http://www.drudgereport.com/hdean.JPG

The DRUDGE REPORT has learned from a top GOP operative that the Republican National Committee will provide state parties with a web video prior to release tomorrow afternoon that shows a white flag waving over images of Democrat leaders making anti-war remarks.

The ad is in response to the controversial comments Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean and 2004 Democratic Presidential nominee John Kerry made earlier in the week.

A Democratic strategist who had the web ad described to her said, “This is way over the top but we have no one to blame but Dean, Kerry and others who continue to pander to the anti-war activists within our party.”

The web video advances the Republican contention that the Democrats only have a “retreat and defeat” message on the war in Iraq.

The video highlights the effect Democrats can have on the morale of U.S. soldiers.


Developing...

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm

http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25962




I guess EVERYONE Thinks kerry and Dean are idiots... and why blame them? We all know Kerry's terrorism stance:

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9404/kerrysterrorresponse5uq.jpg

Originally posted by Decka

The DRUDGE REPORT has learned from a top GOP operative that the Republican National Committee will provide state parties with a web video prior to release tomorrow afternoon that shows a white flag waving over images of Democrat leaders making anti-war remarks.

Any politician with an ounce of sanity or humanity remaining within themself could not be anything BUT against this war. I feel sorrry for you that you are blind to that.

""the total miscalculation of war and mismanagement of peace has resulted in the collapse of Middle East stability, making America and the world less safe, not more, where wet dreams of imperial domination, fused with delusions of grandeur have helped build a monolithic wall of bad karma that will take decades to tear down.

Iraq, like Vietnam before it, has served to remind us that, like the war on communism, the war on terror is but a charade, a fear engendering escapade, designed to control populations and empower the elite, unleashing fear onto the citizenry while delivering enormous profit to the military-industrial complex. ----Manuel Valenzuela

We can pull out of Iraq while we're still breathing.

Or we can stay and commit financial, ethical and societal suicide.

I think I already know what the ConservaFascist leadership will choose.

Originally posted by Freethinker
Any politician with an ounce of sanity or humanity remaining within themself could not be anything BUT against this war. I feel sorrry for you that you are blind to that.

I don't think that is an accurate statement.... not everyone has 100% faith with anything anti-bush like you do... actually many liberals are now agreeing we should stay in iraq until she can defend her self, like Joe Leiberman. It's not as cut and dry as you paint it... and i don't know why you would try to speak for all politicians.
Originally posted by Freethinker

We can pull out of Iraq while we're still breathing.

Or we can stay and commit financial, ethical and societal suicide.

I think I already know what the ConservaFascist leadership will choose.

I think this war IS perhaps "financial" suicide... eithical suicide would be leaving now and letting the unruly take over, hell they'd probably run over the fragile gov't the first day we were gone. What you DON'T hear about much is all the iraqi's who are thanking us for doing what we did.... what about them? What about the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS, even MILLIONS who are thanking us????

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/5062/gotyourback0iy.jpg

Decka, like many on allforums, doesn't realize he, being pro-war, is now part of the minority. Not just in the united states but around the world.

And as Freethinker pointed out, sentors and congressmen are scared shitle$$. They want no part of the war in the '06 elections.

Furthermore, watch them pull away from bush and his war more and more as the elections get closer.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Decka, like many on allforums, doesn't realize he, being pro-war, is now part of the minority. Not just in the united states but around the world.

And as Freethinker pointed out, sentors and congressmen are scared shitle$$. They want no part of the war in the '06 elections.

Furthermore, watch them pull away from bush and his war more and more as the elections get closer.

That doesn't seem to jibe..... with this.

Democrats Fear Backlash at Polls for Antiwar Remarks
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...0601707_pf.html


Maybe you could offer some thots.

if we are in the minority I demand we recieve special attention! Put whatever we say at the top of the news! Move over Sheehan and murtha!


Decka, that kerry pic with the white flag was hilarious.

Originally posted by waldo
That doesn't seem to jibe..... with this.

Democrats Fear Backlash at Polls for Antiwar Remarks
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...0601707_pf.html


Maybe you could offer some thots.

The Washington Post??? BWAhahahahahaha ... you're kidding of course?

Several senators and congressmen have already refused to be seen with Bush on the campaign trail. Take that FWIW.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Decka, like many on allforums, doesn't realize he, being pro-war, is now part of the minority. Not just in the united states but around the world.

And as Freethinker pointed out, sentors and congressmen are scared shitle$$. They want no part of the war in the '06 elections.

Furthermore, watch them pull away from bush and his war more and more as the elections get closer.

I guess that when the anti-war crowd was in the minority you shouldn't have posted what you felt. Decka might presently be in the minority but that doesn't mean he is wrong.

No one is denying that there were mistakes made in the prosecutiion of the aftermath of the war. The Baath Party should not have been disbanded since they were the best trained civil servants. The lower echelon military should have been kept in place to help police the country. A greater effort should have been made to include the Sunnis. That is all water under the bridge and rehashing coulda, woulda, shoulda does no good. We should be concerned with the present, not the past.

If we pull out our forces precipitously Iraq will either plunge into civil war or be taken over by a military dictatorship. No matter what the mistakes of the past we must now stay the course and insure that there is a strong enough democratic government in place to run the country.

The Democrats realize that because of the war, Katrina and a few other things George Bush is weak at present. His poll numbers are down and they smell blood in the water. They are playing politics with the war in their call for immediate withdrawal. Kerry's involvement in this is just one more reason I am happy that he was not elected president.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
The Washington Post??? BWAhahahahahaha ... you're kidding of course?

the next time some asshole left winger laughs at the sources of a conservative while continuing to post links to www.bushlied.org I AM GOING TO REACH THROUGH THIS SCREEN AND SMACK SOMEBODY

C'mon trav -- even you have to admit that the Wash PO along with some of the other so-called heavyweights -- NY Times, Wall St Journal et al -- have been exposed as no more than propoganda devices used to broadcast the White House lies used to get us in a war in Iraq so we could kill off thousands of muslims and steal their oil.

They have been caught red handed lying (Judith Miller comes to mind) which leaves them with no integrity.

Here's a bulletin for you just in case you aren't up to speed on the ins-n-outs of human nature ...

once a person (or entity) loses integrity, it's not easily restored -- in fact, it rarely is restored and that's the position these news organizations are now in ... they shilled for Bush by directly lying to the american public and it resulted in the deaths of 2200 of our loved ones.

No one gives a F what they have to say anymore.

Originally posted by Frogger
No matter what the mistakes of the past we must now stay the course and insure that there is a strong enough democratic government in place to run the country.


Just who is this we that you speak about? Yourself? Your kids? Your grandkids? Your loved ones?

My bet is your speaking of none of the above -- that you're a chickenhawk and you will be happy to see someone else send their loved ones over to do the killing and be killed to satisfy your blood-thirst.

Just my dumb 3 cents

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
C'mon trav -- even you have to admit that the Wash PO along with some of the other so-called heavyweights -- NY Times, Wall St Journal et al -- have been exposed as no more than propoganda devices used to broadcast the White House lies used to get us in a war in Iraq so we could kill off thousands of muslims and steal their oil.

They have been caught red handed lying (Judith Miller comes to mind) which leaves them with no integrity.

Here's a bulletin for you just in case you aren't up to speed on the ins-n-outs of human nature ...

once a person (or entity) loses integrity, it's not easily restored -- in fact, it rarely is restored and that's the position these news organizations are now in ... they shilled for Bush by directly lying to the american public and it resulted in the deaths of 2200 of our loved ones.

No one gives a F what they have to say anymore.

I agree I dont care what they say, but for other reasons then you. I cant imagine how anyone could possibly see them as Bush lackeys. I mean, how far left do you have to be to see the NYT as a mouthpiece for Bush?

Judith Miller, it is now known, was taking talking points from the white house, publishing an article based on those talking points and then, on a very timely basis, such as a sunday morning, a half dozen bush-bots would go on the talks shows and point to the judith miller article to substantiate their claims (whatever it may be at the time).

That's how it was working.

NYT, WashPo, WSJ and others will someday sit in the Hague and answer for war crimes -- their media power led us into a phoney war.

you are beyond hope dop.

Bush's mainstream media claim Iran building weapons. This is how they did it in the lead-up to the Iraq invasion. They pounded on it until america came to believe it and now we know it was all lies.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,178259,00.html

Same thing here ... they will say it over and over again until we invade Iran and then 3 years down the road they'll deny having any part in it.

Someday we'll see them all in the Hague.

someday we will see you in Atascadero Dop

you're referring to the zoo?

no, the mental hospital

Why send me half way across the state when there's a great mental hospital right in my neighborhood ...

Harbor-UCLA Medical Center in Torrance.

At least on my free time I'll be able to get to the beach.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Why send me half way across the state when there's a great mental hospital right in my neighborhood ...

Harbor-UCLA Medical Center in Torrance.

At least on my free time I'll be able to get to the beach.

Hard to get a tan in that straight jacket. ;)

Originally posted by Evakian
Hard to get a tan in that straight jacket. ;)

It's even harder to ride an overhead on a mini gun.

That's surfer talk. :D

I've been to one. Highly enriching experience that, lol.

Spent five days in that lovely facility because the Air Force got it in their heads that I was suicidal. Got to meet all kinds of interesting folk, and practiced my piano while I was at it.

Another guy in a another unit, friend of mine, they thought he was seriously depressed, what did they do? Bought him a TV for his dorm room! What the...

I used to hang out at a mental hospital napster because they had a great rec hall ... pool tables, ping pong, all that stuff and they used to let us neighborhood kids come in and use the place.

Lot's of interesting people to say the least.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Just who is this we that you speak about? Yourself? Your kids? Your grandkids? Your loved ones?

My bet is your speaking of none of the above -- that you're a chickenhawk and you will be happy to see someone else send their loved ones over to do the killing and be killed to satisfy your blood-thirst.

Just my dumb 3 cents

Well said.

Before the war started me and some of my family members went to demonstrate against it. There was a tiny pro-war demonstration composed entirely of suburban yuppies. I asked them what they'd do for the troops who come back without arms, but they wouldn't reply. Some people gave me shit for being against the troops, so I showed them my military I.D.

I've done activism to help VietNam veterans, many of which sleep on the streest at night. I even befriended some and regularly check on them. I rarely see the pro-war crowd doing that despite all their rhetoric about supporting the troops they sport on their SUVs and signs on their massive lawns.

Originally posted by Deepest Red
I even befriended some (veterans) and regularly check on them. I rarely see the pro-war crowd doing that despite all their rhetoric about supporting the troops they sport on their SUVs and the signs on their massive lawns.

I'd say that THAT simple set of circumstances --and its concomitant worldview-- sums up conservatism/versus/liberalism better than anything else you will ever find or experience.

This would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. The Democrats have been playing politics with the war in Iraq almost since its beginning. When they saw Bush's poll numbers go down they smelled blood in the water and stepped up their rhetoric. Now that the DNC chairman Howard Dean has put his foot in his mouth the Democrats suddenly don't want to see any politics involving the war. I guess that shows just how effective they think the White Flag campaign is.

SENATOR CALLS ON BUSH TO TAKE DOWN ATTACK AD
Sat Dec 10 2005 16:41:38 ET

Today, Senator Daniel Inouye, the Ranking Member of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee and a recipient of the Medal of Honor for his service in World War II, released the following statement:

"As a Veteran of World War II, I know what it’s like to fight a war and put your life on the line every day. I also know what it takes to win a war, and I know that politics and an attack machine like the President’s plays no part in it.

"The Republican Party’s latest ad is a shameful and disgusting attempt to distract the American people from the problems in Iraq. It may improve the President’s political fortunes, but the American people and our troops will pay the price. I hope that President Bush realizes how shameful it is to play politics when what we really need is leadership, and that he will direct his Party to take down this ad immediately."



link (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash9.htm)

Originally posted by Frogger
This would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. The Democrats have been playing politics with the war in Iraq almost since its beginning.

You have an excellent point.

Yes, the Dems HAVE been using the war as a political football.

[Not to say that the Republicans have not ALSO been using the war to gain political advantage. (I guess that's why i despise both Parties so) ]

For me though, the absolute bottom line, the truest words i've heard involving the entire conflagration are these---

""The Republican Party’s latest ad is an attempt to distract the American people from the problems in Iraq.""

The "war" is going badly. Very badly. And i have never seen such sheer, unalloyed desperation on a part of a politial Party to try to shift the blame and responsibility for that onto others as the Republicans have been doing as of late.

If it were going extremely well, I would bet you everything I own that Bush and Cheney and the other co-conspirators would NOT be going around and proclaiming at every opportuinty---""The Democrats are full partners who agreed with us to enter into this war!!""

I think the surrendercrats ....are a little timid about having this debate.

Otherwise ....why would they bring out their big guns ....like Inouye from hawaii .............to ask the president to take politics out of this battle in Iraq.

And ........from what I have heard .......Howard Dean has backed away from his earlier statements.

I feel bad for you soldiers of the socialista left ......*L*.




Slim

The only reason Republicans are running the ad is because they believe it is to their tactical advantage, that they can win a dirty fight. This is a political calculation that may or may not be correct. The Democrats can run their own ads showing clips of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld performing their dance of deceit. Then we can have the ugliest campaigns ever in '06 and '08. While the Republican effort may yield a short-term benefit for themselves, the long-term effect will be a further debasement of political discourse. Inouye seeks to avoid this consequence, no doubt in vain.

Why didn't Inouye say something before the campaign started then ........???


Slim

Maybe the RNC forgot to tell him.

Oh that is a great answer Karnak ("The Spellchecker")....*L*. Let me tell you why he didn't say anything about it until the White Flag Campaign started.

Cuzzzzzzzzz ...no Democrats have the balls to say that the entire strategy of the surrendercrat party ...is to demonize the president and make a political campaign about the war on terror .......and ..........specifically the battle going on in Iraq.

If he had the gaguzzzi's to say something about it .......until only after the surrendercrats got beat over the head with it ...........he might still have some integrity.


Slim

A Congressional Medal of Honor recipient has no balls.

Have another drink, slim.

He may need to get his congressional medal of honor out and polish it a little ....the crowd he is hanging with is definitely tarnishing it and him lately.

Surrender ......*L*.


Slim

You would think yourself worthy of being able to tell a Medal of Honor recipient who he can associate with.

I would think he would know better. I hate seeing him tarnish it.

I'd tell this to his face.

And ...if you think you are so full of bravado and ready to tell me I do not have the right to say it .........I will tell it to your face too .....and ..........in person dare you to keep me from saying it ..if you choose.


Slim

You do realize that most Medal of Honors are given posthumously, right?

Originally posted by slim
I would think he would know better. I hate seeing him tarnish it.

I'd tell this to his face.

And ...if you think you are so full of bravado and ready to tell me I do not have the right to say it .........I will tell it to your face too .....and ..........in person dare you to keep me from saying it ..if you choose.slim, you have every right to make an ass out of yourself. By all means, go to Washington and confront the senator. I will enjoy watching you on TV. I think everyone in America should hear what you have to say.

All it takes to turn it around for the dems is for them, as a whole, to say that Bush LIED ... so far, with a couple of exceptions, they have layed off the L word.

What about the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS, even MILLIONS who are thanking us???? Hate to rain on your parade Deck, buy vast majority or Iraqis consider us invaders and want us out immediately. The one guy who is really thanking us is OBL, who can't believe his luck: he is still alive, and has played Bush like the tool he is. OBL has now replaced the dangerous infidel Saddam with an occupying force that is hated even more. He has taken huge strides closer to his Holy Grail: a unified sectarian state stretching all the way from Saudi to Pakistan, controlling Mecca, the majority of the world's energy reserves and armed with nukes.

I think fluffernutt ....may need to read the new ABC News poll.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/PollVault/story?id=1389228


Slim

Originally posted by fluffernutter
Hate to rain on your parade Deck, buy vast majority or Iraqis consider us invaders and want us out immediately. The one guy who is really thanking us is OBL, who can't believe his luck: he is still alive, and has played Bush like the tool he is. OBL has now replaced the dangerous infidel Saddam with an occupying force that is hated even more. He has taken huge strides closer to his Holy Grail: a unified sectarian state stretching all the way from Saudi to Pakistan, controlling Mecca, the majority of the world's energy reserves and armed with nukes.

ya, he is just having a great old time lately I am sure. the fucking guy probably hasnt changed underwear in 3 months, now he is in charge of a great empire stretching from Saudi to Pakistan?

Originally posted by Napsterbater
You do realize that most Medal of Honors are given posthumously, right?

You don't really expect a chickenhawk to know that do you?

None of the rhetoric on this thread means squat ...

bush lied -- troops died

That's all you have to know.

yes, the easier the cliche the easier for the sheep to repeat it

Your Orwell sig does not intimidate anyone ...

Orwell also said this ...

All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.

Originally posted by Travh20
yes, the easier the cliche the easier for the sheep to repeat it

Absolutely.

"America is a godly nation!"

"My country right or wrong!"

"Saddam has WMDs!"

"They're jealous of us!"

"Gott Mitt Uns!"

I know the conservatives are good at doctoring pics but this one is the best so far.

http://www.slate.com/id/2132087

ROTFLMAO

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
I know the conservatives are good at doctoring pics but this one is the best so far.

http://www.slate.com/id/2132087


Compared to the rest of the atttrocities currently being commited by the uber-Conservative cabal in Washington, seeing what they did with that little piece of photographic propaganda is like finding out that Jeffery Daumer was discovered to have also been a jaywalker.

Originally posted by Freethinker
Absolutely.

"America is a godly nation!"

"My country right or wrong!"

"Saddam has WMDs!"

"They're jealous of us!"

"Gott Mitt Uns!"

"no blood for oil!"

"not in my name!"

Hey Hey, Ho Ho, George Bush has got to go!"

"what do we want? PEACE! When do we want it? NOW!!"

LMAO, it is almost to cliche and stupid to be funny anymore, but somehow I still get a chuckle out of it.

Originally posted by Napsterbater
You would think yourself worthy of being able to tell a Medal of Honor recipient who he can associate with.

Yeah, I do. Do you think the medal somehow makes him above criticism?

Of the type of criticism you and slim deign to malign him with, yes.

Having seen some of the monuments to recipients, I can say that ordinary folk like you and me just don't have the capability to understand what that man has been through.

Were your criticisms real and human instead of political, I might find some agreement with you. But you don't disrespect a Medal of Honor recipient like that. It makes you look uncouth.

Frogger

slim said Senator Inouye had no balls. Napster called him on it. I don't see why you are taking slim's side in this. What he said was reprehensible.

This is what a medal of honor winner looks like ...
http://images5.theimagehosting.com/johnb.jpg (http://www.theimagehosting.com)

Tell him he has no balls.

And if you're wearing one of these on your sleeve ...
http://images5.theimagehosting.com/chickenhawks_logo.gif (http://www.theimagehosting.com)

Stay on the porch cause it's obvious you can't run with the big dogs.

Originally posted by Freethinker
Absolutely.

"America is a godly nation!"

"My country right or wrong!"

"Saddam has WMDs!"

"They're jealous of us!"

"Gott Mitt Uns!"

funny, ive never heard of any of those cliches...

"America is a godly nation!"

"My country right or wrong!"

"Saddam has WMDs!"

"They're jealous of us!"




"no blood for oil!"

"not in my name!"

Hey Hey, Ho Ho, George Bush has got to go!"

"what do we want? PEACE! When do we want it? NOW!!"

There is a slight difference in the comparison.

Two of the first four truisms (in red) are intrinsic to the national consciousness of America, drilled into the brain of every citizen from the time they are old enough to recognize the spoken word. The last two are recurrent lies that the rightwing government repeatedly drilled into the minds of the entire populace, resulting in a despicable act of evil known as "the war on terror" that was in reality nothing more that a blatant grab for power and control over petroleum reserves instituted by the monied elites that rule the nation.

The second set of four cliches (in blue) have had about as much cumulative effect on the collective national mindset as a tree falling in a windswept wilderness where no human has set foot for a hundred years.

Well that was a thread killer for sure ...................


Slim

Originally posted by slim
Well that was a thread killer for sure ...................Slim


I know what you mean.

Giving the truth to conservatives is like pouring water on a fire.

Originally posted by Freethinker
I know what you mean.

Giving the truth to conservatives is like pouring water on a fire.

:o :o :o :o

***yawn***

giving the "truth" to liberals is like mixing oil and water....

Reading both of you guys' gross generalizations about liberals/conservatives is about as pleasant as having root canal with no anaesthetic.

You both seem pretty incapable of seeing the other side of any argument.

Originally posted by sedan
Frogger

slim said Senator Inouye had no balls. Napster called him on it. I don't see why you are taking slim's side in this. What he said was reprehensible.

I didn't take Slim's side, sedan. Napster's post was to the effect that we can't question Medal of Honor winners. My post said yes we could. The Medal of Honor does not mean the holder is above being questioned or disagreed with.

Frogger

Maybe I should have put it this way:Originally posted by Napsterbater
You would think yourself worthy of being able to tell a Medal of Honor recipient who he can associate with.
Originally posted by Frogger
Yeah, I do. Do you think the medal somehow makes him above criticism? Telling someone whom he can associate with is altogether a different thing than having the right to criticize that person. Sorry for the ambiguity.