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es347fan
03-14-2003, 12:54 PM
The French Connection

March 13, 2003
By WILLIAM SAFIRE


WASHINGTON

France, China and Syria all have a common reason for
keeping American and British troops out of Iraq: the three
nations may not want the world to discover that their
nationals have been illicitly supplying Saddam Hussein with
materials used in building long-range surface-to-surface
missiles.

We're not talking about short-range Al Samoud 2 missiles,
which Saddam is ostentatiously destroying to help his
protectors avert an invasion, nor his old mobile Scuds. The
delivery system for mass destruction warheads requires a
much more sophisticated propulsion system and fuels.

If you were running the Iraqi ballistic missiles project,
where in the world would you go to buy the chemical that is
among the best binders for solid propellant?

Answer: to 116 DaWu Road in Zibo, a city in the Shandong
Province of China, where a company named Qilu Chemicals is
a leading producer of a transparent liquid rubber named
hydroxy terminated polybutadiene, familiarly known in the
advanced-rocket trade as HTPB.

But you wouldn't want the word "chemicals" to appear
anywhere on the purchase because that might alert
inspectors enforcing sanctions, so you employ a couple of
cutouts. One is an import-export company with which Qilu
Chemicals often does business.

To be twice removed from the source, you would turn to CIS
Paris, a Parisian broker that is active in dealings of many
kinds with Baghdad. Its director is familiar with the order
but denies being the agent.

A shipment of 20 tons of HTPB, whose sale to Iraq is
forbidden by U.N. resolutions and the oil-for-food
agreement, left China in August 2002 in a 40-foot
container. It arrived in the Syrian port of Tartus
(fortified by the Knights Templar in 1183, and the
Mediterranean terminus for an Iraqi oil pipeline today) and
was received there by a trading company that was an
intermediary for the Iraqi missile industry, the end user.
The HTPB was then trucked across Syria to Iraq.

Syria has no sophisticated missile-building program. What
rocket weaponry it has comes off the shelf (and usually on
credit) from Russia, so it therefore has no use for HTPB.
But cash-starved Syria is the conduit for missile supplies
to cash-flush Saddam, as this shipment demonstrates. We
will have to wait until after the war to find out how much
other weaponry, for what huge fees, Saddam has stored in
currently un-inspectable Syrian warehouses.

The French connection - brokering the deal among the
Chinese producer, the Syrian land transporter and the Iraqi
buyer - is no great secret to the world's arms merchants.
French intelligence has long been aware of it. The
requirement for a French export license as well as U.N.
sanctions approval may have been averted by disguising it
as a direct offshore sale from China to Syria.

I'm also told that a contract was signed last April in
Paris for five tons of 99 percent unsymmetric
dimethylhydrazine, another advanced missile fuel, which is
produced by France's Société Nationale des Poudre et
Explosifs. In addition, Iraqi attempts to buy an oxidizer
for solid propellant missiles, ammonium perchlorate, were
successful, at least on paper. Both chemicals, like HTPB,
require explicit approval by the U.N. Sanctions Committee
before they can be sold to Iraq.

Perhaps a few intrepid members of the Chirac Adoration
Society, formerly known as the French media, will ask
France's lax export-control authorities about these
shipments. U.N. inspectors looking at Iraq's El Sirat
trading company might try to follow its affiliate, the
Gudia Bureau, to dealings in Paris.

Is this account what journalists call a "keeper," one held
back for publication at a critical moment, made more
newsworthy by the Security Council debate? No; I've been
poking around for only about a week, starting with data
originating from an Arab source, not from the C.I.A.
(Anti-Kurdish analysts at Langley have it in for me for
embarrassing them for 18 months on Al Qaeda's ties to
Saddam, especially in the terrorist Ansar enclave in Iraqi
Kurdistan.)

This detail about the France-China-Syria-Iraq propellant
collaboration makes for dull reading, but reveals some of
the motivation behind the campaign of those nations to
suppress the truth. The truth, however, will come out.

DrewM
03-14-2003, 07:33 PM
I think there will be a lot of interesting in Sadaams filing cabinet & I bet a lot of it is written in French. Ultimately it would server no real purpose to embarass the French with such info, but you never know - the US may just release it anyway.

es347fan
03-15-2003, 08:26 AM
Just imagine a convoy of FedEx delivery trucks heading toward the French capitol, loaded with certified copies of everything in the iraqi idiot's filing cabinets that even remotely involves the French.

astrapol2
03-15-2003, 08:47 AM
I do not doubt many french people have been dealing with Iraq. Dealing weapons to dictators has been a french speciality for 40 years. But I doubt this is the biggest scandal about Iraq - and thers is no need to send troops in Bagadad to find much worse evidence for the USA.

"US helped as Saddam plotted chemical attacks

David Teather, New York
Monday August 19, 2002
The Guardian

The US conducted a covert military campaign to help Iraq during its war with Iran, despite knowing that Baghdad intended to use chemical weapons in a number of battles, according to a report in the New York Times.

The report says the programme was carried out during the Reagan administration, at a time when the White House was publicly condemning Iraq for its use of lethal gas.

President George Bush and the his national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, have repeatedly cited Iraq's use of gas during the 1981-1988 conflict as justification for a potential attack on the country.

The report quotes senior officers with direct knowledge of the secret programme.

The sources said that US aid was given in the form of critical battle planning assistance.

It has long been known that the US provided intelligence to the Iraqis from satellite photography to help them see where Iranian forces were massing against them.

But the highly classified programme is said to have involved more than 60 defence intelligence agency officers who secretly provided information on Iranian deployments, tactical planning for battles, plans for air strikes and bomb-damage assessments.

The allegations may embarrass the secretary of state, Colin Powell, who was Ronald Reagan's national security adviser.

(…)"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,776844,00.html

HaVoK
03-15-2003, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by astrapol2
I do not doubt many french people have been dealing with Iraq. Dealing weapons to dictators has been a french speciality for 40 years. But I doubt this is the biggest scandal about Iraq - and thers is no need to send troops in Bagadad to find much worse evidence for the USA.

"US helped as Saddam plotted chemical attacks

David Teather, New York
Monday August 19, 2002
The Guardian

The US conducted a covert military campaign to help Iraq during its war with Iran, despite knowing that Baghdad intended to use chemical weapons in a number of battles, according to a report in the New York Times.

The report says the programme was carried out during the Reagan administration, at a time when the White House was publicly condemning Iraq for its use of lethal gas.

President George Bush and the his national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, have repeatedly cited Iraq's use of gas during the 1981-1988 conflict as justification for a potential attack on the country.

The report quotes senior officers with direct knowledge of the secret programme.

The sources said that US aid was given in the form of critical battle planning assistance.

It has long been known that the US provided intelligence to the Iraqis from satellite photography to help them see where Iranian forces were massing against them.

But the highly classified programme is said to have involved more than 60 defence intelligence agency officers who secretly provided information on Iranian deployments, tactical planning for battles, plans for air strikes and bomb-damage assessments.

The allegations may embarrass the secretary of state, Colin Powell, who was Ronald Reagan's national security adviser.

(…)"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,776844,00.html Ummm, this isnt evidence. It's simply an allegation. Seems as though a lot of people dont know the difference.

astrapol2
03-16-2003, 05:53 AM
"Allegations" by senior officers who were involved. The Guardian and the New York Times do not have the reputation of publishing any unverified story just to sell paper.

DrewM
03-16-2003, 06:59 AM
It's probably true, but i'm just looking forward to the hard evidence of French arms sales on TV after the war.

astrapol2
03-16-2003, 10:02 AM
You don't have to wait. The fact that France was a major supplier of weapons and technology to Iraq is well known. In 1990, half of Saddam's army equipment was of french origine. And the nuclear and bacteriological/chemical programs are quite well known too : they have been using french, german and american providers.

The question here is : is this the reason why the French govt opposes to war ? This is seducing but not very likely.
First, because these facts are already known.
Second, because to avoid the discovery of further scndals, France should also have opposed to inspections, while it has been supporting further investigations.
Third, because it would in this case have been far more effective to join the colaition in order to have special services in Bagdad when Saddam fells, able to destroy the supposed evidence. France would never have opposed the USA only to avoid a scandal - it would have been so easy to deal with the USA in order to keep the little dirty secrets under the carpet in exchange for information.

I think that Chirac's position is a result of geopolitical interests (keeping good relations with the Muslim world - and more broadly, a drastically different analysis of what should be done in order to keep the world's safety ), economical reasons (trying to keep a part of Iraq oil), and public opinion. And maybe also conviction, but I am not Chirac so this is only speculation.

DrewM
03-16-2003, 02:19 PM
I'm sure you are right. I too can't imagine that France would burn their relationship with the US to hide some shipments of arms. I think what will come out though is assisstance & shipments post 1991 when the sanctions began. Even so, I doubt that would be motivation enough - the US wouldn't embarrass their allies and friends.

The reason is future access & favour with Iraq once the sanctions are lifted vs a totally different picture sadaam is gone & the US controls Iraq, plus more importantly - France making a statement about its role in the world.

es347fan
03-16-2003, 02:37 PM
PARIS (AP) - French President Jacques Chirac said Sunday he was willing to accept a 30-day deadline for Iraq to disarm, provided the move was endorsed by the chief U.N. weapons inspectors.

Chirac made the offer just hours before President Bush and his top allies backing war, Tony Blair of Britain and Jose Maria Aznar of Spain, held an emergency summit in the Azores islands.

"One month, two months, I am ready to accept any accord on this point that has the approval of the inspectors," Chirac said in an interview, according to extracts released by the president's office. The full CBS "60 minutes" interview was scheduled for broadcast Sunday night, Chirac's office said, and parts of it were aired by CNN.
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Yet another case of some blooming idiot wanting to make the rules in a game he doesn't even play. That's mighty 'white' of him