Thanks Vile :) We're getting there slowly but surely.

Signed 26 Dec

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
Signed 26 Dec

Thanks Dan :)

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
Some say Israel knew the make, model, color and even Lic Plate of the truck. Some reports say that they even saw it being fitted to carry the device.

B_V
USN 1977-1985

I read a book about Mossad a few month ago, writen by a former Israeli agent. He confirmed that they knew about the bombing but did not try to stop it or help the american. I'll try to find the precise quote.

I have read the book, but we have to take that with a grain of salt. I have been sort of told by our government that this rumor is true but I want to see it in writing. They were mad because we took Arafat out of the country, so they gave us basic intel, I read that intel message and we should have listened to it due to its originator, mobile CIA issued some warnings but not alot and this one stated a 2 day period.
If Israel did with hold info then we have some real problems that may run deeper than most of us know.
We went there to keep them from killing the PLO and the assault by the Israelis put a large burden on the flimsy government of Lebanon anyway. SO they asked us, LAF, to aid them and we did. We kept the Israelis from killing Muslims but yet we became the enemy of the Muslims in Beiurt.
I read somewhere that the New Jersey fired into the suburbs of Beirut in late 82. Well she wasnt recommissioned until Dec 82 and arrived in Beirut in Sept 83 and never fired while I was there. We left in Nov of 83.

If we read the same book, and if I remember well, it was more a problem with Mossad's agents cynicism and lack of ethics than a deliberate will from Israel. This book is rather scary about Mossasd's methods and power in Israeli society.

The Arafat thing came from other sources, kind of the ones I eluded to earlier. It was we called " A pissing war".

I am so very upset that these things could happen and 241 Americans and 50+ French were killed because someone was pissed at someone else.

Hell O_D has pissed me off but if I knew someone was going to hurt him I would do whatever I could stop it.

First rule, Do no Harm.

Not much to add to your post !

BTW what exactly do you expect your govt to do with this petition ?

Originally posted by Swede
Yeah we know Drew. Once it went through it was too late to change the "Investigation" spelling. And it looks even worse because it's written on that page several times because of the format that the petition company uses.
I sent an email to them in hopes that they'll fix that for us.
As you can see it's spelled fine in the actual petition though.

Just wanted to say that typos happen when something serious is on your mind. But everyone knows what it's supposed to say, so it's not a big issue, but the petition IS.

Originally posted by astrapol2
Not much to add to your post !

BTW what exactly do you expect your govt to do with this petition ?

Without the support of all people including you astra nothing.
We havent forgotten the French loss that day either, we want it looked into so that those who are responsible can be brought to justice.

Iran
Hezbollah
Maybe Israel
Maybe USA

Who knows how deep it really goes, my fight is for all Beirut Veterans including British, French, Italians and Americans we were all there and we all paid a price for that mission.
My government will try to ignore this but the louder the voice the harder to ignore. I have one Congressman on my side now we need 200 more :@@:

I would have signed with pleasure if I had been an american citizen, which is the condition required to sign it. Anyway you have all my sympathy !

Astral here is one that you can sign, it is one that is directed to the international community. I appreciate your support, finally something we can see eye to eye on :)


Beirut Petition Anyone Can Sign (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/386636109)

I signed it.

I'm sure we share much more values that you 'd guess...

I've added my signature to your petition, B_V.

May it grant you some small comfort.

Thank both of you, my comfort is not the important thing. The comfort of those families of the dead and the families if those who still suffer. Swede's comfort is most important. I served my country willingly and knew to an extent that something like this could happen, but she and my children didnt sign up for this and they like all the families who are burdened are the ones who matter.
But I appreciate the thought and you support.
Astra do you think you could find some French Bierut Veterans from 1983, we are planning a walk in 2008 of 273 miles and we would like to invite veterans of all the nations who served during those 2 years 82-84.

I am going to ask anyone who is against the war, the troops to remember one thing, the soldiers can handle the hate but the families are hurt the most. So remember when you who get up and bad talk the troops you are hurting innocent women and children more.
I know that only a few here get that way and I want them to think about it.

Hate the war, Love the Warrior- Lt. Gen Hal Moore

I tried to find french Beirut veterans associations on the web but I did not find any. It seems french veteran associations are organised by army corp rather than by place of operations.

I signed both of them............I think everything about this stupid war is misleading and should be fully investigated!!!!!

God bless

We have been fighting for justice for Veterans and to have the Beirut Bombing Investigation Reopened, why? Because I found not five feet from a fallen hero a message. He had his .45 drawn and was prepared for an attack, he woudn't have thought it would come in the form of a truck bomb with the equvilant of 20k + pounds of TNT. He thought it was an enemy he could defend against and we all thought that we would be warned. Five feet from his body lay the message that warned of the attack, it was specific enough that even the newest of CIA analyst or Pentagon staffer would have seen the day of attack. The message said we might be attacked between the 22 and 24 of October 1983, the 22 was a Saturday and the 24th was Monday. Islamic Terrorists like to hit when our routines are changed, so after being in this country for over a year they knew that on Sunday it was Holiday Routine. So of course the day of attack would be the 23rd, Sunday a Christian Holy Day.
I have lived for 22 years seeing the ghosts of these brave men in my dreams asking me why havent I done something, said what I saw raised my voice to be heard over the roar of apathy, so now I must. I walk with them in my dreams and tell them I don't know how, but I do, I know how but I can not do it alone, so I ask for your help. Tell everyone you know that we need to reopen this investigation. I have spoken with two women, one the sister and the other the widow both ask for this. The widow also lost her brother that day, these families are crying for justice and I will do all I can to bring the heroes home.
We live amongst mediocrity yet heroes rise above all, the men I knew who died that day did not want to be heroes, they wanted to be Fathers, Brothers, Sons, Uncles,Nephews and Husbands, they wanted to grow old and enjoy the things we all take for granted. I have lived in a gray haze for 22 years, I have walked upon numb legs and carried the weight of 241 men all wanting only one thing, justice, not for themselves but for the ones they left behind to carry on.
Now I must carry on in their place, we must stand together, shoulder to shoulder fearing no one and demand that all involved be brought to justice, whether it be the Hezbollah Leaders, The Iranian Sponsors, The Israeli who decided to not tell us or the American who ignored the warning. All are responsible for these deaths.
I am not a left wing protestor, I am a right wing conservative. I am more of a Libertarian than a Republican but mostly I am a human.
Please pass this on, get the word out, tell your newspapers, the local TV news and most importantly ask your Representitive to join Bart Stupak in asking for this investigation to be reopened.

Steven Ayers SM2 USN

It is starting to pick up speed. We heard yesterday that the Select Committee on Intel is now looking at my husband's evidence and should contact him within 4-6 weeks. So looks like someone read the letter from Congressman Stupak to Rumsfeld.

On a side note:

We also ordered a plaque for Iron Mountain VA to display and he will walk it to them this summer as soon as he has a chaser car. It's exactly 241 miles from our house, strange huh? One mile for each of the fallen in the bombing.

I've read your posts and signed the petition. It's a good cause that I pray will get the attention it needs.
If it weren't for people as yourselves pushing for justice this would have been swept under the rugs and forgotten like so many other things have. Thanks to both of you these soldiers won't be forgotten as so many others have.

Eligible signatories: Anyone who is able to vote in the U.S.A.

I would sign it if I was able to vote...

Originally posted by Bit/Byte
I would sign it if I was able to vote...

We appreciate it though that you would if you could :) Thanks hun.

I have my doubts if the politicians will listen to you guys, but I give you my moral support, but being a foreigner I wont sign, as it would only be binned,Good Luck.