:rant: I have a few questions. I know the President has probably answered these, but I want to know, without politics in the way.
What is the reason behind this 'war'?
Why are our men and women in some forien country, if it has nothing to do with us?
In the Constitution, it says 'During times of war, no one may say or do anything that may hurt our troops.' Well girls and boys, if this hurts, too bad.

Take politics away from the war, and you have little left.

Okay, but take out the politics, and we all realize, Hey, Bob, look, we're fighting a war and it's for someone else's Constitution.
I mean, why are we there? Why do Americans feel the need to stick their noses where they don't belong?

It's all politics sweetie. Separate the politics from the war, and you won't be able to think about it properly. Even the "Hey Bob, look, we're fighting a war and it's for someone else's Constitution," is politics.

Politics is one of those words that doesn't really mean anything, or it means everything, depending on how you look at it. Nobody wants to admit that their viewpoints are purely political, but that is essentially what they are.

Okay, but I hate admitting anyone is right. Meaning I'm American through and through. Anywho, I still don't understand why we're there. We have nothing to do with Iraq, except their exceptional amount of oil. So, okay, everything's political, but still, the President can go on for hours about this war, and I can learn more on the net. That's kinda sad.
By the way, don't call me sweetie, truthfully, pet names aren't a hot spot for me, but that one sucks. Anyother name is fine, hun, hag, freak on the net...

Dear Hag

No, that doesn't sound nice.

Dear Hun

That's better.

Hun, the President has finally owned up to the fact that we are nation building in Iraq. If Iraq becomes democratic it will be the only democratic Arab regime in the world and will serve as a beacon to citizens in other Arab countries who are chaffing under dictatorships or theocracies.

WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!!!! :hitout: :( :(

We could if you would all just do as I say.

:D no I don't wanna and you can't make me so :p

War is a racket - decorated Marine outlines how hes a hired goon for corporations.
http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

"War is a sociological safety valve that cleverly diverts popular hatred for the ruling classes into a happy occasion to mutilate or kill foreign enemies."
— Ernest Becker

War: “the inhumane use of force for illegal ends justified by lies told by sociopaths to rationalize the slaughter of the innocent for the private gain of a few” amon

"[War is] A violent response to complxity by simple minds."
- Medard Gabel

"I believe in compulsory cannibalism. If people were forced to eat what they killed, there would be no more wars."
Abbie Hoffman

"I see in the future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow. The money power will endeavor to prolong its reign by working on the prejudices of the people until all the wealth is aggregated into a few hands and the republic is destroyed." - Lincoln

"Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes...known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few…No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."
– James Madison, Political Observations, 1795

"Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." Hermann Goering, 1946, Commander-in-Chief of the Luftwaffe, Hitler's designated successor

"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." --julias caesar

Originally posted by BelittledHeart
:rant: I have a few questions. I know the President has probably answered these, but I want to know, without politics in the way.
What is the reason behind this 'war'?
Why are our men and women in some forien country, if it has nothing to do with us?
In the Constitution, it says 'During times of war, no one may say or do anything that may hurt our troops.' Well girls and boys, if this hurts, too bad.

In the wake of 9/11 the admin made a foreign policy decision to limit the proliferation of wmd. The admin has done so with iraq, has done so with NK and is in the process of dealing with Iran.

Iraq was the most significant threat in terms of wmd proliferation. They needed to be dealt with, permanently.

This is in reply to everyone's posts. WE DON'T BELONG IN IRAQ. IT'S NOT OUR NATION TO REBUILD. THEY HAVE THEIR PROBLEMS, WE HAVE OURS. DON'T LET OUR PEOPLE DIE BECAUSE OF THE PRESIDENT'S NEED TO STICK IS OVERSIZED NOSE WHERE IT DOESN'T BELONG!

Originally posted by Frogger
Dear Hag

No, that doesn't sound nice.


No it doesn't...not at all...I'm surprised Frogger.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
No it doesn't...not at all...I'm surprised Frogger. Vilepagan, don't worry, I did say I would rather being called that than 'sweetie', neh?

Why must you print so small!?:D

Originally posted by BelittledHeart
IT'S NOT OUR NATION TO REBUILD.

We broke it, we bought it.

:hitout: In all reality, who truthfully took the first blow? Nobody can ever tell anymore.

Do a search for 'Project for a New American Century'.

That is the base declaration of the neo-cons and was written in 1999. Something along the lines of how the world will be better off under American Leadership. All they needed was a 'Pearl Harbor' type incident to happen in order to put it into effect.

Along came 9-11 and Bingo!

I encourage you to look it up.

I agree with your viewpoint on the war in Iraq, Belittled Heart.

Why are we wasting money and blood over there when there is much to do here? Ask the people in New Orleans or Mississippi what they think.

That's a good point we can't take care of our own troubles but we love adding more to an allready overflowing plate.

That's a good point we can't take care of our own troubles but we love adding more to an allready overflowing plate.
Omegosh! Someone who has common sence! Well, everyone here on this board has it, but, well, this dude's frank, and I'm George... Heh... A joke...

We go to war because, well, it's just what we humans do. We get bored and restless and need to do something. In the absence of exploration, there is always conquest. Kinda like the, "You have it, I want it" syndrome but on a global scale.

Also, War is damned interesting. Imagine it, what would we all talk about if everybody got along? I'd probably kill myself out of sheer boredom.

But that's just my 3 cents.

Originally posted by Evil Homer
We go to war because, well, it's just what we humans do. We get bored and restless and need to do something. In the absence of exploration, there is always conquest. Kinda like the, "You have it, I want it" syndrome but on a global scale.

Also, War is damned interesting. Imagine it, what would we all talk about if everybody got along? I'd probably kill myself out of sheer boredom.

But that's just my 3 cents.
Okay, so you made yours. But people are dying because we're bored. Why kill our own people outta sheer bordom? It's freakin suiside for the troops, who could be home right now during the Holidays.

Originally posted by BelittledHeart
Okay, so you made yours. But people are dying because we're bored. Why kill our own people outta sheer bordom? It's freakin suiside for the troops, who could be home right now during the Holidays.

I think the point Homer was making is that war seems to be ingrained in the human psyche. I think it's mostly because we have very little competition in the natural world, so we're self-competing.

Okay, and he made an excellent point. But, we all say how far we've come in 'evolution' (Totally different argument, won't get into that particular one) and we subject ourselves, troops, and children to a war that we have absolutely nothing to do with, just because it's burned into our subconsious. People always look at the next generation and have high hopes, then we have a war like this, and wonder why the world is a freakin madhouse!

Originally posted by Evil Homer
We go to war because, well, it's just what we humans do. We get bored and restless and need to do something. In the absence of exploration, there is always conquest. Kinda like the, "You have it, I want it" syndrome but on a global scale.

I can think of many other things to do when bored besides start a war :) I agree war is about who is going to get what{greed} humans are allways on a quest for something instead of just being happy with what they have.

Also, War is damned interesting. Imagine it, what would we all talk about if everybody got along? I'd probably kill myself out of sheer boredom.

Imagine how peacefull it would be for all of those that don't want war, if those that do just kill themselfs? Plus it would give the peacefull people something to talk about. I vote we let all the power heads go to war and the rest of us will get front row tickets. {what a change, the people in charge actually have to fight their own BS} :)

How many wars would stop if the people in charge actually had to do the fighting?????????????? It's easy to start a war when you have the simple people{common folk} do the dying for your agenda

Originally posted by mad dog
Imagine how peacefull it would be for all of those that don't want war, if those that do just kill themselfs? Plus it would give the peacefull people something to talk about. I vote we let all the power heads go to war and the rest of us will get front row tickets. {what a change, the people in charge actually have to fight their own BS} :) [/B] Geez, that would be a great change! And to heck with front row ticks, I'm gonna be the reff!

ahh but the people who want wars are pussies. The people who like to fight in them on the otherhand are psychos. I say we pit one side against the other.

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
ahh but the people who want wars are pussies. The people who like to fight in them on the otherhand are psychos. I say we pit one side against the other.
Wooh! What an interesting war. Then leave normal people out of it, huh?

Why are Republicans so afraid of dissent? This nation was founded on free speech and daring to disagree with a rouge government. That is patriotism! It's the freedom to call out our elected officials when they screw up or act outside the boundaries of the law and good taste with impunity!
They only want to uphold democracy when it matches their agenda and the religious, right-wing, Spongebobophobic nut jobs are stroked! It doesn't work that way!
Maybe they're worried that the American people who are disgusted with their actions are making too much sense.