A copy of the Duelfer Report.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/

Because liberals like to scream "No WMD!" in Tourette's fashion. We may have not been able to find Saddam's WMD "stockpiles"....but we found his production material. And the same basis to believe Saddam had no "stockpiles", points out that Saddam fully intended to resume production once the heat was off.

We never feared Saddam would fire SCUDS filled with Anthrax at the US, we feared Saddam would give WMDs or WMD production material to terrorist orginizations who would then use them against the US or our allies. This is outlined clearly in PUBLIC LAW 107–243—OCT. 16, 2002 were congress authorized OIF.

PUBLIC LAW 107–243—OCT. 16, 2002:
http://www.c-span.org/resources/pdf/hjres114.pdf

"NO NO NO! Sadddam had NO ties to Al Qeada!" all the sock puppets of the left will scream.

HERE is the pre-war intelligence.



Regarding questions of Iraqi links to al- Qa'ida, conservatives could draw from the following points for unclassified discussions:

* Our understanding of the relationship between Iraq and al- Qa'ida is evolving and is based on sources of varying reliability. Some of the information we have received comes from detainees, including some of high rank.

* We have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and al-Qa'ida going back a decade.

* Credible information indicates that Iraq and al-Qa'ida have discussed safe haven and reciprocal non-aggression.

* Since Operation Enduring Freedom, we have solid evidence of the presence in Iraq of al-Qa'ida members, including some that have been in Baghdad.

* We have credible reporting that al-Qa'ida leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire WMD capabilities. The reporting also stated that Iraq has provided training to al-Qa'ida members in the areas of poisons and gases and making conventional bombs.

* Iraq's increasing support to extremist Palestinians, coupled with growing indications of a relationship with al- Qa'ida, suggest that Baghdad's links to terrorists will increase, even absent US military action.

Sincerely,

[signed:] John McLaughlin (For)

George J. Tenet
Director of Central Intelligence


http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2002/10/dci100702.html

The post-war analysis of the pre-war intellegence conclusions surrounding Saddam's relationship with Al Qeada is HERE.

http://intelligence.senate.gov/conclusions.pdf

Conclusions 90-100 on page 26 show the pre-war analysis of Saddam's relationship with Al Qeada was spot friggin on!



"But but but Bush LIED! The 9/11 Commission said there is NO relationship between Iraq and Al Qeada!" The liberals will barf.

THISreport states nothing in the 9/11 Commision report contradicted the Bush administration's assertions regarding the relationship of Iraq and Al Qeada.

http://www.factcheck.org/article203.html




Saddam maintained a relationship with Al Qeada, and maintained WMD production material. So we justifiably kicked his ass. But none of this would be relevent if Saddam were like Ghandi. He wasnt, he was a brutal dictator who murdered millions. We've dug up 400,000 of his victims.

http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/legacyofterror.html


OVER 100,000, DOCUMENTED IRAQI CIVILIANS KILLED


The "100,000" figure is based on a Lancet report. Its bogus.

See HERE
http://www.techcentralstation.com/102904J.html

and HERE
http://www.techcentralstation.com/110104H.html

Instead of a copy of the entire Duelfer Report (its like 1400 pages), here is a copy of the Key Findings

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/Comp_Report_Key_Findings.pdf

Interesting effort. At least this is a well built and documented post, thanks for that.

But man - did you read the report before posting the links ? You're giving anti-war activists a nice gift.

First, the Duelfer report :

Unfortunatley for you the report acknowledges the fact that not a singke document about WMD reconstructiuon program was found !

• The former Regime had no formal written strategy or plan for the revival of WMD after sanctions. Neither was there an identifi able group of WMD policy makers or planners separate from Saddam.

Then, the senate report on prewar intelligence :

Conclusion 1
Most of the major key judgements in the Intelligence Community's october 2002 national intelligence Estimate, Iraq's continuing programs for WMD, either overstated or wre not supported by, the underlying intelligence reporting.
(…)
The major key judgements in the NIE, particularly that Iraq "is reconstituting its nuclear program", "has chemical and biological weapons", "was developing an unmanned aerial vehicle", "probably intended to deliver biological warfare agents", and that "all key aspects (…) of Iraq's offensive biological weapons are active and that most elements are larger and more advanced that they were before the Gult War", either overstated or were not supported by the underlying intelligence reporting ptovided to the Comittee"


And so on on hundreds pages !

I quote the last conclusions of this beautiful report



Conclusion 114
Public pronoucements by officials that the CIA had shared information on all high and moderate priority suspect sites with the United Nations inspectors were factually incorrect.

Conclusion 115
The rationale used by the CIA for deciding what information to share with the UN was inherently subjective, inconsistenlty applied, and not well documented.




So we learn, thanks to you Decka, that not only Iraq had no WMD, but that the supposed WMD programs were inexistant and that the CIA lied to the UN inspectors who were trying to do their job.

Thanks for reading my post astrapol.. and in case you didn't guess, i cut and pasted some of that. I agree that there was no "smoking gun" as far as WMD's, and i also agree that the united states wasn't "perfect" in their handling of the situation.... i just try to give a different viewpoint then the one that is painted by FT and 500....

We were told that Saddam had nuclear weapons by reference to the mushroom clouds over america statement and we were told that Saddam had vehicles with which he could deliver WMD's to our shores on a 45 minute notice.

Both of those statements were gross and intentional lies to allow the united states to kill innocent Iraquis and steal their oil

We were handed the biggest bunch of crap ever dished out by a white house. And america fell for it -- some people still believe it.

"....but we found his production material.

I have all of the ingredients for a chocolate cake in my cupboard but I don't have a chocolate cake.

Originally posted by Decka
Because liberals like to scream "No WMD!" in Tourette's fashion.

Originally posted by Astrapol
So we learn, thanks to you Decka, that not only Iraq had no WMD, but that the supposed WMD programs were inexistant and that the CIA lied to the UN inspectors who were trying to do their job.

Wow, I guess they have a reason to. Far be it from you righties to actually admit that.

Originally posted by She-devil
"....but we found his production material.

I have all of the ingredients for a chocolate cake in my cupboard but I don't have a chocolate cake.

you also have all the goods to be a prostitute but you are not a prostitute.

Originally posted by Travh20
you also have all the goods to be a prostitute but you are not a prostitute.

Trav, that was wholly unncessary and demeaning.

It's a quote Evak, one from a particularly amusing interview. I don't remember the details, but I know it was hilarious.

“We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.” --Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003

Flawed intelligence my ass they out and out lied.
Wow, I guess they have a reason to. Far be it from you righties to actually admit that. Hey at least Decka has moved on to just making fun of the people that were right instead of still claiming that Iraq has WMDs like he did a month ago.

Originally posted by Napsterbater
It's a quote Evak, one from a particularly amusing interview. I don't remember the details, but I know it was hilarious.
Yes, I remember it, it was...:)

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
We were told that Saddam had nuclear weapons by reference to the mushroom clouds over america statement and we were told that Saddam had vehicles with which he could deliver WMD's to our shores on a 45 minute notice.

Both of those statements were gross and intentional lies to allow the united states to kill innocent Iraquis and steal their oil

We were handed the biggest bunch of crap ever dished out by a white house. And America fell for it -- some people still believe it.

Yes, it's true.

Incredibly, some Americans do still believe it.

But only the most ignorant ones imaginable.

Virtually every one of them being of the dedicated Rightwing flagwaver variety.

Originally posted by 500lbguerilla
Flawed intelligence my ass they out and out lied.


What proof is this dogmatic belief based on?

Isn't this behavior similar to that of which you accuse religous fanatics?

Originally posted by Travh20
you also have all the goods to be a prostitute but you are not a prostitute.

You're right, I'm too much of a cheap date to be a prostitute.

Anyone who thinks ...........1800 lbs. of refined uranium ......as being ...."Not dangerous " ...is whacked.

Besides being dangerous as dirty particles ..........it is a precursor to a nuclear armament.


Slim

Originally posted by slim
Anyone who thinks ...........1800 lbs. of refined uranium ......as being ...."Not dangerous " ...is whacked.

Besides being dangerous as dirty particles ..........it is a precursor to a nuclear armament.


Slim

Yes, how many thousands of lbs does the U.S. have again??? Hand it over boys or we're coming to get it back!

I'll tell you ........the same things the Texians said to Santa Anna ...when he asked for the cannon at Goliad ..........Come and get it..........


Slim

Originally posted by slim
I'll tell you ........the same things the Texians said to Santa Anna ...when he asked for the cannon at Goliad ..........Come and get it..........


Slim

You'll need the nukes to keep me from getting it. Just like, Iraq would have needed nukes to keep the U.S. out. Gee, I wonder why Saddam may have wanted those nukes....probably not to attack but to defend.

And your point is .......You would prefer if Saddam had nukes ..OK ...I believe that. I understand that some of you folks wish Saddam was still in power.

But .......how about Iran ..........do you want them to have nukes too. Especially in the light that they do not want any inspections by world nuclear energy agencies .....??


Slim

slim

Your psychic abilities are truly amazing! Again and again you are able to know what others are thinking, most of the time before they even know it themselves! I am in awe, complete awe of your omniscience!

Wow .....now the spellchecker guy is Karnak ...........*L*.


Slim

Originally posted by slim
Wow .....now the spellchecker guy is Karnak ...........*L*.Drink much, slim? Karnak was the other guy.

Originally posted by slim
And your point is .......You would prefer if Saddam had nukes ..OK ...I believe that. I understand that some of you folks wish Saddam was still in power.

But .......how about Iran ..........do you want them to have nukes too. Especially in the light that they do not want any inspections by world nuclear energy agencies .....??


Slim

With America's track record, I find it equally disturbing, that Dubya is in charge of nuclear weapons. I don't wish Saddam was still in power but Iraq's leader is the business of Iraqis, not mine.

I'd prefer that nobody had nukes. The U.S. doesn't allow any weapons inspections either. If you want others to play by the rules, make sure you follow them yourselves.

You are confused ..........every countries nuclear power industry is regulated (except N. Korea and Iran)...........to insure that nuclear fuels are not refined into fissionable materials without being accounted for ............this is all I ask of for Iran. Both of the rogue countries refuse to be regulated.

You somehow can not come to grips with this.

Orrrrr ..........Are you saying that Iran already has nuclear armaments ........??

The nuclear energy industry is the most highly regulated industry in the world.

In the U.S.A. ..it is regularly inspected by world nuclear regulatory agencies .........and ......so should Iran's.


Slim