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Steves Mac
03-13-2003, 01:01 AM
In the years since the Gulf War (1990-1991), the United States and Iraq have been engaged in a state of continued hostility. Under the terms of the armistice, which ended the war over Kuwait in 1991, Iraq agreed to allowed United Nations weapons inspectors to search for and destroy suspected weapons of mass destruction (White House). Nuclear, biological and chemical weapons are included in this category, and Iraq is known to have previously used chemical weapons in warfare with Iran and with Kurdish rebels (White House). In January of 1998, Iraq announced its intention to deny United Nations weapons inspectors access to eight presidential sites (Lee). The British and American Governments announced that they would resort to the use of force if the inspectors were not granted total and unconditional access to any suspect locations (Lee). The international community appears united in insisting that the regime of Saddam Hussein fulfils its obligations under the relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions (Lee).
Since American and British forces carried out Operation Desert Fox in December 1998 against Iraq, this "forgotten" war in the Middle East has only become worse (Dodd). Since the beginning of 1999, Allied pilots have launched over 1,100 missiles against 359 Iraqi targets (Dodd). That number equals nearly three times the amount of ordnance used in the four-day Desert Fox strike. Also, the pilots in the Iraq War have flown two-thirds the number of missions as NATO pilots in the Kosovo War (Dodd). By all accounts, Iraqi forces continue to target their radars and fire missiles at Allied warplanes despite the punishment inflicted from the air (Dodd). In addition, the death rate for small children has doubled in Iraq over the past decade. These child deaths are attributed to the continuing war and economic sanctions on Iraq.
Currently, with our president, George W. Bush, escalating threats against Iraq, he is serving notice on Iraqi President Saddam Hussein that the time for prevarication is over (Copson). More immediately, Bush is also signaling U.S. allies that he is prepared to go to war with Iraq without their approval. The increasingly belligerent White House rhetoric puts the Bush administration at odds with many of its European allies, particularly France, which has threatened to veto a second U.N. Security Council resolution authorizing a war with Iraq over its weapons of mass destruction (Copson). Even Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain, Bush?s most loyal supporter, has called for U.N. weapons inspectors to be given the ?time and space? to complete their work (Copson). There, however, remains a possibility that a ?smoking gun? will emerge that would persuade the French and other allies of the case for early military action (Copson). But for now the United States faces the prospect of fighting a major war with little international support.


I don?t think that the United States has the grounds, or the right to engage in a war with Iraq. The Bush Administration is using all its influence and power available to push the world into a military invasion of Iraq. The new national strategic philosophy of preemptive war that the Administration spreads is a dangerous escalation. According to the UN Charter no nation has the right to attack another. The only exceptions are if the Security Council specifically authorizes a military strike, or in self-defense. Self defense is only if an armed attack occurs. Iraq has not attacked the U.S, so self-defense does not apply. The U.S. claims it has the right of "preemptive self-defense" to go to war against Iraq, without any further authorization from the United Nations, but the UN Charter does not authorize that.
For alternatives to war for disarming Iraq, I think the U.S. should, first of all, announce that war is not a solution to disarming Iraq, and that diplomacy and truly international initiatives replace war. Then, the U.S. should support the work of the UN inspectors in Iraq, and respect the independence and authority of the United Nations as decision-maker regarding inspections.
Bush?s determination to go to war against Iraq, unilaterally or multilaterally, expresses the worldwide strategy of the U.S. for oil and controlling the oil region. A war which will victimize thousands of civilians, and the destruction of their homes and properties. Bush's reasons for going to war with Iraq have nothing to do with defending the Iraqi people, or the American people. In reality it has little to do with disarming Iraq, and everything to do with oil, and enforcing a "regime change" in a country which sends the U.S. 1 million barrels of oil a day! Iraq's oil reserves are second only to Saudi Arabia's. The question of which oil companies would control Iraq's rich oil fields, once sanctions are lifted, has moved to the top of Washington's agenda. Nonetheless, GW picked a good country to start a war with. No one in the U.S. likes Saddam Hussein. He?s an evil dictator who murders his own people.
These days everyone is so familiar with the Bush administration's constant accusation that Iraq is an "evil" nation, hell-bent on nuking and gassing the entire civilized world, and possess weapons of mass destruction. But what they don?t know is that the United States provided and sold those weapons of mass destruction to Iraq, when Reagan took Iraq of the State Department's list of countries regarded as supporters of international terrorism in 1982, which opened up the opportunity for billions of dollars of imports and exports between the U.S. and Iraq. According to the estimate of the CIA and British intelligence, Iraq is years away from acquiring nuclear weapons. There is also no evidence that the Iraqi government has any ties to the al-Qaeda network.
A war on Iraq seems inevitable at the present time. Despite of Iraqi attempts to concede to the demands of the UN, this is no longer enough for imperialism which is growing impatient. The U.S. and Britain maintain that Saddam is a liar and that they will have to attack anyway. If the U.S. attacks Iraq, it will make the entire Muslim world hate us even more, opening up the U.S. for terrorist attacks. There is almost no international support for the Bush Administration?s war. Israel is the only country in the region that openly supports a U.S. war on Iraq. Israel is most likely to benefit from a U.S. war in the form of increased financial support. Israel would probably use a war on Iraq as cover for a more aggressive campaign against the Palestinians.
After researching the United States and Iraq conflict, and understanding the U.S.?s position on war, with it?s imperialistic goals, and wanting to start a war, with almost no support internationally, with Iraq, for oil, I confirmed my beliefs about the United States war on Iraq.

Steves Mac
03-13-2003, 01:02 AM
Copson, Raymond. Iraq War? Current Situation and Issues for Congress. Congressional Research Services: The Library of Congress. January 29, 2003.

Dodd, Tom. The Iraq Crisis. International Affairs and Defense section: House of Commons Library. February 16, 1998.

Lee, R. "The History Guy: Iraq-U.S./UK War (1991-Present)." The History Guy: Iraq-U.S./UK Conflict. September 1, 2001
<http://www.historyguy.com/Iraq-U.S._Conflict.html>

White House. ?Saddam Hussein?s Iraq.? Saddam Hussein?s Iraq. January 20, 2001
<http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/reasons.html>

BorgHunter
03-13-2003, 03:51 PM
This seems to fit more under World News. Moving...

DrewM
03-14-2003, 12:46 AM
Your drawing is so stupid.

Maybe you should make another one where it had a woman and a child on the ground with their head cut off & 3 executioners

Milsoevich, Taliban, Hussain

And then behind those 3 have the US with an axe chopping off their heads

BorgHunter
03-14-2003, 05:00 PM
Drew! I can honestly say I'm shocked. I could imaging you saying "misinformed" or "wrong" or something along those lines...but "stupid"? Really, that's rather insulting. I'd edit it if you weren't an admin.

In any case, I agree with the cartoon.

DrewM
03-14-2003, 05:12 PM
I think the drawing is far more insulting than me calling it stupid. Anybody who lives in the US and truly has that view of the US should simply pack their bags & go live someplace they feel more comfortable with.

I'm not a US citizen, I'm British, but have lived here for almost 9 years - I love this country, it is by far the best place on earth to live - many people who live here have absolutely no clue how priviliged and lucky they are, then they turn around & try to make out the US is some kind of monster.

BorgHunter
03-14-2003, 05:50 PM
It's Dubya that's the monster.

And I am tired of the "If you don't like then go somewhere else" B.S. I don't just give up on something if it's broken, I instead try to fix it.

DrewM
03-14-2003, 06:42 PM
It's Dubya that's the monster.

Agreed he's not perfect - but what is the basis for that view?

There is a difference between something that is broken & wanting to fix it & depicting that the US is a guy with a KKK hat on with an axe beheading innocent nations. Different all together

BorgHunter
03-14-2003, 06:47 PM
Isn't that what Bush is trying to do, though? Destroying countries he doesn't like or "might" have WMDs?

es347fan
03-14-2003, 07:13 PM
You've got a lot of gall referring to the current POTUS as a monster. I notice that you don't use that term for any other public figure. What's this...your definition of monster doesn't include saddam, or obl? Perhaps you're really wearing blinders that prevent you from seeing the real picture. You're tired of hearing "America--love it or leave it"? Deal with it. There's a whole lot of folks that will tell you exactly the same thing. Come out of your protected shell, and put yourself on the firing line. If you really believe you've got a better solution, then put yourself up for election.

DrewM
03-14-2003, 07:19 PM
Isn't that what Bush is trying to do, though? Destroying countries he doesn't like or "might" have WMDs?

This view is so incredibly simplistic. To answer the question - the answer is of course no. Do you really think any president would be destroying countries he doesn't like? Come on that is really ridicoulous. Tell me one country he has destroyed. Do you think Afghanistan is better now or when innocent women were shot in the head at half time during soccer matches, while their children were forced to watch?

You may or may not agree with the course of action - but his actions are being taken so you can sleep well at night in luxury not for some petty vendetta.

HaVoK
03-14-2003, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by BorgHunter
It's Dubya that's the monster.

And I am tired of the "If you don't like then go somewhere else" B.S. I don't just give up on something if it's broken, I instead try to fix it. Or maybe you simply realize that in any other society that referring to the leader of that country in a public forum as a "monster" would make for anxious moments every time there was a knock at the door?

Steves Mac
03-25-2003, 02:01 AM
whoa...i was just posting my hw so i can print it at school...didnt expect replies...

but yeah, rock on borg hunter

astrapol2
03-25-2003, 07:30 AM
Originally posted by HaVoK
Or maybe you simply realize that in any other society that referring to the leader of that country in a public forum as a "monster" would make for anxious moments every time there was a knock at the door?

In any other society ? Now the USA are the only democracy in the world ! LOL.
I have been demonstrating in the streets with signs against Chirac in many occasions and I still sleep pretty well.

And by the way, I never…
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NON

AAAAARGHH !

---------------------connexion terminated--------------------------

DaveTooner
03-25-2003, 09:41 AM
Yes, the United States is the bad guy and Iraq is just a nice peace loving country. What a joke you fools are! hahaha

HaVoK
03-25-2003, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by astrapol2
In any other society ? Now the USA are the only democracy in the world ! LOL.
I have been demonstrating in the streets with signs against Chirac in many occasions and I still sleep pretty well.

And by the way, I never…
(oh… wait a minute, there is someone at the door. It's the police, I wonder what they… &@jk hfùdb dqsj^èçèflw xbqs ds"'jksk:

NON

AAAAARGHH !

---------------------connexion terminated-------------------------- Excuse me for my poor choice of words. I should have said, "In a lot of other society's".......my mistake. But Astro, know i mean this: Whenever i refer to other society's, i always exclude France. Since everyone knows your country is full of nothing but blowhards. I find the quote at the end of all your posts rather fitting for a frenchman. As words are truly the only arsenal at your pitiful country's disposal.

astrapol2
03-26-2003, 11:24 AM
So your opinion on a country's value is based on its military power ? You must love North Korea.

HaVoK
03-26-2003, 12:11 PM
I have love only for the Stars and Stripes Astro......... But i understand if PRIDE in one's country is a foriegn concept to you.

Leper
03-26-2003, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by astrapol2
So your opinion on a country's value is based on its military power ? You must love North Korea.

Well, of course, astrapol! Everybody knows everything's value is based on its ability to destroy. Science, swans, farmers, and all the rest of that crap comes secondary to a good war machine.

es347fan
03-26-2003, 03:40 PM
Astrapol...that's about the dumbest statement I've ever read. Is that the best you can offer? You blew it.